good night, everybody, . >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." yesterday as you may have heard by now, the president fired fbi director james, a. the white house says comey got canned because he overstepped his bounds in the hillary clinton email investigation. whether you believe that explanation or not there's an awful lot of evidence that we do with wrong man to run the world's most powerful law enforcement agencies a good riddance to him. under normal circumstances, an awful lot of democrats here in washington would've agreed with that assessment. they never liked comey they never trusted him and they had ample reason to feel that way but these are not normal circumstances. donald trump is now the president which in the view of

the permanent washington class means that anything the white house does is it simply wrong and immoral and stupid but literally the beginning of the end of america itself. if you watch the cable news gap is over the past 24 hours, you've seen it. jim cummings firing was a cute credit and a number of other historical disasters, none of them quite relevant to what actually happened yesterday but all of them awful and that's the point. more than anything, comey's system, cue the ominous music here, a constitutional crisis. >> is a grotesque abuse of power by the president of the united states. this is the kind of thing that goes on in the nondemocracies. this is a dark day in american history. >> a little width of sap fascism. a little with love i don't care about the law, i'm the boss. big what may become known as a tuesday afternoon massacre at the fbi. >> tucker: let's clear up one

thing right now. is not a constitutional crisis when the constitution allows you to do it. the fbi director serves the president and all presidents and can be dismissed to any times and sometimes he ought to be like yesterday. politicians sometimes grew up in when they do, voters get to fire them in elections. the one an unelected bureaucrat with a 10-year term who commands his own army and can put you in prison, what do you do when a guy like that goes off the rails? that's a real problem. in fact, it's the real threat to democracy people on television are always lecturing the rest of us about. that's where we were as of yesterday morning with comey running the fbi. now that's been fixed. no matter how you feel about trump, you'd better be happy about that. john nichols is a national correspondent for the nation magazine and he joins us tonight. john, i know that were probably on different sides politically but i know for fact that you're worried about concentrations of power and i certainly am too. if you don't like the president, think he screwed up, you can impeach and are motivated in but if you don't like what the fbi director is doing, stepping

outside the bounds, that is real threat to everybody. a much bigger threat than a president you don't like. so why are you happy about comey being fired? >> i'm not sure that i would agree with you suggesting that a president stepping out-of-bounds is necessarily less significant than fbi director stepping out-of-bounds. but the reason i'm not happy -- >> tucker: is still a big deal if an fbi director who was on accountable to voters start doing things that he shouldn't be doing and that's with this guy was doing when you agree? >> here's where it gets interesting. there are a lot of people who would agree with the point that he was doing things that he should be doing. at many different points along the way. if president trump had come in the office having clear we watched director comey over many, many months and been very, very calm fishes what he was doing and talked about it a great deal, hit, in the office and said very early on, this guy is just wrong for this position and we need to get rid of him,

that would have been something within the context of what you're talking about here. what i suggest is waiting this period of time, having your aids and other express confidence in director comey and then at a point where director comey is showing up in congress, testifying, talking about inquiries that touch on your campaign, that is not the point at which you remove him from his position. >> tucker: so you don't like the timing and you don't like trump and it's reasonable that you have those positions. i may not agree but whatever. but it doesn't change the fact that the outcome is good for the country. if i have a persistent cough and against all recommendations ignore it, when i finally went to go to the doctor, you can say man, he should be going to the doctor. i'm trying to fix them and that's wrong. and yesterday, we saw a persistent problem and american political life, the fbi director overstepping his bounds fixed. why not just say amen? >> it happened last night when it was announced.

with a group of nuns and laypeople doing the talk and what i was struck by was that they weren't all saying amen. they came from many, many different backgrounds and many, many different traditions and yet there was a universal concern. the concern was that timing does matter. and the intense and actions of the president in removing someone from a position to matter. that's why you get concerned about when this happened and how it happened and frankly why it happens. >> tucker: so you're upset about motive i guess is what you're saying? that's not really how our system works. famous figures in american history have done the right things time and again because of political pressure as you know. many books have been written about this, movies made and what we care about is that good things are done. the emancipation proclamation assigned however we got there. i'm not comparing this to that

but i'm saying the outcome matters more than anything else. and i think you can see that because you dislike trump so much that you're blinded to him acting in your own interest in this one case? >> let me offer you a notion here. i don't think that president trump has close the circle on this thing yet. he has removed the director of the fbi. he has provoked a great deal of controversy. he has been criticized by democrats but also by republicans and quite a few republicans have stepped up to express concern. for president trump, the next major act of going to be to pick a new fbi director. in many ways, that will be the point at which either you're right or i might and if he pick someone who is a sycophantic person, someone who seems to be more in his service than in the service of the country and in the service of the fbi, then these concerns that have been expressed at this point are going to be very legitimate.

if he puts lindsay graham in who, i suspect that there will be a lot of people saying that's okay. >> tucker: here's the point. i'm not administrating communion to the president. i'm an american citizen. i'm not as interested in his personal virtue as you appear to be. i care more about what he does rather than what he does and i think that's a valid point the limits of just one thing. part of the problem with what happened yesterday as the increase in temperature and one of the reasons split ugly in this country to an almost unstable degree. one of the reasons that has happened, people like you are calling it a coup. you said in a tweet yesterday. can you hear me? >> i apologize. >> tucker: to sum up, yesterday you had a tweet calling this a coup. you're a smart guy. he said on a tweet saying it's cuda trump. that is to be a pulitzer prize for headline writing. how could it be a coup? your reinforcing they ideal

among the wacko left this is a coup. when he fired seven who works for him. is it a self coup? why talk like that to people who pay attention to your opinion? >> because i think that we need to understand this is a very serious moment and of course i happen to be a big fan of the new york daily news headlines. i think they have very incredible and doing that and that was their headline this morning. my bottom line on this and in the pieces that i've written about this is the quote senior members of congress, people that have been there for very long time who are expressing deep concerns about the actions of the president and about the respect of this president and this administration for the constitutional checks and balances and for frankly an investigation into this president that ought to be taken seriously. >> tucker: it's irrational to call the coup. it's irresponsible to do so because a lot of people who read your twitter feed are going to nod and a vote on agreements of that's what it is when it's not

as you well know and second, there is an investigation ongoing by the department of justice, by the fbi that has not stopped by this, right? and third, if you want to be totally honest about it, firing comey trump didn't reduce the amount of attention on the russian investigation, he dramatically intensified it so this is a cover-up and, it's the most inept cover-up ever stage. why not just tell the truth about that? wouldn't it be easier? >> perhaps that is an interesting question. because as president did not apparently take the advice of the deputy attorney general who said that you shouldn't take any action on a slightly, that you should think very seriously about what you're doing. and yet every evidence that president trump to take this lightly, that he did not take seriously the removal of the director of the fbi. >> tucker: how would you know that? to trump tell you that? that's a funnel mentally unknowable thing. when you can the fbi director, the perception is that you took

at seriously because why wouldn't you? why do you think he didn't take it seriously? i don't know but i would never claim that i know his motive because i don't. how would you? >> i would tell you that there've been and also a lot of reports that the trump white house was surprised by the response to this. there are reports that people actually thought democrats would be excited about the removal of james comey. and everybody would jump in line and everybody would be happy. i don't know and you don't either whether that is the case, but there's certainly been an awful lot of talk about that today and again, if you're going to remove the director of the fbi, wouldn't it be wise to take that step but have thought it through enough to have a replacement ready? >> tucker: i don't know. i guess he be criticized for preemptive replacement of the fbi director prayed i don't know paid i'm not a political strategist. i just think that we should all engage in more temperate rhetoric and i hope you'll join me in that. thank you for coming on tonight.

>> it's been a pleasure tucker. thanks for having me. >> tucker: for more on the profoundly intemperate response, the insane response by the press to what happened yesterday, were joined by a reporter who writes for the hill. even if you were like comey's brother-in-law and love the guy, i don't think it's a similar things we watched on television over the last 24 hours prayed as a full meltdown. >> the worst we've ever stayed in terms of our politicians, in terms of hypocrisy, the worst we've seen from media in terms of hyperbole. hypocrisy is easy. you could point to any democrat, they went the full john kerry where they were for jim, being fired before they were against it. so that's horrible and that's in plain sight when you see that but from a media perspective again, it's the media that cries wolf. they cried every day since june 2015 went trump down the escalator and every day it's a crisis on this case, a constitutional crisis trade but i hear someone i don't see anybody doing in terms of reporting what the american people think this firing. harvard university and harris provided a pole exclusively to

the hill, my publication in march and april talking about favorability of jim call me. what you think of jim comey in terms of favorability, on favorability? 17% said in march and 18% in april, when u.s. democrats that same question, it becomes 12%. let's add it all up pretty of deputy attorney general just appointed two weeks ago, 94-6 votes recommending that comey be gone. you've politicians on both side of the isle recommending that comey be gone. you have most importantly because we've heard media members and were not going to talk to each other anymore saying that jim comey is not doing a good job and yet as you say we are at devcon one in terms of hysterical reaction, people sitting at home or probably sing a kind of agree with this happening. >> tucker: or am totally confused. why are the people on my tv set hyperventilating. one of the problems here is when you have a perch on television, your job is to have some perspective to see this in a big

picture and not jump to conclusions that may be wrong. to be sort of an adult. i don't see any adults out there across the landscape of cable television except maybe the ones i work with. >> i used to think that anderson cooper was an adult and you could go google me right now, and you will see almost every comment i've ever written about him has been a positive review of something that he's done. yesterday, he reads a letter that trump wrote to comey and calls trump a fifth-grader. he then proceeds to act like a fifth-grader where you can see on your screen, kellyanne conway rolling his eyes repeatedly at her answers. let's put it this way because he's an anchor. he's not a host, he's not a shock jock. he is an anchor, he's the face of cnn. let's say bret baier had interviewed a senior female in administration official and valerie garrity a year ago and continually rolled his eyes in a condescending disdainful

fashion. what he think the reaction would be? >> tucker: i don't think about it. >> it be the apocalypse. that's the only movie i can he see here. that was most disappointing to me because i thought anderson cooper was about that kind of behavior and instead of criticism from the media, you have cbs market watch saying that that was the eye roll heard round the world. you can't hear an eye roll, you see it and you shouldn't be applauding it, you should be saying as you say, let's raise the discourse a little bit and stop the eye rolls. >> tucker: this is what happens when you look back work in a newsroom where every single person has the exactly the same clinical views and there's no air in the room and you think that your stupid opinions represent the country. they're destroying themselves. >> one more point if we have a second. everybody talks about the timing of the firing as well. but nobody ever offers when a good time would have been to fire jim commie. hillary would've done it day one but if donald trump does, that's reputation for not offering an indictment to loretta lynch when the email scandal happen. if he doesn't in march, that's

when comey announced that there was an investigation. can't do it then. someone's a good time? >> tucker: i'm going to ask that in a minute when we talked a member of congress. things were joining us tonight. we've got an alert for you tonight, the senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed former national security advisor general michael flynn for any documents related to the panels investigation into potential election meddling by russia. two heads the committee, or a chairman richard burr and democratic vice chairman or corner of virginia's of the documents were first requested back in april but flume's attorney to cooperate voluntarily and that's why they subpoenaed him. we'll keep you updated on the story as it develops. every week, air traffic in this country reaches a new and appallingly low. we've got two more videos that prove that point. they're pretty unbelievable. also, the media aren't the only ones debasing themselves last night. politicians at their best of course. so the best examples, also the

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>> tucker: if you follow politics at all, you probably don't think of california congressman maxine waters of the moral leader of any kind. the countless unpleasant exchanges of the people for fellow democrats used the same kind of embarrassed of her but no longer. according to the "los angeles times" ," waters hs become onto maxine, a folk hero for her love and sassy ways. here's some actual tape of onto maxine from just the other day describing attorney general jeff sessions. judge for yourself. >> i think that jeff sessions is

a racist, and i think that he absolutely believes that it's his job to keep minorities in their place. he comes from time and a place in history where this was the order of the day. >> tucker: maxine waters is calling someone else or race is pretty we have long memories of the show, long enough to recall the l.a. riots of 1992. your member those? 58 people died, many more were gravely injured including a man called reginald denny was a truck driver who happened to be at the wrong intersection at the wrong time, and more than anything the wrong color. because of his race, he was pulled from his truck and smashed with a head with a cinder block until he sustained damage. it was a hate crime if there ever was one. it all happen on videotape. a helicopter caught it. it happened in maxine waters' city. but she did not denounce the attack. on the contrary, she all but endorsed the attack. the leader of the mob that nearly murdered reginald denny was called damien williams.

maxine visited his mother to offer her support. he was sent to prison on a single felony charge of mayhem, but his accomplice's got off, she joined in the celebration. he was released a few years later and went on to murder somebody else in 2000. he still in prison today. waters did not learn nothing from the experience. she went on to describe the l.a. race riots as quote or a blood land in ways understandable including apparent in the part about smashing people's brains and for being the wrong color. that the democratic party's new expert on race relations. we invited congressman waters onto the show, with bennett many times, she never agreed to come on. so instead we have some with a little more bravery and we found it. she's an attorney from here in d.c. and she joins us tonight. thank you for being bold enough to come on. >> it's not that scary. >> tucker: i don't think it is at all. i'm not saying that maxine waters should be in prison. i am saying that given that christian dilemma history, she shouldn't be in congress, she shouldn't be defended by her colleagues and she certainly shouldn't be weighing in on race

relations. that's where you're outside the pale, endorsing the violence, crossing the line and she crossed it. people i don't know we have our current president of that was the line. because he's endorsed violence, his promoted violence, he's propagated violence. >> tucker: if you can name an incident where the current president had the horrible shooter down in south carolina, if he had visited that guys family to offer his condolences, that would be -- that is not acceptable. he's done nothing like that. >> perhaps stood in front of thousands of people and said there was a day when that person would've been taken somewhere and roughed up. how many different -- i was about to call them protest, but they weren't. there were rallies. how many different rallies where there were people were put out for doing what it is their right to do, which is protesting and we have from that candidate trump now president trump and insistence upon at the fact that

people in the crowd were right to jeer to want them thrown out. i'm saying that that's not the line. >> tucker: 's with okay now is what you're saying to mexico what i'm saying is it's not okay. but you said of a person was willing to support or encourage violence is what you said, they don't deserve. >> tucker: i'm saying there are a lot of things that we say that's bigoted, that's racist, whatever. we can debate with those are, but if you have a person who's nearly murdered civil because the color of his skin, any color, you can't congratulate that person in effect and she did. and so i'm just saying she's gotten away with that for 25 years. that's a very different thing from what you're describing at the trump rallies. not my job to defend trump's statements at those rallies. but it's not even in the same category as what maxine waters said. my only point is how can she be a folk hero on the left if she did something like that? >> i guess what i was saying is

i don't understand how president trump can be president of the united states for them many sundry things that he's done but our voters are the ones who decide who should and shouldn't be in office. so when you're saying how can someone be in office, the answer to that always is that unless -- >> tucker: i'm not saying that. i'm not arguing it. >> tucker: i don't think she ought to be in office but what i really don't think she ought to have the adulation or even the cover of her colleagues. fellow democrats. i find it inexplicable that you would be held up at some sort of wisdom on racial matters, much less be allowed to call someone else racist. >> i don't even know that she is held up as a fountain of wisdom on racism and that that is why people especially young people, millennials call her congressman waters. what i'm saying is that the people on the left have reasons to believe that she is a

listener to the issues of the day, and i think that that's correct and i also think that she has a right to say what she thinks. and the new clip she said, s thl have opinions. >> tucker: i'm not protesting anyone's right to say what he or she thinks or for someone to be elected paid i'm not a liberal so therefore i believe in free speech and democracy. >> clever. >> tucker: images ask a really simple question. were in a moment of maximum political tension where people are really starting to hate each other. removing forward a real separation in this country. >> we think removing from what? when did we come together? >> tucker: things are bad right now. >> in the 90s. >> tucker: you're saying he killed a lot of people, therefore not going to condemn this. it's only because some thing else was that doesn't mean that we don't have the right to

describe what we're watching as bad. >> you can describe it as bad, but i'm actually listening to what you're saying and what you said is that we are moving towards something i think if you look at the continuum of our history that that's just not true. >> tucker: if we could and the history lesson really quick. we could debate this and i think it's a valid question. my only point is, things are getting super intense and it's bad, bad for the country as a people are going to get hurt. >> i don't even know that that's true. i think what things are getting is localized. i think people who were once marginalized and oppressed now have a voice and they're using it and the manner in which they use it whether on the right around the left is a way that offends some. >> tucker: the new motif on the left is not a discussion, you're not adding to this or anything to detracted. >> i don't think anything is new. i think someone a racist when they are one may be new and that there was a time when people who

were treated disproportionately negatively because of their color. >> tucker: is to be to just run around and say to cast blood libel on people without evidence. that's all i'm saying. >> it's not blood libel and it's not lacking in evidence but if you look at the comments she made about attorney general sessions, they weren't based on zero evidence. i think that racism if you look at it by definition, is determined not by what your private thoughts are but what your public actions are. when you look at someone as attorney general sessions, voter i.d. law, immigration. >> tucker: the things you're saying are so false and i guess i'm just caught up in this detail thing. >> fax. >> tucker: the ida controversy. the minute he gets in office. >> it has nothing to do with race. there's no way to backup what you just said.

>> and then finally found not just discriminatory but discriminatory intent. i support them. >> tucker: they did and they can't support it with the numbers. >> will find out in the supreme court. >> tucker: thank you for joining us. >> i was glad to be here. >> tucker: duke university still appreciate his school, right? not so fast. a professional ran off campus because he didn't want to spend two days feeling guilty. plus shocking news of another flight gone horribly wrong. which airline is at this time? the latest madness, the days craziest story? we have a panel to decide. stay you won't see these folks at the post office. they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale.

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>> tucker: there's been a dilution of stories related to illegal immigration the past few days. in california right on the mexican border, a boy of six was badly hurt in a hit-and-run by a drunk driver. that driver authorities say is constantino banta acosta who's been deported from the u.s. at least 15 times.

most recently this past january. in l.a., the school district there has declared itself a sanctuary district. that will make the schools better. it will teach kids and their families about their rights when interacting with federal agents, help them avoid deportation. the district will also offer immigrants freely legal support at public expense and create a rapid response network to help students paid by federal officials. in texas, the small town has sued over that state law abolishing century cities saying it has offered refuge to mexican arrivals since before texas was even a state. if it isn't clear yet, the country is being overwhelmed and not only is your government powerless to stop it but in many cases, they are cheerleading it. in immigration policy analyst at the institute here in washington and he joins us. so tonight, alex, the idea that a town or city would be paying using tech scholars of citizens

to facilitate an illegal act like illegal immigration really makes me think that we are moving toward something unprecedented and horrible. i can't imagine how you can support some like this. >> i don't support a local community or a town using taxpayer dollars to disband an illegal immigrant or anything like that. but i do think it's appropriate as some local towns and communities having rules about to the degree which they will cooperate with customs enforcement. that's really the one that i think is gone. >> tucker: we're way past that. i'll used to think that the argument from the left was you can deport people who committed crimes, violent crime, property crime but leave the rest here. now the new position on the left as articulated in a piece you're quoted in an "l.a. times," two different big immigration groups are arguing the national day laborer organizing network and the coalition for immigrant rights of l.a., both are arguing that the u.s. government has the right to deport nobody here illegally, nobody no matter what

you've done, you must be allowed to stay. that just seems insane. >> it is insane and i think it's wrong and i'm quoting that piece pushing against that perspective. i'm saying that piece as have elsewhere that a violent and property criminals, people were convicted of these ascents absolute should be deported. they should serve their sentences in the united states, they should be shipped back to their home country and almost 100% of the federal and state and local immigration enforcement operations should be devoted to those people entirely. they shouldn't be wasted on people who are not violent or property offenders. we should go after these folks and those groups, i work with those groups in the past. i know some people of those groups and i'm told them i disagree several times. i'm very disappointed to see that they've gone in that direction. >> tucker: you can see where this is going, the illumination of any distinction between citizen and noncitizen, the recognition of borders out the window and the next line of argument, you're going to hear it within a year, i bet money on it, is why shouldn't illegal immigrants be allowed to vote? their part is spitting in the

economy, they have the right to government. because i don't doubt i'm going to hear it, but it's not going to go anywhere. hearing this from just a handful of people here right now. what's interesting is prior to the 1920s, virtual all foreign people in the united states even if they weren't citizens could vote here in the united states. so in a weird way. >> tucker: you support going back to that? >> i don't support going back to that. >> tucker: we have a lot of customs in the 1920s and 30s that shouldn't come back. >> these groups are going back to a weird kind of old way of interpreting these types of laws in an attempt to be modern liberals looking back to a more conservative way of doing things. >> tucker: is just bizarre. things were coming on tonight. president obama is worried about carbon so much that he traveled to reach a european climate conference. wait till you see the size of his motorcade. and then another baffling video of air travel gone completely off the rails. which of these two stories is weirder? will decide that up next.

>> tucker: at there is so much weird news out there as we've proved it night after night after night. we only get an hour to cover it all in the question always arises what is the weirdest? with the strangest new story of the day. we inquired to the next crated an entire new segment top that, joined by julian to her who dramatically improve the security council under a few presidents and a few reasons for reading the "washington examiner" where she is a columnist. you first. >> i was only at the national security council ones that one day. >> tucker: i considered a massive upgrade. >> take it if you have it.

>> so just when you think the airlines cannot get any worse, when there cannot possibly be anything in the universe worse than the airlines, i am here to remind you that actually people are worse than the airline. people are the worst. >> tucker: they are. >> the worst. it doesn't even matter what you do to them, they're just terrible. so what happened this week, you've been hearing a lot of chaos all around the country, riots, the spirit airlines canceled flights but the other day on southwest airlines, here's a video of the horror in the carnage it's two men getting into a fist fight as the plane lands and the plane is flying into burbank airport in california. they just are going at it. apparently for no reason. they were in a heated exchange than one guy just punches the other guy and flip them over into the seat in front of him. it was crazy. they had to get the stewardess

is trying to intervene, but they weren't strong enough and then finally, they had guards come on. one guy ended up in jail. the other one ended up in the hospital. you can't -- >> tucker: to think they're flying into burbank and not las vegas is just mind-blowing. >> was coming from dallas and was going to oakland. pretty harmless places to go. >> tucker: that's pretty weird. she's got head start i have to say. are not friendly anymore. >> tucker: they're dangerous. can you get weirder than that? >> after going to try. if you care deeply about the environment and you're heading to a conference about the subject matter, when you want to do that, wouldn't you want to travel in an environmentally friendly way? >> tucker: i would walk needless to say. i would skateboard, whatever. >> former president obama chose not to do that. he actually chose to lead the biggest carmen footprint imaginable and he did so with a private jet, there was a helicopter following him in this

guy, 14 car convoy, 300 police officers, motorcycles to boot and mind you, so shortly following him cruising around on a super yacht which isn't exactly environmentally firmly as well. so sing we have come to realize is he had the same travel agent of linac as leonardo dicaprio. >> tucker: why not just on the tire fire or empty a thousand aerosol cans? >> you joke about leonardo dicaprio. >> tucker: i'm in all. >> that's a pity laugh. laugh at my joke. it was a good one. i've been working on it. i was so excited. >> tucker: the first time in a short history of this segment, you both win. [laughter] will be right my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on

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expert on modern catholic thought. he hasn't made a lot of news until now, that changed three months ago when the entire duke divinity faculty received an email. to urge her colleagues to set away to go full days where theye trained to address institutional racism at duke. he suggested his colleagues at the pass as well. he predicted to be -- he was denounced immediately by the schools dean, who in an orwellian twist equaled racism, sexism, and forms of bigotry even though it didn't. at duke, that was enough. within a short time, he got to the disciplinary charges. banned from faculty meetings. did not have access to research money or travel.

he it worked, he will resign frm duke in the spring.wewewewewewe. have a great night. ♪ >> juan williams, jesse watters, dana perino, "the five" ." so, mr. president -- why did you fire director call me? >> he wasn't doing a good job, very simply. >> did it affect your meeting with the russians today? >> nope. so, comey is no longer his home homey. flipping more scripts than a coked up screenwriter.