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moms and especially to my mom, happy mother's day. the five is ready to go, live from new york. that's next. >> this is a fox news alert. i'm jesse watters, welcome on this busy news day. we'll bring it to you throughout the hour. we'll begin with president trump's headline making sit-down interview. she talked about the decision to fire james comey, whether the democrats will ever cooperate with him. and here's what he said about the canceling the daily white house press briefing. >> when we have those press conferences, we shouldn't have them. because sarah. >> a hundred years we have been doing that. >> there's never been action like this. we are getting higher ratings on those press conferences. >> would you seriously consider
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stopping these press sessions? >> we do it in a different way. we do it in a perfect way. >> in writing? >> ask a hundred questions, 50 questions, 20 questions, if they get one out of 50 just a little bit off, 5%, 10%, next day it's a front page story. press conferences for obama was on c span. these press conferences are the biggest thing on day time television. you see the ratings. they are blowing everything on day time television. what i would love to do is stop them. >> kimberly, he's still bragging about the ratings. >> well, he's right. it's the new "bold and
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beautiful." >> day time television. >> i mean, they are kind of rivetting. >> i would call it inhospitable. >> i remember before he even took office, and was sworn in, they were talking about that. they were going to shake up the way the press briefings were handled. and obviously, there is room for improvement in terms of the roleout, when they need to get ahead of the messaging like we saw with the travel ban and dismissal of comey. perhaps it's not a bad idea to have an electronic briefing, and then for the larger news days they have a spokesman at the podium. >> do you think this is donald trump saying you are being so nasty, i'm going to take away your toys, you can't play with
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them. >> what president trump does, people forget, he likes to introduce options that were never introduced before. because it's like why not, no one has ever said i can't do this. let's see what happens. he likes to toss a stone into the pond and watch it ripple. but the person who doesn't take donald trump's word seriously most is donald trump. words are free. it's like steam coming off an engine. he can talk a squirrel up a nut truck. so his words are free and they flow. if he changes his mind, he changes his mind. he doesn't take this stuff as seriously as other people do because he's from queen's, he's from queen's, he's a salesman from queen's. >> my mom is from queen's. >> i love queen's. >> just saying. >> gillian, is this really going to happen?
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greg says he's just talking or does donald trump himself need to start doing more press conferences? >> i bet this is another tactic, one of his famous negotiating tactics, he throws something extreme on the table, everybody can get worked out into a huff. maybe we'll not do them every day, maybe three days a week, maybe shorter. maybe we are not going to televise all of them. something like that is under consideration. but i think he's throwing this out so when he actually settles on something, it's not so egregious to people, not so over the top. >> by the way, he's done this with everything. create an extreme position and everything else seems moderate. >> exactly. >> maybe we should ask him if he can do the pressers at 9:00.
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above would love that. >> i sure would. you don't know how much i love donald trump. but i want to give a little credit here. he finally realizes that he is so disorganized, that nobody can keep up with him. you put somebody out there like shawn spicer, he's a good sailer. >> you should talk, you of all people. >> wow. >> did you just say that? >> you are going to look sharp tonight. >> well, thank you. nice of you, son. but i think, frankly, it's not a bad idea because they can't keep on the same page. they change course in the day. you are right about his thinking, well, he thinks, but -- no, no. he just keeps going. >> he's a shark. you know what i said yesterday, he's a shark who's unaware of the affects he has to the beach.
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he's constantly moving and everybody on the beach is screaming. what did i do? i fired comey. >> everybody is gone. >> these press conferences aren't on cspan 2 like president obama's. >> afternoons, comedy series and trump and some historical thing on the british tv. >> something else that happened today, spicer was trying to respond to criticism about this. he's going to get rid of the press briefing. he said it's hard to coordinate. we don't always get to the president on every issue before we talk to the press. that was a major cry for help or it was him admitting -- >> he made the point. >> let's see if president trump addressed it. here's a sneak peek. >> you are moving so quickly, your communications department cannot keep up with you. >> yes, that's true. >> so what do we do about that?
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>> we don't have press conferences and we do -- >> you don't mean that. >> we just don't have them. unless i have them every two weeks and i do it myself. i think it's a good idea. first of all, you have a level of hostility that's very unfair. sarah huckabee is a lovely young woman. you know shawn spicer. he is a wonderful human being. >> is he your press secretary today and tomorrow? will he be tomorrow? >> he's doing a good job, but he gets beat up. >> will he be there tomorrow? >> he gets beat up from the beginning. >> what do you think about the assessment of the communications team? >> there's a disconnect. if you want to be successful, you have to be someone that he wants to spend a little bit of time with. you got to insist about being able to get in front and talk to him and have five, six minutes with him before you go out there, otherwise you are driving
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blind. >> are they not getting that alone time they need? >> you hear sean spicer saying, the president is busy. it has to be a close relationship where there is trust there, there's inherent loyalty, somebody he knows that's been with him from the beginning, et cetera. that's very important. >> is the chief of staff, is he supposed to be the one that's controlling these meetings where they can get in front of each other? >> well, yes, that is his job. he's supposed to be the conduit to make sure they are communicating, they get face time, the messaging is on point, everybody is on the same page. you get one person saying another thing, the president is tweeting something else. you got to be connected. >> can i make one point here? the white house wanted to have our own kimberly guilfoyle as press secretary, she decided she didn't want to do it. >> i can't break up here.
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>> too much time away from each other. that was a smart idea. you are right, i don't know a press secretary that's been successful who hasn't had direct access to the president. >> we are ragging on the communications team. that's not the issue. the issue is this is a different kind of president. we all know this because we are talking about this guy every single day. he is doing not one thing a day. he's usually doing four, five things a day. compared to a a will tease instructor, people can't keep up with him, his staff can't keep up with him. >> the president has add, he's calling meetings and doing this and that. >> i wouldn't say a.d.d. he doesn't drink, he never has a hangover. hangovers keep everything in d.c. from doing anything. >> i was a drunk for 30 years, i
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never saw noon. that was right. >> i disagree with you. don't strike me again. >> don't worry. he's too small to hurt you. >> the idea he has more on his plate than other presidents that have come before, to me that doesn't cut the mustard. i don't buy that for a second. the problem, i don't know if it's the chief of staff, someone is not exerting that discipline on this. somebody is not convening the right people at the right times of day with the president and saying this is the message, this is the message of the day, go forth. here's what the president thinks. someone is not doing that. >> the man at the oval. >> that's what has to happen. >> i don't know what that means. >> want to find out? >> what you need to say to trump, are you going to have any surprises for us today? the thing is, they will have their press conference, then he will do something.
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it totally, nobody knows anything about t how do you communicate that. the only person who communicated it is trump. he should be his own press. >> he is the best messenger. >> he came out and said you are very fake news, he put everybody in a locker and jetted off to the big railly. if he did that more and explained his positions, he would be a lot more effective, don't you agree? >> no. if there's any position he does for the american people is a good one. >> couldn't be worse than anything obama did. >> let's fault back to our defense, son. right pack to obama. we get in the corner, we can't defend trump. >> i'm not in the corner, i'm at
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the center of the table. this story has become about process, about the communications can't keep up with the president and the story keeps changing. he cut loose, comey. he didn't have the trust and ability to do the job. that's the point of the story. it's not about russia or white house people. >> comey was the jan brady of the fbi. not making anything better. jan brady showed up in every scene, they had to find a marcia. i think it would be great if it were a woman. >> huckabee said the vast majority of agents have come to them and said how terrible he was. that's exactly a lie. >> really? >> yes. >> which huckabee? >> which huckabee? i can't distinguish between the
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two of them. this guy in the middle. >> i know. i will try to save you a little bit. also, she asked president trump about his controversial firing of james comey including a report that the president asked comey for a loyalty pledge. >> people suggest that the question that the new york times is selling that you asked comey whether or not you had his loyalty was possibly inappropriate. could you see how they think that? >> i don't think it's inappropriate. >> did you ask that question? >> no, i didn't. but it wouldn't be a bad question. loyalty to the country, to the united states is important. number one. number two, i don't know how that got there. i didn't ask that question. >> what about the idea that in a tweet you said that there might be tape recordings? >> i won't talk about that. all i want is for comey to be
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honest. i hope he will be. i'm sure he will be, i hope. >> what do you make of this? the report of the allegation is that the president was requesting or hoping for a loyalty pledge from the director? >> i don't know if i believe the new york times any more. the only people that know what happened is james comey and president trump. the new york times said this happened, and the other day new york times said comey asked for more resources for the russian investigation and he said that was fake news. >> that's your sole source for news. >> not really. >> now there is the recordings that the president mentioned. >> i don't believe there are tapes. i believe he said that to mess with people's heads and it's working, as you can see over here. so he's having people chase squirrels. i don't think there is any tapes. if there were, then that's
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trouble. >> let me get to you respond. the president spoke with sean spicer. take a listen to this exchange. >> did president trump record his conversations with former fbi director james comey? >> i assume you are referring to the tweet. the president has nothing further to add on that. >> why did he say that, why did he tweet that? >> the president has nothing further to add on that. >> two things. one thing about the tweeting donald trump does, that's what we do when we are driving, someone cuts us off, you forget about it and move o the other thing about loyalty, the on the thing about trump, true loyalty is somebody who is honest to you and risking their own friendship to be honest. the hyper-critical is the person who cares. what i was worried about with
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president trump, he would surround himself with yes men and toadies. you attract toadies and yes men. >> you are right. >> i don't see that. >> i think there are people that will talk to him. he may not be listening. >> president obama surrounded himself with yes men. ther.>> his wife would challengm all the time. >> i disagree. there have been entire books written about how there was differences of opinion among president obama's cabinet when they decided everything, especially foreign policy, which is what i care about. >> look what happened to foreign policy with president obama. he was against him when he was the chair. tillerson came out of nowhere.
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mcmaster, not necessarily a pro-trump guy. >> most guys are not pro-trump. >> ben carson, he ran against ben carson. >> have we heard anything from the housing secretary, ben carson? >> what would you like to hear? >> i don't know. i can't understand it. i actually had a section 8 house. >> it wasn't a section 8 house, it was a different kind of house. >> and there's three adults. >> i think you are right. we leave that, the president of the united states. >> even like chris is not there. christy was one of the original. >> don't you wonder if we are not missing like the big picture here? to me the big picture is so the back story is backfiring on everybody.
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to me the biggest problematic is now this administration is a hundred days in and we have a fired acting attorney general, fired national security adviser and fired director of the fbi, all cabinet ranked positions that people tend to hold for years and rarely get fired from. this is what the trump administration needs to finesse. not who said what when and we have tapes, we don't have tapes. >> your point about foreign policy, in this administration there are huge issues going on in the middle east. all we have had is one trip by jared with a bullet-proof vest on. >> the president is going overseas next week. >> that's great. that's wonderful. the president of the united states has to spend a lot of time, australia, remember he hung up? >> that's fake news. >> he also said australia had
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the best healthcare ever. as a salesman, he says things to break the ice. i want to talk about the tweet. people are accusing him of being out of control and all this stuff. but nothing is deceptive when it's out in the open. we need tweets, for example, about recordings. i mean, if you were going to make a threat or you were going to tape something, this is the most transparent president you have ever seen. >> if it's transparent, then say whether there are tapes or not. >> i think he hoped there were tapes. >> when jared went to iraq, he went with secretary tillerson. it was his delegation. >> he had a baby-sitter. >> quite a bit of traveling. >> with one of our people, we got that. [laughter] i wasn't talking about you, jesse. >> i don't know what that means. the really winner is putin because he's undermining our
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system by having us constantly worry about russia when we should be looking at other matters. >> i didn't get the bet in. >> the president touched on a number of other topics like democratic obstruction particularly from the senate minority leader. >> will you be able to work with schumer? >> it's tough. i have known him for a long time. again, he's gone very far left. he doesn't have good control of his party, he's not a good leader. it's going to be tough to work with him. we'll see. hopefully we'll elect in '18 we'll elect some republican senators, we only have a margin of two. we'll elect more republicans and be able to do it without having to go through that situation with schumer. honestly, they want to stop things, they want to clog up the wheels. we can't let that happen. >> okay. jesse, you can imagine the president is frustrated given
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everything that's going on. >> he came into office assuming he would have a good relationship with crying chuck, and the situation deteriorated. it doesn't surprise me that crying chuck is acting like this. he need to raise money, they are defending so many seats in the midterms. they are in deep, deep trouble. ten of the states they have to defend are trump states. right now there is not a lot of reason for the democrats to go along with the president. but you can work with any president, it's this president if you are a democrat. he wants to get things done that everybody likes on both sides of the aisle. infrastructure, trade, jobs. there is a lot of ways people can work together in washington. the left would come to the table. >> you want to say crying chuck one more time? the fact of the matter, the reason the democrats have done that, you know obama got no
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republican votes. >> they were so far left. obamacare, is that a big surprise? >> democrats aren't going to vote for this. >> own the death spiral. >> the death spiral is here, it's landed. it's in the oval office. >> pulled out of every exchange. >> the unintended consequences was in full force on this issue, we saw the way that this has, the firing of jim comey created this ground swell of democratic support. all these people like chuck schumer have jumped ship. he was a great fbi director, he never did anything wrong. i think this is the kind of political unintended consequences. >> the democrats jumped all over him when dethe thing with clinton. but nobody said anything bad about him. >> we have nancy pelosi saying he better watch his job, we are
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not sure he will have that job. >> during the clinton issue. >> correct. >> the clinton issue should be dead now. trump wants to bring it back. >> it would have been jumping up and down, glee and joy if hillary won, she would have gotten rid of comey immediately. >> that's for sure. >> first off, i'm not going to call him crying chuck, i will call him up-chuck. let's bring up the lewinsky scandal. this is an important point. the clinton lewinsky scandal took an administer's eye off the ball which led to islamic terror and 9/11. now you have a media suffering from unhinge-mosis. they are preoccupying the administration. we may get a 9/12 instead of 9-11. you missed my point.
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>> that part was right. >> monica lewinsky. >> you mentioned the blue dress. >> the bigger point is that you have an administration that has to obsess over something like over here, you miss the bigger picture. we should be thinking about the bigger picture, which we missed because clinton wasn't looking at the big picture, he have looking at something else. >> now we are talking about just everything. the full interview is tomorrow evening at 9:00. >> we have seen it all. >> up next, is there a difference between the mainstream media and democratic party? and later, a classic will ferrell moment on a college campus. you have got to see this. stay tuned.
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>> we want you all to stay with us. this show has another half hour. it's usually me at the last minute. i'm in the middle of the show. please don't turn off your tv. president trump's firing of james comey was the biggest story of the week. here are the interesting reactions according to producers. >> there are many parallels to watergate. i have to tell you, all the way back to the kennedy assassination to draw parallels, i was there. >> president trump is dangerous. dangerous because he may be obstructing justice in terms of the investigation that really goes to the heart of our democracy. >> it feels like a scene out of the god father. it's not, it's real. it's alarming. >> i will also tell you that we
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asked clint watts the former fbi director about this, he said you are right, senator, you ought to follow the money. but you also know you should follow the trail of the dead bodies. >> oh, god. >> wow. it is a god father moment. >> the only scandals of dead bodies were fast and furious and benghazi. the media and democrats are colluding than wikileakss. the american people are not going to believe any of the polls, any of their analysis, any predictions, they know they are so in the tank. if this russia thing doesn't catch any big fish, what are they going to have to show for it? >> two to one, the american people trusted me over president trump. >> i saw another poll that said
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it was the opposite. >> or jesse waters, water world. >> thanks for the plug. >> saturday night. >> serious, well informed person. >> oh, greg. >> no, no. that would be so far over -- >> you are losing control, bob. >> i was going to say i think durban goes too far in his criticism on this comey issue. however, he did make one really good point which was, to me, to my liking, he said he's the only person i have seen so far who pointed out the fact that attorney general jeff sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. investigation into the trump administration ties with russia which is all as it should be. he comes back and writes this justification memorandum that becomes part of the basis for comey's firing. how is it he recuses himself from the investigation but has a
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hand in him being let go. i wanted to say that i think that that is probably why president trump has none back on the narrative and said, you know what, i'm the one who made this decision. i made it a long time ago. i was going to go through with it no matter what. i think he was protecting the attorney general. >> you have had your chance, son. please, learn manners, will you? kimberly, what do you think about this. sessions didn't recuse himself. why did he get in the middle of this? >> why did he? i don't think he d i did. it was the deputy ag that issued the memorandum. i don't feel it was an improper recusal and he stayed within the bound of it. i don't see ground for alarm. >> did you ever recuse yourself of any court cases? >> no, i didn't have to.
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>> all the times you were in court. now, what do you think, seriously, this story about the memorandum being the decision point for the president, the fact of the matter is the president invited both of them to the white house and said write me a narrative so i can fire this guy. it didn't come out that way. they said it was something he got and then made the decision. >> first, i have two points to make. they both have to do with the segment, not that question. we were talking originally about the collusion between democrats and media and this is somehow a revelation, it isn't. they are the beavis and butthead of them. it's astonishing that republicans dominate when they are outnumbered. the media should love trump.
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we are talking about recusal. you have learned more about politics in a hundred days from trump than 16 years of bush and obama and the ratings for you at cnn and msnbc are buying your second homes. >> that's nice to hear. we are going to go on now, next on the five, a big new antidrug announcement from attorney general jeff sessions today. critics are already saying it will backfire, which it will. we'll have a debate up ahead. the following ad is being condensed for your viewing convenience. i finally switched to geico. oh yeah? ended up saving a ton of money on car insurance. i hear they have a really great mobile app. the interface is remarkably intuitive. that's so important.
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drugs. attorney general jeff sessions announced the department of justice will pursue the stiffest possible penalties for drug offenders. that overturns the 2013 directive ordering federal prosecutors with certain crimes. sessions said the new policy was aimed at reducing crime. >> we are seeing an increase in violent crime in our cities, in baltimore, chicago, memphis and milwaukee, st. louis and many on others. the murder rate has surged 10%, the largest increase since 1968. we know that drugs and crime go hand in hand. they just do, the facts prove that so. >> but civil liberties advocates slammed it as counter productive, calling it dumb on crime. my word. they are linking this to drug
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trafficking. but we know when you crack down on drugs, that only -- that doesn't reduce demand, it creates more crime. >> it's a tough situation. what it boils down to is that the holder policy was called smart on crime because it's a time he implemented it, the department was spending more than a third of its budget incarcerating people rather than preventing crimes, investigating crimes, which is what they are supposed to do. that sound well and good. i see the flip side. there is a major downside, this truth that when you make it easier for people to get away with selling drugs, drug dealers are going to proliferate on the streets. there is a very heavy tension here. that's kind of what the attorney general sessions comes down hard on the side of prosecuting drug dealers. i don't know what the answer is. >> i know what the answer is, bob. prohibition, it ruined lives. once we lifted prohibition,
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people learned to drink responsibly, a lot of people don't. that's human nature. how can we teach people to enjoy what earth offers if we make everything illegal, people have a right to their own oblivion, we must allow them to seek it in the safety of their own homes instead of putting them in prison. >> very well said. listen, this thing started mostly under reagan when he had the three strike issue. who got incarcerated? it was a lot of people who smoked dope and got caught for the third time. it led to the creation of for-profit prisons. the fact of the matter is sessions, he would have arrested somebody who smoked -- what? >> i wanted to tell you something. >> did you just interrupt me and say you want to tell me something? >> yeah. >> go ahead.
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>> 99% of the people incarcerated are for drug trafficking, not like cheech and chong people? >> yeah. you can get busted for possession, et cetera, but not federal. federal, these mandatory minimums and sentencings are, that's what you are dealing with. >> when you talk about dealing, is it not the difference between charging someone with crack cocaine and powder cocaine is different? >> i think they changed that, right? >> i don't know whether they did or didn't. the point is how long are we going to keep doing this and recognize that, you are right, greg, you ever going to have people. if you take a drug dealer a big one off the streak, someone else will take his place. >> in some areas of life, the drug dealer is no different than a businessman dealing something.
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i know. remember, human beings seek a way out of their lives. >> okay. why don't you ask the people who have been put out of their lives in chicago and inner cities from violent crime by drug cartels led by bang members. they are not businessmen, they are murders. >> legalize, people go to clinics. i was addicted to both of them, i was addicted to you which is amazing. >> it's going to get him locked up, i say let him go. >> i have been locked up so many times -- what? >> i was going to bring up the story where you put a certain stash of something. >> we did that on your show. >> i was on that show. >> i put $25,000 and an ounce of cocaine in a security box, i couldn't find it. >> this is my point.
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>> jesse, want to hear more about that. >> no one ever found it? >> no. >> it's still out there somewhere, everybody. it's the beginning of a reality show, find bob's stash. >> i got to go. >> all right, jesse. my sense with donald trump, he's the kind of person who doesn't want to interfere with american lives. i'm surprised he would go this hard on something like that. >> yes, but he's very antidrug. never smoked pot in his life. >> he doesn't drink. >> he doesn't drink alcohol. he's a law and order guy. a lot of these drug traffickers are involved with ms 13 and they ruin children's lives. >> 35,000 americans died from opioid abuse last year. so did christy, we saw it when we were in new hampshire. >> so it's a compassionate move. >> you call that compassionate? >> it keeps the streets safer.
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>> it hasn't. >> that's because for the late year they talked about rehab. >> obama, obama, obama. >> they weren't keeping the criminals under gun laws in jail. they were letting them out. >> directly ahead, bob, a major story you won't hear much about in the mainstream media, christians under attack in the middle east. we'll be right back with that.
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>> wall street journal has a big report about christians fleeing the middle east, little to nothing is being done to protect them. yesterday vice president pence acknowledged the threat they are facing. >> they are harbor a special hatred for the followers of christ, and none more so than isis. they show the savagery unseen in the middle east since the middle ages. and i believe isis is guilty of nothing short of genocide
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against people of the christian faith. and it is time the world called it by name. >> so it is true that more arab christians are living outside the region than inside the region. there is something like 20 million arab christians living abroad and 15 million inside the region. the demographics are changing. what do you think, jesse? >> the last administration focused on islam phobia. i think we should focus on all victims no matter what their religion s the last administration didn't want to discuss the religious nature of the enemy. i think it's good for this administration to discuss that motivation behind the savage attack is based on religion. when you talk about the truth and accept the reality on the ground, you can make smarter decisions. >> yeah, it's groundhog day
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again. the fact is the christians have been in that region longer than muslims have been there. the fact that they have been killed, we talked about this for years, it's one of these things that drives me crazy. the egyptians tried to protect, they backed off. the rest of the region do nothing. they want to see genocide. if these muslim leaders who are supposedly our friend would stand up and say something, you are cowards. saudi arabia, what's wrong with you, you fund terrorism, sell us your oil, and then you won't say anything about this. >> at the same time, kimberly, you talk about radical ideology, they are not exclusively targeting christians. these crazy people who practice this. they hate nonbelieves.
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it's not only non-christians. >> it's pure evil and in terms of radical jihad, they don't let anybody stand in their way. it's for the highlight what's happening to christians and the genocide that is occurring in pakistan. you have christian girls that are kidnapped, converted to islam. married to muslim men. it's horrible to think we are seeing this happening across the word. it's sad because i don't see it being discussed or talked about enough. so i applaud the vice president for bringing this up. >> who's left? >> you get the last word. >> i rather just talk about how the media portrays this. it broadens the scope of the victims. there are acceptable victims in the media and unacceptable villains. we'll have countless stories that turn out to be hoaxes that generate the scare of the phobe y it's a nation based on these
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hoaxes. the media focuses on that and ignores the real suffering that's happening worldwide in which the victims are christian, muslim women and guys. they die daily. but someone writes something derogatory on a wall in a campus, that's where the news goes. >> all right. stick with us. one more thing is coming up next. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses.
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"special report" coming up now. ♪ >> bret: president trump warns his former fbi director to watch what he says amid reports the president asked james comey for a pledge of loyalty and insinuates it might all be caught on tape. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. new threats, real or implied tonight from president trump as the fallout continues over his firing of fbi director james comey. the president tweeted a warning to comey this morning to be careful what he says to the media. also, the president floated the idea of canceling future press briefings and handing out written statements and answers instead. we have fox team
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