>> sean: i really needed that. have something to say? nice, mean, it doesn't matter. call the number on your screen. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." america, the country, is as divided as has been and 150 years, since the civil war. right and left loved an entirely different countries in many ways, rarely encounter one another personally. they live in different cities, read different books, have different hobbies.ve they even eat different foods increasingly. at the political level, state and local d governments don't jt enact federal policy, they actively defy it. eight states totally ignore the federal ban on marijuana, leading citizens grow and use it with impunity. telling cities to ignore the

immigration laws. can we salvage the functional nation from two groups that despise each other? it's a real question. joining us tonight as a former new york city public advocate. he recently founded a shadow cabinet to oppose every action of the tromp administration. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you. congratulations. >> you have left my career go. talent plusen lock. i am walking on both. >> tucker: i have known you for a long time and i don't agree with your politics but i think you are smart and thoughtful. i want to talk you broughtht ths benefit wow specifically. there are always debates between the stateo and federal governmt as to who ought to have authority. that is the tension and the separation of powers, what you are seeing now seems to be different profoundly so. you have entire states, california among them, saying we don't recognize federal authority in important ways.

depending on what side you're on, that looks like the first couple of steps between permanent division. >> ipe completely agree with yor opening, that we have not been as politically and culturally divided since the civil war. but do you blame the framers, as you implied, they built in a dispersion, not a concentration, power, between state and federal, you had to fightrt it t on particular issues. of course, three branches of government. right now, we have one party controlling all three branches in a sense. when you say that both partiesin kind of have been doing this, what is different, the country is divided on marijuana legalization, they were against her 20 years ago, now, they are for it. states vying. we have change roles. of course, under obama, federal overreach, we got to stop it. t the tenth amendment. now, we have states saying, no,

no, no. we have to stop president trump from overreaching when it comes to a muslim ban that he said wasn't but every judge has said it is. every time he is in court, he appears to lose and then the bluster and attack the judiciar judiciary. a sore loser. >> tucker: i get the rhetorical point you are making. here is what is different about what we have seen in previous generations. these are issues -- they are not being foughtnd out, argued over, debated in the congress, which is where t they ought to be. if you don't like the federal ban on possession of marijuana, change the law. you can change the law. lead a crusade to do so. that is not what is happening. the states are saying i don't recognize your authority. that hasn't happened since the civil war. one of the things that precipitated the civil war and i would think, as a student of american history, you would see the consequences and doing it again. >> nothing is like slavery. you'll admit that.

let's take the modern examples. it's not that democrats and california or elsewhere are saying, we will go our own way, sorry. the judges who unanimously ruled against trumps ban travel ban won into cited him as -- you can tighten the borders to keep us safe. by the president can't say it is based on religion and then they believe it's not. that is why he lost. >> tucker: he were arguing the legal case, which is separate. i think i could crush you. we are not debating that. what we are debating now --dash go >> lost in court, -- >> tucker: what we are behaving now is the behavior of states and municipalities, not judges, politicians who areaw saying, i don't acknowledge the validity of your law, the power of your law. a sanctuary city is saying to the federal government, of laws that were based on a bipartisan

basis, i am just not acknowledging it. that has not happened. >> happens all the time. the constitutional law professor of harvard is among us in shadowing trump. several months ago, he said to sanctuaryt cities, the regulatin that trump is imposing, we will find you and deny certain anti-crime monies on the sea cooperate with us and affecting people who are allegedly here illegally. he said they will lose that. you can't coerce a locality to do something unlawful based on money with another program. well, the judge agreed with him. tucker, one more point. >> tucker: you are ignoring my point, we are not talking about the ruling of judges. we are talking about individual politicians. thatat is something without rect precedents. to speak of the refugee ban wasn't because it immoral.d the president used a religious status.

>> tucker: you are arguing a parallel and different case. i am saying that mayors who say that we are sanctuary cities, and contravention of federal law, saying we are are our in country. we are not subject to the laws passed in washington. >> you are exaggerating. here is what is going on that is radical. forgive me. trump is legally the president, courtesy of the electoral college favoring rural states to get the constitutional convention passed. and courtesy perhaps of james comey and putin.eg >> tucker: you're smarter than that.. >> let me finish. he is legally the president but he is such a blustery demagogue who utters these simplicities and he says, i am right. let's see what the courtst' say. one-third less popular than any other president. >> tucker: this is not a relevant point. you are putting on display the problem itself. you are not actually engaging with the core question, which is, can california behave like

its own country without consequence? >> that's a polemical statement. >> tucker: a yes, they are. >> two judges said that those two bans were illegal. you want to and wow ignore that? we have a radical, extremist president who was hated by a majority of the public. guess what, democrats -- >> tucker: let me ask you a philosophical question. i have heard everything you have said so many times. let me ask you something that no one has ever answered. here is my question. we are letting in morere i immigrants, and we have more immigrants than any country that any country has ever voluntarily admitted. i'm not saying it is bad, but i am saying it is a source of division. how should we assimilate them? newcomers should be taught what? the language, history, culture? how do we keep this country united? >> tucker, you know that the

rate of crime among refugees enter this country -- >> tucker:ke that's not what i'm saying. >> it is less than that of domestic. the net immigration from mexico is zero -- >> tucker: you're not answering the question. >> you always say that. trump campaigned inside to 600 million -- >> tucker: i am saying that countries in which people who live in the country and have nothing in common tend to break apart. we have more people in this country with less uncommon than any time in american t history. what will we do what about that? >> has there ever been a president ever as divisive as donald trump? he attacks the media as enemies of the people. yes or no? >> tucker: he just has a bad effect on some people and i would put you in that category. think about the assimilation question. mark, thank you for joining us. >> i will. thank you. >> tucker: you can see right police standing by even now in

berkeley, and california, where conservative author ann coulter were supposed to give a speech today. if you want proof that america is hurtling toward real division over ideas and culture, look no further than what we are looking at right now. left-wing students and activist made it perfectly clear they are incapable of coexisting with alternative views. remember when milo yiannopoulos tried to visit in february and this happened? >> [bleep]! [chanting]

>> tucker: this week, ann coulter was forced to cancel a speech because the school would not provide a venue or a time and it was just too unsafe. you can tell there was some exaggeration looking at those pictures. as he can see, despite the cancellation, as hundreds of have taken to the streets anyway. riot police are trying to give the situation under control. ann coulter's in san francisco and she joins us now. ann, just clarify for us, there has been a lot written about it, why were you not able to speak at berkeley? >> well, they changed the rulesi every 10 minutes. i kept agreeing to all of their conditions. they were hoping i would cancel. but no matter how -- i would get it from a hot air balloon at three in the morning, and i kept saying okay, whatever you want. then, they up and canceled. they randomly rescheduled it. then, my allies turn tail and ran at the last minute when i m think we were about to achieve total victory.

i didn't have any sponsors. i didn't have berkeley. >> tucker: your sponsors -- >> berkeley canceled, my sponsors acquiesced. >> tucker: is it fair to say bottom line att the threat of violence is what prevented you from speaking? >> that is what berkeley claimed, of course, -- [laughs] that is why we have a police force. that insane press conference that berkeley administrators and captain alec see how come i think his name was, with a berkeley last week, the police captain's argument was that we can't have ann coulter, there will be violence. i don't know. call a cop. what is your job? [laughs] it's like you are on a plane that is about to take off in the pilot says, how my supposed to get this thing across the country? that is your job. >> tucker: it's your protectt your right to say what you think.

what would you have said? i guess it is too late now. but you have a venue right here. what would you say? >> you are airing it exclusivel exclusively, my seditious and hateful speech was going to be a speech onn immigration. but the main point of which was, federal written law about immigration developed over... my generations should be enforced. >> tucker: that was it? >> that was the overall theme. >> tucker: i agree with you emphatically. w you were just going to say existing laws should be enforce enforced. >> it's topical to this week, i started a tweet today that i will be sending out every morning as we watch the news, the border wall updates,

100 miles built today, number of miles built since the inauguration, zero. i'm a little annoyed, the campaign promise that shook up the political world, you would think if you are someone like paul ryan, after spending the entire trump campaign trying to undermine drum, and still, to have him elected,te and elected in a pretty stunning victory, winning wisconsin, paul ryan's home state, something republicans have been won 20 years, including paul ryan from wisconsin was on the ticket, he would think the day after november 8th, november 9th, paul ryan wakes up and things i will start working on the signature promise that just won donald trump the election. and not delay until april 27th toto say that we will have to dp something from the wall.

we don't want a government shutdown. i wrote in my column this week, they arewa not funding a wall to avoid a government shutdown. not having a wall is the definition of a government shutdown. the basic purpose of government is to keep us safe. if we can't protect our borders, i would say that is a government shutdown. >> tucker: it does seem like a pretty basic question. a ann coulter, you always have a place to talk. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: something brand-new seems to be going on with free speech on campus and in thisl country. here, charles krauthammer. charles. when you are in the middle of something like this, things are going crazy, the question is, is this really a new thing? i have never seen anything like this. >> we saw some of it in the '60s, when the university administrators, the famous case at cornell, a riot with students carrying guns.

by and large, administrations are supine and still are. the danger here is, we are reaching a situation where thugs, and for that matter, violence, but basically fascist gangs to shut down free speech. we talked about how dividedhe things are, even with what we eat and what we read. the one thing that he was due unitas, even in the bitterest of times in the '60s, people would say things like, i don't believe or support anything you say but you have the right to say it. that was a cliche. it almost became something that was s so obvious. where has not gone? if you can't have the government guaranteeing the safety of speech, then we have lost the fundamental tenets of our society. if there's anything that you nights has, believe in the first amendment, believe in free

speech. what makes us unique? liberty and freee speech. if you can't get agreement on defending that, the obligation of any authority right now is to say ann coulter can speak and we will protect her. that is why we pay the taxes, that is why we have police. we are not going to allow fascist gangs -- this all started in europe and the '20s in '30s, they would literally obliterate their opponents to the point where they became dominant. game over. thisli is not mussolini. nonetheless, it is veryca disturbing that in america, somebody cannot speak because there are thugs that threaten them. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. when i was a kid, i was reading a liberal magazine, i think r everyone at the time would agree with you just said. where are those people?

where is the reasonable, sensible left to defend ann coulter's right?ou >> mark green is a very smart guy. he hasy had official positions n the government in new york city. he has run for theor mayor. it happens to the best of them. >> tucker: [laughs] >>e he was pretending that we don't really havee a president. he is a divider. i don't like him so i don't have to respect his authority. this is nuts. this doesn't happen. i think it is a sign of -- of the left will not stand up for their principles, we have a president, he is elected, he has authority, legitimate authority, we proceed from there, we have free speech, we should be able to speak and not get shut down. if we can't have agreement on most principles, we are in a

dangerous situation. civilization doesn't have enough confidence in its own righteousness in the end, we are all about floss, if we don't have that kind of civilization consciousness, we are done. >> tucker: i agree with you 100%. thank you. >> you are feeling really bad? i am still a licensed psychiatrist, i'm happy to write you a prescription. >> tucker: [laughs] it you are the only one i get pills from, doctor, thank you. in the last year and a half, eight high school kids have been murdered in s long island. what is needed to destroy the deadly skiing in america? also, robbing more taxpayer dollars. he joins us in a minute to explain. ♪ hat. gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes.

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♪ >> the justice department has zero tolerance for gang violence. transnational criminal organizations like ms-13 represent one of the gravest threats to our american safety. if you are a gang member, we will find you. we will devastate your networks, we willl starve your revenue sources, deplete your ranks, and to seize your. >> tucker: that is attorney general jeff sessions vowing to take many prisoners in the crackdown against ms-13, the street gang. tomorrow, the attorney general will be visiting long island, where the gang is suspected of murdering 15 people, including eight high school students. yesterday, new yorkin announced that several state police will be joining an fbi task force.

steve, thanks for coming on. >> great to be back, tucker. >> tucker: a lot of questions to ask. the first one is, why now? ms-13 is not a new phenomenon. where was the federal government to three years ago? >> the federal government three years ago was allowing tens of thousands, scores of thousands of unaccompanied minors to come over the southernn border. then, started allocating them throughout the nation.n. 4,000 of whom were settled in communities on long island. many of us warned back then, this is a major mistake. who thinks it's a good idea out there that you will have 4,000 young people without parents, going into a community, and that will be either a financial or a safety perspective? we have 12 young people dead over thet last year. not only because of that, but for other reasons that have been

total failures on the part of local and federal governments. we see a change now with the new administration. i think this attorney general is very serious about enforcing our borders on cracking these gangs. they can do it alone. they need help from the locals. >> tucker: what you just said, i am sitting here and all, the idea that he would move unaccompanied teenagers into tight concentrations, clusters, and hope for the past, seems demented. did anybody at the time say, wait a second, common sense addresses is a bad idea? >> so many of us did. a we warned that these things would happen. it was politicalun correctness n amok. now, youhe have the attorney general coming and saying, we have to try to deal with this. of the 13 people who were collared by local officials, police, for these crimes in the last year, ten of them are undocumented. at seven of them came here through that unaccompanied minor program. so, the attorney general wants

to do something about it. if you need local cooperation. the same county administration that, five years ago, said that they no longer wanted to work with the fbi in dealing with gangs. it was a disaster. it allowed for ms-13 to reconstitute itself. fortunately, that heinous polity.my policy has been reversed. a lot of damage has been done. they are talking about meeting up with the attorney general and giving him a laundry list of various programs that they want defunded. that is fine. tucker, we have to make sure we don't have it so much sociology 101 that we forget the law enforcement 101. the first list they should give to the attorney general is a list of every criminal illegal alien as of the incarcerated and challenge him to have them departed if they committed a violent crime immediately upon their term ending. go back five years and find all the other gang members who were incarcerated and get them out of here, too, if they are here

illegally. >> tucker: liberals are in favor of data except when it applies to immigration. lastdo question. we tend to gauge the destructiveness of a group like ms-13 by the murder rate because it is the easiest to keep track of. there has to be a lot of other effects. if you live in suffolk county and you have gang activity in your neighborhood, what does that mean for you? >> parents, students, they are terrified. these gangs take control over the schools. they threaten families. it is quite atrocious.re they are feeling they are getting a free ride because of this political correctness that is really handcuffing us from going after these guys and getting them out of there. the community wants them out of there.ct if the elected officials representing the community, that are actually applying policies that are to the detriment of the people they are representing. >> tucker: as we see that story every single day in d.c. steve, thanks a lot for joining us tonight. >> thank you, tucker.

>> tucker: up next, congress is poised to deny money for the border wall. we will ask a democratic member of congress by the wall is so bad. plus, tim daly is here to explain why you want to keep funding the arts to the tune of several hundred million dollarsg a year. stay tuned for that conversatio conversation. for fewer interruptions from the amazing things you do every day. live claritin clear. every day. from my sweet dreams? thanks to tena, not tonight! only tena overnight underwear ...with its secure barrier system gives you.... ...triple protection from leaks, odor and moisture. tena lets you be you

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seriously, it costs too much. people totally unwilling to assess this. what is it really about the wall that makes democrats mad enoughv >> i can't speak for everybody but i'll say what affects me for somebody that lives on the border all my life. first of all, we believe in homeland security. we want to see homeland security. but we want to have a homeland security that really works. a wall or a fence can't provide from tactical assistance. no f's no butts. especially in areas like arizona where you can step from one way to the other. we have a river, the thing is, we can secure the border by having technology, aero stats, 24-hour night and a camera, sensors, cameras, more personnel. i want to see more border patrols. we have too know how to secure the border because after all, we spent about $18 billion a year

on total border security. >> tucker: here is what i am confused by. i have spent a lot of time in your district, right on the border. there is a lot of border security. youyo always see border patrol jeeps going by, blimps in the air to provide aerial surveillance, yet, you talk to the landowners and they are finding dead people, immigrants, on their people all the time. there is no stopping people from coming across.ec it's not working. why wouldld we expect it would i work under your plan? >>l i will tell you what. if you equate a border to border security, you have a wall and you think that is the only place to secure the wall, we will have some differences. i will tell you why i think the wall has some problems. first of all, we'll talk about private property rights, number one. the other thing, let's say you bet the most beautiful wall. homeland security will tell you that over 40% of the people we have here, 11 or 12 million undocumented aliens, came in through a legal permit or visa. if you put them all off, they

will fly over, they will go on a ship, or they will drive across a bridge and a wall is not going to stop them. we have to do enforcement also. we have to look at a comprehensive -- cost me when i don't think anyone is suggesting that the wall will solve every problem we have. this has been going on for generations. we don't know how many people are here illegally. we don't know. we can only guess. congress has done nothing about it. a lot of people believe it is because employers don't want congress to do anything about it because they want cheap labor. why should any vote or have trust that you guys will secure it after failing to do so for decades? >> it sounds like you are pushing for immigration reform. actually, if you look at immigration reform without getting into the details, three points. >> tucker: employers looking for cheap labor support? >> first, border security is one factor. second of all, you need a guest worker plan that works. third, what do you do about the

11 or 12 million undocumented persons that you have? let me go back to the guest worker plan. senator jeff fleck and i were on the same page on this. if people that come in and work and they go back, a lot of people just want toe come in and work, you can provide that, those jobs for the people, for americans who don't want to do their job. if border patrol would not have to worry about those people looking for a job because they will go back on a guest worker plan, then, they can focus on the bad people that are trying to hurt us. >> tucker: with respect, we have been through this conversation literally for a generation on immigration reform. most people support in theory, it is the practice that scares everybody. congress is unwilling to secure the border. it's a simple ask for the publia to the lawmakers. i tell us he was coming in and out. account for the people here. to secure the border. yet, it has never been done. i don't understand why. the only explanation is you don't want to be done. >> look, remember, when i first

started here, the republicans had to the presidency, just like they do right now. president bush, a republican congress, both the senate, they had an opportunity to do that. >> tucker: they didn't want tono do it because the donors didn't want them to. that's true. >> what i amho saying is, we got to find a way to do this in a bipartisan way. if we talk about immigrationy, reform. now, border security, this is what we need to look at it in my opinion. let's listen to the men and women on the border.. men and women on the border, border patrols, they will tell you this is where you will have cameras, there might be some places, very, very diplomatically, there might be some places where you might have some tactical fencing and bordey patrol will tell you that. i understand that. but to come in and say you havee to build this beautiful wall all from shining sea to shining seas it's not going to happen. as the one last question.

you say we need to listen to the border patrol? they have a union? today endorsed hillary? >> no. they endorsed me. >> tucker: they also endorsed donald trump. what did he run on? he ran on the wall. if we will listen to them, why aren't we building a wall that they desired? >> if you listen to the border patrol, i work with them, 31 border patrol in my area that have done a lot to secure the border. if you talk to them, a lot of times they want over time so they could do their job, number one, number two they want equipment. you are laughing but it's true. >> tucker: they vote for donald trump, who ran on the wall. i'm getting confused. >> the wall is -- >> tucker: all i am doing is following your advice and listening to the border patrol, who clearly want a wall. you need to talk to them about that. >> i have talked to them. >> tucker: [laughs] congressman, thanks for joining us.ti who could resist supporting it?

tonight's reality check goes out toto members of the house intelligence committee. you may recall that a mere month ago democrats were outraged whel intelligence chairman devin nunes was allowed to privately review documents that indicated national security advisor at the time, susan rice, had deliberately unmasked the names of donald trump'ste associates were spied upon. they tried to hell and to hounded nunes from office and complained they were being kept in the dark. according to a new report, now that those documents have been made available, apparently no longerare interested in reading them. there are nine democrats on the committee, but only two of them have bothered to look at the documents. you would think with their privileged position they would want to see all relevant information that relates to their claim, president trump and his advisors are pawns of vladimir putin. they don't. they never really thought trump colluded with russia and the first place. they were using the claim as a political tool.

even baseless accusations or treason are fair game in the political climate.n. their intentional ignorance is worry for another reason. it shows how little congress cares about the federal government spying on r its own citizens. today, i can be boiled down this way. if my party does it, then, it must be okay. that is not coming up next, actor tim daly said president trump's plan to cut funding for the arts will destroy high culture for the masses of middle america. he is here next with his warning. we could be philistines by years end. stay tuned. ♪ this is brooke's yard with ugly bare spots. but scotts ez seed changes everything. our finest grass seed plus quick-start fertilizer and natural super- absorbent mulch grow grass anywhere. guaranteed. this is a scotts yard. bounty is more absorbent,mom" per roll so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand.

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>> tucker: president trump's budget proposal calls for totally defunding the national endowment for the arts, that provide several hundred million dollars in arts funding to programs across the country.ry hollywood and broadway is angry,

they are warning that art will disappear across this nation without robust taxpayer support. tim daly is a seasoned and longtime actor. he voiced among many other things superman. he had a lead role in "madam secretary." tomorrow, he is visiting capitol hill to advocate for whatea he calls the right to ber art. tim daly joins us now. good to see you. >>oo good to see you, too. >>ke tucker: i am not against art. i just don't know why average people, and a country in which the middle class is shrinking, getting poorer every y year, out to be subsidizing rich people in order to do a for art. >> that is not what is happenin happening. i agree with you. the national endowment for the arts does not subsidize rich people, it has nothing to do with them. the national endowment for the arts has grants i go to every congressional district in this country. hollywood will be fine, broadway will be fine, the kennedy center will be fine. it's the little towns in idaho, nebraska, which otherwise would have no arts at all. their children would not be

exposed to participate in therr arts that need these programs. i would also say that is characterized in your introduction that there were several hundred million -- and all. 150 to 5 million. also, a robust support of the arts, which it's not. it's minuscule. .004% of the -- >> tucker: it's unnecessary, then, isn't it? i don't understand --dash -- bf bezos can't pay for the single handedly? i will tell you why. a society and a culture wherecu the arts are the emissary of the unique americanness of what we are, you need to the federal government to at least make this gesture towards what we stand for.ng the thing is that these small grants that go out, first of all, they generate a huge amount of return to theal federal treasury. every dollar spent generates something like $7 back to the

federal treasury. an argument could be made that the national endowment for the arts budget should be 100 times bigger if it generates a kind of income. >> tucker: we are both agreeing here that arts are really important. i guess. you are making that t case. i fly fish. there iss nothing more important to me outside of work than my family and fly fishing. why am i not entitled the same subsidy and artists would be entitled to for creating art? who decides that creating a mere role or performing an interpretive dance is more important than what i do to relax? >> the national endowment for the arts -- >> tucker:r: that's it. who made that decision? >> the government dead. >> tucker: oh, okay. >> it's turned out to be a great decision. first of all, for the economy,en like i said, a big generator of wealth. second of all, it does things, for instance, the national endowment for the arts is in

partnership with walter reed v.a. hospital, where the creative coalition is going tomorrow. these small grants multiply a lot of money and they help veterans who are suffering from ptsd. that is a really important -- >> tucker: i'm not against that. if you took at. poll of veterans and said, would you rather see modern dance at walter reed or would you rather go to a nascar event, i bet it wouldn't bere close. there are towns and cities in this country that are very far from nascar tracks. it takes hours to go see a nascar event. why wouldn't that money be better spent constructing nascar venues, which ismo what more people would likee to see, then interpretive dance? >> i'll tell you why. there is been a survey of every fortune 500 company in this country. the one thing they say that they want their employees to have more than anything else is a creative thinking. they want creative thinkersat in this companies. creativity is a muscle. the arts of the gym for that

muscle. the bench press, the arm crawl. if you have a creative workforc workforce, people have an imagination. if you expose people to the art arts, an engineer without creative training is just a technician. they are a cog in the machine. and and engineer with an imaginn will avenge the machine. >> tucker: that's a pretty clever argument and nobody is against creativity. i am for it, which is why i am against arts funding because it kills it. anything subsidizing makes you less creative. leaving that aside, is there a study that you can point to that shows, looking at nea funded art installations produces more creativity did nascar? >> absolutely. americans for arts have collected data on this for decades. for instance, -- >> tucker: may attract people who have gone to nea installations over time and anda longitudinal study to show that they are more creative? >> let me give you an example. i cut my teeth at a theater in rhode island, where you went to

school. trinity in providence. it started out with a $5,000 nea granted a church.he they put together a theater. it has turned into one of the preeminent regional theaters in the country. one ofof the things they did was they started a program called operation discovery. they made it so that every public school kid in the state of rhode island for free got on the bus and came to see shows. what that did for that community, for that city, for that entire region, was create an economy and a culture of creative people who were interested in theater and revitalize -- >> tucker: a. simple question, why does rhode island have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country? >> i don't know why it does right now. >> tucker: i would think the arts would fix that. >> i will tell you right now that the arts is not part of the problem. >> tucker: okay. i'm nothe against the arts. i like the arts, whatever that means, anything could be -- a

crucifix submerged in a glass of urine could be art. the infrastructure is crumbling and the schools don't have enough teachers, and the debt is out of control and medicare and social security are underfunded. atat this moment, when everybody is digging deep to make sure we can keep going, the governmentor may shut down tomorrow, why don't a few rich people get together from it, may be actors, and subsidize it themselves? why don't they do that? >> it's like saying why doesn't tom cruise become thee head of thee fda? you have your meat is stamped by tom cruise. tom cruised approved meat. >> tucker: who better to fund arts and artists who have gotten rich from performing art? i just don't get that. why don't actors kick in just a third of their income. why not? >> again, this has nothing to do with artists, per se. the test to do with a population of the united states. >> tucker: nonartist need to fund artists because... why? >> a well-known quote, during

world war ii, winston churchill was approached by his finance but it minister. he said, mr. turtle, we have to cut our findings for the arts. churchill's response said, then what are we fighting for? he understood, and a society, culture, the arts are what makes life worth living. the only pursuit that we have -- listen. >> tucker: it is so tempting to make t fun of that but i won. i like the arts. i sincerely do. i'm just saying there are priorities and you have to create a hierarchy of what is most important. right now, everyone is under the gun. why can't you look at the camera and say, jeff bezos, you are the second richest person in america, give us $10 billion? >> i'm sure that jeff bezos and a lot of other multimillionaires and billionaires give a lot of money to thena arts. >> tucker: i'm not sure about it all. >> the arts in new york are thriving, d.c., they give money to bigig organizations. >> tucker: they could put this bill and an afternoon without thinking about it. >> that is not the point. the point is that when you have

a government that represents the people, as described in the constitution, being a responsible for the general welfare of the people, you want to make sure that your population gets exposure to t things that will help them. there are statistics from the americans for the arts. for instance, i think that if mostot mothers new that if their child had a completen curriculum in the arts, their child would be three times more likely to graduate from high school. that is a vaccination against all kinds of social ills. that would keep kids out of the criminal justice system, the welfare system. >> tucker: i am not against that. we could just fix this problem immediately if the people who benefited from the economy in the last ten years, the least generous generation of rich people this country has ever seen, would it change their ways andor start finding things for e commonta good. they could start here. you should -- you have their numbers. youav should call them. >> i don't have their numbers.

>> tucker: [laughs] let's get together after this. thank you, tim. great to see you. good luck on the hill. tonight, want to bring you an update on the state of the sadly but deeply polarized country. certainly, the public religion research institute found that democrats were three times as likely as republicans to unfriend someone on facebook purely because of their politics. now, a new study by harvard shows how unlikely it is for this to actually happen, mostly because relatively few democratic facebook users know anyre republicans in the first place. the survey, which interviewed millennials aged 18-29, found that 69% of young democrats do not have a close relationship with a single person who voted for donald trump. not one person. meanwhile, most don't walk instead have a close relationship with a hillary clinton voter. 64% of democrats say they are not close with a single evangelical christian.in not one. keep in mind that evangelicals make up more than a quarter of the american population. americans just don't know them j and don't want to.t, in fact, democrats are nearly as

likely to be as close with a muslim is with an evangelical, despite the fact that only 3 million muslims are in the entire country.de this ideological separation is not harmless, knowing differentf people with different opinions may not create agreements but it does promote some level of understanding and goodwill. say quotation does breed contempt and eventually hatred. a nation cannot survive when half of its citizens hate the other half. that was the whole premises of diversity. liberals are always talking about it, lecturing you outut about it. apparently, they have no intention of practicing it, at least according to these studies. next, fox news correspondent lauren green will head to "the friend zone" to talk about her spiritual journey and the new book she has written about her. plus, a theme that is popular, hating donald trump. we'll take a look about her selling beer in manhattan. ♪ in your colon. miralax is different. it works with the water in your body

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tonight, one of the kindest people at fox news, lauren green. she just released a fantastic new book and she joins us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me on the show. >> tucker: you are not afraid of saying what you believe. that is what i love about you. o you just kind of put it out there.lo this book is in part a reflection of your personal spiritual journey.ot just an ac. >> this book has been about ten years in the active making. but over my entire life, it's been brewing and brewing. i heard a sermon on the ten commandments in real life. it was both a product of faith and really bringing -- that is why the book is called "lighthouse faith." it's really about love, and loss.

as a symbol of hope, strength, coming home, of comfort. it's a symbol of god's love because it is in structure, just like god's commandments. >> tucker: what about the sermon on the ten commandments? which is something some people take for granted. what about it grabbed you? >> the ten commandments are not just an arbitrary list but an actual description of who god is. you have a seminal point and everything else can be defined by that relationship to that seminal point. h it's both a statement and command. and a statement of fact. >> tucker: if you meditate on that and adhere to that, the rest kind of fall into place? >> that began the journey and i have a music background.

faith and music, i was using the harmonica chorus. i looked at the structure and was laid out pretty much like the structure of the ten commandments. perhaps there is something in the structure of the ten commandments that is a template for all of us.tu not just how we should behave. >> tucker: wow. that is pretty heavy. where were you? >> i tell the story in the book. i was in ethiopia. we just gone to a church where they say the ten commandments -- the actual arc of the covenant is held. we were trying to talk to the priest.ay of course they don't let you in. there was something freaky that happened with our camera. it just fell over and everything was blue after that. i get back to the hotel and i start analyzing the ten commandments and this revelation about the ten commandments and music hits me like a bolt of lightning. >> tucker: such a cool story by such a cool person.

there it is right there. thank you for that. a lot of weird bar themes out s there, christmas -- comic books, pirate bars, even an h.p. lovecraft bar. now there's a protest themed bar, of course the bar's name is coup. it's a protest theme park dedicated to opposing the sitting president, of course the bar's name as a reference to forcibly overthrowing the government, coup. the decor of the place includes various protest signs, slogans like black lives matter, revolution, and our personal favorite the pilgrims were undocumented. the bar pledges to donate to various leftist organizations. patrons get tokens with their drinks. it's an experience. people that can't even get a drink without politicizing will have a place to do both. that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness

and groupthink.tu good night from washington. our friends on "the five," livet in new york city. >> thanks, tucker. i am dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, chris wallace, greg gutfeld, and this is "the five." saturday is president trump's 100th day in office. also renewing the health care push. >> we want to go when we are ready to go. this has been a very bottom-up process.t it takes time to do that. we are doing big things. i talk about 200 days. we are working on the path to get it right and not some artificial deadline. >> that is going to be dictated