will be on in new york. greg gutfeld everyone. see you tomorrow. >> thanks, tucker. if that's your real name. i am greg gutfeld with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters and dana perino. you are watching "the five" ." ann coulter's berkeley speech has been canceled because she could not be protected. interesting. you have to wonder, if it were a radical liberal, would there have been an issue? it's only when you question leftist dogma that the dogs come out. call it a victory for the sharia snowflakes on campus. still blocking free speech. in fear of what, exactly?

>> i am here to protest this administration. all the lies. hopefully we will be able to find -- we have reason to believe -- >> good luck. let's assessed the safety argument. they have no problem protecting the left. imagine calling 911 and the operator says someone is on their way, unless you voted trump. the concern for violence is actually pretty real. the modern progressive movement believes that dissenting language is objectionable. which then removes the break between anger and violence. consider the simple equation, you stub your toe. what do you do? generally, you swear but imagine if you couldn't swear? what do you do? you pound the table, punch the

wall. that is what happens when languages cut out from the equation. you have violence. language turned apes like us into simple creatures. the aggressive left is reverting to cavemen. it's not going to last. the campus left now faces an opposition once stuck on message boards, cable news and talk radio. i blame it on safe spaces. by silencing speech, the new left makes life more dangerous by leaving violence as the only option. maybe that's what they want. all right, k.g., we now have a bona fide anti-free speech movement. this is now real. it's actually happening. this is the reverse. >> it is really a free-speech epidemic. it is dead at universities. that should be a place to really open your mind and listen to

other people and disagree but at least you let them speak and listen. now what we are seeing is they are using the threats of violence and saying oh, there is going to be violence so therefore we are going to cancel your speech because we believe what we think and our ideologies are superior to yours. we don't want to pollute their minds with conservative ideas. >> isn't that basically a copout? they don't want to defend or deal with this headache that is free speech? >> i don't think there is any way to defend this. to me, free speech is such an important tenet of our democrac democracy. with people like bill maher and chris matthews have said uc berkeley is out of control. if you can't do this. >> if there are left icons like those to go, how is it still happening?

the regressive left still seems to be growing. >> no, i think what you heard from the protesters, i know you admire the outfits. >> yeah, i own three. >> you look lovely. if you look. if a lot of this is anti-trump -- ann coulter by the way has written some very effective books challenging some orthodoxies that i admire but ann coulter is someone who said basically, you would think it is ridiculous. we should kill foreign leaders and invade foreign countries and convert them all to christians. the point is and this is what kimberly was saying earlier, what is wrong with the debate? i got fired, for honest statements and debates. i have written a book about this. i have scars from it. the fact is, free-speech should not be attacked by the left. it is total hypocrisy when you

see this coming from the left, even an anti-trump moment. >> i hope the chicken suit lady is a listening to you. >> the chickens coming to roost. >> jesse, it does prove that the threat of violence works. there is no denying it. they did this because he thought there was going to be trouble. they caved to the mob and the mob won and the mob is emboldened. i looked on the berkeley web site today, they have safe spaces for just about anybody. they have safe spaces for muslims, undocumented students, american indians but they don't have a safe space very conservative. the problem was, they didn't think they could protect ann coulter and i don't think they could protector either because of incompetence or they didn't want to protect her. either way, the mob won and even the aclu is fixed up for ann

coulter. they could have beefed up a security presence. they could have brought in bikers for trump. >> that would have provoked people. >> now berkeley looks weak because they could not handle i it. >> i imagine they were worried about what happened outside of the campus on the street but that still -- that's why you have a law enforcement. dana, berkeley gets taxpayer money, i am a proud alumni. or alumnus? >> they have disavowed you by that. >> i donated nothing to that college. anyway. berkeley should provide security. they are a public school. >> this whole thing is really bizarre. when you were talking about in your monologue about violence,

that is what terrorists do. terrorists use violence to advance their political agenda. that is actually the textbook of what they do. i think that this is very similar to that. i'm not saying the left are terrorists but that is the same name. it's exactly what our founding fathers knew would be a problem. if you had free-speech, you could advance the society and grow the greatest country the world has every seen. i am sure these students would march for other countries free-speech rights. >> there are some countries that infringe on rights they don't really care about. >> lake sharia law. >> if there was a note that said hey, wait, let's get together and we will fight and march more people's rights -- women's rights in saudi arabia -- would they show up? >> i don't know. they would show up if you said let's march for women's rights

in trump land in if the world is going to hell under trump, but women are being stoned and executed in this country but it's not under trump so -- >> if anybody should have a little more of a global understanding of how to protect free speech and his students, you think it would be her. uc berkeley and uc davis -- oh, please, top 3% in the country. berkeley has always been known as the beacon, the shining light of free speech. all the protests and marches, what they want to be censored? i am so sorry, it's just too expensive to hear you talk. >> by listening to all of you, i am so proud tonight that you are standing up for free-speech. i remember when people at those trump rallies used to say thing

like oh, they would punch them and knock them down. >> those were paid protesters. >> when you guys went up a conversation about things like debt and deficit, oh, don't talk about it, let's not bring that up. >> how about when police abuse their power and her and kill black people? oh, let's not talk about it. no. >> i think we did a segment every day for the summer last year. >> always say is oh, copyright and if you really want to -- the silent majority is conservative and silencing just as much. >> why would you think we would take the side of the police because the mainstream media doesn't so we are providing the fair and balanced approach? we aren't fair, what we are trying to do is actually provide fairness in the greater in

context of the news. that is why we say enough with law enforcement. >> you think the middle class in america doesn't like the police? i think they love it. >> oh, my gosh. >> let them have space to riot situation, those are the orders from the cops. the campus police are operating under stand down orders. they can't engage unless someone's life is in imminent danger. they let this chaos explode. if they had been tougher in the beginning, none of this would have happened. >> let's take us back to the '70s, when ronald ronald reagas governor. >> now it becomes anything goes. they riot and break the law. they commit acts of violence. destruction of property. >> those people should be arrested. >> the cops should move in and take care of it. that is enforcing the law and that is what makes public safety work and community safe and

protect your rights. >> i agree. >> dana? >> i didn't mean to avoid a christen earlier. this is taxpayer taxpayer-fund. 60% of graduates are not ready to take the jobs that are available. we have a better economy and if they can't actually do the jobs that are available to them. that is what universities should be thinking about. being able to handle your emotions -- whatever happened to just not going to a speech if you don't like it? >> that's true. that's what you do. the threat of violence was how socialist and communist countries kept people from protesting. they are the same countries that leftists romanticize. venezuela is crumbling but you don't even hear about it. the product of a socialist

country, people dying. a horrible system. >> we need to go. >> we need to do a segment on that. >> it is california versus trump. the golden state and the president over the attempt to clamp the sanctuary cities. that's next. i'm only in my 60's.

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>> the battle lines are drawn. over sanctuary cities. the president is -- it would strip funding to sanctuary cities. president trump calls the ruling ridiculous and promises to fight it all the way. >> i am never surprised by the ninth circuit. [laughter] >> we will see them in the supreme court. >> the house also slammed the ruling saying cities like san francisco have the blood of

dead americans on their hand. the city attorney disagrees. >> i think it's outrageous. unfortunately, the president and the attorney general have sought to justify their executive order by politicizing tragic deaths of individuals for political gain. instead of focusing on the value that sanctuary cities give to promoting cooperation between law enforcement and communities, to actually keep communities and streets safer. >> the city attorney was city attorney when i was first lady of san francisco. he has been in office quite a long time. greg, you are a bay area boy. what you think about this issue? >> i am okay with your sanctuary city if you will be okay with mine. who is to say that your illegality is somehow acceptable but let's say i want to do a kind of substance in public? why can't i do that? maybe i don't want to pay taxes?

why is there not a sanctuary city that allows me to be away from that prosecution? there is a hypocrisy. this actually discriminates against citizen felons. what about people who are citizens who break the law? somehow they are more punished but if you are illegal, come here? no sanctuary for you. >> i find your empathy for the legal criminals -- dana, what do you think? >> the president should ask for an expedited review for the supreme court. now that neil gore such as a supreme court justice, instead of making the nation wait for several years possibly for this to get solved by the supreme court, i think this

question about sanctuary cities -- we need to clarify it now. it could be better for trump and citizens, felons or not. and for people that are here illegally. let's get some clarity. also, i would say there has been some misreporting and exaggeration when it comes to the concerned that the federal government would cut off funds for cities. this does not include things like medicaid. it is actually just for grants and the like. i think the white house could do a better job of explaining that. but the misreporting on that has fueled the concern. >> what about jesse, president trump's concerns -- and one of the allegation us? >> the judge bundled $200,000 for president obama and $600,000

for president carrie. i don't see that reported by the way. the -- i wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes eric holder is trying to tell these lawyers to file here, file there, until these appeals get circulated up until the ninth. this is the ground year for the trump resistance. exploiting these victims of crime, kate died in san francisco. two sanctuary cities, trayvon martin. the democrats more hoodies. for mike brown, they did to hands don't shoot. i don't understand why san francisco wouldn't want to

make sure there are no more cates. >> i don't know anybody who wouldn't want it. this is not bad, jesse. this is all about politicizing the idea that all these crimes being committed by illegal immigrants when in fact the statistics and even by conservative organizations don't support that idea. oh, they are terrible, the ones who commit all the crimes. horrible language that should not have been allowed in the first place. it plays out here. let's talk about what the judge actually said. he has an argument that is not politicized. he said spending powers belong to the congress, not to the executive. you can't have an executive saying -- donald trump said we are going to use this as a weapon against people who have a difference on this policy and the judge says you can't do

that. you can't use funding as a weapon in the executive branch. if you want to change the law, go to the congress. >> that is my point that has been exaggerated from the left. it is not your medicaid or social security money. but about the grants -- they might have an argument there but there is a distinction. >> once and for all, can i just destroy juan's constant comparison between illegal immigrant crime and there's a lot of competing statistics on that. and the federal level, illegal immigrants do not commit as much crime as legal immigrants and you look at state locals, it's different. the question itself is irrelevant. it would be like saying men, vastly outdo women in terms of violent crime. that doesn't mean you simply dismiss women that commit crimes. the argument of comparing to statistics are irrelevant.

if you have the option of preventing some, prevent them. or punish. >> they have already broken the law to be begin with by being n the country. when we return, a big day in washington. donald trump reveals his highly anticipated tax reform deals. we will see what it means for you, next.

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updated. up late. what do you see? >> the house is saying 20% is as low as they want to go. you remember on the campaign trail and during the transition, president trump talked about the reduction of the corporate tax rate, maybe 15-20%. it is shoot for the moon and stars and to settle for moon. not giving wealthy people as much as a tax break as he had planned to earlier. there are some people at the white house that would have liked to see taxes on the wealthy go up. >> wealthy people will probably be happy with the corporate tax reduction. we will take it around the table. kimberly, we will go to you. >> one of the biggest fallouts

from the announcement, what were the detractors -- what did they not like the most? >> conservatives do not like this idea, adding to the deficit. implementing out massive tax cuts. they don't like the idea of the 15% tax rate and of course the democrats are sticking with their mantra, if this is just a giveaway to the rich, they are not going to sign onto it. it would appear the president has made adjustments to make this in favor of lower income people. for the first $24,000 in income, they would not be taxed at all. there are some things to come through negotiations as well in terms of child care tax credit, that sort of thing. the president making sure here that middle and lower income earners to get their share of the tax cuts but still the democrats will say you are giving free points to rich people. >> it really does open and him up that chart, by goldman sachs,

for goldman sachs type people. you have to rely on the assumption that somehow because you have tax cuts, there will be tremendous growth in the economy and that will take care of the fact that he doesn't have any compensation in terms of new revenue sources. is that a flawed analysis a question mark >> no, that is an analysis, juan, that's why conservatives don't want to see this blow a hole in the deficit and ultimately the debt. if you can do that, then you can permanently write these tax regulations into law. with the bush tax cuts, they were not revenue neutral and therefore the sunset after ten years. i think the president would like to put his stamp on tax reform. something that hasn't been done in this generation.

it could become permanent after ten years. >> jesse watters. >> you touched on that earlier, john. it seems like the tax-cut proposals are tailored to middle income and lower income earners and families. when i saw the initial brackets come out, i am thinking my god, that is not very big at all. he was probably thinking enormous tax cuts. that may not deliver the boom that the economy would necessarily result in but it looks like this is more tailor-made for voters in order to be reelected with the 24% nontaxable income for families, being eliminated for small business, is there political consideration behind its reductions? >> no, jesse. there is never a political consideration -- [laughter] >> absolutely. there is a huge political consideration here. there are tax breaks for income

earners, individual income earners. no question about that but that is really geared towards corporations because corporate taxes have not come down in decades. the idea that he wants to cut business taxes from 35 to 15%, that hasn't been done in a long, long time jesse. it's trying to spur the economy by helping businesses grow and the white house has also said that smaller businesses as well will get the same tax breaks as corporations. we have a two track tax reform plan here. one on the business side, one on the personal side with an indication that hey, we're going to give more than people thought we were to lower and middle income earners. on the high end, his additional tax rate he was proposing a year ago was 25% for the highest bracket. he's come up ten points for that. >> that is what i was hoping for. >> greg gutfeld. >> john, let me indulge for a second. i want to read a letter from

janet. she said hi, greg. this plan stinks for the 40% of americans who earn between 30000-90,000 a year. it will increase our tax burden. that leads me to my next question, if you'll indulge me. consider the logic of the tax cut. it stimulates the economy, puts more money in your pocket which you spend. if we have people in the white house who believe that debt really doesn't matter, if we declare 2018 a tax holiday for everybody, nobody pays a dime of taxes, all we do is add $1.6 trillion to the debt -- we don't care because it is not like we see it and we get to benefit from this $1.6 trillion added to the debt and imagine that spending in the economy and investing, what do you make of

that? [laughter] >> there is a lot of math in there. that really wasn't my strong point. >> why not just have a tax holiday for a year? why not add that to the debt, because we don't care? >> that is the uc berkeley talking. >> by implementing a tax holiday, you don't rewrite the laws or reform tax. you get nothing done on the scoreboard. this president's goal is to put money into people's pockets for a long period of time. as much as i applaud your tax holiday and i will be happy to sign on to that, i -- >> rudy giuliani who would do in new york. >> it was well for people that were buying clothes, a regional tax holiday. >> same time, same place. maybe we will talk about health care. >> just before i close out, i was talking and there may

actually be a vote in the house on setting rules for debate on the health care plan so the white house hasn't completely given up on the idea that they could get a vote on that this week. if they don't get a vote this week, certainly the next week. >> him are calling for barack obama -- calling him a hypocrite. we will tell you why, when we come back. if you have medicare

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wall street. we are not trying to push financial reform because we begrudged success unfairly earned. i do think at a certain point, you have made enough money. >> you are not going to wall street to make a lot of money? >> and i am not going to wall street. >> fox news confirmed that it barack obama will make $400,000 by giving a speech to, you guessed it, wall street. a spokesman for obama dissented the big payday claiming that he successfully passed wall street reform than any presidential candidate in history. greg, i really don't care that obama is making money on wall street. it's just the hypocrisy were he said on tape that is not what he was going to do. >> that is the nature of life. free-market and politics

together create hypocrites. you can't sustain a limited free economic mind forever. sooner or later you want to make money. he is not the only hypocrite, remember president trump said he would drain the swamp and the swamp he drained was goldman sachs. i am a free-market guy. whatever the free market will bear, get what you can. if you can get $400,000, take i it. >> all right, all right, all right. >> why do i care what he makes? >> he can do whatever he wants, right? it is the hypocrisy. >> that is not when he was meaning. in an oval office interview, that means you are not going to work for some big hedge fund. or a wall street firm. of course he was going to give speeches. i'm just saying the guy is going

to be rich. for the rest of his life. >> no matter what. >> he spent his most productive years, he did those in public service. now he is going to go and see what the market will pay him. >> how much money is too much money, juan? these guys don't need that much money. how much is too much? he signed a $16 million book deal. how much money does he need? >> i don't know how much he needs. greg and dana's point are well taken. that is what the market is offering him. i get paid to give speeches. i shouldn't say you shouldn't take the money. what is interesting to me is when you look back at, hillary clinton speech became a big item. why don't you release them, hillary? when they came out she said hey, you know what? the little guy thinks the system is raked. they don't like it and they think it is wrong.

the association now is somehow poisoned, i can't believe it comes from the right. >> i am totally fine with -- >> should we ask elizabeth warren or bernie sanders what they think? >> that would be pretty interesting. they have been pretty good this week because they have been supporting ann coulter to speak at berkeley. good there. but in terms of president obama, look. he deserves that. he was president of the united states. let him go out there. whatever anyone wants to pay him, he certainly has a lot of friends in the banking industry. and also for the former first lady. >> wait till you find out that michelle obama could actually probably get more. >> oh. i don't think the president would mind. more money in the joint account. >> you will never guess who ted cruz wants to pay for the wall. find out next.

>> the debate over who will pay for donald trump's border wall,

ted cruz has a novel idea. he has introduced the bill saying that it should be paid by joaquin guzman, el chapo. >> it so happens coincidently that the estimated cost of the wall is between $14,000,000,000.20 billion. any proceeds that are forfeited from el chapo or from any other drug lords should be spent on the wall. >> why do you ask me? make him supreme court justice so we don't have to hear him tell us things he heard from somebody else. by the way, people are at -- >> wow, what a hater. >> people use the wall now as an exercise in cleverness.

oh, let's charge and put solar panels. no, that it's an idea? dominic. >> they are desperate. they want to save donald trump from his own rhetoric. >> juan, juan. wait a second. we do have a wall, metaphorically we have seen border crossings dropped dramatically. it simply because there is a new bartender at the bar not giving away free drinks. >> so by law, are these already designated to the justice department? they would need to enact the law to redirect the el looto from el chapo. thank you, darling. >> it's a nice idea. a congressman who filed a similar bill in february. you put el chapo on it and it is a good p.r. story. i do think that because the

money goes to the general treasury, you have to find a way -- >> nobody ever takes the next step to figure out what to do. it's a clever idea. >> there are some real legitimate ideas. when you do renegotiate, you can get proceeds that way. you can do a border crossing thing. pay little tax there. these fees the fees, you could do an import tax. there are legitimate ways to do it. >> we call it an import tax but i don't want a terrorist. >> what are you buying so much from mexico, corona? >> the point is, a tariff hurts americans. >> he has a really good point. >> the chattering class, by that i mean the boys.

it will all take a very long time. i think we should just ask china to pay for the wall. [laughter] >> i think you are trying to burst my bubble. kimberly we are having fun. >> juan, you have to look at a lot of the stuff trump does -- it's like expecting a caterpillar to fly. it's not happening yet. he's in the beginning stages. >> the man that has a unicorn -- >> it will take time. at the idea of saying where is it? maybe it is coming but you have to give it time. that is what the 100 a marker is silly, an arbitrary figure.

it's like eating a green banana. >> didn't he say he was going to do it all in 100 days? that is what he said. donald trump, we are giving you a chance, buddy. if you get four more years. >> oh, juan. wow. he's hiding a card! it's time for you and your boys to get out of town. (laughing) left foot. right foot. left foot. stop. twitch your eyes so they think you're crazy. if you walk the walk you talk the talk. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. hide the eyes. it's what you do. show 'em real slow.

>> time for "one more thing." at jesse >> check this out. >> ball gets away.

racing to the plate. the throw is... not in time. an incredible -- >> do it again! >> he leaps over him. >> wow. >> but i'm saying he touched him with his leg. an incredible feat. >> wow. so hot. >> did you say "so hot?" >> if you go in, they dropped the ball. >> very good, i'm glad he didn't run him over. i am taking a vacation with my family. i will not be here tomorrow, try not to miss me too much. k.g. will be hosting my show on saturday. >> camera, look at me.

greg's disturbing news. if their children or elderly sweethearts, please leave the room. what i'm going to show you is extremely shocking. what we have here is a baby to toed sloth. just born at the memphis zoo. her name is lou, a female. her parents are marilyn and sparky. who knew they had such normal names? she likes to cling to a stuffed elephant because she doesn't have any friends, i guess. interesting fact, dana, much like you -- they are very small. but they spend most of their lives upside down. they hang from trees. you do a lot of pilates. >> i do do that. that is how you finish the class in a pilates routine. you hang upside down. >> i just do soulcycle in a bodysuit. come on through. all right, juan is next.

>> i was in the land of smoke 's last week. i was in panama with my wife. and some cousins. there is my grandson, seven years old. bugs and sloths where the theme of being in the jungle. >> i haven't seen the jungle ye yet. >> that is a rhinoceros beetle. there is my daughter. >> we have 90 seconds. it kimberly. >> i can't go there, i don't think. let's do this, and very fun, fantastic news of american royalty, happy birthday to the first lady of the united states of america, melania trump. look at this photo. i love it. >> april 26 is a good day for her birthday. >> she is 47 years young in washington today. happy birthday to you.

>> happy birthday. >> i love books. there is independent bookstore in france, it found a very clever way to engage in social media. they take people who are working in the store and put them with the covers of the book. this is an independent store started in 1896 and they are trying to figure out a way to keep up with all the new ways to keep people coming into the store. i love this. i thought it was a perfect match up. look at that. >> i question the reasoning of doing "one more thing" on a french bookstore. nobody is going to go there, dana. >> oh, my god. >> you are so mean. why don't we celebrate independent bookstores and then an independent bookstore in nashville could do something similar? >> why don't you say that they hand showing an obscure french bookstore? >> you showed a two toed sloth. they have sticky hands. people like that.

that is their defense system. set your dvrs you never miss an episode of "the five." we will be back here at 9:00 >> bret: this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier for the second hour of "special report." we have new fox polls on a host of questions tonight. including president trump's job approval rating. on a very busy day in washington. president trump and his administration rolling out his tax reform package. calling it the biggest tax cuts in history. he is also dealing with north korea, china, iran, sanctuary cities here at home. and by the way, the u.s. government funding runs out in 54 hours. all of this comes as the latest fox news poll shows the job approval rating at 45% with 48% disapproving. those numbers are slightly better for him than last month. but fewer people think the