new york city. "the five" is next. ♪ >> thank you, tucker. i am jesse watters along with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." the showdown over the right to free speech is intensifying tonight. ann coulter vowed s to deliver a speech at uc berkeley on thursday even after the school pulled off her scheduled visit. a group of students have filed a lawsuit against the university for canceling the event. a riot erupted over a planned event with milo yiannopoulos a

couple months ago. and coulter doesn't buy thatt excuse. >> the university of california chancellor, she used to be obama's secretary of homeland security. she has to keep the entire nation safe. i think she can keep a college campus safe. you can't use the excuse that some people are complaining about this because that is just a ruse for viewpoint discrimination. >> there is now a rift on the left. senator warren is backing and coulter. >> ann coulter has gotten a much bigger platform but if someone tried to deny her a chance to speak, my view is, let her speak and just don't show up. >> and senator bernie sanders is defending her right to speak without violence but former dnc chair doesn't appear to be a fan of free speech. >> hate speech is not protected

by the first amendment. talk about this. >> that's actually true. berkeley is within its rights to make a decision and put their campus -- in danger if they have her there. >> i think you went to the school. greg, i will start with you. it just seems like liberals don't like listening. >> it's a great scam. the security argument? we are not blocking free speech, we just can't protect you from people that can harm you because of free speech. imagine if the lifeguard said we usually give you cpr but we won't to democrats. there's a four alarm fire on sixth avenue. fox news? sorry. no, that's not how it works. you do your job. people are going to protect her no matter what. they are called the police department. what these activists are actually doing as they are increasing risks for violence by removing a key step in between

anger and peace, which is conversation. this is sharia law for snowflakes. they basically believe you don't have a right to language. if they get angry, the only thing you can do is be violent because there is no debate anymore. there's no conversation. this is a step towards chaos anr anarchy which is what whatever they call themselves want. >> i don't think it has anything to do with hate speech or the constitution. i think it's all about politics. if you look at bill maher, there were no protests about that. >> has there been a conservative group that complained about a speaker that came to their college campus? i don't think there is. it probably is politics but these younger people seem to think that speech they don't like -- they equate it with violence.

they need a safe space from the violence which doesn't make a lot of sense to me but i think the democrats are worried about something and you see a little bit of glimmer in leadership in elizabeth warren when she says this leads to tribalism, this could be a slippery slope. what humans do when they separated into tribes? they fight violently. >> what does that say about the democratic party that elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are the voice of reason and they are making howard dean step back? >> thank god. the problem is is that everybody should be championing the same cause. everyone should unite left, right, center. we support and applaud the first amendment. free speech in this country is one of the most important principles that has bounded this country in terms of fighting for our liberty and our freedom to do that. what bothers me most is that this is happening in

universities across this country where they are supposed to be educating our students, that are supposed to be future leaders of tomorrow. why is it that someone like ann coulter can't go and speak at uc berkeley? you guys are like the freak shows over there the smart nerds. when you see this group here, they become like the stormtroopers of the left. that is what they are. they are close minded, marching in unison to be programmed against anything that is remotely conservative. >> why can't the university protect ann coulter? they have the money and manpower. why can't they do it? >> let me just say how disappointed i am in all of you suggesting this has to do with democrats and liberals. these are anarchists coming in from around the country. they don't have to do with the democratic party. howard dean is an anarchist himself. >> really?

>> it was a short-lived situation. the reason i am for ann coulter speaking is because she has a right to speak and every time she opens her mouth, it driveses away more people. she is becoming more and more irrelevant. this is a woman who said america has been graced by a christian god to have donald trump as president. that wasn't all. she called marco rubio a rapist. she wanted to deport nikki haley, who is the governor of south carolinaer. let her talk. she talked and talked and at one point -- >> i don't think any of those things you listed were hate speech. are you supposed to then riot and do harm to her? >> you don't think calling rubio a rapist is not hate speech? >> i don't think that is hate speech if you call someone a name.

it's not ann coulter who is instigating a crowd to then fight somebody else. she is actually saying something and the people that are offended are trying to hurt her. >> the intolerance movement which is born out of progressive, politically correct ideology is predicated on running unopposed. they have never had opposition so when they would protest, there would be nobody there. now what you are seeing is kind of a pendulum response. people are coming to the campuses whether you like them or not. whether you hate ann or whether you hate milo, they are bringing the fight to them and it's actually waking up for the longest time. these groups on the streets. the language. the turf. now you have the right mimicking the left and the left can't handle it. they are now the stodgy old puritanical hedgehog. >> ann coulter is the dead horse in the dean's office.

>> that's not very nice, bob. >> oh, is that too bad? >> no, i will give you some hate speech -- ann coulter saido, things about about me and other people that is personal because she has a line, you look at her books. >> you just said she has a right to speak and now you are saying you don't like what she says. why does it matter? that should make you -- >> one reason, she brings a lotd of attention to herself because she is becoming irrelevant. >> she gladly accepted an invitation. >> so what? now she decided to give that speech anyway because of potential violence? i bet she wishes there can be violence so she can be the martyr in all this. the fact that we wasted the opening segment of the show like something on ann coulter -- >> no, bob.

it is not about ann coulter. the former head of the democratic party said that free speech is hate speech. that is what this is about. you even said she should speak. now you are saying you don't like her. >> every time she speaks, people get to know more about her -- >> every time she speaks and people get a violent, it makes the left look even -- >> let's get to -- the wheels came off the ball, bob. i'm going to educate you. open up your mind, bobby. public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation, that is the cambridge definition of hater speech.

so how is it -- >> can we go through some of those again? i am pretty sure ann coulter qualifies -- you used the word liberal and said you would educate me. i have a right to say what i think and i think she is anqu idiot and i think she should speak and drive more peopleyo away. >> i want to hear your reaction to something former president obama said about the polarization in the country. let's take a look. >> if this generation is getting all of its information through its phones, that you really don't have to confront people who have different opinions. or have a different experience. or a different outlook. if you are liberal, on msnbc, if you are a conservative you are on fox news. >> dana, the president who bashed fox news for eight years is now complaining about polarization in the country. it seems lopsided.

fox is over here and the rest of the media is over here. >> i never thought president obama has been consistent on this. he has always pushed back. remember when condoleezza rice was rejected from rutgers university? he came out and said that was wrong. i think he has been consistent in talking to liberal college campuses but i do wonder if can he actually try to figure out as way, as bob was pointing out, he's saying that the anarchists coming in are not part of the democratic party. how do you separate a radical fringe from the group? the right has to deal with this a lot sometimes. remember the ku klux klan thing? they are not a part of the republican party, how did they separate it? the left does need to pay attention to this. now that president obama's back, maybe this is something he will do and -- >> what you said was accurate. people that watch msnbc tend to be more liberal and fox, more conservative.ur that's all right. you can pick whatever you want. i can't remember a single time

when a democrat compared the republican party with nazis. >> my god, bob. i can hear it in an hour, them do that. the left made their bed. it was the left that created the new right. they had this dialogue for so long, these safe spaces are creating the danger by preventing dialogue. >> they don't want to do it. they want an echo chamber. they don't want to hear any other viewpoints. they want to be close minded and they will do whatever it takes. to silence the other side. >> rush limbaugh has a warning for president trump about the border wall. we will hear from rush. rush. he's hiding a card!

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>> a possible through on the budget, a government shutdown might be avoided this week.. construction of the wall, president trump insists that it

will be built. >> the wall isll going to get built, folks. the wall is going to get built and the wall is going to stop drugs and a lot of people from w coming and that shouldn't be here. the wall gets built. 100%. we are preparing, doing plans,s, specifications. we have a lot of time. >> rush limbaugh is concerned that president trump might beof giving in to the democrats. >> i am not happy to have to pass this on but it looks like... from here, right here right now, it looks like president trump is caving on his demand for asi measly $1 billion in the budget for his wall on the border with mexico. the democrats are threatening a government shutdown. the same old same old and i was hoping that trump would throw this shutdown thing right back in their face, get away with it once.

they're just going to keep using him. >> joining us for the first time on our new time slot, john roberts. you were there come a front row today. you've been watching the development of the last 100 days. do you think the white house has figured out a way to get the border protection they need plus the spending deals so that they don't have to have a government shutdown? >> absolutely. we had a meeting tonight, myself and a number of my colleagues with reince priebus. he made a point of saying that the president is showing reasonableness on the wall, he surprised democrats by doing that. he thinks -- nancy pelosi, reince priebus saying the democrats will have to manufacture some fake controversy if they want to shutdown the government and blamed thehe democrats. what the president has really done here is he's laid out the table.

$30 billion in defense spendingp and a lot of money for border protection. in that money for border protection, he hadf $1.55 billion. now? he has shifted that saying i need something on the border in terms of structure. what about repairing and replacing some fencing that is there? they have some fences inin california, just outside of san diego. they are falling apart. he could rebuild those. and then kick back over actual bricks and mortar.r. that will start in september. >> we are going to take it around the table. bob will kick us off. >> rush limbaugh, if trump caves -- trump is realizing one thing. he has all these supposes successes. buy low-hanging fruit, by signing executive orders.

when it comes to congress, hehes getting his butt kicked in. if they are trended from us tott chicken salad -- that's a good idea but you don't buy that, do you? you don't think this has anything but crush do you? >> he knew that that was a losing proposition. senator schumer came out and said mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader wanted to negotiate on the wall. chuck schumer said there will be no wall. everybody knew there was going to be a big fight over this. the democrats would probably force the government into default. and then that would be primee territory to play new republican.. the president really wanted to avoid this. he doesn't want a government shutdown, happening on the 99th or 100th day of his presidency. he saying they will continue with construction of the wall but if you listen to the border patrol, which does not want aal concrete barrier they can't sees through -- they want to see through to the other side, you

can hear people at thero white house talking about some of the options building a "wall." it looks more like a fence than the type of wall running through the center of israel. >> kimberly, next. >> in terms of your discussions with reince priebus, did he really say what his strategy is going forward to get the funds appropriated to complete this, whatever you call it -- a fence or a wall -- he said doing it in september, dealing with the fiscal issues at that time but how would that be different from now? >> it's not going to be different coming upgo in septemr and october at the end it right now. and the reason for that is the democrats have got their heels dug in over this.n the house minority leader nancy pelosi said that building a wall is a sign of weakness. the democrats are saying you can do through electronic means or

surveillance. kellyanne conway said maybe we can build some sort of electronic wall in the interim. but the president believes the model in israel is the model to follow, look what happens.el they had enormous success. that is the model that the president is working from. believing if you can build a physical barrier along the parts of the southern border, that will go a long way to keeping the bad people out. he is saying it's not a model for immigration but for drugs, human smuggling, et cetera et cetera. s he believes in what is a compelling case. and the democrats aren't buying it. they are the ones that are holding the purse strings here. you need 60 votes to pass a bill in the senate. for a reconciliation process, a they are already doing that with health care. they want to try to get 60 votes on it. >> jesse. >> a judge today basically

blocked trump defunding sanctuary city initiatives. we are looking at that, the travel ban situation, the border wall money at risk. not a lot of luck when it comes to immigration policy. what is the mood in the white house right now with all of this? >> they know they are 0 for 3 in terms of these executive orders on immigration. but reince priebus in his conversation with us tonight said this is another example of the ninth circuit court of appeals going bananas. vowing to appeal this all the way to the supreme court. they are right, when it comes to issues of immigration, the president is batting zero. they do want to get a victory on the board. don't know if they will get it in court in appealing these executive orders. that is why he wants some semblance of an order. it seems like getting it done will be very difficult.

>> we have one last question, john. the one you've been waiting for from greg gutfeld.n, >> if there is a government shutdown, will you make a pledge not to say the phrase, "kick the can down the road"? >> i don't think they are going to have the government shutdown so i won't be tempted to say that. they will probably pass some sort of resolution, to give a couple more weeks for figuring out this spending bill. the chief of staff and manyin other people around here believe they can get something done this week and avoid that deadline because they do not want that as an exclamation point on the president's first 100 days. >> is there a better word than omnibus? >> off the bus? >> what does it mean?? >> i will explain it to you at the break. >> it is an all encompassing thing. sort of like you, greg. you encompassin everything that there is in the universe. i once joked in 2008 when obama

was elected that i had been named the ambassador to canada because that is where i was born. everybody at my employer, which at that point was cnn, bought it. they were all wishing me well. [laughter] >> we are glad you did not go to canada. thank you, john. a bombshell new report on how obama did a nuclear deal with iran. greg has details when "the five" returns. iran. greg has details when "the five" returns. what is driving performance? it's not a weekend hobby. you have to live and breathe it for 50 years. it's the sound... and the fury. it's letting it all hang out there, and it's hanging on for dear life. that is what amg driving performance means.

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>> here is the problem with legacy. you will sacrifice stuff that is not even yours to get it. take president obama's iran deal when he gave the shirt off his back, and ours too.

president obama sugarcoated the prisoner swap with iran in order to preserve the nuke deal that he so badly wanted to. no, i know. he is no longer president and neither is a lincoln and i just saw a movie on him so we are going to talk about him. who did president obama hand over? guys who smuggled assault rifles to iran, for the uranium centrifuges.s. get this, we refer to these guys as businessmen. maybe so, and using that logic for a serial killer is true. he is in the business of killing. probably the first time in history a liberal used that label as a compliment. if you are an american businessman, you are a selfish jerk. legacies are just selfish.me they are dangerous too.h iran knew what president obama wanted.fi which prevented him from striking a tough deal.

he was like a poker player, whose mirrored sunglasses showed everyone his hand. maybe having a 70-year-old billionaire as a president isn't such a bad thing. he has his name on enough things already. bob, i will go to you because you are an expert in this. should president obama be retro impeached? i don't think it has ever been done but can we do it now? >> i don't know, greg. it's not constitutional. one thing i will say about this is since the beginning of this republic, we have always treated spies for spies. we have never told the truth about it. that starts with george washington and goes right through franklin roosevelt and ronald reagan. i don't excuse the way he did it. but i don't think it is w

something that is normal for obama. t i think it is something that is in part -- one last thing. the trump secretary of state said the iran deal was a good one. >> i don't think it was a good deal. he said he will take a look at it in a little while. >> he said they were violating the spirit of the deal and they would reassess it. >> that was spicer. >> no, tillerson said it. >> bob is right, there was a report that said they are largely complying with the deal. the next day is when tillerson said those comments. >> this is about the deal he made that he sweetened because he wanted his legacy. >> get this, it is all true and substantiated. the deal here is what lengths were they willing to go to make sure this deal went through? you have to think about acting in the best interest of the united states. how is this acting in the best interest of the united states and national security,w by

compromising it in every way? what we should have been preventing? that to me, i think is hugely problematic. it should be fully investigated because this is not the kind ofi diplomacy or u.s. foreign policy that should ever happen in this country. >> i do think bob makes a good point. it was a prisoner swap. but that is not what we are talking about. the fact is that the guy made a lousy deal. >> he was a terrible dealmaker. he gives the iranians tons of cash and lies about the guys he granted clemency to. d he did it with obamacare. he said if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. how about the bowe bergdah also a terrible deal. said the guy served with courage and distinction. five taliban commanders for one traitor.wi

he doesn't understand leverage. he was so desperate to get the deal done. >> let's go back to -- when we go back and look at one of the greatest mistakes, when harry truman and franklin roosevelt sat down with joe stalin and essentially gave away eastern europe so that russia would enter the war with japan. that was condemning 20 million people to communism. that was how they wanted to end the war with japan. it was probably not the best deal in the world but it happens. it happens in big ways. >> dana, i want to get you in here. is there a savory end -- my point is -- >> not yet. there is no savory end here. they will say they did it for the greater good and in the long run this is the best thing. but remember when "the new york times" magazine

cover story came out about ben rhodes? who was in charge of mentoring the iran deals, he was making fun of reporters for not digging into the story. it's interesting that none of this leaked during the obama administration. in regards to the iran deal. >> interesting. >> and also, cuba. >> overall, what we have seen consistently is the obama administration regularly misled the american people because they think they know better than everybody else. >> all right, directly directly ahead, ivanka trump gets heckled in germany. and you will see it, when we return on "the five." gets heckd in germany. and you will see it, when we return on "the

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>> welcome back. ivanka trump got an interesting reception in berlin today. she was with the german chancellor angela merkel. while she was defending her dad's support for women andke family, she received boos and hisses from the crowd. >> he has shown tremendous support towards -- families and enabling them to try in the new reality. i certainly heard the criticisms from the media. that has been perpetuated. i know from personal experience and i think the thousands of women who have worked with and for my father for decades when he was in the private sector are a testament to his beliefs and solid conviction in the potential of women and their ability to do the job as well as

any man. >> okay, this is obviously a controversial thing. she went to go speak and drew the hisses from the crowd.nt >> the leftists that say they really respect women, they were given an opportunity to respect a woman like that and they boo and hiss. now they are treating us likere it's a soccer match. i don't understand what is going on. i think ivanka is supposed to be the moderating voice for her father. i think people in europe should support that. i don't know why also saying that my father respects family is controversial. he has probably hired a ton of fathers and mothers and children. i don't really get what is going on here. i really like how she was speaking into that microphone.'t >> what do you make of this? she is really gone out of her way, i think she contributes and is a part of her father's

administration. especially on this issue.ib equal pay for women, working mothers should be able to have some support, to be able to have child care. >> i think she handled a very tough situation. that will not be the last time she has to deal with that. it was rude for the audience to do that. she handled it very well. angela merkel invited ivanka trump because it was about trying to figure out a way to empower women entrepreneurs and get them access to capital. that is why she was there. she dedicates a lot of hern policy worked without. it is not easy but i admire her for getting out there and doing it. you have to remember, she was invited by merkel to the

meeting. and therefore, angela merkel cannot control her audience but she should have asked for a little more -- >> i think she handled herselfme well. >> this is an interesting pattern we are seeing. remember on the plane when the guy demeaned her and her family?er this kind of attack is easy. you don't get much blowback when you go after a trump or after anybody that is not part of ari certain grievance group. you can boo ivanka trump but have you booed a radical cleric? would they have booed if ahmadinejad had come and spoke? this is something that is easy, acceptable. virtue signaling. "i booed ivanka trump." "i am cool." >> it is bullying. bob, go ahead. >> let's not assume that was the left that was there. >> you think there were someme right-wingers out there?

>> it was angela merkel who donald trump refused to shake hands with. >> at least he didn't tap her phones like obama did. >> i saw that. he did not hear her. i don't think he heard. >> he said they had amazing chemistry. >> he didn't massage her shoulders like bush did. >> we are going. how much would you be willing to spend on a pair of jeans caked in fake mud? bob's got the dirt on the hefty price for fashion next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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fashion trend. here's former "dirty jobs" host, mike rowe, whoever that is. >> jeans for people who don't have dirty jobs but want you tow think they have a dirty job. my beef with nordstrom's isn't that they made these jeans -- they don't value authenticity. once again as a country, what the hell are we doing?au >> i like the guy. now i recognize who he is. what is the price for jeans that you buy? >> probably about $150. is that a lot? i really shouldn't say that. [laughter] >> when americans where the jeans that have all the cuts in them, i don't have a problem with them doing that. >> they are smart capitalists. sell them. i don't care.

>> women actually like men who do outdoorer work. not men that pretend. >> what about men that pay other men to do outdoor work? >> oh,>> gosh. [laughter]t >> yes, yes. >> with a shovel? >> that aren't afraid to work. i don't know about the mud on w the pants. >> this is halloween for beta males.ut this is the man with soft hands, can feel like a real dude while they go get their chai latte and then they go to their pilates class. >> it's a "chai" latte. >> i don't even drink the stuff i don't know what to call it. you want to make this better? you have to create a certificate

of authenticity. "these jeans were worn while unclogging a toilet inne the greyhound bus station in newark." and bonus to its scratch and sniff for an extra $600. >> my family in wyoming could probably send me a whole outfit that nordstrom's -- >> a guy that buys these would be such a poser. it's one thing if you are a a construction worker, if you actually really work. >> they are fetishizing blue-collar workers. >> can you imagine if someone showed up on a date like that? >> i'll be happy to do it. i got dirty enough crawling around while i was drinking. >> what is your excuse next week? >> time now for "one more

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♪ >> i can feel it. but it works. >> incredible. the whole day was amazing. a lot of innovators.s. for more on that, notimpossible.com. my book was named one of the notable books of the year. i circled it for which one doesn't belong and it's an honor. >> congratulations. how interesting. i know you like science. >> i love it, i love it. >> when president trump was candidate trump often talked about his disdain for executive order. let's look at this on the campaign trail. >> nobody wants to listen to

him, including the democrats. he goes around signing executive orders. the country was not based on executive orders. right now obama goes on signing them, he can't get along with the democrats. >> well, here you will see what he has done in his 100 days. he has signed executive orders. you have to love a guy who can change his mind like that and even have some supporters stilll believe the guy can tell the truth. >> was not like when john kerry was for the war? >> we are not going to talk about that. >> my "one more thing," a town hall answer given to an an 11-year-old with a question. here's this. >> the most dangerous person in america is the person who is president of the united states. >> wow. there you have it.he a democratic congressman saying

president trump is the most dangerous man in america. >> you think he said that? >> his phone number, if you want to contact him is -- wait till the office is open tomorrow. >> time for my favorite topic. you know i love me some sports. the clippers played the jazz. they are both basketball. sometimes they have games at halftime where kids and adults run. that is an adult.. he did it to a kid. the jazz -- the jazz bear says hey, that ain't right. he says bam. the jazz bear knocks them down. the guy died instantly. >> oh, my god. >> no he didn't.he i made it up. if you are at a halftime game, don't beat up children. >> you really do look out for the children.

>> i care for the kids, kimberly. i care for the kids. >> all right, if you say so. this wonderful woman, 101 years old ran a 100-meter dash. world masters gameses yesterday. no one else ran against her but it doesn't matter. no one in the 100 plus age group was competing. >> she out ran all of her competitors. >> she would have beat me. >> she completed the race in 1:14. cleared her to run after that and she began running in track and field with her son at the age of 94. isn't that the best? >> well done. >> set your dvrs so you never miss an episode of "the five." we will see you back here tomorrow at 9:00 eastern. sean hannity is up next.

coming at you, sean. ♪ >> sean: thanks to all my friends at "the five." another great show in their new time slot. by the way, tucker, "the five," they all debuted number one in their timeslots last night. congratulations to them all. welcome to "hannity." d a very busy news night on this very busy news week.k. laura ingraham, kellyanne conway, ari fleischer, herman cain and more guests. but first, the alt radical left propaganda destroyed trump media has been out to destroy president trump but also anybody who dares to support him and his policies. that is tonight very important opening monologue. it's no secret that the