>> jon: bad news for film fans. jonathan demme, a famed hollywood director who directed silence of the lambs and philadelphia is dead. he was 73, complications from cancer. see you back here and in our. >> jenna: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: strong words of condemnation coming out of the white house after a federal judge in san francisco blocks his attempt to crack down on century cities. the white house saying activist judges are putting the nation security at risk. a century cities have "blood on their hands." this is outnumbered. i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, host of the intelligence reports with trish regan on fox business, trish regan is here and today is, eric bolling will be cohosting a brand-new show on fox debuting monday, may 1st. he is outnumbered. congratulations. >> eric: i own the 5:00 hour for some reason.

>> sandra: is always good to have you. the white house not holding back after a federal judge said the administration could not punish sanctuary cities by withholding federal funds. this ruling, the third immigration ruling from the president blocked in his first 100 days. president trump who is bowing a fight firing back on twitter. "first, the ninth circuit rules against the band and out has again on century cities. ridiculous ruling. see you in the supreme court." and the president accusing his political opponents of playing politics with their choice of courts. tweeting "out of our very big country with many choices does everyone notice that both the ban case and now the sanctuary city case is brought in."

they used to call this judge shopping. messy system. earlier on "america's newsroom," sean spicer slammed them saying he has an agenda. >> do you think the ninth circuit has it in for the white house? >> i don't know they have it in for the white house, i think they have it in -- they have a horrible record of interpreting the law, that's just a fact. the u.s. code makes it clear that the president has full authority to do what's necessary to protect this country and to present grant money in a way that he sees fit. the idea that any judge or any jurisdiction would not want to help make sure that we can protect our cities and what our laws should be. >> sandra: the white house, not holding back. >> eric: i think it is. i think sean spicer is being very political in that i do think the ninth circuit, which is notoriously liberal has an

end for donald trump. they've been too big push back that donald trump has tried to get through and we are waiting to see how this all plays out, but i will bet my bottom dollar that they bring this to the supreme court and see how the court decides and maybe the trumpet ministry to get they win. it is interesting that both of the major push backs have come from the same ninth circuit. >> sandra: the president not holding back. >> trish: he doesn't hold them in a high regard. this has gotten increasingly liberal. the ninth circuit has always been liberal, but you think about the judges who are put in place over the last eight years and they were coming at this with a bias. in other words, they want to reconstruct the world as they see fit. you've got to wonder what's happened to just uphold the law? you don't need to reinterpret

things in your own vision, and your own utopia and too often now and then judicial system, that's what we see. >> sandra: katie steinle was often mentioned on the campaign trail by donald trump. he promised to crack down on these -- he is following through on his campaign promises, but this is certainly a roadblock. >> harris: such a departure from what we saw from president obama who was not mentioning katie steinle and what happened to her, killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported many times in san francisco. now you see a president who holds it up as an example of how we need to do things better and differently. just to piggyback a little bit on what trish regan is saying. what's interesting about a court changing is that when democrats look at the current, new u.s. supreme court nominee then, their greatest criticism was he's going to change things and this is going to become a court of advocacy. clearly the ninth circuit court of appeals has some advocacy

challenges. people are questioning their positioning on things. i don't hear the democrats standing up. as i because it falls in line with their political views, because fairness should be fairness. they should call it out. >> trish: that's a great point. the concern is when you see what's happening in cities like chicago that decisions are made -- with politics, rather than looking at what's really happening. >> meghan: we should talk about politics. if you're a hard-line voter who voted for president trump on his immigration stance, which by the way i believe was 50% of people who ended up voting for him, i elected him to office, this is what i want, and even more moderates on immigration have a very extreme idea, it's an extreme area of the country. i have a good friend that lives in malibu, he sent me a picture of the malibu sign -- anyone can come in can come in and do any

behavior. it's extreme, even by people who have a more moderate stance on immigration. the problem is if you get up in the morning, voted for a harder immigration stance with president trump, now it's being stopped by political judges in the ninth circuit who are apparently going to take that and their wit hands, despite what the american people voted for. >> harris: went interesting, i was writing this down as you are talk about century cities in jurisdiction, they actually technically operate outside the law as we know it. let's put all the funding aside, let's put the expectation of all of us with those who live among us with special treatment. that's a fair place to start. then you have an entire estate in california which would like to become a jurisdiction. people in california are saying stop speaking for me. i don't want the entire estate to be this. >> eric: my thoughts are, then fine. you shouldn't. if the state of california wants

to declare themselves sanctuary, go for it, knock yourself out. the trump administration is saying that then you run the risk of federal funding not happening, for reimbursement -- go ahead, but there is a lot of funding for law enforcement, for you and numerous apologies -- people that back, they would have a hard time. california would definitely having financial problems. be careful what you wish for. >> trish: you were touching on something that's really important because you talk about federal funding, even for homeland security in a state like california, in cities like san francisco and los angeles, they lose that funding and frankly, they are at risk of losing all kinds of federal funding. i don't know that i want to go to san francisco, because i'm concerned about safety and away that maybe i wouldn't be in

new york city -- >> sandra: did the white house go too far? >> meghan: no, i think you have to see kate steinle's family and people like that. if you are someone living in malibu and he thinks recently, it feels like you can break laws of any kind and there'll be no ramifications. i think it's a very slippery slope. if you didn't take the message loud and clear of president trump's historic when and him running on this hard-line immigration, this is what the american people voted for and it unilaterally seemed to of wanted. >> harris: -- >> eric: if you g across the border is a crime, then you're protecting a criminal if that's the case, where the sanctuaries for other crimes? i would like to see other crimes that we may not agree on, maybe

smoking marijuana is a crime, but century cities aren't. >> meghan: meanwhile, the homeland security department opening a new office today looking to help the victims of immigrate -- too many american families have been torn apart by tragedies that were very much preventable. >> because of years and years of policies complicating immigration and enforcement efforts and a politically correct approach to public safety, there are mothers who will never again see a mother's day card for my son. there are husbands will never again kiss their wives, there are children will never get to graduate high school. these victims of illegal aliens are people. >> meghan: critics are taking issue with the program saying it will further divide the country.

a new editorial in the usa today saying crime victims and their relatives deserve help and information, but such assistance may not be wrapped in a package. it fosters a notion of group guilt and stirs up bigotry. blaming an already minority group for actions does not help. >> eric: in this case, liberals are pushing back and it's a conservative g.o.p. idea, but think about that for a second. helping victims of a certain ac act. this is a liberal calling card. we defend the victims of certain types of bigotry, racism, and what not an end everyone showed, but when it becomes the victims of families hurt by illegal immigrants, all of a sudden it's a class that we don't want to protect, so we are against the tip of protection. >> meghan: he's 100% correct. if you are in a safe space and

someone says something that offends you, the actual victims of crimes as a step too far. >> harris: this is often the most unpopular thing i say on twitter apparently. there is an original crime here. if we just start there, there are a lot of people that will need a protective space, millions of them. we've got to come real about how they got there, who they are, and why they're here, either breaking the laws are not, and how we deal with that. i just don't think we were talking about that from its origin and it's important. they've already broken the law. are you going to give everybody a safe space just because they're here illegally? >> eric: i have an option. the most common sense credible option in the way of handling 20 million illegals. just as the way there are 5-10 different dmv's in every single state, you create an embassy

structure -- if you're here illegally and you want to come out of the shadows, you go into this place, your documented, and are not arrested. where on record, you're not a citizen yet, you're not any other classification -- >> harris: is that not amnesty? >> eric: no. you are not considered an american citizen. it's a softer way -- by the way, it's a more economical way for people who are in the shadows out into the mainstream and paying taxes, which is what we should all want as well. >> harris: there would be a destruction of the embassy. that's an interesting thought. we should talk more about that on outnumbered over time. >> eric: we are giving way benefits as it is. >> sandra: this is giving a voice to the forgotten

population. this is a very important debate that has been left out of the discussion for many years. >> meghan: i'm getting my queue, we have to move on. a new report on the nuclear agreement with iran and covering great lengths. the obama administration went to secure it. the men released back into a run in a prison swap revealed a national security threat and sadly, there is more. what will all mean for the trump administration? the news of president obama's next big payday. is he selling out by taking big money from wall street fatcats? after the show, you can join our live chat by clicking the overtime tab or go to facebook.com/outnumbered fnc you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals.

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the >> harris: new details about the obama administration's new efforts to finalize the nuclear deal with iran. you may remember the administering coordinated a prisoner swap is part the deal. the cash on the plane. treating seven prisoners while iran freed five americans.

americans were accused by the justice department of posing threats to our own national security. political reporting said ed also included dropping charges against 14 people who were believed to be securing nuclear materials for tehran. the reporter talked to brad baer on special report. >> when they did the very well choreographed rollout, they specifically mentioned seven iranians that were either freed from prison or freed from bail, awaiting charges. the official rollout of it did not include any of the details about 14 other fugitives. nothing about 14 fugitives, some of whom were very high on the list of targets of u.s. proliferation efforts. these are some pretty dangerous people. >> harris: the house foreign affairs committee are asking the trump administration to consider the political report as a deal with iran.

this statement was issued saying if it's a larger pattern with the obama administration can consistently downplay the iranian threat to get a deal done at any cost. we need to be clear eyed about the threat as the world's leading state sponsor of terror. iran must be stopped, not rewarded. what's interesting about that statement, apparently the letter that went out from the trump administration first didn't even identify iran as a terrorist state, a threat of terror. the president reportedly jumped back on that letter to toughen up the language. what's going on? >> eric: the world is getting to be a more and more dangerous place. it's putting the uss benson on the coast of the korean peninsula. >> harris: to the state apartment not made business? >> eric: the state department

state department -- we are 90 something days into it. there is a 15,000 people in the administration that need to be changed out. you have an argument to say that rex tillerson missed the ball on pointing out iran as a state-sponsored organization. >> harris: no, i'm putting up that the language was put back. >> eric: it should be. you have north korea that's starting to use nuclear weaponry, you have iran who says they're going to or has the ability to do it 20 years down the road, which i think is 20 months down the road. the world is getting more dangerous and the fact that they're talking about -- let's kill the iran deal completely. spicer said today, every 90 days, they have a review of whether or not iran is complying. i guarantee you from day one they stopped complying. at some point, they're going to pull the plug. >> harris: >> sandra: he's sayit

there are nefarious acts by the government that are part of the deal as well. >> meghan: the problem is the damage is done. you have these terrorists there were led back and freed in a prism swap. they were given hundreds of millions of dollars in unmarked bills. they have leverage over us. who was surprised? the obama administration has a history of lying throughout their entire administration. the problem with moving forward forward -- iran who screams death to america, puts death to israel and the sides of the missiles, they have leverage over the united states of america. i don't know what the answer is because the damage is already done, but president obama should be culpable for this and the ramifications will ultimately come from what we have given to

a ran. it doesn't take a foreign expert to know we can't trust these people. >> harris: trash, part of what the president was pointing to it in the letter that came from the state department and a ran steel was the fact that till her son other is the administration said it looks like iran is complying. how loose with the compliance requirements? the >> trish: president obama was so desperate to get this deal done. eric and i come from a business background. as a ceo of the company, if you're destined to go out and buy another company, you don't let that be known. obama didn't have the right experience, he didn't know how to do the deal here.

he wanted this deal done no matter what. they effectively had them over the barrel. now trump is trying to do with the consequences. >> eric: we need to lean back and go, what was the motivation to get this deal done? on our end, we didn't get anything for it. >> sandra: how much of the damage can be undone? >> eric: what have we kept from this? >> meghan: this of all the things that president obama has done, we've spent hours of shows just talking about that, this will have the greatest ramifications for everyone's future children. >> harris: in case it wasn't hurt, when you to make your point about things undone. >> sandra: how much of the damage can be undone at this point? >> eric: all of it. there are things and you can put out on a ran that will drive that economy into the ground and

that's what you need to do. turn over all the nuclear material, all of it, not just some of it. >> harris: do you think people will come onto the streets? that puts pressure on the actual citizens. how do you put pressure on the actual government? we didn't support their green revolution when people came out onto the streets. >> meghan: the world on fire and there's a lot of responsibility that can be weighed to the president obama and his administration. >> eric: the game is up when they get the nuclear warheads that they can deliver. and it's too late. >> harris: stick around for the whole hour. just about an hour from now, the trump administration said to take the lid off of its highly anticipated tax plan. steve mnuchin promising historic cuts designed to kick the economy into high gear. what we know so far. we'll tell you. are they inching closer to a deal on health care reform?

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we want to make business competitive and we want to simplify the personal tax system, lower taxes and create economic growth. this is going to be the biggest tax cut in the largest tax reform in the history of our country. we are committed to seeing this through. >> sandra: there you have it. fox news just learning the tax bracket will be ten, 25, and 35%. trish regan is here. she is so excited about this. you can hardly contain herself. >> trish: we spent the last eight years with no meaningful economic policy out of washington. they were doing everything they could to print money and prop the economy up. finally, we are getting some thing in the way of economic policy. it's not right that we have the highest tax rate when you factor in state local taxes for corporations in the world. why would you want to start a business here? why do you think so many u.s. companies have been going

overseas, buying companies over there, because they want a more favorable tax environment. we have to do everything we can to be as competitive as we can. >> sandra: your job used to be to manage risk. give me the risk versus reward by doing this for the country. >> eric: manage risk and expectations. obviously the economy, the markets are anticipating really good things. i have some numbers. to drive the economy, you really have to look at the corporate tax structure. it will help, but the real meat behind this comes from a corporate tax rate from 35% down to 15%. what that's going to create is two and a half trillion dollars over the next ten years. that means the company can keep their own money and that way

they hire more people -- they have to because they want to expand. let me go one step further. the tax foundation says they will increase gdp by 4%. 4-600,000 jobs per year created with its lower tax structure. >> harris: can they put it back into people and businesses as you're saying? could you do it like a capital gains on a house sale? could you have a certain period of time and dollar amount that you make with the gain of taxes that you get because the lower rate would make sure that you put it back into the places that you're seeking? >> eric: there's a downside to this. that stimulus is actually two and half trillion dollars of lower revenue to the federal government at first. the theory is that it will turn

into more jobs and more growth. again, this is what you want to do. this is a conservative model, let people keep their own money and it will spur income growth and wage growth. >> sandra: they wanted a business friendly environment when they voted for donald trum donald trump. they put him in office. how does this play out politically? >> meghan: i keeping about middle america and families and businesses who have been hurt under the obama administration, especially under obamacare being forced to lay off employees that they couldn't afford. i just want to know and the average american wants to know how is this going to affect my bottom line? >> eric: 24,000 deductible income credit on your taxes for a family filing jointly. $24,000 for a family.

think about that. when they finally get to obamacare and pull that tax out, everyone out there, every human being out there watching right now have a lower and sometimes substantially lower tax rate. >> sandra: just the feeling that we have washington working for us and making this a better environment for businesses, but also for the consumer and for the average american. that feeling that we are seeing popped up in consumer confidence. >> trish: >> meghan: i'm a fiscl conservative and i believe in government, it will neuter any argument that socialists would take this country. it hurts bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and it will show that all these promises, president trump has made and the bottom line -- i just want to

make socialism not possible. >> trish: it is un-american to say we are going out there and we are taxing prosperity. think about what just happened in the french election. you had one candidate that was running on the extreme left that said the government is going to take every dollar you make up of $400,000. if bernie sanders had his way -- he didn't think you should make more than a million dollars a year. i'll tell you, not a lot of people make a million dollars a year, but that's part of who we are only want to be excited about that. we don't want to think that someone was there and is going to penalize us so significantly. lower taxes, smaller government, let people keep what they have. >> sandra: we'll see how it plays out.

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>> sandra: when he was president, he called them fatcat's. president obama less than 100 days out of office, he is raising some eyebrows when he made a deal to speak at a wall street conference run by -- is hefty $400,000 fee about equal to his yearly salary when he was in the white house. nearly doubled when hillary clinton hauled in from such events. it appears to be an about-face for the president. here's mr. obama on "60 minutes" just a few days before leaving office. watch. >> you're not going to

wall street and make a lot of money? >> not going to wall street. the amount of time that i'll be investing in the issues is going to be high, but it will be necessarily in a different capacity. >> trish: i'm going to wall street. $400,000 an hour or two. i'm a capitalist, i believe everybody has a right to make a living here. but how does this affect everything he stood for? what's happening to his platform? >> meghan: i couldn't love this more for a lot of different reasons. i tweeted earlier that i needed some jack daniels and popcorn to watch bernie sanders and elizabeth warren's reaction when they see that president obama was getting dirty wall street money. are they going to be hypocrites and president obama can do this and hillary clinton can't? i'm a capitalist too. as long as you're taking money in a legal way, i don't care how

you're doing it. a lot of people are saying he's a free man right now, he can do whatever he wants. oh, yeah, except you totally batch hillary clinton for doing the same thing. >> harris: hypocrisy and it also wouldn't work for her regardless. she was trying to reach a class of people that you couldn't reach down to. it was fought with all sorts of problems, the fact that her narrative included those speeches. for the noncitizen barack obama, the question is who is the head of the democratic party now? if he is, they're pick bertie sanders -- if that's the case, i guess it's fine. >> sandra: bill clinton has earned millions of dollars in speaking fees since he's left office.

it's not going to shock anybody and he won't hear anything about it. >> meghan: obama lives in this plane where they see him differently. it's why there were so many commentary about him being otherworldly. he is a new way of president. the fact that he is like a rather capitalist has to be hard for some people. >> eric: he used the term issues. the amount of time i'll be invested in the issues, he won't be able to do any speeches at goldman sachs. since he's left office, the issues he's been dealing with where windsurfing and sailing with billionaires. remember when hillary clinton said we were broke when we left office? we really laid into her about that, but you don't make a lot of money when you're in the white house. you make $400 -- $400,000 or so and you pay for your own food. the clintons were worth $100 million at the end of year one outside of the white house. i think barack obama when he had

a taste of windsurfing with a virgin atlantic ceo -- and a $65 million book deal -- >> sandra: was obama good or bad to wall street? >> meghan: bad. >> eric: if obama was asked for wall street, donald trump will be for x. >> meghan: he'll say i hate you people, but i need the benjamin's. >> eric: what's canada going to get out of obama's speech, other than, sometimes these things are as much as a paying off the top person of the company. >> harris: interesting. >> eric: there's no reason to,

unless somebody unleashes it. >> meghan: i can't wait to see the reactions, like i said. but to the core base of supporters who see him as a different kind of politician, a different kind of president, he is exactly like hillary clinton, he is exactly like the linden foundation. >> trish: the guy needs to make a living. late-night comedian slamming ivanka trump. will bc the same reaction towards the democrats? will debate it, coming up next this is brooke's yard with ugly bare spots. but scotts ez seed changes everything. our finest grass seed plus quick-start fertilizer and natural super- absorbent mulch grow grass anywhere. guaranteed. this is a scotts yard.

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>> harris: will be right here when you come back, but for now, let's go to jon scott will that's coming up in the second hour of "happening now." >> jon: in 11 minutes, we are up with this. developing story on two of the president's top legislative priorities. the details from our capitol hill team and we are awaiting an event from the secretary of commerce and treasury on the president's massive tax cut plan also an update on the speech by ann coulter at uc berkeley. will it happen? jonathan hunt has the news.

>> harris: that's a hot story. we'll see at the top of the hour. >> meghan: ivanka trump facing a tough crowd in germany. listen. >> he's been a tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them. >> you heard the reaction from the audience. >> i did, and that's been perpetuated. i know from personal experience. the >> meghan: she was right about hearing criticism from mainstream media. late-night comedians took no time at all to join in the bashing. >> in germany, ivanka told the crowd that her father is a champion of supporting families and she got booed. ivanka said she was surprised, she is told to open with a joke.

>> today, ivanka was in berlin. ivanka spoke on a panel about scaling up women's entrepreneurship. the trumpet has a long history of inspiring women. to march, to sue, to flee from a dressing room. >> meghan: i think the biggest crime against companies when it straight up not funny. i don't think it's funny. i keep thinking of chelsea clinton on the cover of magazines, making speeches, going to fancy conferences. she can do no wrong and ivanka trump can seem to do no right. >> harris: you know chelsea. >> meghan: know, i've met her.

we are not friends. i've talked trash about her. we are not friends. >> harris: two things, ivanka trump is on the arena now, and what we are seeing her do is handle her business. she handled that. she moved on. the president has a faith that his daughter can handle the corporation. we will sit back and watch her handle her business. defining her role as she goes forward might be helpful in general, i'm still curious exactly what she'll be doing, but we saw on that stage right there was something that we've all gotten one way or another. when you have a heckler in the audience, that's the equivalent to a gotcha question. she moved on smoothly. she's in the arena and she has to be tough. >> trish: she did a really good job. she pivoted very nicely, she stayed very calm, that's not easy to get that kind of response from an audience. what's unfair here is exactly

what you've said, it's a double standard. no matter what someone on the left does, it's seen as wonderful no matter what she does. forget the fact that she's run her own company, she's got three kids, she's working in the white house. this is a modern woman, but they refuse to see her as such because she's a conservative. >> meghan: i always wanted anybody to ask chelsea clinton any kind of gotcha question when her mom is running for president and ivanka trump was on msnbc and she asked her a gotcha question. do we not have video of it? a >> sandra: i know many of us have been in that interview, she has an amazing ability -- it was in a very aggressive line of questioning. she's measured, she is obviously been a very good voice for her

father, but the challenging questions and the boos from the crowd are not going to go away. i don't know that they can be handling this any differently, other than letting people know exactly what her role is in the white house. >> eric: as you know, i've known the trumps for 15. all of them. she's been donald -- she's been by donald trump's side in one form or another throughout her adult life. now she is an advisor to the trump administration. ivanka trump and jared kushner, we should all be happy that they are where they are. as far as women's issues, she is taking it upon herself to say i'm going to be championing. it's 90 something days, give them a chance for god sake. donald trump listens to ivanka. i guarantee that all the issues that she is promising will get there. just give them time.

>> sandra: we want to break in with this breaking news. this just entered the house freedom freedom caucus is announcing support for the obamacare replacement for the revised health care proposal. support from moderates and the g.o.p., obviously it's still uncertain. they just issued a statement on this saying over the past couple of months, house conservatives have worked tirelessly to improve the american health care act to make it better for the macon people. due to those improvements, the house freedom caucus has taken an official position and support of the current proposal. that's big news. we'll stay on it. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. swings. sure we could travel, take it easy... but we've never been the type to just sit back... not when we've got so much more to give

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>> thank you to eric bolling. speak of a new show, tell us all about it? >> so you know i've been at 5:00 for the last six years, i'm going to stay there, "the five" at 9:00, they are crushing it in prime time, they said, let's do something at 5:00. i will give you some quick rundown, can't talk about it or give names, take "the five," some "outnumbered," but in a bunch of opinion that mixes it around a little bit on a daily basis, you will end up closer to where we are going to be. it's going to be wildly excitin exciting. >> it is called "out five?" >> i will still do this. >> we will tune in on monday at

5:00 p.m., we are staying right here for champs-elysees overtime on the web and on facebook, facebook.com/outnumberedfnc. remember we are back on tv tomorrow at noon eastern. "happening now" starts right now. >> jenna: we start with a fox news alert, were awaiting the unveiling of the president new tax plan at the white house. >> jon: he claimed it could be the biggest tax cut ever had, what could that mean for your bottom line? were covering all of the news "happening now." the u.s. launches a missile that traveled more than 4,000 miles before splashing down in the pacific ocean. the pentagon calls it a planned exercise, but are they also sending a message to north kore north korea? also, former national security advisor michael flynn in the spotlight after failing to disclose payments from russia and turkey. raising new questions about whether he broke the law. plus... >> we great wall along the southern border. >> jon: what a top m