♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." yesterday as you may have heard by now, the president fired fbi director james comey. the white house says comey got canned because he overstepped his bounds in the hillary clinton email investigation. whether you believe that explanation or not, there's an awful lot of evidence that come was the wrong man to run the world's most powerful law enforcement agency, so good riddance to him. under normal circumstances, en an awful lot of democrats here in washington would've agreed with that assessment. they never liked comey. they never trusted him and they had ample reason to feel that way, but these are not normal circumstances. donald trump is now the president, which in the view of the permanent washington class means that anything the white house does isn't simply wrong and immoral and stupid, but

literally the beginning of the end of america itself.y if you watch the cable news yappers over the past 24 hours, you've seenn it. jim comey's firing was a coup. the hindenburg, 3-mile island. any number of other historical disasters, none of them quiteac relevant to what actually happened yesterday but all of them awful, and that's the point. more than anything, comey's firing was, cue the ominous music here, a constitutional crisis. >> it's a grotesque abuse ofic power by the president of the united states. this is the kind of thing that goes on in nondemocracies. this is a dark day in american history. o >> a little whiff of fascism. a little whiff of i don't care about the law, i'm the boss. >> what may become known as thee tuesday afternoon massacre at the fbi. >> tucker: let's clear up one thing righter now. it's not a constitutional crisis when the constitution allows yos to do it.

the fbi director serves the c president and all presidents and can be dismissed at any time and sometimes he ought to be like yesterday. politicians sometimes screw upo and when they do, voters get to fire them in elections. but when an unelected bureaucrat with a 10-year term who commands his own army and can put you in prison, what do you do when a guy like that goes off the rails? that's a real problem.is in fact, it's the real threat to democracy people on television are f always lecturing the restf us about. that's where we were as of yesterday morning with comeyhe running the fbi. now that's been fixed.. no matter how you feel about trump, you'd better be happy about that. john nichols is a national affairs correspondent for the nation magazine and he joins us tonight. john, i know that we're probably on different sides politically but i know for a fact that you're worried about concentrations of power and i certainly am too. if you don't like the president, think he screwed up, you can impeach, can vote against him but if you don't like what the fbi director is doing, stepping outside the bounds, that is a real threat to everybody. a much bigger threat than a

president you don't like. so why aren't you happy about comey being fired? h >> well, i'm not sure that i would agree with you suggesting that a president stepping out-of-bounds is necessarily less significant than an fbi director stepping out-of-bounds. but the reason i'm not happy -- >> tucker: it's still a big deal if an fbi director who was unaccountable to voters start doing things that he shouldn't be doing and that's what this guy was doing, wouldn't you agree? >> here's where it gets interesting. there are a lot of people who would agree with the point that he was doing things that he shouldn't be doing. at many different points along the way. if president trump had come in to office having clearly watched director comey over many, many months and been very, very confident in what he was doing and talked about it a great n deal, he had come into office and said very early on, this guy is just wrong for this position and we need to get rid of him, that would have been something within the context of what

you're talking about here.on what i suggest is waiting this period of time, having your aides and other express confidence in director comey and then at a point where director comey is showing up in congress, testifying, talking about inquiries that touch on yoursh campaign, that is not the point at which you remove him from his position. n >> tucker: so you don't like the timing, and you don'tat like trump, and it's reasonable that you have those positions. i may not agree but whatever. but it doesn't change the facte that the outcome is good for the country. if i have a persistent cough and against all recommendations ignore it, when i finally went to go to the doctor, you can't say "man, you shouldn't be going to the doctor." i'm trying to fix somethingth that's wrong. and yesterday, we saw a persistent problem in the american political life, the fbi director overstepping his bounds fixed. why not just say amen? >> it happened that last night when it was announced, i was with a group of nuns and

laypeople doing a talk andnc wht i was struck by was that they weren't all saying amen. they came from many, many different backgrounds and many, many different traditions and yet there was a universal concern. the concern was that timing does matter. and the intents and actions of the president in removing someone from a position do matter. that's why you get concerned about when this happened and how it happened and frankly why it happened. >> tucker: so you're upset about motive i guess is what you're saying? that's not really how our system works. famous figures in americanou history have done the right things time and again because of political pressure as you know. many books have been written about this, movies made and what we care about is that good things are done. the emancipation proclamation is signed however we got there. i'm not comparing this to that but i'm saying the outcome matters more than anything else.

and i think you can't see that because you dislike trump so much that you're blinded tonk hm acting in your own interest in this one case. >> let me offer you a notion here. i don't think that president trump has closed the circle on this thing yet. he has removed the director ofnk the fbi. he has provoked a great deal of controversy. he has been criticized by democrats but also by republicans, and quite a few republicans have stepped up to express concern. for president trump, the next major act is going to be to pick a new fbi director. in many ways, that will be the point at which either you're right or i'm right and if he picks someone who is a sycophantic person, someone who seems to be more in his service than in the service of the country and in the service of the fbi, then these concerns that have been expressed at this point are going to be very legitimate. if he puts lindsay graham in, i suspect that there will be

a lot of people saying that's okay. >> tucker: here's the point. i'm not administering communion to the president. i'm an american a citizen. i'm not as interested in his personal virtue as you appear to be. i care more about what he does rather than why he does it, and i think that's a valid point, but let me suggest one thing. part of the problem with what happened yesterday is the increase in temperature and one of the reasons politically in this country to an almost t unsustainable degree. one of the reasons that has happened, people like you are calling it a coup. you said it in a tweet yesterday. can you hear me? >> i apologize. >> tucker: to sum up, yesterday you had a tweet calling this a coup. you're a smart guy. you said on a tweet saying it's coup de trump. there needs to be a pulitzer prize for headline writing. how could it be a coup? you're reinforcing the ideal

-- the view among the wacko left this is a coup. when he fired someone who works for him. is it a self coup? why talk like that to people who pay attention to your opinion? >> because i think that we need to understand this is a very serious moment, and of course i happen to be a big fan of the new york daily news headlines. i think they have been very creative in doing that, and that was their headline this morning. my bottom line on this and in the pieces that i've written about this is to quote senior members of congress, people that have been there for a very long time who are expressing deep concerns about the actions ofha the president and about the respect of this president and this administration for the constitutional checks and balances and for frankly an investigation into this president that ought to be taken seriously. >> tucker: look, it's irrational to call it ari coup. it's irresponsible to do so because a lot of people who read your twitter feed are going to

nod in agreements and say that w is what it is when it's not, as you well know. and second, there is an investigation ongoing byhi the department of justice, by the fbi that has not stopped by this, right? and third, if you want to be totally honest about it, firing comey, trump didn't reduce the amount of attention on the russian investigation, he dramatically intensified it so if this is a cover-up, it's the most inept cover-up ever staged. why not just tell the truth about that? wouldn't it be. easier? >> well, perhaps that is an interesting question. because this president did not apparently take the advice of the deputy attorney general who said that you shouldn't take any action on this lightly, that you should think very seriously about what you're doing. and yet every evidence that president trump did take this lightly, that he did not take seriously the removal of the director of the fbi. >> tucker: how would you know that? did trump tell you that? like, that's a fundamentally unknowable thing. when you can the fbi director, the presumption is that you took it seriously because why wouldn't you? why do you think he didn't take

it seriously? i mean, i don't know, but i would never claim that i know his motive because i don't. how would you?wul >> i would tell you that there've been an awful lot of reports that the trump white house was surprised by the response to this. there are reports that people t actually thought democrats would be excited about the removal of james comey. and everybody would jump in line and everybody would be happy. i don't know, and you don't either whether that is e the ca, but there's certainly been an awful lot of talk about thatth today and again, if you're going to remove the director of the fbi, wouldn't it be wise to take that step but have thought it through enough to have a replacement ready?it >> tucker: i don't know. i guess he'd be criticized for preemptive replacement of the fbi director. i don't know. i'm not a political strategist.t i just think that we should all engage in more temperate rhetoric and i hope you'll join me in that. thank you for coming on tonight. >> it's been a pleasure, tucker. thanks for having me. >> tucker: for more on the profoundly intemperate responsea

the insane response by the press to what happened yesterday, we're joined by a reporterns who writes for "the hill."ay joe, even if you were like comey's brother-in-law and love the guy, i don't think you'd say some of the things we watched on television over the last 24 hours.ey it's a full meltdown. >> the worst we've ever seen in terms of our politicians, in terms of hypocrisy, the worstn. we've seen from our media in terms of hyperbole. hypocrisy is easy. you could point to any democrat, they went the full john kerry where they were for jimyo comey being fired before they were against it. so that's horrible and that's in plain sight when you see that, but from a media perspective again, it's the media that cries wolf. they cried every day since june of 2015 went trump down thelf escalator and every day it's a crisis on this case, a constitutional crisis. but here's something i don't see anybody doing in terms of reporting what the american people think of this firing. harvard university and harris provided a poll exclusively to "the hill," my publication in march and april talking about

favorability of jim comey. what do you think of jim comey in terms of favorability, unfavorability? 17% said in march and 18% invo april, when you ask democrats that same question, it becomes 12%. let's add it all up. you have a deputy attorney general just appointed two weeks ago, 94-6 votes recommending that comey be gone. you have politicians on both side of the aisle recommending that comey be gone. you have most importantlyve because we've heard media members saying we're not going to talk to each other anymore saying that jim comey is not doing a good job and yet as you say, we are at defcon 1 in terms of hysterical reaction, people sitting at home are probably saying i kind of agree with this happening. >> tucker: yeah, or i'm totally confused. why are the people on my tv set hyperventilating? one of the problems here is when you have a perch on television, your job is to have some perspective to see this in a big picture and not jump to conclusions that may be wrong.

to be sort of an adult. i don't see any adults out there across the landscape of cable television except maybe the ones i work with. >> i used to think that anderson cooper was an adult and you could go google me right now, and you will see almost every comment i've ever written about him has been a positive review of something that he's done. yesterday, he reads a letter that trump wrote to comey and calls trump a fifth-grader. he then proceeds to act like a fifth-grader where you can see on your screen, kellyanne conway, rolling his eyes repeatedly at her answers. y let's put it this way becauses he's an anchor. he's not a host. he's not a shock jock. he is an anchor. he's the face of cnn. let's say bret baier had interviewed a senior female administration official in valerie jarrett a year ago and continually rolled his eyesri in a condescending, disdainful fashion. what do you think the reaction would be? >> tucker: i don't want to think

about it. >> it'd be the apocalypse. that's the only movie i can see here. that was most disappointing to me because i thought anderson cooper was above that kind of behavior and insteados of criticism from the media, you have cbs market watch saying that that was the eye roll heard round the world. you can't hear an eye roll. you see it, and you shouldn't be applauding it, you should be saying as you say, let's raise the discourse a little bit and stop the eye rolls. >> tucker: this is what happens when you work in a newsroom where every single person has exactly the same political views and there's no air in thesr room and you think that your stupid opinions represent the country. they're destroying themselves. >> one more point if we have a second. everybody talks about the timing of the firing as well. but nobody ever offers when a good time would have been to fire jim comey. hillary would've done it day one, but if donald trump does, that's retribution for not offering an indictment to loretta lynch when the email scandal happened. if he does it in march, that's when comey announced that there was an investigation. can't do it then.

so when's a good time? >> tucker: i'm going to ask that in a minute when we talk to a member of congress. thanks for joining us tonight. we've got an alert for you tonight. the senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed former national security advisor general michael flynn for anyen documents related to the panels investigation into potential election meddling by russia. two heads of the committee, republican chairman richard burr and democratic vice chair mark warner of virginia said the documents were first requested back in april but flynn'sch attorney refused to cooperate voluntarily and that's why they subpoenaed him. we'll keep you updated on the story as it develops. every week, air traffic in this country reaches a new and appalling low. we've got two more videos that prove that point. they're pretty unbelievable. also, the media aren't the only ones debasing themselves last night. u politicians did their best of course. the best examples, also the worst just ahead.

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>> tucker: the press put on a remarkable show of distress over director comey being fired, but don't forget politicians are paid performers too. good ones. their performance last night was better than anything you saw on television. watch this. >> this is the kind of authoritarian behavior we've seen spread in other parts of the world. if we don't stop it now, i'm very worried about what could happen. >> i think the president took this action because he feels the noose tightening in the russian investigation. >> we face a looming constitutional crisis very much like what happened in 1973,

the midnight massacre. >> comey was not fired because of hillary. comey was fired because of the russians. >> tucker: it's just insane actually. sean maloney, a democrat representing new york, and he joins us now. so many questions for you. how could it be a constitutional crisis for the president if it is something that he is allowed to do in the constitution? >> i don't think it's a constitutional crisis but i think it is a cause for concern and the reason is because donald trump was for jim comey before he was against him and the question was what changed? >> tucker: it's an entirely fair question, and i would ask the same question of you and the democratic leadership who was totally against jim comey saying we don't have any confidence in him. he ought to be candid -- canned, and when he is, it's looming fascism. my question, elizabeth warren can't know why he was fired. elizabeth warren has a massive following on social media and american life. people listen to her and when she gets on television and says i know why he was fired, was because of russia, you actually don't know that and you're an opinion leader. why are you saying crap like

that that you don't know is true? that's totally irresponsible. why would you say something like that? >> i wouldn't let elizabeth warren get to you. >> tucker: why wouldn't i? she's parroted by the rest of you. >> not by me, but i would be concerned when the fbi director is investigating someone and that person fires them. that's of concern and he is the third federal prosecutor's been fired by this president who is looking into the white house or the vice president. >> tucker: was trump -- this may be breaking news, i didn't know trump was the subject of investigation by the fbi. i don't think we know that either. >> i think the fbi director has made perfectly clear that the trump campaign and a bunch of people around the president are being investigated. >> tucker: you just said he was investigating trump but i didn't know that. do you have knowledge that the rest of us weren't aware of? >> come on. i'll tell you exactly what i meant. you're investigating senior officials of the trump campaign for a variety of connections to the russians.

the fbi director and the entire intelligence committee says that's a big deal. you now have the president of the united states firing the person who is investigating him. that is unprecedented in american history. no president has ever fired an fbi director for that reason. so that's probably a headline. >> tucker: for that reason? we don't know that he fired him for that reason, and i would remind you that you're an elected official with responsibility to say things that are true, and you're violating that responsibility because you don't know why he got fired, and i would also say if you're suggesting the russian investigation will somehow end now or that it won't in fact become magnified more intensely, you're just wrong. if you try to cover it up, it's not working. >> the watergate investigation didn't end when richard nixon fired archibald cox. doesn't make it right, and i do think you ought to look at what the white house said within the last hour. they change their story, maybe you noticed. it is no longer the white house story like it was all day that this was rod rosenstein's idea at the justice department. we now know because the white house just said it, that the president met with the attorney

general, who was supposed to be recused, and the deputy attorney general on monday, expressed his concerns about jim comey's testimony about russia and concluded that he should go, and then the deputy attorney general went back and wrote that memo. that wasn't their story this morning. they just admitted it. i take that seriously. >> tucker: i'm not in charge of the white house story line, thank heaven. i'm merely an american citizen and jim comey the other day before congress made a statement to the effect of i like loretta lynch. i'm not attacking her personally. to me that summed up the problem with jim comey. his personal feelings about any person, former attorney general, former senator from new york, anybody, should play no role in his job as fbi director. this guy was a compromised fbi director. i'm not saying that as a partisan, i'm saying that as an american. i know you agree with me, so why shouldn't we be thankful that he's no longer running the world's most powerful law enforcement agency? >> i am glad that he is gone.

i think he did a terrible job, and i'm happy to agree with you on that. but i do think we should be careful when that person is also performing an investigation and he is fired abruptly without warning and that firing is unprecedented in american history. what's better is to have a replacement in place who was a qualified person to take over or to do it in a more professional way. why do you fire without warning? why would you fire jim comey without warning? it's equally disrespectful to the fbi, really important counterterrorism investigations, organized crime investigations. why would you knock out the leader without any opportunity to do a transition, to help the replacement learn from what he's doing? it's very disruptive. >> tucker: again, we don't know why he did it. you don't either. >> can i stop you right there? the white house an hour ago just said more about why they did it, and this is the white house speaking. >> tucker: you don't believe

a thing they say. neither of us knows exactly what happened. >> in the interest of informing your viewers, the white house just said that the president watched the director's testimony, became concerned about it, and met with the attorney general who was supposed to be recused on the deputy attorney. that was unknown of just an hour ago. >> tucker: i remain in the dark as to all the details as do you. i'm not pretending that i understand the motives of people with whom i haven't spoken. we're out of time. thank you for joining us. congresswoman maxine waters of los angeles has become a hero on the left because she is willing to call people she doesn't like bigots. up next, we'll investigate her own record on race relations. it's remarkable. stay tuned.

>> tucker: if you follow politics at all, you probably don't think of california congressman maxine waters as a moral leader of any kind. ethics problems, statements, the countless unpleasant exchanges of the people for fellow democrats used to seem kind of embarrassed of her but no longer. according to the "los angeles times," waters has become auntie maxine, a folk hero for her love and sassy ways. here's some actual tape of auntie maxine from just the other day describing attorney general jeff sessions. judge for yourself. >> i think that jeff sessions is a racist, and i think that he absolutely believes that it's

his job to keep minorities in their place. i think he's very j dangerous. he comes from a time and a place in his history where this was the order of the day. >> tucker: maxine waters is calling someone else a racist. we have long memories on this show, long enough to recall the l.a. riots of 1992. you remember those? 58 people died, many more were l gravely injured, including a ma9 called reginald denny, who was a truck driver who happened to be at the wrong intersection at the wrong time, and more than anything the wrong color. because of his race, he was pulled from his truck and smashed in the head with a cinder block until he sustained damage.. it was a hate crime if there ever was one. it all happened on videotape. a helicopter caught it. it happened in maxine waters' city. but she did not denounce the attack. on the contrary, she all but endorsed the attack. the leader of the mob that nearly murdered reginald denny was called damien williams. maxine visited his mother to offer her support. he was sent to prison on a single felony charge of mayhem,

and when his accomplices got off, she joined in the celebration. williams he was released a few years later and went on to murder somebody else in 2000. he's still in prison today. waters did not learn a thing from the experience. she went on to describe the l.a. race riots as quote "a rebellion" in ways understandable, including apparently the part about a smashing people's brains in for being the wrong color. that's the democratic party's new expert on race relations. we invited congressman waters onto the show, we've done it many times, she's never agreed to come on. so instead we have some with a little more bravery and we found it.d monique presley is an attorney from here in d.c. thank you for being bold enough to come on. >> it's not that scary. >> tucker: i don't think it is at all. i'm not saying that maxine waters should be in prison. i am saying that given that history, she shouldn't be in congress, she shouldn't be defended by her colleagues ande she certainly shouldn't be weighing in on race relations.s.

that puts her outside the pale. endorsing the violence, crossing the line and she crossed it. >> i don't know if we'd have our current president if that was the line. because he's endorsed violence, he's promoted violence, he's propagated violence. >> tucker: if you can name an incident where the current president had the horrible shooter down in south carolina, if he had visited that guy's family to offer his condolences, that would be -- that is not acceptable. he's done nothing like that. >> perhaps stood in front of thousands of people and said there was a day when that person would've been taken somewhere and roughed up. how many different -- id was about to call them protests, but they weren't. they were rallies. how many different rallies where there were people put out for doing what it is their right to do, which is protesting, and we had from then candidate trump, now president trump an insistence upon the fact thatt people in the crowd were right to jeer to want them thrown out.

i'm saying that that's not the line. >> tucker: so it's okayyi now is what you're saying? >> no, what i'm saying is it's not okay. but you said if a person was willing to support or encourage violence is what you said, then they don't deserve -- >> tucker: i'm saying there are a lot of things that we say that's bigoted, that's racist, whatever..>> we can debate what those are, but if you have a person who's nearly murdered simply becausere the color of his skin, any color, you can't congratulate that person in effect, and she did. and so i'm just saying she's gotten away with that for 25 years.y that's a very different thing from what you're describing at the trump rallies. not my job to defend trump's statements at thosee rallies. but it's not even in the same category as what maxine waters said. my only point is how can she be a folk hero on the left if she did something like that? >> i guess what i was saying is i don't understand how president trump can be president of the united states for the many

sundry things that he's done, but our voters are the ones who decide who should and shouldn't be in office. so when you're saying how can someone be in office, the answer to that always is that unless -- >> tucker: i'm not saying that. i'm not asking that question. i'm not arguing against democracy. i don't think she ought to be in office, but what i really don't think is she ought to have the adulation or even the cover of her colleagues. fellow democrats. i find it inexplicable that you would be held up as some sort of wisdom on racial matters,t much less be allowed to call someone else racist. >> i don't even know that she is held up as a fountain of wisdom on racism, and that that is why people, especially young people, millennials call her congressman waters. but what i'm saying is that thee people on the left have reasons to believe that she is a listener to the issues of the day, and i think that that's

correct, and i also think that she has a right to say what she thinks. and the new clip she said, she said i think that, and we all have opinions. >> tucker: i'm not contesting anyone's right to say what he or she thinks or for someone to be elected. i'm not a liberal so therefore i believe in free speech and democracy. >> clever. b >> tucker: let me just ask a really simple question. we're in a moment of maximum political tension where people c are really starting to hate each other. we're moving forward to real separation in this country. >> we think we're moving from what? when did we come together? were they less intense 200 years ago? where they less intense 100 years ago? >> tucker: things are bad right now. >> in the '90s. >> tucker: you're saying

is paul potts killed a lot of people -- >> you can describe it as bad, but i'm actually listening to what you're saying and what you said is that we are moving towards something, and i think if you look at the continuum of our history that that's just not true.re >> tucker: if we could end the history lesson really quick. we could debate this, and i think it's a valid question. my only point is, things arend getting super intense, and it's bad, bad for the country, v and some people are going to get hurt. >> i don't even know that that's true. i think what things are getting is vocalized. i think people who were once marginalized and oppressed now have a voice, and they're using it in a manner in which they use it whether on the right or on the left is a way that offends some.. >> tucker: to scream racist to somebody, which is the new motive on the left, you're not adding anything to this or d detracting. >> i don't think racism is new.

i think calling someone a racist when they are one may be new. >> tucker: it's too irresponsible to just run around and say, to cast blood libel on people without evidence. that's all i'm saying. >> it's not blood libel, and it's not lacking in evidence, but if you look at the comments she made about attorney general sessions, they weren't based on zero evidence. i think that racism if you look at it by definition, is determined not by what your private thoughts are but what your public actions are. when you look at someone as attorney general sessions, voter i.d. law, immigration. >> tucker: i think i am rising to your bait because the things you are saying arend so false ad i'm getting caught up in the detail thing. >> facts. >> tucker: the i.d. controversy. >> the minute he gets in office -- >> tucker: it has nothing to do with race. there's no way to backup what you just said.

>> the courts found not just discriminatory -- discriminatory intent. if the courts got it wrong, i support them. >> tucker: they did and they can't support it with the numbers. >> we'll find out in the supreme court. >> tucker: thank you for joining us. >> i was glad to be here. >> tucker: duke university still a prestigious school, right? not so fast. o a professor ran off campus because he didn't want to spend two days feeling guilty. plus shocking news of another flight gone horribly wrong. which airline is it this f time? the latest madness, the day's craziest story? we have a panel to decide. stay tuned.ad the uncertainties of hep c. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks.

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he keeps getting back in. in l.a., the school district there has declared itself a sanctuary district. that will make the schools better.is it will teach kids and their families about their rights when interacting with federal agents, help them avoid deportation. the district will also offer immigrants free legal support at public expense and create a rapid response network to help students, paid by federal -- detained by federal officia officials. in texas, the small town has sued over that state law abolishing sanctuary cities saying it has offered refuge to mexican arrivals since before texas was even a state. if it isn't clear yet, m the country is being overwhelmed and not only is your government powerless to stop it but in many cases, they are cheerleading it. alex nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at the cato institute here in washington and he joins us. so tonight, alex, the idea that a town or city would be paying using tax dollars of citizens to facilitate an illegal act like illegal immigration really makes

me think that we are moving toward something unprecedented and horrible.al i can't imagine how you can support some like this. >> i don't support a local community or a town using taxpayer dollars to disband anne -- to defend own illegal immigrant or anything like that. but i do think it's appropriate is some local towns and communities having rules about to the degree which they will cooperate with customsie enforcement. that's really the line that i think is drawn. >> tucker: we're way past that. i used to think that the argument from the left was you can deport people who've committed crimes, violent crime, property crime, but leave the rest here. now the new position on the left as articulated in a piece you're quoted in in the "l.a. times," two different big immigration groups are arguing the national day labor organizing network and the coalition for immigrant rights of l.a., both are arguing that the u.s. government has the right to deport nobody here illegally, nobody, no matter what you've done, you must be allowed to stay.ep that just seems insane.

>> it is insane, and i think it's wrong, and i'm quoted in that piece pushing against that perspective. i'm saying in that piece as i have elsewhere that violent and property criminals, people who were convicted of these sinsns these offenses should be deported they should serve their sentences in the united states, they should be shipped back to their home country, and almost 100% of the federal and state and local immigration enforcement operations should be devoted to those people entirely. they shouldn't be wasted on people who are not violent or property offenders. we should go after these folks w and those groups. i've worked with those groups in the past. a i know some people of those groups, and i've told them i disagree several times. i'm very disappointed to see that they've gone in that direction. >> tucker: you can see where this is going, the elimination of any distinction between citizen and noncitizen, the recognition of borders out the window and the next line of i argument, you're going to hear it within a year, i bet money on it, is why shouldn't illegal immigrants be allowed to vote? they're participating in the economy, they have the right to government. >> i don't doubt i'm going to

hear it, but it's not going to go anywhere. these groups are pretty margina marginal. i'm hearing this from just a handful of people here right now. what's interesting is prior to the 1920s, virtually all foreign people in the united states, even if they weren't citizens,s, could vote here in the united states. so in a weird way t -- >> tucker: you support going back to that? >> i don't support going back to that. >> tucker: we have a lot of customs in the 1920s and '30s that shouldn't come back. >> these groups are going back to a weird kind of old way of interpreting these types of laws in an attempt to be modern liberals looking back to a more conservative way of doing things.em >> tucker: it's just bizarre. thanks for coming on tonight.. president obama is worried about carbon so much that hear traveld to reach a european climate conference. wait till you see the size of his motorcade. and then another baffling video of air travel gone completely off the rails. which of these two stories is weirder? we'll decide that up next. next.

>> tucker: there is so much weird news out there, as we've proved night after night after night. we only get an hour to cover it all, and the question always arises, what is the weirdest? what's the strangest new story of the day? we created an entire new segment, top that, joined by q gillian turner, who dramatically improved the security council under a few presidents and a few -- andns lisa boothe. >> i was only at the national security council once that onest day.y.

>> tucker: i gave you a massive upgrade. >> take it if you have it. >> so just when you think the airlines cannot get any worse, when there cannot possibly be anything in the universeib worse than the airlines, i am here to remind you that actually people are worse than the airline. people are the worst. >> tucker: they are.li >> the worst. it doesn't even matter what you do to them, they're just terrible. so what happened this week, you've been hearing a lot of chaos all around the country, riots, the spirit airlinesar canceled flights, but the other day on southwest airlines, here's a video of the horror and the carnage. it's two men getting into a fist fight as the plane lands, and the plane is flying into burbank airport in california. they just are going at it. apparently for no reason. they were in a heated exchange, then one guy just punches the other guy and flips them over into the seat in front of him. it was crazy. they had to get the stewardesses trying to intervene, but they weren't strong enough, and then

finally, they had guards come on. one guy ended up in jail. the other one ended up in the hospital. you can't -- >> tucker: to think they're flying into burbank and not las vegas is just mind-blowing.u >> it was coming from dallas and it was going to oakland. pretty harmless places to go. >> tucker: that's pretty weird. she's got a head start, i have to say. >> the skies are not friendly anymore. >> tucker: they're dangerous. can you get weirder than that? >> i'm sure going to try. if you care deeply about thehe environment and you're heading to a conference about the subject matter, wouldn't you want to do that, wouldn't you want to travel inu an environmentally friendly way? >> tucker: i would walk, w needless to say.y. i would skateboard, whatever. >> former president obama chose not to do that. he actually chose to leave the biggest carbon footprint imaginable, and he did so with a private jet. there was a helicopter following him in the sky, 14 car convoy, 300 police officers, motorcycles

to boot, and mind you, this is shortly following him cruising around on a super yacht whichan isn't exactly environmentally friendly as well. so seeing what we have come to realize is he had the samefi travel agent as leonardo dicaprio. >> tucker: he took a motorcade to a global warming conference? why not just send a tire fire or empty a thousand aerosol cans? >> you missed the joke about leonardo dicaprio. >> that's a pity laugh. laugh at my joke. it was a good one. i've been working on it. i was so excited. >> tucker: for the first time in this short history of this segment, you both win. [laughter] we'll be right back. hey dad, come meet the new guy. the new guy? what new guy? i hired some help. he really knows his wine. this is the new guy? hello, my name is watson.

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thought. he hasn't made a lot of news until now, that changed three months ago when the entire duke divinity faculty received an email. from a fellow professor called --dash to urge her colleagues to set away two full days where they'd be trained to address institutional racism at duke. he suggested his colleagues at the pass as well. he predicted to be "likely flaccid and full of cliches." that was unlikely to be truth is no defense in the modern academy. he was denounced immediately by the school's dean, who in an orwellian twist said his comments equaled racism, sexism, and forms of bigotry even though it didn't. at duke, that was enough. within a short time, he got twod the disciplinary charges. banned from faculty meetings. did not have access to research money or travel. it worked, he will resign from

duke in the spring. the school continues to pretend oppressive, don't believe them. we will see you tomorrow. have a great night. ♪ >> kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters, dana perino, "the five." so, mr. president -- why did you fire director comey?r >> he wasn't doing a good job, very simply. >> did it affect your meeting with the russians today? >> nope. so, comey is no longer his homey. flipping more scripts than a coked up screenwriter. look what he has done to the democrats.