stay tuned for "the five" next. good night from washington. see you monday. >> h hello, everyone, i'm kimberly guilfoyle. this is a fox news alert. it's just after sundown in chicago where the city is bracing itself for another bloody weekend. last year, there were 769 murders in the windy city, the most brutal in 20 years. and this year, the problem is getting even worse. earlier this week, the situation escalated when gang members opened fire on two chicago police officers targeting them with a high-powered weapon. shots fired! shots fired! [ sirens ] >> kimberly: thankfully, both officers are out of the hospital and recovering from their

wounds. cops are actively pursuing all leads and a manhunt is currently underway for the perpetrators. joining us now live from chicago correspondent matt finn. matt, i understand you have new information, developments about what is being done to turn this situation around? >> reporter: that's right, kimberly. four of the most powerful city council aldermen here in chicago say this week's police ambush goes to show right now police are outgunned by gang members and druglord who has have the money to get their hands on assault andrifls are ready and willing to kill police. one of the city council alderman who have seen the crime scene photos from this police ambush says the windshield the undercover van the officers was in were riddled with bullets. the alderman says the two officers were boxed in by two gang members that had high-powered guns. these aldermen are banding together saying police must be

equipped with the same fire-power they face on the streets in order to survive against gang members who have ar-15's and ak-47's. >> it wasn't to shoot at them and say, hey, we're going to show and you teach you a lesson. stay out of our territory. that was to kill. that was to kill and to use this this is not -- this is not to say, hey, we're just sending a warning shot. this will kill you. this is probably about 2 1/2 inches. this is a 2-2-3 round. this is the actual round that was shot at these officers, um, that were in that van. >> reporter: now, for some background, here are some stats in what police are up against here in chicago. in 2015, officers were fired at the 18 times. fortunately none were hit. last year in 2016, officers fired at 31 times. nine officers hit by bullets and in 2017, so far, officers have been fired at eight times, and as of tuesday night, two officers were hit. and to follow up on that police ambush on tuesday night, this is a sensitive case.

so far, police haven't identified the undercover officers because of the nature of the work they do, and they also have not given a description of the suspects. kimberly? >> kimberly: matt, thanks so much for that update. greg, this is something we've covered on this program a lot in terms of the escalating of violence in chicago and these criminals turning guns on police officers. a mayor who really is absentee in terms of being able to protect people in chicago with very little regard, it seems, for public safety. >> greg: it's another reminder that, you know, officers are getting shot and being fired at, yet they still move forward. they always run toward the threats that we run away from, and we should always be reminded that they are what separates, you know, civilians from danger and we -- and i think we spent two or three years watching the media denigrate that idea that the purpose and the protection and the necessity of the police -- it was somehow that they were the problem. and so you see a 50% increase in

murders in just one year, i think from '16 to '15. that's not a surge. it's an explosion. how does a mayor not resign, a mayor who thought that chick-fil-a was a threat so he can stomach murder but he couldn't stomach chicken? it's -- i think there's always -- i get the -- i get the feeling that somehow they just accepted it because it occurs in certain neighborhoods and not theirs. >> kimberly: honestly, almost like they've become desensitized to the situation. he's got other issues, p.c. concerns he's more involved and more animated and invested in other than public safety and cops lives matering and children being protected and communities being saved. >> yeah, you know the cornerstone of rahm's murder reduction policy? do you know what it is? juan? >> juan: i'm waiting. >> mentors for gang bangers. he wants to give gang bangers mentors to talk to them about their problems.

do you think that's a strong approach to reducing homicide? i don't. if he was a republican mayor, there'd be no way this guy would still have a job. there's a lot of problems in this city, racism is one of the problems. you know, they let this happen on the south side. if it was white-on-white crime or whites were getting killed, i'm sure there'd be more police on the streets. narcotics is huge there, heroin, cocaine and everyone from illinois and even the surrounding areas come in there to buy the drugs. there's, you know a lot of single mothers and there's no father in the picture so people are joining gangs or look for what they need to look for, and it's just a tragic thing. it seems like donald trump cares more about what is happening in chicago than raum emanuel and former president barack obama. >> kimberly: president trump said, if we need to, we will step in if you can't get the job done, mayor emanuel. so far, it's a failing one. jesse discussed the role of fathers in households and absentee fathers we've seen in

some of these more impoverished or challenged communities. >> juan: without a doubt, kimberly, but i do think this is a separate issue than what i read. this is about gang activity. this is a broader problem in chicago. i might add, this is not just chicago. you can look at baltimore, newark and new orleans. they actually have higher rates of murder per kappa -- capita. republicans have been through with their free guns for everyone. >> i'm talking about the mayors of those cities? >> juan: i was talking about the free gun policy. >> there was a free gun policy in chicago? >> they have no gun stores in chicago even after the 2014 supreme court ruling. >> kimberly: now all the gang members you're talking about now are all running around with ak-47's. >> they talk about burglaries taking place at the gun stores in indiana, out in illinois. that is a key part of the problem. >> they have a lot of guns in idaho. they're not shooting up police officers in idaho. >> it's a different social context.

i don't believe the population of idaho is similar to the population of chicago. >> it's a dense city. completely different environment. >> dense in what way? >> i think dense is sometimes the conversations we have where we want to make the cops into heros in every case. tonight, this very night, a police officer in the suburbs of dallas, texas, has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting a black kid who was trying to go away. the kids were going away in a car. you act as if, well, that didn't happen but we're concerned with -- . >> kimberly: we're not talking about that. >> also ididn't know when this happened. >> juan: this was a charge just tonight. >> greg: that's why we didn't know about it. >> juan: i know about it, greg. i'm on the show. >> juan: -- . >> greg: let us know. we will talk about it you introduced it as if i knew about it. >> juan: i think we know about it. i think that what you do is that in the times we talk about these issues, we have to talk about it honestly.

i think black lives matter, for example, they're a changed group. they're no longer in the streets. they're all of a sudden working to try to build bridges. i think that's what -- . >> jesse: black lives matter is trying to build bridges? >> kimberly: you missed that too. >> jesse: where was i there? >> juan: there's been shootings such as the ones we're talking about in dallas where you don't see black lives matter this guy, alton -- he was -- there was no charge against the cop in that instance. you don't see any protests. why? i think there's different strategies. >> jesse: i don't think what we're talking about here, violence in chicago, which is primarily black-on-black crime has anything to do with police misconduct. if anything the police in chicago are probably gun-shy because they've been so hung out to dry by the press and by politicians. >> kimberly: and -- . >> jesse: and not hitting the streets on foot patrol. >> kimberly: the f.b.i. just released a report -- the f.b.i. just released a report that inthoorts jesse is saying. they said -- that supports what jesse is saying. they said this is a study that

was completed -- it came out in 2016. it found that -- sorry it just became declassified. it was published. it was conducted in 2016 it says depolicing in the chicago streets is a major issue -- issue, meaning the police officers are making conscious decisions not to proactively police in the streets, because they feel like they have targets on their back and they're going to get killed. so that's -- . >> kimberly: which, in fact, they do, this is evidenced by this horrific crime here. these officers, they didn't do anything wrong. they were working undercover, some of the most dangerous details to try to protect families and communities so children could feel safe to go to school and come back and parents could feel safe to go to work, but they do not have the support from a mayor because of his lack of protocol and concern for public safety and support of the police department. this is what happens. >> greg: i have a solution. the solution is push the crime to areas where all the rich, white democrats live. legalize drug trafficking in neighborhoods where the mayor lives, and the police just don't

go there, let it go and see how soon that problem will be solved. >> juan: ha-ha. >> greg: it's like the reverse of the wire when they created amsterdam. go to chicago. push it into the rich, white democrat neighborhoods. because there are parts of chicago where there isn't any crime. where there aren't any murders. that haven't ever had murders. >> kimberly: to reground the conversation in chicago, 760-whatever murders sound terrific but chicago is actually worse when you drill down into the stats, so i want to get this right. one child age 16 or younger is murdered every week. 12 murders this past father's day weekend alone. christmas weekend, 12 murders and 27 shootings. this is all concentrated in five police districts. >> juan: i just want to emphasize, though, we should not confuse what is going on here in this story which is gang activity against cops who were working as kimberly said doing heroic work, undercover, plain clothed, unmarked car, trying

investigate the murder of a 15-year-old. so they're really doing amazing work as opposed to what is going on in the broader city of chicago where you have a lot of this black-on-black crime, latino-on-latino as jesse was talking about. >> kimberly: why isn't the mayor doing something about that? that's outrageous. >> juan: by the way, i think the mayor has been trying, kimberly but there's no magic solution. >> jesse: time to try a new mayor. >> juan: i think it might be time to say, you know what? a de in a lot of minority communities -- kimberly and i were talking about this before, a lot of fatherless boys falling out of school, no direction. limited economic opportunities. they somehow think shooting and killing over grudges is normal. this is bizarre. >> it does tie in, because in terms of the gangs, because i saw this, because i worked a gang detail as a prosecutor, ok? and what happens is when there isn't aren't any paternal or father figures in the home, the gangs move into that void to subplant it to say, we're your family now. we've got your back.

prove your loyalty to us and particularly take advantage of the younger kids and the juveniles to commit the crimes, because they go to juve first and not being tried as an adult. it's a very complicated and prevalent problem. that's what you see. with people coming in, immigrants from other countries, perhaps they're displaced, they don't have the family unit and they join these gangs and that's what we're seeing play out on the streets in cross america. it's a huge problem. >> juan: i just don't think it's all about the gangs. i do think, as jesse was saying, there are a lot of these broken families, fatherless families and i think you were going to say even in terms of some of the twisted behavior by people who support terrorist organizations. >> yeah, i mean the terrorist organizations prey on people on the same manner. >> kimberly: that's what they do. >> interesting peril. >> kimberly: there are other sociocomic problems as well. joblessness. >> jesse: politicians frame the problem. they always say gang activity or gang violence as though it's something independent of human

behavior like weather. you know what? we're seeing a lot of gang activity this weekend. you know, that's how they portray it when in fact you actually have to look at, ok, what are the -- the individuals involved? and then you realize something. so they go to other states and break into gun stores? that's actually -- get this, against the law, so it's not like you have a law that allows that to happen. so it's not an argument to say they go somewhere and get their guns, because that is breaking the law. it's against the law. don't treat it like gang activity. treat it like breaking the law. that means it's not mainly about the mentoring or i feel for you. it's like you committed a crime. it's this. i don't care if you're in a gang or not. >> it's personal responsibility. it's consequences. >> they're trying to obscure the trump insignia on trump tower in chicago. that's what people care about in chicago, not the gang violence. >> kimberly: all right, we're going to shut that down. all right, coming up, new data shows trump's tough talk is helping him fulfill a key campaign promise.

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e >> as "the five" reported earlier this week new data indicates the number of illegal border crossings are going down. now we can report the new department state stats show fewer refugees are coming to the united states since president trump came into office. in fact, last two months had the fewest refugee entries since 2013. could it be because president trump says things like this? >> in the united states courts, right now we have investigations going on all over, hundreds of refugees are under federal investigation for terrorism and related reasons. the best way to keep foreign terrorists or as some people would say, in certain instances, radical islamic terrorists from attacking our country is to stop them from entering our country in the first place. >> jesse: so it seems like the president's bully pulpit might

be having a pretty significant affect on these refugees coming into the united states. i mean, this happened, you know, on the southern border as well, and now it's happening here. k.g., what do you think? this guy really found his voice. it's having a really big effect? >> kimberly: it resignated with the american public and the people that supported him and put him in the white house. it's something people care deeply about, i believe. national security and part of that is secure borders and making sure we're rigorous and vigilant, although legal in terms of who we allow in. there's nothing wrong with vetting properly to make sure that you know exactly who you're dealing with. and now they know that there's someone in here that is not going to tolerate this. who is not just going to let people walk on in and come into the united states and commit acts of radical jihad. so i think the president is to be credited for this. they're taking him seriously. this is about respect, jesse and they know they're not going to get away with it. as you said, we've seen this mirrored in terms of the southern boreder with the numbers down in terms of people trying to get in i love the

deterrent affect he's having. as a former prosecutor, i love that. >> jesse: big deterrent effect. greg, they instituted a new vetting procedure. apparently under the obama administration vetting procedures, you weren't even allowed to look at someone's facebook page. now you're allowed to look at their facebook page. if they're liking an isis video, you can ask them about that. >> greg: i hope that's a relief. i hope they don't look at my twitter. >> jesse: you won't be allowed in. >> greg: they'll vet me. i have to say, you know, i -- we talk about the border crossings decreasing. it is in a way metaphorically trump is like the wall in setting up an attitude in which it'll be harder, however, i refuse to be the prisoner of two ideas. you can be pro-wall, pro-vetting pro-border enforcement but incredibly welcoming to refugees and i think it's very important as an american, because you won the geographic lottery, i could have been born there. i could be that guy on that boat

you know, leaving libya, but i'm not. i'm here. so i am for extreme vetting. i'm for strong enforcement, especially in the age of terror and technology where people could come over here and drop a dirty bomb or marry anthrax to a drone. you've got to be really careful but at the same time some of the best americans ever are the people who are grateful, the people who risked their lives to get here and who survived and want to make a good life here, so you have to find the good ones and get rid of the bad ones and send them back. i don't mean get rid in a different way you have to watch your language, but you don't have to be a prisoner two of ideas. you don't have to be anti or pro you can pick from the best. >> it's all important to distinguish from immigrants out of choice and free will would like to come here and refugees who end up oftentimes stranded on the border here because they're fleeing countries in which they're victims of war and terrorism and famine and genocide and all the horrible

conditions in the world and for hundreds of years, that's how part of the reason why we've been able to lead with moral authority in the universe is because we're one of the countries that could afford to and do open our arms to those people, so i think that's part of the distinction greg is trying to carve out as well. >> juan: i just want to pick up on what greg said because i thought it was so right that you have to make a distinction between people who are coming in illegally and referees and right now, you have in the u.s. senate a bipartisan group saying to the trump administration, explain to us why you have stopped? there's been an absolute pause in terms of the vetting process for people who are legitimate refugees fleeing war, famine, political oppression coming into the united states. that -- i mean. >> kimberly: people are dying while waiting to get here. >> jesse: president trump, i think, loves this country so much that he doesn't want to risk letting in one person that is going to do american citizens harm. >> juan: let me just say, so

many of the people that have done harm are american-born and in the u.s., jesse. >> jesse: a lot of terror incidents are connected to immigrants. >> kimberly: i'm sorry, how about san bernardino where the people were nice enough to throw them a baby shower and welcome them and then blew them all to pieces? that was charming. >> jesse: oh my goodness. >> it's also anecdotal. the crime rate amongst legal immigrants in this country is half that of the national average. >> juan: correct. >> 50%. chew it over. that's the big fact here. >> any illegal immigrant that commits one crime is one too many. that's how i feel about it. any more ahead as "the five" moves along, a prediction about health care from a conservative luminary up ahead. that college experience that i had. the classes, the friends, the independence.

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years, we'll be in a single-payer system. i think that's the great irony of this. >> juan: kimberly, this is an interesting moment. you have charles krauthammer agreeing with -- . >> kimberly: me? >> juan: what do you think about this idea that in fact even with the vote this week, republicans have bought into the idea that instead of allowing health care to become a free market determinative structure, it should be something that's guaranteed by the government? >> kimberly: well, i believe they're trying to do the right thing, which is commend president trump for that which is to make sure that all americans are insured. that sounds fair and equitable but they also want to make sure that americ able to have affordable health care which means you have to have a free market. there must be competition. there must be options so that you can then in fact keep the costs down. to me, that makes perfect sense. that's actually included in phase 2 instead of going forward with their plan. >> juan: i must say, jesse, i

don't see it in phase 1. in fact in phase 1, it indicates that there are 24 million people that would lose insurance, premiums would go up, and -- . >> jesse: premiums would go up? where would you see that, juan? >> juan: it's all over. >> jesse: all over, where? all over the mainstream media? >> juan: how about the congressional budget office? >> jesse: congressional budget office said it'll be a cheap plan and it ended up costing $7 billion. you can take that. >> juan: republican senators were saying it's crazy republicans rushed this through without allowing cbo to score it. >> jesse: you when they said you have to pass the health care bill so you can see what is in the health care bill. >> juan: jesse, you're going forward. >> juan: going forward over the edge of a cliff. he was talking about the government system. i would agree. the australian government system for health care is better than obamacare because obamacare is dead. it's in the death spiral and doesn't exist anymore. >> juan: because republicans are

trying to sabotage it. >> jesse: i don't want to ge get -- a guy wasted $1 bola web site that didn't work, juan come on. serious about this you couldn't get a web site off the ground and then -- . >> juan: what about the -- let me ask jillian to come back in here and save me. i need to be resuscitated. i need some obamacare. >> then you'll die. then you're going to die. oh my gosh! >> juan: so you have -- >> a word in defense of the cvp, well, they're a bipartisan organization. at a certain point, you do have to trust -- you don't have to take them at their word on everything, but you can't make the argument that they're partisan or that they screwed up so we never -- we throw it all out the window. you know -- like we have to have some kind of a baseline. in which you can measure it. >> greg: you shove it into the machine and it comes out a

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it's 10% of our population, 35 million people. size matters when it comes to creating these government bureaucracies. 19 australia where you have 23 million people, australia's spending is out of control. the reason is, because the patients are using the emergency room for minor conditions and there's the solution to the health problem. if we pay for the minor conditions and allow the government to pay for the larger catastrophic stuff, i.e. catastrophic insurance for a couple hundred dollars a year, $400, you actually solve the problem. even australia, australia tried to charge for emergency room visits, i think it was $6 a day, they wouldn't do it because you can't unfree a free thing. lastly, people always talk about the nhs some kind of superior process. i lived there. i read about it. the nhs in europe in europe had some of the worst records for pregnancy treatment and they have terrible, terrible records in terms of dealing with breast cancer and preventive, chronic diseases including strokes. people love the concept until

they're dealing with chronic diseases and then it's back to the free market. >> kimberly: single payer is not the answer. we have government-run health care and it's called the v.a.. how well that works. >> juan: it's a difference between something that cares for all americans, all the people and a few rich, you know, sheiks and celebrities. >> i also think that everyone can't have everything. in a private system like we have now, a for-profit system, the way i see it it's binary. you can either reduce costs or you can focus on increasing access to more and better kinds of coverage. i think that a little bit of what the trump administration is trying to sell right now is a rouse. i don't think they can do both. i hope they can and figure something out. >> juan: it could be jesse economics. stay right there. more coming up. silhouette briefs. featuring a comfortable sleek fit. as a dancer, i've learned you can't have any doubts. because looking good on stage is one thing.

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>> you know it's facebook friday! we answer your questions and we're going to start now. >> kimberly: that was weird. >> i know. i never know where this new thing. totally unnerves me from caleb c we'll start with you, jillian, what's your weirdest -- gillian, what's your weirdest pet peeve? >> gillian: that's easy, greg. gregg what? jill -- greg gregg what? >> gillian: uniquorns broken mugs. >> gillian: is it a horse or a unicorn? >> greg: what's your real pet peeve? >> gillian: i was thinking about it during the break. my real pet peeve is when you're on the train -- which i am like all the time, especially going the northeast corridor from d.c. to new york and someone, you know, like it's a two-seater and someone comes and sits down next to you but doesn't acknowledge you're alive. they don't say, like, oh, excuse me, i'm going sit here or, hi or -- and then they're like breathing in your face for four hours. >> greg: everyone say hello to

gillian. ill jill acknowledge we're living and -- . >> gillian: acknowledge we're living and breathing. >> greg: jesse, what's your pet peeve? >> jesse: besides juan, my pet peeve is probably expense reports. >> gillian: how are those going by the way? >> jesse: not well. i have a lot of debt the i need to pay off. >> greg: debt is injustice they use on employees so they don't spend as much. it's always the burden is on y you. juan? >> juan: i was thinking on one level like when i'm in restaurants and people immediately pour the beer, they pour the beer. i don't want them to pour the beer they always pour the beer badly and there's a big head. i want to pour the beer slowly at my own pace. people think they're being polite. it's almost like japanese, they pour the beer. the second thing that bugs me is double-parking. trying to get down a busy street someone takes up a whole lane. so selfish. but gillian, this thing on the

train, my problem is people will come down is next to you and start talking on their cell phone, good gracious. >> gillian: you should sit in the quiet car. >> kimberly: let's see. maybe it's people who sit next to you on a plane and because they actually happen to be sitting next to you on a plane, they all of a sudden assume they're in a relationship with you. you have to fly all night. did you get any rest? i have my eyes popped open keeping an eye on what is going on. >> greg: my pet peeve is when people criticize me for my volunteer work. it's like -- . >> kimberly: oh right! come on. >> greg: what really drives me crazy are the people crowding at the gate. you're going to get on the plane. and i understand it's because they're trying to get their bags up and then the airline says, they always say it's an extremely packed flight. when is it not an extremely packed flight? then they go, it's an

extraordinarily packed flight. and then they go -- then they keep adding adjectives. all of a sudden they start, we're going to have to check your bags. we're going to have to check your bags. just make up your minds, people! and that's what all these people have to crowd the front and they're all upset and nervous. and they're wearing cargo shor shorts. why? why? >> kimberly: starting with this guy. the worst flyer ever. >> greg: getting better actually. this is from charney, great name. who living or dead does the thought of interviewing send you into a panic? i'll start with you, kimberly. >> kimberly: living -- the dev devil! i mean, right? >> greg: someone that's real. >> kimberly: he is real. that was the number one answer on family feud, i think, right? do i get all the points. >> greg: i would -- i would with die to interview the devil. that would be amazing! that would be amazing.

oh man, imagine that being your first interview on your brand-new nbc show? that's better than the kardashians. i'll tell you that. i have no idea what i'm talking about. coming up, we have the devil. the devil is here. >> kimberly: stand down, little one. >> greg: it's a remote. it's a remote from middle earth. very hot. very hot. it's been a very hot summer. juan? >> juan: well, i mean, given the week we've had, i guess, given what president trump had to say about the civil war. you go back and say hey, andrew jackson, what are you thinking? i mean, you were dead, but what were you thinking about that civil war? could you have stopped it? yeah. >> greg: cheap shot, juan. what about you, jesse? >> jesse: um, you know, i don't really get panicked ever so i can't answer that question. >> kimberly: just about expense reports. >> greg: maybe that's your problem. maybe some panic might be good once in awhile. >> kimberly: he's so relaxed.

he's lying hey. hey. right. -- he's like hey. hey, right. >> greg: nobody? nobody? not a single person. >> jesse: nothing comes to mind, greg, that's the way i was born. >> greg: you were born that way. lady gaga, the quote there. >> gillian: that's a good answ answer. go with lady gaga. >> greg: in the meat dress. >> kimberly: ew. >> greg: what about you? >> gillian: i love it but all of that meat going to waste. depreg gregg jillian, -- . >> greg:, gillian, will you come up with an answer so we can end this statement? >> gillian: i'm going with you because it dobliving or dead it would be a great interview, a, because i could get you back for so much and, b, i would be terrified because you -- who knows what you would say. >> greg: i'd be very -- i'd be a very good interview. i often practice in the mirror. you know, i would -- i would

avoid people like gang kahn because -- genghis khan because you never know what the wrong answer might be and he might kill you in the interview. >> gillian: would you also be afraid of gigis khan. >> greg: someone is a little upset tonight. all right, ellen degeneres interviewed several u.s. presidents. she won't sit down with president trump. you'll hear why next.

♪ all because ♪ now if we're >> gillian: most talk show hosts would jump at the opportunity to interview the president of the united states, but not ellen degeneres. she's got no interest in ever booking a one-on-one with president trump. >> i've not spoken to him since he's run for president or become president. >> would you like him to come on the show? >> um, no. >> why not? why wouldn't someone like you like to sit down opposite the president of the united states? >> because i'm not going to change his mind. he's against everything that i stand for. we need to look at someone else

who looks different than us and believes in something that we don't believe in and still accept them and still hav have -- let them have their rights. >> gillian: so, guys, i mean, what's the problem? she's not -- ellen is not a journalist. as far as i know, she's never made any claims to journalistic integrity. she's got an entertainment show. why can't she interview or not interview whoever she wants? >> greg: that's not the question. the question is kind of moral cowardice. the applause is the answer to her question when she said no, she got the applause which means if she had said yes, she would have upset the people -- the people that already agree with her. she doesn't want to upset the people that agree with her. and she's turning down. >> gillian: it's about her audience? >> greg: and also she might even be jealous because he did and she didn't. he ran and won and she maybe thinks i could have done that. there are a lot of people in

entertainment who are saying that who said i could have done it. if he did it i could have. she's probably just kicking herself. >> gillian: isn't that i little bit kind of psychologically -- a little farfetched? >> greg: why not? i'm farfetched. >> gillian: i'm not saying it's not possible, i'm just, you know. it's a little bit psycho analysis. >> greg: i'm 100% right. >> gillian: what do you guys think? >> kimberly: he's right. he's right. what am i going to do? oh, ellen, you're so brave. she doesn't want to offend the people she likes and hangs out with and socializes. this is typically p.c. nonsense. then she got the expected clapping applause from the audience. >> greg: what's he against? >> kimberly: by the way, he's not against gay marriage. what are all -- everything she stands for? rights for gays and lesbians and by sexuals and transgender -- bisexuals and the transgender community? he's not against that. >> gillian: don't you think the audience, her friends in the whole hollywood community would

prefer to have her have him on the show? >> kimberly: free health care for everybody? plus education. >> jesse: he went on fallen's show. fallen tussled his hair it humanizes trump. everyone hated that. trump isn't coming on ellen so it's easy for her to say, yeah, come on, go for it go for it. it's unreal. >> juan: i can only imagine what stephen colbert is thinking while he's watching that. is he ever going to have trump on his show? >> kimberly: is he going to have a show? he's got zero class. he's also not funny. he's desperate in so many ways. >> juan: his ratings have jumped up as he's become the anti-trump voice at night. and made him competitive. >> kimberly: that's because he takes cheap shots that's not appropriate for television. >> juan: i got the myself in trouble for asking someone what did he say? i couldn't believe it. any way. i just think everyone in american media these days plays to some niche and ellen's niche clearly is not pro-trump. >> gillian: stick with your niche and call it a day.

>> jesse: then you get criticized for sticking to your niche. that means we're not talking to each other. we're not. >> gillian: you never stick to your niche. you always expand to it. >> gillian: stick with us, one more thing coming up next. rt as well. >> stick with us. one more thing is coming up next ♪ with an unlimited mileage warranty on your certified pre-owned mercedes-benz, you can drive as far as you want for up to three years and be covered. so no matter where you go, your peace of mind and confidence will be as unlimited...as your mileage. visit the certified pre-owned sales event, now through may 31st. and learn more about our unlimited mileage warranty, only at your authorized dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.

>> it's time now for one more thing. hello on, over here?

>> so back in november, stephen hawkins said we have thousand years left to live on the plan sxet guess what, he said only hundred years to find another planet for the human race. climate change and astroids. and we'll need artificialin intelligence. and he said it may kill us first. i want to go home, gregg. help me p. >> it is all about artificial intelligence. >> nonthinking consciousness will destroy us. i will talk about it on the gret gut field show. and we'll talk about stephen hawking and why those are going to destroy the earth. >> okay beautiful mind.

endangered lemmor news. and one stop source for all of your news needs. this is in chicago's lincoln primate house. look at this little dol. baby little lemmor. and the other's name is tucker. >> oh, carlsson. that is funny mother tucker. >> and what he said. it is funny. god, you people. get your minds out of the gutter. that's what i said. >> you are so innocent, gregg. little uncorn boy. and another kentucky derby news. you saw what it was today. horses with no horns out of their head, gregg. and 20 horses compete in the

kentucky derby. on average eight horses race against one another. one of the most talked about horses is is patch, the one eyed horse. he lost his eye to an ulcer and came out with a swollen and tearing eye and they had to remove it. he's the underdog. and we should root for him. 30- 1 shot. >> it is the derby and i might put money on patch. >> a lot of guys say i look like this guy here. >> because you do. >> not only do i look like him am. i speak like him, too. roll the tape. >> and roll the tape. >> what they need to do is take the stories and pivot and say this is what our new plan will do. >> pivot. >> pivot. pivot. pivot. pivot. pi on the. shut up, shut up, shut up.

it is boomerang yourself. >> i did. have a great weekend. everyone.hahahahahahahahahahaha. ♪ ♪ >> welcome to hannity it's been a very big week for donald trump. i'm eric bolling in for sean tonight. republicans helped. he took steps to protect religious freedom. he signed a new spending bill to keep the government's lights on and the unemployment rate has just dropped to the lowest level in 10 years. when it comes to the commander-in-chief's biggest one of the week though, healthcare. democrats are stooping to new lows to try and scare americans. take a look. >> well, people are going to lose their lives. people are going to lose their health coverage and these people think it's a party? they think it's something