let us know what you think. that's all the time we have tonight. sorry we didn't have time for the hannity hotline. see you back here tomorrow nigh tucker coming up next. >> tucker: could the investigation to hillary clinton's email server be reopened? our catherine herridge has some new reporting on that question tonight. good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" read look at that potential political earthquake in just a minute but first, democrats in congress and their circuits in the press spent all day muttering darkly about russian conspiracies and demanding an independent investigation into whether vladimir putin secretly ran donald trump's presidential campaign. they howled and they barked and they did their best impressions of great concern, but always at the center of it, that phrase, independent investigation. there is a reason you kept

hearing those words. independent investigation does not mean a policy prescription. it's a talking point that was formatted by strategists, disseminated by operatives and repeated on television by hacks who have precisely zero interest in and pendants or investigations except when they're politically convenient. partisanship posing as patriotism. let's take it's hearsay for a second anyway just for fun. democrats say they want to make certain that any russian investigation remains above politics. allowing sitting members of congress to appoint an investigator make the process more or less political? dumb question. and by the way, who would investigate it? can you think of a single person who would be acceptable to both sides in washington? in this clinical environment, no way. god himself would get hit with a pacs of a cut at that job independent investigation wouldn't restore public trust in government even more than the commission subtle doubts about the kennedy assassination. it's absurd read but happily we

don't need another investigation. we already have one. it's being run by the fbi which despite jim, his well-deserved firing still exists and still consider the most professional investigative body in the world, even more so now that comey has gone. unless you think the entire fbi has been corrupted by donald trump during his four months in office, if you think that, please seek professional help or switch to msnbc. they are the team for which job there is no other. that would be obvious at the point of exercise were to discover the truth but is not the point of the exercise and it never has been the point. this is a political operation. don't let them tell you otherwise. speaking of investigations thanks to director coming, last year the fbi and the a massive investigation of hillary clinton's email server without charging a single person. fox chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has some information on how that bill or to prosecute went down inside the fbi. catherine? >> thank you, tucker. a contact called me to do and pointed out that last summer, the fbi director james,

testified on capitol hill with the decision not to pursue criminal charges against hillary clinton and her team for mishandling classified information was unanimous among the fbi agents on the case. but the acting fbi director today seem to testify to something slightly different saying morale to be huge hit. >> there were folks within our agency who were frustrated with the outcome of the file content place and some of those folks were very vocal about those concerns. >> his critics say enter mccabe is partisan because his wife took $700,000 for 2015 a state race in virginia from democrats including a long time clinton aide, the virginia governor terry mccullough. told fox news that new leadership at the top of the bureau could mean a new review of the clinton case with a fresh set of eyes. >> tucker: so is it possible that the fbi could reopen this investigation into hillary clinton's emails? >> not too far over the tip of

our skates but definitely there's a new director, he can take a fresh look at the evidence and the decision-making because remember, fbi director comey was criticized for going outside of his investigative lane and putting on his prosecutors had and making that recommendation against criminal charges. >> tucker: interesting. thank you very much. you may remember last summer, former fbi director comey spoke about secretary clinton's mishandling of classified information. >> although we did not find clear evidence that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive highly classified information. any reasonable person in secretary clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that classified system is no place for that conversation. >> tucker: all this of course was quickly forgotten by most

people want the election ended but last year, there was a tremendous amount of enthusiasm among some for taking action. your member this. [chanting] does hillary clinton still face potential legal jeopardy from the department of justice? the president of judicial watch, legal watchdog organization and he joins us tonight. tom, simple question, do you think it is possible that this case could be reopened under new fbi director? >> i think it needs to be reevaluated not only under a new fbi director but under the new leadership of the justice department. they kislyak misdirected the investigation by suggesting that they needed to prove intent when as he pointed out common sense tells you that they mishandled it and they should have known what they were doing was wrong, which is enough for prosecution, the gross negligence under the law, and secondly, the justice department according to mr., himself, he thought they were

later compromised so much so that he needed a new attorney general in announcing whether or not she should be prosecuted or not. and so now the justice department is in the position to take a look see at this, but you have to remember there are other investigations, the investigations of classified material has been shut down, but rumor that, there's a pending request from congress to investigate whether mr. clinton was truthful to congress and then reportedly there was still this investigation going on related to her foundation and the pay for play allegation, so not only should they reinvigorate those investigations that are still out there, but they really need to reevaluate what's going on, the handling of classified material and really her taking records illicitly, destroying them, ulcers of crimes related to that. you can't trust that last investigation to have got to the bottom of it. >> tucker: here's the key reason why as far as i'm

concerned. hillary clinton apparently was never questioned under oath by the fbi, and i never understood that. james, he of course led the prosecution of martha stewart, who ended up going to jail for lying to a federal agent. someone who had been through that doesn't put the person he's questioning under oath? what would be the rationale for that? >> i guess the rationale is you're not allowed to lie to federal investigators whether you're under ortho not but putting them under oath put them on notice because as of the serious investigation and by taking this lackadaisical approach where your granted immunity to all of her associates, i think they're still an open question as to whether she was granted some form of immunity in order to be questions. and of course, it got the whole process affected by that terrible meeting between bill clinton and the attorney general lynch less than a week before the interview of mrs. clinton and less than a week, about a week before comey said there's going to be no prosecution or he would recommend a prosecution.

this is why we need some honest folks separate and independent, if you need independent counsel, so be it, to take another look see over all of this to the american people can be reassured that at least someone separate and apart from obama partisans and a politicized fbi director has honestly and thoroughly reviewed the evidence and has decided whether or not they need to proceed either with a further investigation or they can rely on the prior decisions and just keep it shut down. >> tucker: would you be worried tonight if you are secretary quentin? >> i still think she faces legal jeopardy. the systems working, she still faces legal jeopardy. the justice department under president obama protected her, the fbi director repeatedly misstated the lawn suggesting they needed intent. they have plenty of intense. to me tell you how bad the fbi investigation was. they were using freedom of information documents uncovered by judicial watch to question

witnesses. witnesses didn't start getting question until we started talking about questioning these witnesses. it was something they didn't want to do, justice department never wanted to have a serious investigation, so we just need some honest prosecutors and investigators and i believe the fbi rank and file would be happy to do a serious investigation and would be happy even if there's no prosecution as long as there's a fair analysis in the end. >> tucker: right, because the appearance that powerful people skate discredits the entire system. thanks for coming on. >> you're welcome. thank you tucker. >> tucker: trump made life more difficult for his press office yesterday. yesterday the white house insisted that he was fired for his behavior last year at the recommendation of attorney general jeff sessions and the deputy rod rosenstein. but trump gave a different account today in an interview to nbc news. here's part of it. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. knowing there was no good time to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i

said you know, this russia thing with trump in russia is a made-up story, and sickness use by the democrats for having lost an election that they should've won and the reason they should've won it is the electoral college is almost impossible for republican to win. it's very hard. because you start off at such a disadvantage. so everybody was thinking they should've won the election. this was an excuse for having lost an election. >> are you angry with mr. coming because of his russia investigation? >> i just want somebody that's competent. i'm a big fan of the fbi. i love the fbi. >> are you a fan of him taking the investigation? >> the hillary content investigation? stick about the rush investigation and the links between. >> listen to me. as far as i'm concerned, i want that thing to be absolutely done properly. >> tucker: interview is making off a lot of news tonight and it will tomorrow as well but doesn't change anything about the underlying facts of this

case such as they are? a democratic strategist and a former consultant for the department of homeland security and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: among many other things, this is a reminder that there is an investigation in progress into the question of russian interference in the last election and it's being conducted by the most widely respected investigative organization in the world, the fbi. so given that, why in the world would you want a separate political investigation of this as democrats are calling for? >> the president said that in the same interview that you were showing so that he actually had dinner with comey and in that, he asked if he wants to say, was talking almost look at job interview and then he asked my being investigated? he said think about that. this investigation is about the trump campaign and where they colluding with russia in this last election? whether you agree with the

investigation or not, investigation is happening. the president of the united states who comey worked for during what the president look like a job interview asked my being investigated? that the highly improper. so there's a sense that an independent body needs to look at this because the president is not the closing this. his not coming forward. >> tucker: before you get into the closing attacks, the rest of the talking points. let's stick to the core here. this is a story that will still matter a month from now. this is investigation into the russia connection, i think the whole thing is ludicrous, but doesn't change the fact that it exists. and it's obvious to me democrats would like to politicize it even further by creating a parallel investigation run by someone chosen by elected members of congress and my question to you remains, why is the fbi investigation inadequate? is the fbi corrupted? is that what you're saying? >> the president just fired the

fbi director and a signal that the third firing his hat of people that were investigating him. so it becomes points that you go the first person was fired, then you had a justice department official, the acting attorney general fired, and now you have the head of fbi fired. there's a pattern here. >> tucker: investigated president trump? >> sally yates was the acting head of the justice department. the fbi director reports to sally yates. that's the governing structure. you can google that. >> tucker: this conspiracy is getting too complex for me to keep up with. though i do this every night. are you saying that trump fired sally yates in order to squelch the rush investigation? i thought he fired sally yates because she contradicted his executive order of immigration? >> she came specifically to talk about general flynn. she came to the white house and said we have to worry about

general flynn, his contact with russia is improper, he may be blackmailed, you've made him a national security issue. soon after that, she was fired. >> tucker: is a different matter. you're saying she was actually -- the one thing that they didn't know was that she was actually fired at vladimir putin's orders? i missing. >> i think you should look at this. >> tucker: i do. i have been every night. stated as a sunday to look at very calmly. this white house just this recent firing has multiple stories. so just because they say they fired her for not going on the travel ban and supporting the travel ban doesn't mean that's the reason why she's fired. every single day -- >> tucker: okay. at the bottom line is, are you saying that the fbi i'm in the tens of people who work there is corrupted as an institution by donald trump who's been in

office for four months and in that time, he somehow corrupted the body of the fbi? the people who work there? if you're not saying that, then why would you take the investigation from them and handed to somebody appointed by politicians? this is a make sense. >> there's a multiple ways of doing this. he could have an independent prosecutor, that's appointed by the justice department. that can be brought up. you can have independent prosecutor or a body that is appointed by the intelligence committee or in the senate. there's multiple ways of doing this. >> tucker: who would that be? >> the fact of the matter is, there is an issue here that needs to be investigated. the president seems like by his actions doing everything he can to intimidate the people, the very people that are investigating him. and so if we believe in all the law and order presidency, then he should be accounted to the law as well as anybody else.

the confidence in government. >> tucker: part of the reason the average person is losing confidence is because the left has spun this ludicrous and incredibly complex conspiracy theory. you're saying that the fbi is corrupt. >> you can go down the list of republican leaders in the house and the senate. you keep saying left. >> tucker: i care about facts. >> if you care about facts, that he one independent as to the lack investigation. the president to fire people that are doing anything. you get to the bottom of it. >> tucker: this is totally fake, is totally disingenuous, it's good for the country to get an independent investigation. that's not true. you can insult me if you want. >> not trying to insult you. i'm just trying to point out something to you. >> tucker: thanks, i appreciate it. the outrage from the supposedly objective press has become so obvious it's taken physical for

form. doctor charles krauthammer about it anderson cooper's eye roll to kellyanne conway and other failures of composure in the press lately. also it's been more than a month since united airlines violently dropped a passenger off the plane but has the airlines learned anything? will share another case of callousness on american airline

>> this looks political from the outside. let me tell you what looks like a practitioner. the president acted and cowardly fashion. he's a coward. >> is going on here is an effort to cover up the facts.

because this is something that is completely outside how american law is supposed to wor work. >> what kind of country is this? >> tucker: there was a run on xanax supplies on cvs pharmacy throughout washington over the last two days of the press absolutely melted down. the media committed to finding an illegal coup to talk over the their bedspread anderson cooper cannot resist rolling his eyes literally at kellyanne conway prompting her to denounce him as a sexist. >> i see sexism a lot of times when i show up for interviews like that. could you imagine rolling your eyes having a male anchor on the network role eyes at hillary clinton, at a female representative, spokeswoman for president obama or president bill clinton? i think not. >> tucker: charles krauthammer is a syndicated columnist and author and he joins us tonight. they thought were coming on. i don't think it's necessarily

success. you can roll your eyes at men and women in the can both handle it. but it does seem like in the last couple of days, things have taken a turn and the the posture of the press talks about trump. >> the press we know has always been liberal, been anti-conservative. that is like the sun rising in the east. trump is a special case. people seem to have a particular animus. i said that is somebody who isn't a fan of trump, wasn't a supporter, but he's president. and he deserves some respect. if you're an american, you what your country to succeed and he is the president, constitutionally elected, and you want him to succeed. so there is a particular edge to the press and it's as if comey episode which is troubling in some ways but for god six, son of constitutional crisis. as sort of scent people over the edge. to the point where they think they really are no journalistic limits or journalistic restraints, elementary ones like

don't roll your eyes in the middle of an interview, that ought to be observed. >> tucker: what is it about? obviously, your psychiatrist but i don't want you to invoke your medical training into the spirit with the common sense answer to the reaction to trump? is hardly the most conservative republican with ever elected. it's not ideological. there's something else about him that seems to drive the press insane. >> if you want to give this the best loss, there's a question of fitness. i think people have a sense, some on the right as well and that he never reached the threshold of being fit for the presidency. in terms of his knowledge, in terms of his temperament, in terms of his manner, the way he treated some of the other candidates, the way that he insulted people, i think there's a lot about this persona that simply repels people. and it spills over into how they treat him journalistically. but j think ought not be the

case. >> tucker: what happens after this? when the trump presidency ends at some point and we move into a new era and we look around and you really can't trust that any news organization, any of these news organizations are telling you the unfiltered truth, what happens then connect the different country. >> i've never thought that the press was telling me the unfiltered truth. and i think things were worse 30 or 40 years ago because the liberal press had a monopoly, and in 1980, a couple of major newspapers, the two newsmagazines, and yet ronald reagan won a landslide. it shows you that even though this is part of the landscape, the press will always be overwhelmingly liberal. you've got to accept it, stop whining about it because is not going to change. i don't think it's a conspiracy. it's a selection process where the smart conservative kids start a business, smart liberal kids going to journalism and social work and other things. i don't think it's a big

conspiracy but that's the way it looks. today, he got fox, you've got one page of "the wall street journal" ," you got talk radio, the monopoly has been broken, and i think for some liberals in the media, that's part of the reason why they go so much overboard. they can't stand the fact that they can't get away with murder because it'll be questioned in those outposts, their only outposts, a tiny minority of the media but an internet world with cable and with other outlets, they can't have the field to themselves, and that drives him crazy. >> tucker: it really does. they hit that more than anythin anything. charles krauthammer, thank you. >> good to be here. >> tucker: >> tucker: of white e checking criminal backgrounds of immigrants to make sure that dangerous criminals stay out of this country. up next, we'll talk to one activist who says that's demonizing these migrants

>> tucker: they're bringing crime, they're bringing folks, they're physically unclean, their threat to men and children. illegal immigration is causing tremendous problems in mexico. that's tonight's reality check, citizens in the southern mexican city are complaining that illegal aliens from central america are wrecking their town in addition to familiar problems like gangs and violent crime, the people of capital are reporting instances of sexual aggression and migrants defecating in public. they say the danger is so great

for them they're afraid to leave their homes. the problem is bigger now than it has been because more migrants are choosing to end their journey in mexico rather than travel all the way to the u.s. the trumpet ministrations he was more likely to catch and deport them. now that illegal aliens are staying in their country, mexicans are discovering there is a downside to open borders, but the mexicans may be lacking is the sensitivity training most of us get in school and from the media and the democratic party. once they learned that their complaints are not legitimate but instead manifestations of systemic racism and white privilege, though stop whining and learn to appreciate people sneaking into their countries and using the streets as a latrine. good luck. for the past seven years, thousands of immigrants have enjoyed a special temporary protective status due to a earthquake in the country from 2010. the trump administration is reviewing whether to and the status that allows any haitian in this country to avoid returning home. they administration is also conducting a review of any

crimes committed by haitian immigrants have benefited from the special status. an immigration policy coordinator at the institution for justice and democracy in haiti. he says the president's review demonizes haitian it and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much for having you. >> i think most haitian immigrants are great. met a lot of them, work hard, seem to do well. some of them are not great. why is it demonizing patients to find out who's who? >> basically it's a red herring and the reason is that the temporary protective status statute itself disqualifies criminals. you have to put in your fingerprints for the fbi to check, under the law, people who are criminals are disqualified. so it's really a complete red herring beyond it because it already is enacting that terminals aren't in the population. >> tucker: what about people that have been convicted of crimes are charged with crimes

while in the united states? what's wrong with assessing in other words can mexico they do assess it. >> tucker: the trump administration as we'd like to assess it more proud and don't know why that's a bad thing. >> they're not really trying to do that because every 18 months, they judge, are the situations sufficiently dire in the country? and he/she has had series of sledgehammer blows. the earthquake in 2010, the worst and 200 years, 250,000 people killed, most of port-au-prince destroyed. so today, 50,000 people working in poverty. they have seven or eight months ago hurricane matthew which destroyed much of the southern peninsula, about a quarter of the country. it destroyed crops, livestock, affected 2 million people and left haiti. >> tucker: on again, i i feel sorry for haiti.

it's in tough shape for 200 years but that's not answering my question, which is this is not haiti, see united states and don't american citizens have the right to assess whether the presence of people from any country including haiti is good for us? why is that a bad in? >> every 18 months, people have to summit their fingerprints. there's a check by the fbi every 18 months and criminals are not allowed to get tps. secondly, extending tps is in the national security interest of the united states. sending 50,000 people back to haiti whose remittances help perhaps as many as 500,000 people in haiti when you've got a haitian government that is reeling from a cholera epidemic that is completely unchecked, the u.n. for six years wouldn't take responsibility, 200 million of the $400 million. >> tucker: i understand why it's in hades interest to have american dollars flow to it. we've sent billions from the

treasury over there as well as you know, but why is an international security interest to keep tens of thousands of haitians here? i don't understand that at all. >> because to destabilize haiti and that's why you've got republicans joining democrats just today, representative donovan, chair of the emergency preparedness subcommittee of homeland security, a republican came out for this saying it would hurt the u.s. economy and destabilize haiti, destabilizing haiti is no good because you've got a history of people when they're desperate because the conditions having taken to the sea's, coast guard interdiction has to occur. so it makes absolutely no sense. >> tucker: just get some republican amean anything. it's not a data point, sought evidence of the position is tru true. >> they're not judging this on the merits. >> tucker: i'm just trying to figure out your reasoning here. you're saying that if we don't allow more haitians to come and the ones who are here already to

stay in. it'll be bad for haiti. why is international security? just want you to explain in our way our viewers can understand because i'm legit millie confused. because these people have been here seven to 15 years because they were here before the earthquake of 2010. they've been hard-working people, sending money back, and remittances are the chief form of foreign aid, 1.3 billion from the u.s. alone in 2015. it's estimated that 250 to 500,000 people depend on those remittances. were not saying that's been extended. >> tucker: why is that good for america? nobody ever factors that in. i know it's great for haiti and i like katie and i like haitians. is it fair to say what's in it for us which has a massive unemployment and all these problems cannot why is it good for us? >> asked the disney company in orlando which is coming out for

tps because they say about 500 of their workers would be affected. it would decimate families here and in haiti and the destabilization should be dismissed. you've got a haitian government that's new that has asked for this to be extended because as of right now, things are too precarious because of the cholera epidemic that's affecting a million people, hurricane matthew, the point is that to some 50,000 people back on point of not being able to replace it destabilizes. >> tucker: disney might have to pay more to its workers here in the united states and we wouldn't want that. things a lot for coming on. i'm sorry, we're out of time. president trump has announced a new commission to investigate possible voter fraud in the 2016 election which he says it cost him the popular vote. next we'll talk to a member of the new commission, stay diabetes can be a daily struggle, even if you're trying your best. along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo® may help you control your blood sugar.

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today ordered the creation of a new commission to investigate the possibility of voter fraud in the last election. he lost the popular vote of course to hillary clinton in november and he has said repeatedly since then he would've won the popular vote if it weren't for widespread but undetected fraud. the secretary of state for the state of kansas, appointed the new commission and he joins us tonight. thanks for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> tucker: how are you going to determine the level of voter fraud? it's a controversial subject, others have tried, how are you going to get to the truth? >> i just want to say first of all is not just the 2016 election. it's at voter fraud more broadly and is more forms of it and also things like allegations of voter suppression. were looking at all of the voting irregularities that affect the integrity of our election. to answer your question, there lots of things we can look at. you can look at individual cases that states have of people convicted or cases where there is credible evidence of voter fraud. you can look at databases and this is the first of its kind nationwide effort to actually look at all 50 states. i know i'm very familiar with what's going on in kansas in

cases we have presented to federal courts in defending our group of citizenship system but i don't know what's going on in the other 49 states. it will bring evidence from all 50 states and will also look at some of the federal government's facts and data that they can provide as well. >> tucker: how are you going to find if it doesn't exist? we know for a fact every day in the media it's like the yeti is a figment of your imagination, voter fraud has never occurred in america so how do you hope to prove otherwise? >> we have proven it. we've proven incorporated the only secretary of state who has the authority to investigate voter fraud directly. we just prosecuted our ninth case a few weeks ago in the last year and a half. the heritage foundation has a database of more than 700 convictions for voter fraud. but here's another way you can do it, this is never been done before. the federal government has a database of every known alien who has a green card or a temporary visa. states have in the past asked can we please run our voter rolls against a database and see if any of those aliens are on our voter rolls?

the governments have already said no. now are going to be able to run a database of against one or two states and see how many people are known aliens residing in the united states and also on the voter rolls. it's ever been done before. >> tucker: if the federal government would allow the states to check the integrity of their voter rolls, that suggest to me they wanted voter fraud to occur red with the other explanation? >> there were bureaucratic explanation so this would be too difficult. this is the federal government talking. our computer system isn't set up with the way the state wants to do this data check, but bottom line is it can be done and this is one of the things the commission will do is try to get some hard facts out there. we already have a lot of data but let's get more data and let people draw their own conclusions. spoons are really quickly, why would anybody be against ensuring the integrity of an election? >> that's a great question. you think about it, the integrity and the fairness of our elections is at the very

core, the very foundation of our republic. if we don't have fair elections, how can we as a country have confidence in our system, how can you have loyal opposition, how can i as an elected official be competent but i really want lost the election are won the election? you have to have it. this will hopefully provide facts that will shed light on the subject and give greater confidence to our system and also make some recommendations. here are some vulnerabilities we see, here are some recommendations, the states aside. >> tucker: seems really important. i can't think of many things more important. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: another day, another atrocity in this guy's. atrocity may be a little strong about sumac, rather than say animals? we have a great panel, stay

>> tucker: time to check in and see what's going on on campus. nothing good of course. uc santa cruz in the news learning what cowards everywhere eventually learn, that immediate surrender in the face of aggression invites only further aggression and a deeper humiliation. last week, we cover the takeover of an administrative building at uc santa cruz by the african black student alliance. we interviewed one on the show live. they refused to leave until their various demands were met and didn't take long. the school almost immediately granted all of those demands. they agreed to paint a black affinity house on campus and the african nationalist colors. they agreed to impose mandatory diversity training and all students and gave the group of veto power of that training compared it to the shock of administrators and nobody else, this capitulation did not solve the problem. i didn't go away. now though group is making new

demands. they want the school to buy a new property to quote serve as a low income housing cooperative for disadvantaged students, otherwise segregate housing only open to certain groups. they also want the school to splurge on a new black studies department, another 100 grand dedicated to a specific campus diversity program and they save these demands are not met, they will further reclaim on campus. think the school will be anymore resolute in defending principal and taxpayer money this time quebec of course not. they don't have any principles and sought their money. the news from america's skies is getting weirder by the day. denied access to the bathroom and was told to go in a cup instead. a passenger on a british airway flight was trapped in her isle as the plane waited to take off. she wet herself and sat in that for the next 13 hours. russian arises why can't airlines figure out the concept of treating customers like people?

cohost after the bell on fox business, she wrote a great book lessons from the prairie. hosts the intelligence report also on fox business, also awesome and also joining us tonight. the obvious conclusion is airlines are out of control. melissa francis, you think that's right? >> i think some airlines are out of control. i have to say in fairness i traveled with my 6-year-old recently. he had the same problem on take off in a sort of look to the other way as he ran up the aisle and use the restroom. he wasn't forced to do anything in his seat and even though i asked him like a good mom 600 times before we boarded the plane if he had use the restroom just in cases happen happened, they were civil to us. i think that right now, the airlines are making a fortune. every seat is packed. and they're treating us like cattle and they need some bad p.r. like we're seeing, this thunderdome of bad p.r. recently to kind of realize that they need to treat people more civilly going forward. but they're not all bad like

that, which if everybody has a phone we just see it over and over again going viral but it's not as many incidents as it looks like. >> tucker: so there are a lot of incidents coming out sort of on the heels of one another. do you think there is an effect where people are more motivated to report this stuff whether or not it's true because it so when the news? >> sure, you say whether or not it's true, i do think that this particular case here with a woman on united airlines, by the way united is denying this saying that this did not happen, but the stewardesses flight attendants, did not give her a cup to use them. it was interesting to me is why are we not seeing more outrage on behalf of the other passengers that were on the plane? i know if i were seated next to someone and that actually happened, i definitely be taking to my social media account to say something about it. >> tucker: you be live tweeting it. >> i would at least a voice

protest shall we say for the whole thing. and i would be quite horrified and i think other people on the flight would have been as well so it's interesting to me that we haven't heard more from the passengers on that flight. but i do think it's important as melissa said that people speak up about this because the airlines have become so bottom-line oriented, they have gotten so big, they have combined over and over again and got bigger and bigger than that now were left really stuck in a tough situation because they are doing all these things effectively at our expense. >> advice for anyone getting on a plane, bring my book, it will make you laugh hysterically and you will forget whatever horrible thing is happening. >> tucker: is why they gave your son a pass. they just knew. learn to be kind. it's great to see you. will be right

>> tucker: time for a reality check. boy, do we need one. joining us, james rosen, to answer the question -- has it ever been this tumultuous in washington? there seems to be no precedents. you are a historian and reporter. >> it's good to be with you, tucker. some historical perspective is valuable this year. the term crisis was thrown around as well. people were old enough to remember. there were sitting war veterans in the streets of washington. every generation has probably imagined it is facing or braving truly unprecedented challenges that are truly scarier than ever before. truly that was true in the civil war. those that experienced the horrors of world war ii. the atomic bomb. obliterating cities from the sky like that.

probably since the cuban missile crisis, a nuclear exchange with the soviet union. those were very anxious times. today's times are certainly unprecedented because donald trump is a singular unprecedented president but if there's a reason to feel anxious, it probably has very little to do it donald trump or his actions or the gym comey firing or what have you. it's the automation and the change of pace in this country. >> tucker: i agree. at the core because of anxiety. >> what's very solitary about 2016 is big data had mandated the outcome of the election. big data tells you if you like this, you might also like this. which means you're going to buy this. the morning after election day, there is something political scientists would call an honest to god surprised. that's a healthy thing.

>> tucker: james rosen. we will be back tomorrow at 8:00. at the show that it's a sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. "the five" is next. >> dana: , hello, i am dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." >> i have to do the right thing for the american people. he has the wrong man for that position. >> dana: president trump defending his controversial decision to fire at james comey. in this verse first sitdown interview, over 48 hours after the firing, his outcome remains highly controversial. some white house