media. i know this camera, this show, my radio show, is only because of you. i will never forget it. also, it's time we stop@marth m callum. >> tucker: good evening, for those of you tuning in thinking you'll see someone different. i watched bill o'reilly for years, and i more velled how well prepared he was and how he expressed his views. what o'reilly did was not easy. he set a high bar and i'll do my best to meet it. thanks for sticking with us. >> tucker: and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." in a little while, mike rowe will be here to discuss the president's jobs plan for america. buy americans. did you know caitlyn jenner voted for donald trump. indeed, that's true. we'll ask jenner about that

decision, which in malibu, is very brave. first, we're almost at the 100 day job, the election results hacked, and it didn't seem to have much effect on trump, however. a new poll by abc news and the "washington post" finds that if the election were held again today, president trump would beat hillary clinton again, but this time, by three points. that would be reversing the popular vote defeat in december. the press tried to ignore it, but is it time for the democrats to approach a different approach. we've thought a lot about this, a democratic strategist, advisor to hillary's ill-fated campaign. richard, great to see you. >> my hat is off to you for this new time slot and well deserved. >> tucker: thank you. i'll do my best. all the attention has been ots poll numbers being low by his tore scal standards, and they

are. what has been missed, hillary clinton's. he has improved relative to hillary clinton since the election five months ago. what could possibly account for that? >> again, the fact of the matter is this poll is a disaster. his record high disapproval, record low for honesty, record low for a sense of whether he accomplished anything, and the public rightfully puts the blame on trump, 47% to democrats, 7%. so look, the fact of the matter is, as you know -- >> tucker: hold on. i started by saying that his numbers are lower than previous presidents but still higher than hillary's. that's a two party system. this doesn't happen in a vacuum. two choices. people are choosing the republicans. this is five months of warfare, and it is not working. is it time to re-think what you're doing. >> hillary clinton will not run for president again. i don't think that's a spoiler

alert. but the democrats who are running, in georgia and kansas, they've flipped defeats and house races last november by 20 to 30% to coming within 6 or 7 in kansas, and maybe even win anything georgia. >> tucker: can i say, but neither of them have won. >> one of them -- j >> tucker: i didn't want to go there, but the democratic lost in kansas. >> we're giving is trend trophies. if you look in the ruby red states, and you went from being down 30 to down 7, that shows progress. especially in an off year election, where democrats don't turn out in big numbers typically. >> tucker: given the president's poll numbers, you expect a series of victories, and haven't seen them. the core question, is the strategy of defining trump as a puppet of the kremlin and his voters as racist, is that bearing fruit for you? is that working out for you? >> first of all, put the racist

thing aside. >> tucker: that's hard do that, since your candidate called them racist. >> we'll find out when the russian investigation is over, whether or not he engaged in behavior or it was just his campaign staff. because what the fbi director has said is that's what is under investigation. >> tucker: you're still going with that treason behavior? >> we know that. i didn't want to go here. i like you and i didn't think you really believed that. it is hard to tell whether it is a talking point or whether it is -- >> oh, no. >> tucker: here, you have a president who has moved the united states into real conflict with russia by bombing syria, and the russians themselves are saying we've never been closer to war in the past 20 years. that's what collusion looks like? >> i will say that the fact that we are -- we could talk about the risk of nuclear war, whether it is russia korea is a huge demerit. >> tucker: you're arguing he is a pawn of the kremlin and bad

for being too mean. >> i'm saying the russians didn't know what they were bargaining for at the time. what they were bargaining for is the podesta e-mails dropped an hour after the access hollywood tapes. the russians are smart. they're not that smart. they were colluding with people who knew enough to say is the time. >> tucker: i'm having a hard time following this. you're basically arguing that trump is an agent of russia, but slow down, but now he is a double agent, working against russia. i don't want msnbc. is that what you're arguing? >> i'm saying at the time, when he was saying all these smoochy things, he thought he would get somebody in their corner. they have somebody rather unpredictable, scaring other world leaders to death. >> tucker: your theory is silly. that's only fair. he can't be both a pawn of russia and an pone nents oppone russia.

let's be totally honest. democratic party, working people no, longer does, hostile, openly hostile and that's not working. you are losing elections you should win. is anybody in the party looking at that saying we have to fix this? who are these people fixing about it? >> tucker: donald trump has not expand the his basins getting 46% of the vote. remember, the people who vote against him got 54%. barely enough by .3, .7, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. are you going to predicate a reelection strategy again that you're going to have -- >> tucker: you're missing it. no matter how weak the president may be, no matter how weak he was as a candidate, you could argue he made some real missteps. he still won the presidency. now you can try to pretend it isn't real, but it is real constitutionally. >> absolutely. >> tucker: so you can still, you can be a weak candidate and win,

if you're running against someone weaker, and so i'm just looking for some glimmer that democratic talking points aren't aimed at tom stier. what is the pitch to voters? >> the evidence that voters are actually responding to whatever the democratic message is was the women's march the day after the inauguration, even this march this past weekend, around the country, right, the fact that these town hall meetings, people are showing energy. >> tucker: i'm not attacking it. i saw my neighbors win. but if you could narrow it down to one policy point, the march on washington was for the civil rights bill, i get it. i'm not attacking it, but i'm a little confused how it articulates the democratic vision. >> donald trump demeaned women. putting access hollywood aside. this was an affirmation saying we're not going away. you have to deal with us. you may not believe that, but that's what it is about. >> tucker: you can deal with this fact.

donald trump won the majority of white women. are they stoopeupid? how do you k account for that behavior. >> the comey letter -- >> tucker: he is working for the russians? >> he ultimately was in sync with them. i don't think he was working with them. >> tucker: in sync with them? >> no, no, no, the russians did what they did, wikileaks, which trump, you know, the other day, when he said maybe they should be investigated, and now, the comey letter, absolutely -- >> tucker: they're working in concert? >> no, no, no. in parallel. in parallel. the comey letter unquestion abye killed it. >> tucker: a big group voted against hillary clinton. my question is why. until you know why, you can't progress. is it because they're bad people? it seems to be the democratic

message. we don't want you if you're morally impaired. >> i think the fact of the matter is, hillary clinton campaign and hillary herself didn't put a good message, and whether it was e-mails or everything else, the incoming they didn't deal with it, the 52% of white women said we're not happy about either, we're going take a chance on trump. >> tucker: this is the last question, and it is sincere. i think the democratic party needs to win people it didn't win, obviously. a lot of them are in the middle of the country, more traditional, maybe liberal in economics, but not super liberal on the social issues. tom perez just announced today that people who oppose rowe v wade are not welcome in the democratic party. why would he say that? >> i can't explain it. the fact of the matter, is you've got people like bob casey who simply don't subscribe to that. i don't think anybody is looking to do anything other than to

glorify bob casey for having -- for being pro-life. >> tucker: they just attacked him. >> for being a smart, lifelong democratic. >> tucker: maybe if your whole party is dependant on money from the abortion people, you have to sing their tune. >> even nancy pelosi said the democratic party welcomes people who happen to be pro-life. it is not where she comes out, but she is saying, we want them. >> tucker: no, that's not what she said. she did not say people who disagree with the roe versus wade, which is still controversial for good reason. i think it was wrongly decided and be a democratic, that's ha your party is saying. >> the fact of the matter, they're not showing bob casey and others like him the door. the challenge will be -- they do. >> tucker: by attacking him. it is clever. >> well, be that as it may, they will a he show when he runs for reelection. >> tucker: richard, thank you

for coming. you're a great man. >> thanks for having me. tensions of north korea were high, but in the past three days, they got even higher. the kim jong do-un detained anor citizen. president trump is demanding sanctions. one false move by either party could trigger a full-blown nuclear war. one man who thought about this is michael malice, an expert on the secretive rej ggime. thank you for coming in. this seems to be accelerating. >> notice when trump struck syria, no one saw it coming. here is all these warnings, the administration is talking, you have the senators being called to the white house, he is making

a spectacle, so it seems like public show and he has something up his sleeve. >> tucker: so everybody in this, in this situation, seems to be relying on the chinese. >> correct. >> tucker: i wonder if the chinese are really even our transactional allies. suddenly it is not a rhetorical question. >> north korea will always be china's problem. the border between the two is the most militarized border on earth. if you ask me, what i bet they're doing is some kind of good cop/bad cop situation, where trump is acting like i'm going in and china, who has diplomatic relations, work with us, let's go to a soft landing and this will stave off the american attack. >> tucker: so do the north ko a

koreans expect a war. >> according to their literature, we've been eyeing korea since the 1860s, they burned pyongyang and according to them, we launched the korean war and we've been biding our time since then to finish the job. according to north korea, south korea isn't a country, it is a region under u.s. occupation, why in their literature, they're lower case n and lower case s. >> tucker: so sanctions are the new idea coming from washington, will sanctions have an effect? >> yes, it will, and people won't have food and they will blame us for not allowing food to reach the country. that happened before, that look, we can't feed you, because the u.s. imperialists are keeping the food from reaching your mouths, but and the next thing that happens, first they'll take your food, and then they'll take your lives. that's how they're taught.

>> tucker: do you think you want to say it live on tv, do you think the united states has the capability of disable a north korea rocket? >> i think we do have the capabilities stabling a rocket, however, those are dangerous dice to roll. seoul has 10 million people south of the border, the visuals of this are absolutely crazy. the north koreans will be able to display these visuals to their own population. get ready for a state of war and who knows what would happen then. they have practiced for this since they're kids. >> tucker: how fast could this happen? >> how did you go bankrupt, this sort of thing happens overnight. how fast did syria happen? i mean, in one sense quick, but in the other sense, it is long overdue. >> tucker: do you think there would be warning? do you think there would be a moment where deescalation is possible, or potentially get out of control.

>> according to one theory, the failed rocket launch was a deescalation, so they could back down without backing down. i don't know if that's true, but they are masters and boast about it in their literature saying we're going to yell at you, but at the same time, give you a back door to stay safe. this is something they talk about frequently. >> tucker: every bit as scarey as it looks. michael, thank you for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: up next, nordstrom's, selling jeans for $400, so you can look rugged without going outside. mike rowe will explain why we're so hostile to breaking a sweat in this country. caitlyn jenner will join us to talk about her new memoire. to talk about her new memoire. stay tuned.ray's always been di. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques.

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>> tucker: president trump ran as a champion of working class americans and got their votes, and now trying to keep their support as president he signed a two-part buy american hire americans for the u.s. government to purchase american made goods and clamps down on companies that want to replace american workers with imported foreign labor. the order is popular, a new poll by abc and the "washington post" found 73% of adults support these efforts. mike rowe is the former host of dirty jobs, and advocate for blue collar jobs. thanks for coming on. >> 7:00, 9:00, 8:00, whatever works for you, man. >> tucker: you were on the first one we ever did, of course. >> i'll be with you at 3:00 in the morning if it comes to it. >> tucker: come to me with boca and we can have an umbrella drink. are you surprised that this is basically the most popular thing the president has done?

>> no, i'm not surprised, but i'm nervous. >> tucker: why? >> two reasons. first of all, i'm not sure i understand it, to be honest. i'm not a lawyer. it is an executive order, and full of a lot of fine print. and i -- secondly, and more importantly, it feels like it might be a shortcut, and as my pop used to say, shortcuts lead to long delays. i don't know if it is or isn't. if the executive order makes things more fair, does something to clamp down on currency manipulation and a whole lot of other things that i don't understand, i feel has happened that has disadvantaged our country i'm all for it. but if it is one of these things that will ultimately bring about unintended consequences, i get nervous. look, i'm nervous about the minimum wage, because i think when we raise it to hurry up to

get to an end points, it is like that whack a mole game. i want an environment where the companies that are most responsible for hiring are dramatically encouraged by the market to keep the business here, and if we get ahead of ourselves and make it by fiat or a mandate, i think that mole will pop up out of another hole. >> tucker: if you could write the executive order, if you could do one thing to bring back american jobs, where would you start? >> well, i think, again, from a business standpoint, i would write something that made it crystal clear that my best upside for profit is to stay here. >> tucker: yes. >> i don't know exactly what that would be, but just try to set the table differently than jump ahead and say, look, here

is how i want the story to end, so let's just write this down and make it end that way. i just don't think we can do that. but look, i mean, i might also suggest that the country take a little more inward look at itself and try to figure out why it is -- look, once upon a time in another life, i had a deal with a blue jean company, you know, and part of what i wanted to do was give the consumer a really clear choice between jeans that were made in america and jeans that were made overseas. they were identical. these jeans. i mean, i could show you the research if you're into the it, but it was remarkable how the price difference was everything. until those two jeans, the american made and the overseas, the identical same price, it was absolutely no push, no incentive for the consumer to buy american. so it is not just the worker, and it is not just the boss, it is us.

>> tucker: that's totally right. though, people were pay an awful lot for a pair of jeans. nordstrom's is charging $425 with mud attached. you've written that this is an insult to work or parts of the war on work. what do you mean by that? >> the last time i was on your show, we talked about the monday p p -- mon and you said look, keep an eye peeled for other examples of this sort of social war on work. this morning, i woke up and on my facebook wall, somebody was like mike, what do you have to say about this. the truth is, there is not too much to say. we finally got to the point, we're not only, not only will people pay $425 for a pair of jeans, but they'll pay for poly

euthrane fake jeans. my beef with nordstrom's isn't that they don't value icons of work. they clearly do. my beef is they don't value authenticity. once again, as a country, what do we -- what the hell are we doing? we're distressed jeans are one thing, but these look like you crawled through a sueewer, thiss what they look like, $425. i could sell you the same ones for $15 and still make a profit. >> tucker: if you were making the federal minimum wage of $7.25, you have to work for two and a half weeks before taxes to buy one pair of the working man jeans. >> in order to look leak a working man, right. listen, man, this is a world completely defined right now by fake everything, right. fake news, we don't trust anything that we hear, and part of the problem is because they're screwing with monopoly

and skk asking us to buy a pair of pants like these. what are we doing? >> tucker: with synthetic chinese mud attached. thank you, mike. >> thank you. see you at 3:00 a.m. tonight's reality check. the kingdom of saudi arabia has been elected on the united commission for wait it, the status of women. not the u.n. commission on sand or legal systems, but the status of women that exists for gender equ equality. someone at the u.n. has a sense of irony, but the saudis, even as a joke, that one falls flat. keep in mind, saudi arabia is a country in which every adult woman must have a male guardian, and that guardian's permission is required for females to travel, receive higher education, get married, and even undergo surgery. every woman must wear a hijab

and cover everything but their eyes. not allowed to drive cars, testimony in court is worth half of a man's testimony. they can even be forcibly married off as children if their fathers request it. so let's see, the country that they matter of official policy, treats women as less than human, will now be lecturing the rest of us about feminism. if you had to sum up the united nations in a single sentence, that would be it. up next, caitlyn jenner will be here to talk about a brave decision publicly supporting donald trump for president. stay tuned. i am totally blind. and for years i've struggled with non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that can turn my sleep cycles upside down. it kept me from doing the things i truly love to do. sometimes i'd show up early; sometimes i was too late. and sometimes, even though i was there... i didn't really feel..."there."

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>> well, thank you. nice to be on your show, first day. let me welcome you. yeah you've been running around, trying to find a spot for you. yes. >> tucker: hopefully i'll stay for a while. so you've been called courageous a lot. one of the braver things you did was voting for trump while living in malibu and telling people about it. what did your neighbors and friends say when did you that. >> they were fine in malibu, but let's put it this way. i never actually came out-and-oout and outwardly supported trump. i'm on the republican conservative side. >> tucker: right. >> and he wound up being our candidate, and so certainly, i was going to vote for him. he looked like he would pretty good on lgbt issues, which is important, because my loyalties don't lie with donald trump. they don't lie with the republican party. my loyalties and what i'm

fighting for is my community, the lgbt community, the trans issues that are out there. because there are many of them. and so that is where my fight is. and i thought trump would be pretty good. he is kind of disappointed me in the first 100 days on those issues. >> tucker: i guess what was so striking about leaving donald trump aside, this was an election with hillary clinton in it, who is, you know, obviously strong in lgbt issues, took a lot of money from lgbt groups. it seems like that would be a no brainer. why didn't you vote for her? >> because i am not a one issue voter. i believe in limited government. i believe in our constitution. >> tucker: yeah. >> i believe, i would rather convince the republican party do a better job when it comes to all lgbt issues than to try to convince the democrats to lower taxes and lower regulations and let the country drive, you know, financially and economically. >> tucker: that's a really interesting point. it is obvious you feel that way, you wouldn't have done it.

isn't there a lot of pressure, though, on you, specifically to be a one-issue voter? how do you deal with that? >> i totally agree with you. a lot in the community are, and they were upset that i, you know, i was a republican, and i said at the republican national convention, i said it was harder to come out as trans than it was to come out a member of the republican party. and so, yeah, it has been tough. but we have tremendous issues in our community. i talk a lot about it in the book. we have a murder rate that's out of control right now, already this year, we've had nine trans women who have been murdered, just from -- since the first of the year. we have a suicide rate, which is nine times higher than the general public in the trans community. and i sometimes get very disappointed with trump, especially when he went up against title 9, and they

repealed obama's equality on title 9. and jeff sessions has been very kind of anti-lgbt. i know on march 10th, there was a letter sent to him to try to prosecute the murderers of these trans women as hate crimes, which has been done in the past, and he never even responded to the letter. which is extremely disappointing to me. so yeah there is a lot of issues out there for our community that i'm fighting for. i want the republican party to d a better job. >> tucker: i wonder if it is not just enough to prosecute someone for murder, is that not enough? i mean, since everyone is an american and all lives are equal, transgenders people and why wouldn't is be enough to be charged with murder. >> a congressman from colorado was the first one to prosecute someone under hate crimes.

obviously the verdict is a lot more difficult, it is a lot tougher on a hate crime issue than it is a regular murder. and too many times, trans women who are murdered, they're almost brushed off to the side. a lot of times, it is only a trans woman. look what she was doing, or make excuses. that's not the case. we need protect all americans, including my community. >> tucker: wouldn't that -- >> it is important that we get serious. >> tucker: i agree with the first part of what you said completely. it is important to protect every american. put yourself in someone else's position, if someone you loved that were killed, and the murderer received a lesser sentence because they were part of the trans community, that seems unfair. >> we've got other issues too. the murder rate is so high. right now, we've got, that i'm really concerned with, the next move for the trump administration, mark green, who

a republican from tennessee, senator, and he is up for secretary of the army. this guy has come out with some of the most anti-lgbt statements ever. calling me a trans person as a disease. i have to tell mark green, i don't have a disease okay? he called about fighting the bathroom issue as, you know, the bible tells me i have to go after evil, you know, i'm not an evil person. >> tucker: i don't think anyone is suggesting that you're an evil person. i do think there are some deep questions that people of goodwill and good faith can ask. you've said in a convincing way, you believed you were a woman from early in your life, from really in the beginning, knew this is who you were, but you couldn't come out and express it. so but does that mean you believe that gender is biologically determined? that's kind of the opposite of what a lot of people are saying? >> no, a lot of people are saying it is genetic.

i was born with this, you made a statement last time, when you were with jillian weis, a guy 35, i'm trans and i'm going to go be a woman now, and that i'm going to get federal funds for women's issues. that's totally -- that does not happen in the trans community. you are basically born this way. i've dealt with these issues since i was this big. it is not something that is just a whim. >> tucker: by the way, hold on. just to be clear, i would never argue it was done on a whim. i don't believe that. i didn't mean to suggest that. i do think that there are real life issues around this question. here is one of them, obviously sports you know very well. a transgender woman just won a major weight lifting title. some people said this is someone who has a massive physical advantage over the other en

tra -- entrants. >> we're getting off the subject of my book. the li olympic committee is way ahead of identifying transgender issues and competing. all the way back when i was competes in the '70s, all the women had saliva test, to make sure they were female. we had the east german women and the soviet women and all that kind of stuff. well, since then, there has been a lot of gender nonconforming, we don't know where they fit into the athletic world and the olympic committee has done 20 years of studies on issues of hormone levels of whether you need gender confirmation surgery, what can you do as a trans person to be able to compete as your authentic self-. they've come up with guidelines. this woman met the guidelines. >> tucker: do you think it is fair? >> yes, it is totally fair. the olympic committee thinks it is fair, i'm fine with it.

there is no issue, you know, no big advantage. >> tucker: well, of course, a physical, in that case, there was a big physical advantage. >> well, we are not going to get into that. in fact, i think, i'm pretty sure with the olympic committee, you don't have to have gender confirmation surgery, just how long you've been on hormones, how long you've done this and that. >> tucker: the question, because this is a subject that is evolving, i think pretty rapidly for a lot of people, and it may change after your book comes out, but do you think it is possible for people to be people of goodwill, people of faith and generous spirits, but to be confused, at least or baffled and say i'm not exactly sure i understand it, but still be good people. >> they do not understand gender identity. they understand sexuality. the old saying is sexuality is who you sleep with. gender identity is who do you go to bed as. it is a totally different subject.

you cannot compare sexuality and gender identity. it is a hard thing. honestly, i've been fighting this war for the last couple of years, and i don't even think in my lifetime most people will get it. but we need to bring this subject forward. why? because of the youth. that's what i talk about in the book a lot. i don't -- i'm fine. everything in my life is good. i've been very lucky. but what i'm fighting for is the next generation coming up, so they can have it easier for them. so that's where the fight is. i mean, with the suicide rates, and all the problems that we have, yeah, we've got a lot of work to do and trying for people to understand the issues. >> tucker: right. caitlyn jenner, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: up next, ann coulter getting vocal support for the people trying to block her,

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ann coulter. he said what are you afraid of. booing people down or shutting down events, i don't think that works in any way. meanwhile, left of the community, bill maher weighed in on the same subject. >> it used to be the cradle of free speech, and now it is the cradle for [ bleeping ] babies. i feel like this goes on all over the country. they invite someone to speak who is not what liberals want to hear. i feel like this is the liberals' version of book burning. it has to stop. >> tucker: the difference, sanders and maher, when the liberals believed in free speech. rot from college campuses, duff micdonald, the limits of capit

capitolism, and the nba elite. it is a big book and argued, and argues this. the most prestigious school -- you call them dangerous. why is it dangerous. >> it is dangerous because they are failing at their mission of creating an enlightened managerial class. they're sending out graduates who view the world in a certain way, and without the right moral framework to go about the life they probably should. >> tucker: there are a lot of them. like over 75,000 or more hbs graduates running the economy. what are you attitudes that you think are the most harmful to the country. >> one of them is what i call sort of analytical world view, where because they're taught by spreadsheets, they think -- they come to believe the most important things in any decision

or organization are those things you can counter measure, when any sane person knows that's not true. another one is they teach by what is called the case method. and i think there is an amoral underbelly to that. they're thought there is no one right answer to any business section. there is only well articulated or less well articulated answers. that can lead you right down the slippery slope into justifying any decision you want. >> tucker: that's for sure. now, you went to wharton business call, basically the main rival to harvard. you're not against all business schools, but you argue that the distribution of wealth in our country have an ever larger percentage of it, causing volatility in our country, directly related to the leftism taught at harvard business school. >> absolutely. it is important to remember, they were founded around the time of the last big populous, a

century ago, when americans were concerned that the robber barons would eat everything in their path. a century later, there a reason donald trump got elected, because the people are angry at the way the elites have handled the economy. the people in control are from harvard business school. >> tucker: it seems like these are smart people, they went to hbs, but it seems like there is a certain mind set that comes out of there that has to do with short-term gain over long-term health. is it fair to lay that at the feet of the school? >> absolutely. you know, one thing i point out in the book, the emergence of shareholder capitalism in the '80s during the reagan era, when basically we went from thinking managers had responsibilities to other constituencies to one responsibility alone to the share price. michael jensen, who was one of the most well-known professors

at the time, he was like the intellectual vanguard of agency theory in shareholder capitalists. they have a lot do with it. >> tucker: when you say they had other constituencies, what 3r they? >> employees, communities, country. look at all the tax inversions that, you know, you can have any position you want on tax aversions, but basically someone asked someone from apple, how do you feel about not paying any tax in the states, and they said our responsibility is to the shareholders, not to the country. it is amazing they can pump out people who can't entertain the idea you can have responsibilities to more than one constituency at the same time. >> tucker: it has been going on so long, the rest of us don't notice. i have a responsibility to my shareholders, what about our country. i'm glad you reminded us it wasn't always that way. duff mcdonald. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: up next, professional

psychiatrists declaring donald trump is mentally ill, the weirdest story of the day, or something darker? our panel debates that. plus, bill hemmer, one of the great people at fox news, in the friend zone. stay tuned. ♪ at lincoln financial, we get there are some responsibilities of love you gotta do on your own. and some you shouldn't have to shoulder alone. like ensuring your family is well taken care of, today and tomorrow, no matter how life unfolds. visit lincolnfinancial.com today to learn how we can help you plan to protect your family's financial future.

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>> the stock markets were supposed to crash, if he won and the world was supposed to ends, but a group called duty to woorwoorarn, 25 psychiatrists to warn the world of president donald trump's mental illness. they believe it is grounds for impeachme impeachment, saying it was the elephant in the room. one warning sign was president trump's over estimation of his crowd size. this group is being called out for violating what is called the goldwater rule, trying to die ago know knows -- diagnose a public official. j.r. romano said they're throwing ethical standards out the window. a long list of people -- >> tucker: unintentional

diagnosis of their own mental health. >> all right, compton university administrator is suggesting candidates running for office pass an inter cultural competency test. the first part saying it five times. >> tucker: i would fail. >> basically suggesting that they take the test to determine whether they qualify to hold a position in their student office, in the student government. students are outraged, saying this negates the whole democratic process, and is a modern day form of -- >> tucker: you have to take it and pass it. >> they couldn't say it five times. >> automatically failed. >> tucker: you can't run unless you agree with me. >> exactly. something you learn in the real world. seems look a good idea, but so were hoverboards until they

caught on fire. >> tucker: both are crazy. yours is a little more offensive in a way, but years is taking us in a medical setting. the lunacy award goes to you lisa. >> participation effort. >> it is 2017. everybody gets participation. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. time for the friend zone, we bring in someone we love, and that's bill hemmer, how are you? >> doing well. congratulations, great to be with you tonight. really great. >> tucker: i get questions about you all the time. what bill hemmer really like. you and i worked together at another network. how did you get there? >> wow, i chose a story tonight for you, tucker, and your audience. it is the story that changed my

life. i was 26 years old, and was just starting to make in roads in the industry. i had $15,000 in the bank. i quit my job. entirely left it behind, because my pursuit was to back pack around the world for a year. and so i took off for what was third world travel. this wasn't like the four seasons where your friends hang out. this was china, indonesia, india, the middle east, russia. i did it, because i felt i could not go further in my own life, unless i truly understood what it was like to be out there. and that's -- i would suggest to you that's the reason why i know people like you, tucker. >> tucker: to see a bearded hemmer on the screen, you look completely different. you and i ran into each other in baghdad at the beginning of the iraq war. i remember asking you how you got there. so i remember this directly. you had taken taxicab from syria

and slept in the back the entire way. i said bill, that's dangerous, shooting and stuff. you said no problem at all. i've always wondered how you got that calmness on this trip. >> that's a great question. i always think that as reporters when you're out there in tough places, if you can keep your heart away from your head just far enough to make sure you can still think at the same time you can report, then the emotions of the moment won't get to you. i think the viewer is served by that. that's the advantage of that. >> tucker: when you're speaking to college students, younger people and they're asking you for career advice, do you say to them, quit your job and just take off with your life savings? >> no, although i would like to see more of that. for me, for me, it was a personal choice. this was 1993, tucker. you think about the world then. right before e-mail, right before atm. i mean, what is it like not to post everyday on instagram or facebook. your family probably think you

dropped off the face of the world. but you know, you can do it without google maps. it is possible. i think there were two larger points to be made in all this. we in our jobs, we have to have a breath of knowledge, and i don't think there is a day that i come to work where i don't incorporate something into my job i learned out there. you know, we have to know that much about that many things everyday. and i think that's one lesson. i would suggest the other lesson is that if you are facing a personal decision in your own life, sometimes you cannot afford not to take that risk. because that will change your life. >> tucker: that is deeply, deeply, deeply true. did you ever get held up on the road? did you get robbed at all? >> couple times. knock bad, just pocket change. i would dare suggest to you my friend, but yeah, i mean, at times, it was sketchy.

but i think situational awareness is the way you get through a lot of that. they teach you that in the military. as long as you're aware of your surroundings, you'll be okay. i didn't cut or shave my hair for ten months. try that. >> tucker: i assume you bathed at some point. >> on occasion. >> tucker: on occasion. the great bill hemmer, i've spent a lot of time with you, mostly like des moines, iowa. >> i tell you, one time i was offered my first position, my boss said write every place you've been. why do i need to do that. you're 30, but you look like you're 18. if i sell you to my boss, i need this list of countries to show them what you're all about. the evidence is there. takes the risk if you have it. >> tucker: bill, thanks for joining us. >> great to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: that's us for us tonight. our first time at 8:00. the show will always be, the sw enemy of lying smugness

and group think. hope you join us tomorrow. dvr if you haven't already. "the five" next from new york city. >> hello, everyone. i am kimberly guilfoyle. along with bob beckel, jesse watters, dana perino and greg gutfeld. this is "the five." it's a very exciting night for us on "the five" as we have moved from the 5:00 and 9:00 9:00 p.m., prime time. we have a big show so let's get it started. we are almost 100 days into the trump administration. according to an abc news "washington post" pol