thank you. means a lot. have something to say to me? call the number on your screen 877-225-8587. that's all the time we have left this evening. thanks for being with us. see back here tomorrow night. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." fbi director james comey was back on capitol hill today, this time to testify before the senate judiciary committee. democrats on the committee grilled him over his behavior in last fall's election. in response, the director acknowledged that his aspects -- actions may have played some role in causing donald trump to win and that possibility made him be sick. >> this is terrible. it makes me mildly nauseous to think that we might have had some impact on the election.. but honestly, it wouldn't change the decision. everybody who disagrees with met has to go back to october 28th with me and stare at this andev tell me what you would do. what do you speak or would you conceal? and i could be wrong, but we

honestly made a decision between those two choices, that even in hindsight, this has been one of the world's most painful experiences, i would make the same decision. i would not conceal that. >> tucker: hillary clinton can identify with that feeling of nausea. she seems to have decided she would have won easily last fall if itt had not been for the meddling of james comey. she said this yesterday. >> had the election been on october 27, i would be our president. i was on the way to winning until the combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. >> tucker: so, did the fbi director scuddle the hillary candidacy? if so, f what does that mean for his capacity to run the federal bureau of investigation? congressman tim ryan is a democrat representing ohio. do you buy that? do you think hillary would have won if it hadn't been for comey?

>> i think it's unclear. it clearly had some effect. but if you get into wisconsin, michigan, it shouldn't happen -- have been close in those states. we should be winning those states by nine or ten points. i think it gets to the fact that there really wasn't a strong economic message in the campaign and at the end of the day, i think that made the difference. >> tucker: i agree with you there. i also think it is possible that when the director said that they are investigating one of the presidential candidates, we are not specific about what we are investigating, probably didn't help. >> there is no question. >> tucker: why don't democrats call for his resignation?no >> i think it is unclear what impact it had. clearly, he justified what he had to say there. it had some affect. obviously, i think they are investigating donald trump in july, didn't talk about that at all, didn't mention that at all. i think that was unfair and it clearly dealt a blow to her campaign. again, i don't think it t can be said that he caused the campaign.

the real focus now moving forward is not the tweets from donald trump, the current president is under investigation by the fbi for ties tout russia and russia's influence of the campaign. i think thatig is moving forward is whatsi we should all be concerned about. >> tucker: democrats would like to keep itwe there but you are making an argument t that contradicts itself, i think. mostak democrats are. they are saying that here is a guy who has a lot of power and misused that power that misuse of power affected the outcome of the election. but we still trust him enough to investigate a guy we don't like because it serves our immediate politicalru purposes. that seems to be the position. >> the thing about the fbi position,mm there is a reason wy it's a 10-year appointment, it is supposed to be insulated from politics. i don't think he intentionally tried to influence the election. i don't think that was his intent. did he have some affect on it? of course he did. of course those poll numbers did sink. another argument is whether or not it affected the election on the whole. but he is supposed to be

insulated from these things. we can have our opinions but at the end of the day, you don't throw out somebody in the fbi because they do something you don't necessarily like. >> tucker: unless it totally violates precedent and principal and common sense and it's compounded by a series of public statements that are baffling in their weirdness and overreach. for one, today, he says, i'm quoting him of the fbi directorr "russia is the greatest threat of any nation on earth to the united states and its democracy." never mind china, north korea, iran, unsecured nukes in pakistan. that is a deeply subjective statement. he iss not a policymaker. why is he saying things like that? >> my interpretation of that is that he was talking about the democratic process. putin is affecting thehe selections in the ukraine, and those eastern bloc countries, in estonia, and in the united states, trying to affectt the democratic process. that is how i read it. clearly, russia is more of a threat, nuclear north korea clearly is a threat.

i thought he was referring to the democratic process. >> tucker: okay. i was actually going to draw a chart of my piece of paper. if we were to assess which world figures had a measurable outcome on the election, you put vladimir putin in one column and james comey and the other, i think comey would win overwhelmingly. there is no extant evidence that putin had any effect on this. for all the talk, there is no evidence. it's a little weird, would a you say, that comey is trying to divert attention with presenting no evidence, to putin? >> no. we don't know about the putin piece. obviously, we know about the comey piece. that has been debated ad nauseam throughout the whole campaign. comey's statements, his testimonies, they were all very public. putin was not working publicly. putin is working covertly. it sure does seem like he had a hell of an effect releasingly al of those documents from the dnc, all of podesta's emails, clearly

hacking one political party over the other. tucker, wef should all be concerned about this.in i'm not saying this is a democrat. we should be concerned about vladimir putin, who has influence elections and other places, they are trying to do things in the arctic with utnatural gas, they are doing things -- >> tucker: i'm not here to defend putin. >> i am just saying -- mostly when i haven't seen any evidence of this is true. >> tucker: after watching speetwelve again and again make the statements in public that are hard to understand, claims he has not backed up, isn't it fair to say where is the evidence? >> started in july. the investigation is underway. you have numerous people in donald trump's orbit who have not only met with russian officials, butn most importantl, i say this as a father, lied about those meetings that they had with russian officials. to me, meeting with them, fine, whatever, you had meetings. lying about them? now, all of a sudden, the red flags go up. so to say --

>> tucker: okay, but red flags are different than evidence. i'm just saying the investigation is happening now. >> if this was turned around, and they were trying to accuse hillary clinton of this, and we were saying -- wait a minute. i did say that. >> tucker: my view was you can't sayu you are investigating someone without explaining what it is and what evidence you have because they can't defend themselves. hillary suffered from it, trump suffering from it now, and it is all coming from one guy, jim comey. it makes me nervous. >> nobodyin has been prosecuted. nobody has been put to a grand jury. not yet anyway.. >> tucker: [laughs] we'll see. congressman, tahnks for joining us. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: director comey still offered his strongest offense yet of his conduct. he said his actions were compelled by then attorney s general loretta lynch in her private meeting withh hebill clinton. >> the capper was, i'm not picking on the attorney general, loretta lynch, who i like very much, but her meeting with president clinton on that airplane was t the capper for m. ier then said, you know what, te

department cannot by itself credibly end this. the best chance we have, if i do something, i never imagined, step away from them and tell the american people, the this is what the fbi found, here'swhat we think. that offered us the best chance of the american people believing in a system it was on the wrong way. that was a hard call for me to call the attorney general and say that. >> tucker: whether the director made the right call or not there was another call worth asking, why was he making my decision in the first place? does the fbi director simply have too much power for a single unelected man? joe digenova is a former u.s. attorney has watch this process from the beginning. he joins us now. thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: i don't think anyone wants to have concern about an fbi director, but is there a basis for concerns about this one? >> b yes. got mildly nauseous today listening to his testimony one

more time. james comey is a danger to the country. he surrounds himself with his own culture of personality. he believes that he is the righteous, last righteous man left standing. when he held that news conference on july 5th and accused hillary clinton and then exonerated her, he violated every rule and regulation of the department of justice. he should have been fired that day. he never shouldd have been permitted to stay after the inauguration. he should be fired for the testimony that he is given overt the last few months. that july 5th news conferenceiv was the original sin. from it, everything else followed. he says today, what would you have done in october the 28th? mr. director, i would have done nothing because i never would have held the july 5th newsnh? conference, which forced you to send two letters to congress. >> tucker: you have worked in and around doj for a lot of your life. explain to the rest about what was wrongfe with that july 5th press r conference. >> he usurped the function of prosecutors.wa he is a cop.

he is the fbi director. he's not a prosecutor. he may be a lawyer but he is not a prosecutor anymore his job was to investigate, b ge the evidence to the department of justice, and let them decide. he usurped the function of every prosecutor in the justiceen department, he should have been fired that day. >> tucker: why wasn't he? >> because loretta lynch was absolutely impotent as a result of having gone on that plane on the tarmac in phoenix, arizona. the entire department of justice was so frightened of jim comey because of the way they had politically mishandled the hillary clinton email server investigation, that they were afraid to contradict him. that is what you call a disaster in a government of accountability. he stole the work of the department of justice in a single day and they sat there and watched it. a pox on all of the houses. >> tucker: very quickly, can you discern a political agenda here? >> not from him. the only agenda james comey hasu

is james comey. he is his own a geographer. as i said, he believes he is the most righteous man and the world, and that he can do anything he wants. that testimony today was an example of how bizarre his wpersonality is. >> tucker: certainly hard to understand from this perspective. thank you for that, joee digenova. we have a fox news alert for you. house republicans have just scheduled a vote tomorrow on their proposed replacement plan for obamacare. partyor leaders say they now hae enough votes to pass this proposal. they're calling it the american health s care act. of course, they were confident t a month ago, too, that vote was canceled the last minute to avoid defeat. this one could be different or not. we will keep you updated by the minute.is ♪ a new study out of norway says that migrants are failing to integrate into the culture or economy of europe. we'll have katie hopkins on next and get a front row seat. also, american media insist they are diverse and confident enough to properly cover the president and theth rest of the news fair,

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♪ >> tucker: we want to bring you something new from the future caliphate of west arabia. like many european nations, austria is struggling to sustain its core values in the face of mass migration from the islamic world, from society that have very different beliefs. recently, austria has had a ban on publicly wearing any veils that obscures the face, such as the burka, the hijab, it's

allowed, but one of the country's officials has proposee banning it for anyone in public appointment. that is very concerning to the president of austria, alexander van der bellen. recently said "if islamophobia continues to spread, the day will come where we will have to ask all women to wear headscarves." now, why would all austrian women be asked to do that? well, explained the president, as an act of "solidarity with those who follow sharia inspired gender codes." fair enough, but if islamophobia continues to spread in austria, perhaps austrian women will next be asked to prohibit themselves from drivingri cars or using public swimming pools or going outside except in the company of male relatives all the solidarity of islam. that would show the islamaphobe islamaphobes. a new academic paper released earlier this spring has some disparaging bruised stomach news about europe's experiment with mass migration. it looks at data, and it finds

that whether they get jobs, immigrants from poor countriestn ultimately become less integrated over time. we have seen this in other countries as well. the longer immigrants spend in norway, the less likely they are to be dependent upon government welfare. katie hopkins is a global columnist for dailymail.com and she joins us tonight. does it surprise you? > it doesn't surprise me at all. it is something we have seen here in britain for a long time. i have always maintained multiculturalism doesn't work. in fact, what we end up with as a nation of ghettos. i think that is true here in the u.k. i think what we see is that migrants arrive and typically, since we have so many economic migrants who haven't actually suffered warny or endured real hardship, that they really want to create a country within a country. they don't see islam as compatible with western culture, western values.. actually, they would rather live alone, separate from our

society. certainly, around 23% of british muslims have said that they would prefer and look to live under sharia law, rather than any laws that we have here. i certainly feel that when people talk about integration, for me, i always hear the word. colonization, because i think that is what is happening across europe, as we have opened our arms and our borders and told everyone to come and effectively take over. >> tucker: so, if you are going to do that, if you're going to bring people into your country in large numbers, don't you have some obligation to help them become part of your culture? countries in which no one has anything in common fall apart. what are the european authorities doing to inculcate their values into these new arrivals? >> absolutely. you would think that, wouldn't you? you would think t that we would have some lessons on british values, help individuals integrate by showing them our ways, and enabling them to join. i see the complete opposite happening actually.

i see that we have to bow down to the cultures that come to join us. i believe that we spend far too much time tiptoeing around the cultures of the people that choose to join us, far too little time standing up for the cultures that have chosen, they have chosen to f join. i think we need to stand up for our culture and ask people to integrate into it but i certainly don't see that happening. i think people are punished for looking islamaphobic if theyce y and stand up for british values. that is why things like having the flag or national flag, having the english flag, the george cross, that is seen now as being almost verging on racist potentially. certainly, islamaphobic, because we are not than embracing thesen new cultures that come to join us. >> tucker: so, it's more offensive to the british ruling class and british authorities to be anti-islam that it is to be anti-britain? >> absolutely. i know the tick list of correct

answers that the liberal fascists want me to answer. i know what they'll approve of. i know what they like and that endless gushing sympathy for migrants, economic migrants. you saw with the westminster terror attack here, the very first media that we had after that was that we had to look out fore our muslim counterparts because they may be under some kind of attack following the terrorist attack on us. it is always that idea that we need to bow down to the culture that joins us and we never seem to stand up for the culture they have chosen to join. it is one of my big questions always, is if islam is so fantastic, why do muslim always seem to want to come to christian countries? it's a question that i never have gotten an answer to yet, tucker.. >> tucker: that's a great question. n an awful lot is at stake, a thousand years of history. you take it seriously

and i appreciate it. katie, thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: today's journalists are inng a bigger problem than they have ever been before. that is not speculation. research shows that. how can they hope to write fairly about a country they don't live in and a president they unanimously despise? one of the questions weid will have the editor in chief of buzzfeed, ben smith, next. lergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. break through your allergies. new flonase sensimist [man: let's go!] man #2: we're not coming out! man #1: [ sighs ] flo: [ amplified ] i got this. guys, i know being a first-time homeowner is scary, but you don't have to do this. man #2: what if a tree falls on our garage?

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>> tucker: it's no secret that america's journalists are getting more homogenous, even if they look different, they overwhelmingly live in the same cities, hail from the same

backgrounds, and most important, have pretty much the same ideas. recently, white house correspondents association's jeff mason of reuters told us that journalists are stillll capable of covering the news fairly. watch. >> tucker: people standing in the briefing room who are telling us on camera, i am just here to report the facts. then, you read their twitter feed, and they say, "i hate trump and it'sou a fascist takeover of the country." they are out in the open liberal. >> do you have a specific example?ve >> tucker: we have done like 15 shows on this. >>ci tucker: no outlet better embodies how journalism has changed in the past 20 years than the clickbait kingpin buzzfeed.com, one of the most valuable news organizations of the world. are they part of the new news bubble? who better to ask of the editor in chief of buzzfeed, ben smith? thanks for coming on. >> congrats on the show, the book, the meme-ification. b >> tucker: i don't know what that means. i will accept your congratulations. >> i don't know what the kingpin thing means either. >> tucker:er i will respond with

the question hasn't politico proveded what we have known was true for a long time? basically, everyone who runs america's news organizations comes from the same world. according to politico, 90% of all online news employees live in counties that voted for hillary clinton. you could have guessed that but doesn't that lead to a certain kind of coverage? t >> i think what he showed was the kind of tragedy that you have seen over the last 20 years of the collapse of these great news organizations all across thet country. big regional papers in cleveland ande chicago. i think that we certainly, our staff is more diverseev than it has ever been. we think about regional diversity, too. i think that matters. we just hired a great political reporter in cleveland, henry gomez, partly because i think it is important to have people outside the beltway, outside new york. >> tucker: right. but it's not just new york paand washington and l.a. it's specifically liberal counties, places that voted for hillary clinton. it doesn't mean that all those employees voted for hillary clinton, but actually they did. survey after survey has shown it is overwhelmingly as one-party

state. >> i think that politico piece said that something like 75% of the people were registered independents or weren't registered voters. >> tucker: right, but registration not necessarily a marker for anything. another way to look at it, the white house press corps has precisely zero registered republicans in it. maybe there are some republicans floating around there, who knows. but it is still a much smaller number, i think it is safe to say, than the country at large. it doesn't actually represent the country it covers. why is this not a problem? >> in a way, the deeper problem, polls from people like us, educated people who live in cities who wanted to go into journalism. there's a lot of people -- different ways it's a homogenous group. the best you can do is try to be fair in your cover to look at the coverage. i think it was a great piece by jack, totally reasonable thing to observe. >> tucker: hold on. it's not exactly the same thing. but you wouldn't ever say

something like that about racial or ethnic diversity? you wouldn't say that my newsroom is 100% middle aged white men, but we will do our best to understand perspectives different from ours. you would say, no. we will diversify this newsroom. why not do that with ideology? i think conservatives -- i've always looked for conservative political reporters. we stole our political editor from the great "washington free beacon." i don't disagree with you on ideological diversity at all. >> tucker: there was this piece that was pretty unbelievable i buy one of your former employees that has gone on to be a pro trump activist online. he didn't start that way. but he recounts what it was like to work at buzzfeed.ti i'm quoting. "i was talking to my colleagues about the new justin bieber album and i said i love this album. i love him. he isbu my spirit animal." someone came up to me at buzzfeed and said, "hey, bro, you can't say spirit animal. that is culturally appropriating native american culture. and it's not cool." he said, i didn't really think this happened. but it does happen at buzzfeed. but doesn't seem like a culture of free inquiry to me.

>> he was an employee of our los angeles entertainment division. i did actually try to report out that anecdote because it sounds pretty preposterous. i don't think it happened. i was not there. more broadly, that story, he goes under the name baked alaska. his name is tim. i don't think he was somebody who was persecuted for his conservative beliefs. this was somebody who obviously did not have a great experience atte buzzfeed. left buzzfeed, for a while hung out in the pro-trump movement, then, started tweeting about how jews control the media and they got talked out of the pro-trump media. i don't see a straight line between not having a great experience and our office and tweeting those messages. >> tucker: he may be a wacko. but i am still pretty sympathetic. i don't know anything about him beyond this. this sounds right to me havingty been around this a lot. he said he got a lot of dirty looks and people stopped inviting me to meetings when i said i was voting for trump. it was like i was aeo heretic. nobody wanted to talk to me. all their opinions about mewa changed. that sounds right to me. how many trump voters you think

you have on staff at buzzfeed? >> i don't know.io i don't ask people about their ideology. i agree with you. i don't think there are a lot of journalists voting for trump.>> but again, you just told a story, i don't think that happened that he was left out of meetings where his ideology. that certainly doesn't happen in our news operation. >> tucker: you don't think that if someone came out and said, by the way, i'm an evangelical and i think abortion isy, murder and i'm voting forve donald trump, and they would say it's cool. another diverse member of our staff. you think they would say that? >> i think people are very respectful of the conservatives. we are journalists. we yell at each other all the time. but nobody would -- we are not shrinking violets. >> tucker: of course. let's be totally real. if you said i'm going to get my concealed carry permits, then, on saturday, i am going to go protest the planned parenthood because i think jesus wants me to, do you really think that people wouldn't say, this guy is a freak and i don't want him here? >> the question is whether i will be shunned for going on your

show. i think i will be all right. >> tucker: [laughs] you are the editor. there's nothing they can do. >> there's nothing they can do. >> tucker: behind your back, t they are saying, why is he on with that dangerous authoritarian tucker carlson? you see the point, though. >> i'm not arguing with you about the way people vote. people just don't get into the business ofu reporting, i never did, because we are political activists. it's not the first, second,ss or third thing on our minds. my first gig was at a conservative newspaper in new york. i also worked for a left-leaning w paper. i worked for politico.sp that has no particular ideologye i came in because i wanted to report on stories. i think it islo true of most reporters. political activists who in good faith accuse journalists are being activists are basically projecting. they say that i am primarily motivated byti politics, and eah journalist must also be. that is not the newsroom conversation. >> tucker: i think there are some exceptions. i think you are generally right. the problem is that pro-diversity activist always point to, that is an unconscious bias, taking your assumptions with you, and not examining them. that is why employers and

particularly you, spend so much time trying to "diversify" the way a your newsroom looks. and i am saying, are you making the same effort to bring diversity of experience? we both know you are not. my question is why? >> we think a lot about hiring people both who are based outside the big cities and who come from a wide variety ofhi backgrounds.o i don't know why you think thatt is not the case because it certainly is. i do think that matters. >> tucker: really? >> one of the things youe really see, one of the places it comes through most clearly in media, is tv coverage. the shows, the hbo shows that get all the coverage of "the new york times," then a lot of the media are just not necessarily the shows that are widely viewed, which might be "csi." that is a place in a broad sense, we think about trying to make sure we are writing about the culture that people pay attention to. for sure, i think most journalists are college-educated. most journalists have a certain set of experiences that leave them with huge blind spots. >> tucker: last question, have you ever heard anyone at

buzzfeed say that i think abortion is murder and i don't t think it should be legal? a lot of the country feels that way. >> do i have colleagues who oppose abortion rights? absolutely.li o >> tucker: not abortion rights. abortion itself. >> absolutely. >> tucker: good for you. ben, thanks for coming on. two physicians in detroit are facing federal charges for running a clinic where they illegally mutilated young girls. we'll talk to a defender of female genital mutilation. not easy to find but we did. after the break. 80 percent of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevented with the right steps. and take it from me, every step counts. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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united states in 1996. we made the first case last week against doctors in michigan for doing this terrifying thing to young girls all across the country. with our partners in the department of homeland security, we brought a case against two doctors for doing this to children. >> tucker: fuambaii ahmadu chose to undergo what she calls female circumcision as an adult. she is also an anthropologist. in effect,ma defends the proces, saying western society is wrong to view it a essentially oppressive. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: i will concede, this subject makes me so uncomfortable that i don't like to do segments on it. but i also think it is really important because i think it is so horrifying that something like this is perpetrated on young girls. you seem like a reasonable person and a well-educated person. it's amazing to me that anyone could defend this. how would you defend this? >> when you opened just now, you said that i defend fgm.

and i don't defend fgm. i don't defend mutilation. i would never defend the mutilation of anyone. i don'tt identify with the term fgm, with the term mutilation. i don't know anyone in my family who does or my community. and from over 25 years of research i have done on the field, i say the great majority of women who are affected by what i call female circumcision practices do not see themselves as mutilated, so i think we need to interrogating how we use that terminology. >> tucker: i almost don't want to specify what it refers to becausemi it is upsetting. >> i think we should. >> tucker: it is the removal of a key sex female organ. this is done to girls who can't give consent. it affects them for life. >> tucker, this is why we need to have a discussion on what it is. when we use the term female genital mutilation,

automatically, a certain image comes to mind. nian image that has really been put out there for over 30, 40 years in the media, the mainstream media, obviously, through activist efforts y and women's groups. it is the idea of the most horrific type of procedure, which is type iii, w.h.o. classifies this, type iii infibulation. it involves the suturing, the sewing up of the labia majora. this is a very rare procedure that is confined to a specific part of sub sahara africa, the horn of africa. it makes up less than 10% of the entire prevalence of the procedures in sub-africa and across various parts of the world. we need to understand that over 90% of what we call female circumcision involves what who classifies as types i, and that is ia and b, and type ii, a and b as well.

for instance, the case that has become quite talked about in recent weeks with the arrests of the doctors, the female doctor, the doctor in michigan, their community, they are shiite muslim, quiet community here in united states, they are -- their community performs, first of all, they perform circumcision on boys, we'll get to thathe in a moment. and they perform type ia circumcision, which is a nick of the foreskin of the clitoris. >> tucker: that is not illegal as i understand, the removal of the entire sex female organ without the consent of the child. you underwent this as an adult. there is a quantum differencead between making a decision to do somethingon like that and having that decision made for you that cannot be reversed as a child. that seems to me, probably the

worst thing you can do to a child. >> okay, so, back to the case of the doctor who is now in prison awaiting trial. she is accused, she is charged of fgm, mutilating a 7-year-old girl. she performed nicks, type ia to the clitoral foreskin. >> tucker: i don't know that it is true. >> it is true. the activists that actually made that term female genital mutilation, they have conflated it with these different -- >> tucker: some of those activists are victims of the practice themselves. they say this has affected their life and their happiness and their ability to experience happiness in a profound way, and it's totally barbaric. i guess i just don't buy that "it's a different culture." so is throwing widows on the pyre. it's still wrong. >> i absolutely agree with you, tucker. there is one thing i want to correct.s w you said it removes a vital part

of the female genital anatomy. is it okay if i actually say what that part is? there is a misconception about what actually, what the surgeries entail. there is no female circumcision procedureta that removes the clitoris of a woman. it's absolutely impossible to remove a woman's clitoris without killing her. what it is exposed is a tiny fraction of what is an expansive organ ---- >> tucker: i will stop you hathere. before we get too into it. let me just say, woulduc you concede, because there are a lot of women who feel mutilated this is not -- this is being led by women. maybe we should let adults make this decisiong and not impose t on a 6-year-old? is that fair? >> here's what i think about it. there are a lot of men who have experienced male circumcision, who say that this is mutilation. in fact, in the courtroom, when the doctor appeared in court,

they were protesters outside. there weren't anti-fgm -- >> tucker: that's not an argument for a female circumcision. >> you are saying to me that there are opponents to female circumcision.. > tucker: as you know, i don't want to get into the circumcision debate on men. there is research that shows that there are profound medical advantages in that. there is no research that shows there are any medical advantages to female genital mutilation. >> first of all, that research is contested. is a lot of research out there that says yes, there is harm, there is risk. there are over 100 deathss each year -- >> tucker: that's a separate show. i am open minded. but what you are doing -- >> you are saying we are abusing girls. >> tucker: that's like saying we can't ban weed because beer is legal. >> you are excepting that it isr okay to perform a much more intensive or invasive procedure on a boy -- >> tucker: i am just saying this is bad for little girls. >> i think it if we accept in american society that we do remove, we do remove the

foreskin on boys, we practice genital cutting here in the u.s. on boys, then it should not be impossible to understand that there are cultures in our society that practice while certain people are now calling -- >> tucker: i just don't want it in my culture, my society. >> it's okay to cut boys in our society? d >> tucker: i'm just saying i don't want this.ty >> in our culture, we don't discriminate. we have gender egalitarian't surgery. we do not discriminate. >> tucker: [laughs] we are out of time. like we should finish the hour. i would probably die of embarrassment by then. thank you very much for coming on with that perspective. a student group at uc santa cruz is occupying an administrative building right now. they say they won't leave the school until the demands are met. we'll go live inside the building and talk to one of the takeover leaders. that's next. hey, ready for the big meeting?

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>> tucker: this is a fox news alert. a group of students of the university of california at santa cruz has seized control of the administration building there and is refusing to leave until school officials meet their list of demands. the takeover was organized by african black student alliance. their demands include painting the school's rosa parks house red, black, and green, thehe colors of black liberation. and imposing mandatory diversity training on all new students and transfers. imari reynolds is the cochair of the black student alliance, one of the leaders of the takeover. joining us now from inside o the administration building. is that right? is that where you are? >> we are in the building now. >> tucker: you are in the buildingon now. i have a list of your demands that you have written to the school, and one of them is changing the paint color on the outside of the rosa parks african-american themed house. why is that so important you?

>> housing on this campus is ntimportant to black students in general. visibility on campus we are less than 2%, is very important. having that red, black, and green house in the the middle of stephenson college, which is a predominantly white serving college, as a matter of symbolism and visibility that black students are on this campus, and we do exist, we do pay to go here just likeit our counterparts. we do deserve to be seen here on this campus. >> tucker: okay. do you want the school to change the interior decorating at all? just the outdoor colors? >> theng interior decorating is already -- has many different african-american or black caribbean cultural paintings and diaspora paintings inside. but from the outside, no one knows what is inside thee house. tsit's very silencing to the blk students who do live there. especially at stephenson college. >> tucker: right.

that's not your only demand. but that is one of the key demands from this list that i have and you are doing a lot tom get this. why not just paint it yourself? pick a saturday and paint it the colors you want? >> because that is vandalism and black students are often arrested and often sometimes shot down by police and we do not want to put ourselves at that type of risk.do >> tucker: okay. another one of your demands is for housing guarantees, i'm quoting now, "for all black caribbean identified students." so, housing just for african-american or african students. that sounds a lot like the segregation that we read about, where schools 50 years ago had special dorms for african-americans. why is it different? >> yeah. i think it is very different. we are asking for housing guarantee fornt black students o live in the rosa parks african-american themed house. we're not asking for only black students, we are asking for black students to have a guarantee to live in a house at the university advertises, as a house that is meant for black students.

currently, about six to seven black students live in the rosa parks african-american themed house.ut we are trying to ensure that black students who do decide to come to uc santa cruz know that they have somewhere where they will be accepted, where they can live peacefully among whoever else chooses to live there with the shared common goals. >> tucker: so, would the guarantees also go to white studentsco or samoan students ae -- or korean students? would they be excluded from the guarantees? >> many students, we don't speak for the white students, the samoan students, or the korean students. s if they want a guarantee to live in a certain house, they are more than welcome to fight for that, we can support that in other ways. right now, we speak for the african black caribbean students, who are struggling on this campus and need housing. while there is a house that is supposed to meant to protect them and live as of the saved space, that is currently only being occupied by five black bodies. >> tucker: how long are you going to stay inside the administration building? has anyone tried to take you out?

are they just waiting for you to leave? >> we are staying here until our have no intentions on leaving. we have gathered a lot of support, through social media, a lot of people have dropped off food and different resources and supplies for us. our allies are here and support. we are here today, the administration has reached out to us. we are meeting with our chairperson at 4:00 p.m. we are staying here until our demands are met. that is pretty much, period, no option, not questionable. we are asking for four simple demands, basic demands. >> tucker: i am sure they will cave to all of the demands, including the paint colors. imari, thanks for joining us lltonight. >> have a good night. >> tucker: we'll be right back. so draw the line. roundup for lawns is formulated to kill lawn weeds to the root without harming a single blade of grass. draw the line with roundup for lawns.

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>> tucker: in the news of the weird tonight, a new york high school is going to war against the printed word. according t to "the new york po" which first printed thisgh stor, life sciences at secondary

school in manhattan is throwing away all of its books. textbooks, novels, sat study guides, if they are on paper, they are getting tossed. among the books headed to the landfill, romeo and juliet and a streetcar named desire. no word on whether fahrenheit 451 is getting thrown out as well. the purge is being made at the behest of the principles who view physical books as agent relics and believe that more advanced technologies are needed for academic success, there's no reason to believe that that is true in fact there's some evidence to the contrary. the school doesn't have enough computers to replace the missing books. students who are struggling are told to fish relevant textbooks from the garbage pile and stick them home like contraband.

that's well below the cities low average, the first instinct is to destroy the books, america's cultural revolution continues.ie ♪ ♪ >> greg: hey i'm greg gutfeld, kimberly guilfoyle, jesse watters, bob beckel, dana perino. with "the five." has this been painful. >> has this been painful, i've gotten all kinds of rocks thrown at me and this has been really hard. i think i've done the right thing at each turn. >> greg: here's the big news for today's senate hearings on fbi oversight, hilary still lost. trump is still here and sheht is riding the rails like a carefree hobo seeking friendly faces and friendlier paychecks, so democrats it's time you got