you can just imagine the pride he hears in that as we leave you from the white house today, a look from outer space reminding us that it is a very big world out there. this is the planet looking back from saturn's very icy rings. ♪ ♪ heather: a busy week ahead for president trump and members of congress returning from recess. lots going on today, nice to be with you here, i'm heather childers filling in for julie banderas. kelly: and i'm kelly wright. shifting his focus to tax reform while also saying he's in no real rush to get a vote on health care next week, this even as republican lawmakers say they're closing in on a compromise amid all of this going on, the nation's capital

is also facing a looming government deadline. kristin fisher is live from the white house with more details. she has her eyes on that and more. so, chrisingen, what is the top priority? >> reporter: it has to be avoiding a government shutdown. that is the one deadline that can't be pushed back. everything else can. budget director mick mulvaney says he's confident that a deal can be reached but, remember, republicans' ability to come together on a spending bill has always been a little bit questionable especially since they were unable to come together on that first obamacare replacement plan. so now it appears that at the president's request they may try to deal with a new, amended replacement plan and the spending bill all at once, the same week that congress returns from easter recess. it appears there has been some progress on health care. sources say the leaders of the two house republican groups who clashed on the last bill have

reached an agreement on language of a new amendment, but to hold a vote on it by next week while also dealing with this spending bill is a big ask made even bigger by what president trump be announced just yesterday. >> we will be having a big announcement on wednesday having to do with tax reform. the process has begun long ago, but it really formally begins on wednesday. so go to it. >> reporter: as the -- as for what exactly this tax reform is going to look like, no defendtive answers yet. no doubt staff going to be working long hours to meet the deadline for wednesday. kelly. kelly: so the president moving ahead with a very big agenda for next week. what is he up to today? >> reporter: right now he's at the walter reed military hospital to award a purple heart to a soldier that was just injured in afghanistan. now, that soldier's name is

sergeant first class alvaro barri networks tos -- barrientos. a very big honor to have the president award him that very important medal in person. so right now president trump is right now meeting with other wounded service members before we believe the plan is to return back here to the white house. kelly? kelly: it's a very good day for the wounded warriors, especially that particular soldier. we thank him for his service, and we thank president donald trump for making sure that purple heart was pinned on him today. kristin fisher reporting from the white house, have a good day, thanks. heather: congratulations. such an honor. joining me now to talk more about this, chris deeton, the deputy online editor for "the weekly standard." first of all, thank you for joining us today. >> sure. heather: we've been talking about how it is going to be a very busy week ahead for the president. let's start with what kristin was just speaking about, and that is the tax reform. she said that the president has

said it will be a big day on wednesday. what do you expect to hear? >> a lot of principles, not necessarily the details like kristin was saying. we're getting into the nitty-gritty of trying to tackle a lot of things at once. this is not renaming post offices that we're talking about. tax reform, undoing obamacare, these are the types of things that could define an entire presidential administration. you're not just going to take care of it in one week. but on tax reform, i do expect to hear the president talk about rates. that seems to be most of the thrust of what he wants to do, lowering the corporate tax rate, lowering the tax rate on small businesses. when it comes to reform, dealing with deductions, certain tax breaks, the type of stuff that gets policy wonks all excited on capitol hill, i don't expect to hear quite as much about that because it doesn't seem to be the administration's top priorities, and that's going to to be interesting to keep an eye on as we move forward with the discussions. heather: what should be done first to bring democrats into the discussion and to bridge the gap, so to speak, between the republicans and democrats?

>> hard ask. who knows? the white house probably doesn't have the answer themselves. i'm sure kevin brady, the ways and means chairman who's going to be instrumental in this, doesn't have a great idea either. it's a toxic environment up on capitol hill, unfortunately, for legislating. i have to imagine that democrats are going to scoff at maybe some of the ambition with what we're seeing here. you hear things like 15, 20% tossed out with the corporate tax rate, that's a substantial cut. if the republicans want to reach the democrats, i think undoing some of those deductions, maybe doing some things where the tax code gets cleaned up and the wealthy have to pay more somehow, something like that would probably get the democrats to the table and at least willing to entertain some of the ideas. heather: so what about health care reform? where do you think that we honestly stand on that right now? >> completely up in the air. i had a piece in our magazine published just thursday, and i'm glad that i was able to get it in under the wire because it's

so fluid. the situation is changing by the minute. i do think that republicans internally have narrowed some of the gap, gaps that they have had on the policy aspect. it really hasn't been as much of a political tarnish to this. i think people talk about the house freedom caucus in the vein of them being rabble-rousers, sometimes being obstructionists, but there were serious policy disagreements on this. and i think with health care reform some of the things about pre-existing conditions, the way republicans want to address them on the conservative wing, those conditions seem to have been met in this latest amendment that kristin was just discussing. some of the moderates you're going to have to keep an eye on because they want to make sure those types of consumers aren't left out in the cold. they don't want bad press to hit them in their districts, so that's something to keep an eye on. heather: and what are some of the principles in the meadows amendment that you see as promising? >> i think the waiver idea is generally, that that's really the thrust of this and the way that republicans are trying to

deal with some -- i don't know if we want to call them fault lines or barricades that they would have to deal with in the senate just because of the way that chamber uses procedure rules. so the house has been trying to find a work around from that. what they're going to do, they're going to allow states under certain conditions to have the option of waiving some of these mandates in obamacare, and that's billion of interest to republicans -- that's been of interest to republicans. i think that's a promising development if they want to get this taken care of. heather: and just finally, a timeline on all of this. say i'm sick, say i need money. which is more important to happen to me first, health care reform or tax reform? >> probably health care reform, i would say, just because tax reform seems to be something that republicans have been discussing for a long time, and it's so much of a business-facing type of thing. when you're talking about health care, it's people. it's consumers. it's something that is really tangible, i think, especially in the way they're talking about it. not that individual tax rates

aren't important, but just the way two things are being sold, health care is more of a personal issue. and i think from the standpoint of people raising heck at town halls, you're going to hear more about health care than tax reform. i think that's priority number one. heather: yeah, they've been raising heck at a lot of those. thank you so much for joining us, chris. >> thank you, have a good one. heather:9 have a great weekend. >> thanks. kelly: fox news alert out of afghanistan right now. a deadly attack on one of that country's military bases. at least 100 afghan soldiers have been killed or wounded after gunmen wearing army uniforms stormed a base in the northern part of the country. david lee miller is live from our middle east bureau with more details on this. david lee? >> reporter: kelly, the taliban might have had inside help launching this attack at an afghan military base that killed in excess of 100 soldiers. according to one of the soldiers

who survived, he believes the attackers cuddle not have pulled this off -- could not have pulled this off without assistance. the army base in the northern part of the country was infiltrated by two suicide becomers and eight gunmen who, wearing army uniforms, entered the base in two military vehicles. the soldiers at the time were praying at a mosque when the attack began. the two attackers who were wearing those suicide vests detonated their devices inside the mosque. the other taliban gunmen died in a shootout with soldiers. people outside the base heard as the battle raged. >> translator: the fighting started in the second gate, and we all took cover when it started and the guards asked us to leave the area. there were five people, and we all came out. i heard sound of gunfire from the military base. i was in shock when the soldiers came out and took over all the area while the helicopters were flying over the base. >> reporter: the taliban said

the reason for this attack, the motive here was in retaliation for the killing of the taliban governor in another province. meanwhile, afghanistan's president flew to the location of this base. he prayed over the bodies of those who died. he called the attackers infidels, and he said that tomorrow, sunday, would be a day of national mourning in afghanistan. kelly? kelly: david lee miller from our middle east bureau with strong details about what's happening in afghanistan. david lee, thank you. heather: let's take you to france now. voters are about to head to the polls for the first round of the presidential election, and the race remains up for grabs amid tightening polls. but one wildcard that could have a big impact, the terror attack in paris earlier this week. greg talcott is live for us from paris with more. hi, -- >> elections that are being

called both important and predictable. being closely watched by the united states. they're going and choosing between 11 different candidates in this first round of french presidential elections. the two top vote getters will go to a runoff two weeks from now. now, neither of the leading candidates are from major parties. one is an independent moderate and marine la pen, she's a firebrand right-wing populist. people here concern about insecurity, and that was underscored by thursday's attack against police officers on the champs-élysees, one officer killed, two being treated. isis claiming responsibility, and it was revealed today that the gunman, karim cheurfi, was being monitored by authorities for months before the attack, considered a terrorist, but he still fell through the cracks. that is probably why they're beefing up even more security at the polling stations.

some 50,000 officers will be guarding them. they certainly want to avoid any repeat of the violence that was seen here on thursday. and while the campaigning is over, the last statements by the candidates also playing to concerns sparked by the attack, especially from the anti-immigrant candidate, marine la pen. she is calling for the sealing of borders here. she's also calling for the expulsion of terror suspects. so each despite this strong talk, almost one-third of the electorate is still undecided. take a listen to what we heard today. >> what do i think? >> no, about your presidential election. >> it's a mess. >> no matter who the president will be, 80 of the population wouldn't vote for this person. >> not very clear. we are afraid. >> reporter: the most

unfavorable result for the united states according to many analysts is if the french choose a president who wants to remove this country from nato and/or the european union. now, that is considered highly unlikely, but in this election season anything is possible. heather. heather: yeah. following the latest terror attack, that could impact things for sure. thank you so much, greg talcott, live for us. thank you. finish. kelly: a lot going on today, and we're covering it all right here on the fox news channel, "america's news headquarters." a massive rally going on in washington right now. why protesters are gathering on the national mall as well as cities across the world. heather: here in new york city today. plus, vice president mike pence taking perhaps a softer tone in the crisis with north korea. what he is saying about the rogue regime now after issuing a strong warning last week. ♪ ♪ >> the united states of america will always seek peace.

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♪ ♪ heather: time for a quick check of headlines for you. a family lawyer says recovery is just beginning for 15-year-old elizabeth thomas who police say was kidnapped by her teacher, that'd cummins. thomas was returned home to tennessee where she's being treated. cummins now faces federal and state charges. well, women's clothing retailer bebe is closing all of its stores after suffering a $13 million loss. this as the chain says it was exploring other options for its business. and a resupply ship bearing the late astronaut john glenn's name arriving at the international space station earlier today after launching on tuesday. the spacecraft delivering nearly 7700 pounds of food, experiments and other goods. >> the united states of america

is determined to work with our allies and especially with china to achieve the objective of a nuclear-free korean peninsula. we believe that that can occur peaceably, largely owing to the new engagement of china. kelly: vice president mike pence saying today compromise is on the table in dealing with north korea. this after earlier warning dictator kim jong un that his missile testing would be met with a swift military response from washington. let's bring in stuart holliday, former u.s. ambassador for special political affairs and ceo of meridian international center. sir, good to of you to join us d share some insights. how would you assess the situation right now? we all know that it's extremely especially the, but how would you assess it, and what can we

do to move forward to bring some stability to that region? >> well, i think president trump indicated that we're shifting from a policy of strategic patience which wasn't yielding any results not only with the north koreans, but with the chinese which is really the linchpin of the solution. and to a position of active pressure and engagement. so last week around the it's -- the test, we saw the pressure aspect. and i think they're looking to give china the opportunity to shift into a more active role in pressuring the north koreans. what's different now is because of the elevated rhetoric and the change in policies, the chinese are much more concerned about what could happen on the peninsula and what america might do. kelly: that is a very extreme concern for not just the chinese and the united states, but also the people of south korea. 25 million people could be affected by any provocation or any reaction by kim jong un and

north korea should the united states -- or, actually exercise a military operation there. >> that's right. and what's particularly dangerous is seoul is a short distance from the border with north korea. there are 10 million people there, and north korea can reach that city with conventional missiles and artillery. and it's a very dangerous situation which is why i think you saw vice president pence open the door again to the idea there can be some sort of negotiated diplomatic effort that would include some kind of guarantee of security and non-interference for the chinese and north korea, but require the north koreans to dismantle their nuclear program. kelly: i want to read something that senator lindsey graham of south carolina, republican, said this week, that he supported striking north korea to stop it from developing the capability to reach the united states with

a missile even if that came at a huge cost for the region. are we willing to step that far, or is that a bridge too far to cross at this particular time? >> i think it's a bridge too far. i understand what senator graham means because the stakes are very high. the number one obligation of the government is to protect the american people, and we will not tolerate an icbm. and i think that we're going to do everything that we can to stop that whether it's defense systems, cyber or this diplomatic effort. it could to that. but at this point the strategy should be to keep engaging with the chinese and to try to come up with a solution to the problem short of that, because it would be very, very difficult, number one, to identify where these sites are. we probably do know where they are but, again, to insure with certainty that we would have taken them all out. and, you know, that's a last resort for us. kelly: a last resort, indeed.

in the interim, you've mentioned china has to do its part. we've talked about china doing that. we know that the president of the united states has also met with the president of china, and it appears china is trying to do something. will they go far enough and will they dig deep enough to convince kim jong un that his penchant for developing a nuclear arsenal is the wrong way to go and it is not the right thing to do, and will they be able to stop that? >> well, it's hard to say whether what's far enough for us is far enough for them. but they see the possibility of missile systems being deployed in south korea, anti-missile systems that are a threat to them. they see, they see a potential nuclearized japan, they see a more aggressive, you know, u.s. presence containing the north koreans. they don't want that. so, again, i think what president trump has done is by elevating the stakes, he has actually -- and having a good meeting at mar-a-lago with the chinese --

kelly: exactly. >> -- he's made it more possible for them to engaging economically and, of course, directly with the north korean government. kelly: and, clearly, as we end this, the president is not afraid of carrying a big stick. >> that's correct. kelly: hopefully, he won't have to use it, but at least he's putting it out there. ambassador stuart holliday, thank you for your insight, sir. good day to you, have a good day. >> thanks. heather: maybe you live in one of these cities. big crowds all over marching including washington. 500 cities, exactly, across the world. why scientists are gathering to protest on earth day. and uc-berkeley under fire yet again for canceling an upcoming speech by ann coulter. >> these polite liberals who have pay-ins to free speech, no, they are enabling the fascist thugs showing up with weapons and wearing masks. it's quite shocking how the police are conspiring with the fascist thugs, how the earthly

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♪ ♪ heather: and welcome back. in honor of earth day, thousands of scientists all around the world are taking to the streets and marching to fight for science. they're pushing back against what they say are increasing attacks on science. james rosen is following one of those marches on the national mall in washington. hey, james. rainy day there. >> reporter: it is, but that's not dampening any of the enthusiasm of the tens of thousands of people who have showed up here, heather. and to say this is a slightly different crowd from your typical washington demonstration is a bit of an understatement as evidenced by some of the signage we've seen which have included sentimentses like nerds rule and keep calm and pursue questions empirically. again, not the typical sentiments that you see along

the lines of hey, ho, we won't go. but now the crowd is leaving the national mall, tens of thousands strong, and is beginning a march toward the capitol to. the stated aims of this entire rally -- and there are 500 of these in different cities from new york and chicago to london and geneva, as far as away as sydney and melbourne, australia -- the stated aim is to promote a greater respect for science throughout wen society. these folks feel as though science in the last few decades has come under assault. and in any case, they see this in the debates over climate change, over vaccines and in the trend toward less and less public funding for science programs in schools and in colleges. so it's going without incident, we should point out it's a very respectful crowd. there is a heavy police presence here on constitution avenue along the national mall. and we have seen some very clever signs, by the way. one mentioned bill nye the

science guy who was one of our speakers here today, and it said without science, bill nye is just another guy. [laughter] >> science must shape policy. science is universal. science brings out the best in us. with an informed, optimistic view of the future together, we can, dare i say it, save the world! [cheers and applause] >> reporter: now, the organizers of this event were quoted as telling the associated press it's not aimed at president trump directly or his administration. still, the antipath think for donald trump was hard to miss. it rained down from the official speakers at the podium to all of the signs that we're seeing. this is really not his crowd, so to speak. the president did release a statement today saying that economic growth is good for the environment. back to you guys. heather: there was almost an incident here in new york city

because i was almost late for work trying to get through them. kelly: actually, that makes two of us. [laughter] heather: thanks, james, appreciate it. >> reporter: you bet. kelly: all right. so from science to free speech. uc-berkeley is under fire from conservatives again. ann coulter, the well known conservative commentator and author, was booked to speak on campus, but the school rescheduled and relocated the event to a time and place that would attract fewer students. the school argues it's for safety reasons, but the event sponsors call it a violation of free speech and threaten legal action. joining me now is morgan orr teg gas, she's a national co-chair of maverick pac who formerly worked in both the treasury and state departments, and pablo enriquez, a former dnc staffer and co-founder of k street media. thank you for joining us. morgan, what do you make of all this uproar over ann coulter?

i mean, she's so fun and friendly. [laughter] >> well, i think that there's two different issues here. so there's the legal side, whether the college republicans will take berkeley to court and whether they actually have standing in court which we probably don't have time to debate on your show, and then there's the obligation of what's the ethical obligation to provide ann coulter a platform on their campus. i think the problem of what you see going around the nation is often these public safety concerns are cited whenever conservative speakers are rescheduled or maybe taken off site as in the case with berkeley. the problem in doing that is berkeley is, essentially, victim-blaming when they do that. instead of going after the people who are throwing fireworks into the crowd or who are violent protesters, they're actually, they're actually punishing the people who are there to hear a different voice, hear a conservative voice. so i find it to be victim-blaming, actually. kelly: okay.

let me get pablo in here, because i saw his reaction when i said ann was nice and friendly, and she is, actually. her persona, of course, publicly is one of conservative, firebrand, and the bottom line here though is even bill maher supports her speaking and doesn't get it why liberals are against her or speaking at uc-berkeley which is the bastion, if you will, of free 1350e67. or thiess it was. >> i mean, i'm going to have to agree to some degree -- kelly: hold on, there's agreement here. [laughter] i love it when great minds can come together. >> it's hard to disagree with me. just ask my husband. >> i don't think ann coulter's actually conservative. i remember there was a time in this country when conservatives had compassion, they welcomed a stranger. i remember -- i was a child, granted, at the time, but the way i felt as an immigrant during the reagan presidency when we were welcomed. ann coulter isn't a conservative, she's a hate monger. but i do think that berkeley does have an obligation to have a fair and balanced discourse on

their campus. berkeley has always been a bastion of free speech. it wasn't so long ago that they had a student who went to class every day butt naked, so i think they can certainly accommodate ann coulter. i don't think it's going to be the end of the republic. but i really think a lot of conservatives i know anyway are humiliated by her every time she opens her mouth because the things that she says are borderline hate speech. they're very rarely constructive. she basically is somebody who just books herself as much as she can so that she can sell books, and there's definitely a profit motive there to be had. let's not say she's typical of the conservative movement in this country that i think is a lot better than ann coulter. kelly: okay, so pablo's talking about compassionate conservativism there, but morgan, your response to what he's saying about this. and i guess before you give that response, i guess the question that comes to mind with me is if you don't like what she's going to speak about, don't go. >> and especially don't be

violent when you're going to protest. listen, i don't know ann coulter personally, but from what i know of her public persona, she doesn't seem to shrink away from a fight or an argument. so if the university wants to have a free debate, why not bring her on with someone, a liberal counterpart and let the two of them go at it and let people have a free debate. again, the problem here is not ann coulter, and i don't think it's right to disparage her today. but the problem should not be -- what we should not focus on today is whether ann coulter should speak or not. the issue is why is the university instead of punishing violent offenders, people who can't behave like grown adults, why is the university accommodating those people instead of protecting people who want to peacefully listen to an alternative opinion? for me, that's the bottom line. >> the university certainly needs to honor its booking of ann coulter, i would say that much. and i agree that having a liberal counterpart on stage would be excellent. i remember a debate that ann

coulter had with jorge ramos from univision later on which would be appropriate where ann told jorge that because, you know, that because her relatives, her ancestors were european, they didn't count as immigrants. now, she's an absurdist, and i don't think it's fair to say she doesn't shy away from a fight. she doesn't shy away from a book sale, but she is a hateful old lady, and i think we need to be careful in how we book people like this. kelly: ooh, pablo. let's not disparage the individual, let's just stay on point here and keep it fair game here -- >> i would say that -- kelly: i grew up an immigrant in this country, and like i said before, i remember the days of when the shock jocks came up, and ann coulter was certainly part of that generation. that she somehow piggybacks on the conservative brand in this country -- >> but we're still getting away from the central issue here. kelly: let's not bring in personal name throwing since we're talking about the issue of

public speech here and the right to free speech which i'm allowing you to do because you can say anything you want to say on air here, but i just want to keep it, let's keep it highbrow. >> certainly. i'm just trying to keep it fair and balanced because -- >> but this isn't -- kelly: that doesn't mean disparaging someone. again, if we could continue with the -- ann coulter's entitled to her opinion and anything that she wants to say, that's the bottom line. just like you are. don't come on and just disparage her when she isn't here to defend herself. that's not cool, let's keep on playing the fair and balanced role -- >> fair. kelly: -- which is to talk about free speech and, again, are the students at berkeley being wimpy when they're protesting against her coming on because, like i said, they don't have to go. >> i don't think they're being wimpy, but they're certainly being inappropriate if they're throwing fireworks and making violence happen as a result of her speaking. her speaking isn't the end of the world. they've accommodated a lot more shocking things than ann coulter

at berkeley. >> this is not just happening at berkeley. you're seeing this around publicly-funded institutions around the world where conservatives feel intimidated. kelly: so we need to find some common ground, accept each other and agree to disagree. morgan and pablo, much love for both of you. [laughter] >> thank you, kindly. kelly: god bless. all right, heather. heather: there's a difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants which is what ann coulter talks about often. well, fire forcing residents from their homes in florida, and investigators don't believe the blaze was an accident. plus, president trump taking a different tone on health care, no longer pushing for a deal within the next few days. but first, kellyanne conway. >> the president is in touch with members of congress and the chairmen of the committees, obviously, the speaker, and people are working toward repealing and replacing obamacare because we want to make sure these premiums don't skyrocket and that people get the affordable, sustainable care

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know where you stand instantly. visit quickbooks-dot-com. kelly: welcome back. a massive brush fire burning in florida may be the work of an arsonist. the fire forcing out residents in polk county about 65 miles south of orlando. authorities there issuing a mandatory evacuation order, extremely dry conditions helping to fuel the tour -- the fire which investigators are calling suspicious. so far the fire has burned at least 600 acres. heather: president trump's tempering expectations, you could say, on health care reform. this after the white house had pushed for republican lawmakers to get a proposal to the president next week. but now it seems he may be willing to the wait. >> speak to you briefly about all the legislative action that you're planning next week, how are you going to accomplish all that? >> it's going to be great. it'll happen.

>> you're going to do health care and tax reform? >> we'll see what happens. no particular rush, but we'll see what happens. but health care's coming along well. the government is coming along really well. a lot of good things are happening. thank you, folks. >> and you're going to get a health care bill next week? >> doesn't matter if it's next week. next week doesn't matter. heather: joining me now is pennsylvania congressman mike kelly, a member of the house way asks and means committee, to talk -- ways and means committee. thank you for joining us on this saturday, first of all. >> thank you for having me here. heather: so you heard the president speaking. saying it doesn't matter next week, it may happen, it may not happen. is that true, and if it is true that it doesn't matter, why? >> well, i think you have to go back in history, of course, with president obama it took almost 14 months to get the health care package put together. and i think if nothing else we did learn if you do it too quickly and pass it and then find out what was in it, that's not the way to go about this. we've had a lot of discussion.

our speaker has worked very hard to the make sure he brings all sides together to hear their concerns. there's 435 of us, and we all come from different districts with different needs, and i think you have to observe those things. and you know what? you want to hear from the people. you want to hear from the people's house and their representatives as who what we can do that's in their best interest, not a hurry up and get it done. i don't want to hurry up and get it done. if there's one thing we learned, pushing something through and saying we're going to have to pass it before we know what's in it, that was a disaster. you look at the game films, you say, you know what? we're not going to do it that way. i think top-down types of addressing things aren't well, i like it from the bottom-up where the people's voice is heard. that's what we're doing right now. heather: so more important to get it done correctly than quickly. >> absolutely. heather: how do you bring all of those sides together? you were just mentioning people from different areas of the country with different needs, different communities. so how do you make everybody happy? >> i think you're never going to

make everybody completely happy, and i know at this point in life you start off with a common goal. how you get to the end goal is a little bit different because people have different opinions, as i said. 435 people in congress right now that represent very distinct districts. and so you want to hear from them as to what most affects the people that sent you here to represent them. i think if you lose sight of that, you've lost sight of the concept of self-government. i've never been more happy than where i am right now, and to have a leader rather than a lecturer actually in the white house, it makes it a lot easier to get to the end. heather: money isn't coming out of people's own pockets is the goal at the rate that it has been. >> yeah. but i think the other thing now, we're addressing the cost of insurance, but we're not addressing what's costing insurance to be so high and that is the actual cost of health care and where we've come.

and i know in my lifetime when people say they're going to get a new knee, a new hip, a new heart, you at no time hear that a couple decades ago -- you didn't hear that a couple decades ago. the cost of health care has skyrocketed. this is a lot of things that enter into that, and i think taking a long, broad look at that and then determining when we actually get down to the cost of insurance, those are factors that have to be factored in. and then the other part of it is there are some people, the truly vulnerable, who cannot afford health care. that's why we have medicaid. we have very large populations of people who draw down on medicaid, and you have to keep that in consideration. there's not a one size fits all, but there's the effort to hear from everybody and make it a relevant piece of legislation, that's the key, and that's something that promotes an economic growth and doesn't hinder it. heather: as you know, we have to get past the talking point because we also have tax reform and budget issues to deal with. >> absolutely. heather: just quickly, this amendment that we've been

talking about, the most recent issue happening, is the amendment, the meadows-mcarthur amendment. do you think that will be enough to get everything passed? >> yeah, you know, in addition to mark talking with tom, i think there was also dave swiek earth got together with gary palmer. that high risk pool, that extra piece that maybe is the reinsurance piece was critical also. the other thing, the essential health benefits. heather, there was so much that went into it. number one on my priority list is getting back to congress and making sure there's not a government shutdown. that's looming in front of us right now. that's the biggest gorilla in the room that we have to address. health care we're going to get to, we're going to do it in a sensible, reasonable way that makes sense for the people we represent and the people that we serve. that's the only way to get it fixed. heather: okay. thank you so much for joining us, and we hope everything that you said bears out to be true. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate it. thanks for having me on. kelly: still more to discuss. a war of words over sanctuary cities. attorney general jeff sessions

talking tough and those cities answering back. the latest in this standoff, that's next. ugh! heartburn!

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kelly: some lawmakers in california fighting back against threats by the white house to cut federal funding to so-called sanctuary cities.

anita vogel is live from los angeles with more details. good to see you. >> hi, kelly, good to see you. the big question here, are california lawmakers willing to risk millions of dollars in federal aid to protect illegal immigrants. that's really the big question. a war of words on the border yesterday in san diego when attorney general jeff sessions and homeland security chief john kelly came to check out some of the detention facilities for illegals who are caught. sessions announced plans to fight back against sanctuary cities by threatening to cut millions of dollars in federal aid. >> today the department of justice sent letters to nine jurisdictions that were identified by the obama administration as having policies that potentially violates federal law and which receive millions of dollars in federal grants. these jurisdictions have until june 30th to send their legal justifications for why they are not in violation of federal law,

and the state of california is one of these jurisdictions. >> reporter: those comments were hardly well received by many in the california legislature, most of whom back sanctuary cities. one senate leader essentially called the trump administration racist, saying, quote: it has become abundantly clear that attorney general sessions and the trump administration are basing their law enforcement policies on principles of white supremacy, not american values. he went on to pledge that their policies will be challenged at every level. in response, sessions called those remarks despicable and at least one member of the california assembly, a republican from yuba city by sacramento, called what delee leon said ridiculous. new orleans, miami, las vegas,

new york and cook county, illinois. back to you. kelly: anita, thank you. heather: coming up, president trump talking big tax cuts as he closes in on his 100th day in office. will congress help him get it done? [laughter]

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