night. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. the trump administration is strongly denying a report tonight that president trump may have revealed classified intelligence to the ambassador from russia and the foreign minister from that country during a meeting at theig white house last week. good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight."m in a moment, we will discuss the mass hysteria around the question of russia and its effect on this country. none of it good.d. first, a new report from "the washington post" claims that president trump may have compromised an intelligence source on the islamic states. the news is roiling washington, true or not. fox news white house correspondent john roberts has more on this. >> just checking my email for the very latest, talking with some folks of the white house tonight. they are very troubled,

obviously, that the story got out. they are trying to figure out how it got out, how all of this happened. g it was a very small circle, tucker. you had the principles, the president, secretary of state rex tillerson, h.r. mcmaster, the national security advisor, the deputy national security advisor for strategy, dina powell, then a handful ofof aides in the oval office, as well on the russian side. you had to the foreign ministers sergey lavrov,ad the russian ambassador to the united states, sergey kislyak. they would have had some people there as well. "the washington post" in breaking the story is quoting current and former u.s. officials. so, somebody dished the contents of that meeting. what happens in terms of this intelligence to current and u.s. officials. we don't know what the actual content of this was. c c but it is said to be dealing with intelligence regarding with threats to our security,

particular, threats to airlines. this may be relevant to the stories we have been telling you about laptops being banned on airplanes coming to the united states from the middle east and now europe. we have a number of statements that we have received from the white house just in the last few minutes. first of all, from rex tillerson, secretary of state, during president trump's meetings, a broad range of subjects were discussed. common efforts and threats. during president trump's meetings, a broad range of subjects were discussed. they did not discussed sources, methods, or military operations. the statement now from h.r. mcmaster, who is the national security advisor, when he cameme out to the stakeout just a few minutes ago and read this and then did not take any questions. let's watch here. >> there is nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the american people. the story that came out tonight as reported is false. the president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to

civil aviation. at no time, at no time, i were intelligence sources or methods discussed. and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. two other senior officials that were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. they are on the record and should outweigh the accounts of anonymous sources. i was in the room. it didn't happen. thanks, everybody. thanks. >> h.r. mcmaster same the president did not inappropriately leaked classified information. don't forget, tucker, when you are the president, you are allowed to release anything you want. the reaction in the white house, somewhat shocked. talking with an administration y official that told me that the fact that someone would leak this is "astonishing, shows an extraordinary lack of concern for national security." i am not sure how much more we will find out this evening.

the communication shop hason said they are done talking about this. because this information was classified, tucker, it's notfi known how much level of detail we'll be able to get on all of this.t' we'll keep plugging away. tucker. >> tucker: thanks a lot, john. it's almost like there are people in washington who like to undermine the relationship between u.s. and russia. back to the question of hysteria.hi w critics of the media often say u that donald trump is to diminishing the american presidency, at times, there is truth to that. but it is also true that in covering trump the way that they have, many journalists have degraded and humiliated themselves. there are countless examples of this but watch this one, as an anchor from another network describes a conversation she had last year with kellyanne conway. >> this is a woman, by the way, who came on our show during the campaign, and would shell forea trump, in extensive fashion, then she would get off the air, the camera would be turned off, the microphones taken off, and she would say, "blah, i need to take a shower."

because she disliked her candidate so much. >> tucker: i have no idea if kellyanne conway actually said anything like that. m i do know that tv anchors almost never reveal what their guests have said off camera and for good reason. people come to tv studios so they can speak on tv. they do not come with the expectation that the private conversations will be broadcastn to the country, especially when they are not present to defend themselves. in the more than 20 years of working in tv, i have never seen that happen, trust me, i've heard a lot of weird things on and off the aird television networks don't have hidden cameras in bathrooms for the same reason. even in media, there is privacy, those are the rules, or they were the rules, that was before nbc videotaped donald trump without his knowledge and then leaked that tape 11 years later to "the washington post" in an effort to destroy hisnd presidential campaign. that was not news coverage.. it was political activism committed by news outlets. but none of the usual media watchdog types said a word about it then or now.

because with trump, all bets are off. many journalists believe it is literally impossible to be unfair to donald trump or the people who work for him. extremism in the pursuit of trump is no vice. that is the view in newsrooms.tr you hear it in conversations all around washington. a city that voted 91% for hillary clinton last fall, media figures, adults, smart people, people who had perspective, they don't anymore. they have succumbed to trump hatred that is so intense, it has destroyed their judgment and in some cases, affected their character.r. i see it all the time, where normal people see the president's flaws and they do exist, they see crimes and conspiracies. the rest of us may complain that trump is undisciplined and impulsive, fair. they regard him as the single greatest threat to western civilization since atomic weapons. watch. >> i think this is a potentially more dangerous situation thann watergate. we are at a very dangerous moment. there is a cover-up going on to keep us from knowing what happened here. >> tucker: a cover-up of what

exactly? that part is often alleged but never explained because it is not necessary to explain it. the speaker isn't offering analysis, he is preaching to those who are already convertede his listeners already know that donald trump are evil. they don't need details. they want a sermon. and sermons are mostly what they are getting these days. >> donald trump, in much of hisg rhetoric, and many of his actions, poses a danger to american democracy. >> tucker: wait, did you say democracy? what would these people know about democracy? isn't it the same group thatat called on the republican party to strip donald trump of his nomination of the g.o.p. convention? i think it is. the same one that calls for the presidency to be taken from trump at the electoral college before his inauguration? even as they call for trump's removal from office just four months into his job, democracy. what you are looking at is a

kind of conflict of interest. we don't allow reporters to cover their spouses or kids. why don't we? because they wouldn't be able to see clearly. their emotions would cloud their judgment. their love would get in the way of fair coverage. hate has the same effect on people. it destroys your view of reality.ec in the end, it blinds you completely. that is where the american media are right now, stumbling around in a sightless rage, screaming. somebody ought to reel them in before they hurt themselves inun ways that can't be fixed. byron york has been around for a long time. he is the chief political correspondent for the "washington examiner" and he joins us. byron, i am not defending the president in noting that something about the coverage of him is different than i have seen in 30 years and it is bad. >> on the mika brzezinski - kellyanne conway thing, i think it is a special case. there is a drama that has gone on between donald trump and joe and mika, kind of a codependent relationship, msnbc, that program at least,

was quite positive tos donald trump for quite a while, then, they got really down on him but it has gone back and forth. >> tucker: all the times i've had someone sit on the set, we have seen it a million times, a democratic member of congress say something nasty about his party or give a nuanced view of something, i would never even consider revealing that on the air because it is a private conversation. >> in a larger sense, i do think there was a realization, as trump neared the nomination last year, and it became clear that he was not going to go away come i think there was a realization that among some of the press, they thought that the threat that trump presented was so severe, so dire, that theyey needed to change the way did business. people in the press spoke openly, "the new york times" said that we will call out the lies. indeed, you began to see the word lies and false and falsely claimed and that kind of stuff in headlines and first paragraphs of new stories, that you had not seen before. they felt it was important to change the way they operated to some of the standards that they observed for many, many years.

>> tucker: some of those standards are immutable. it doesn't matter who you arean covering.. you are assigned to cover w idi amin, you still have to be fair, you have to tell the truth, you can't lie in the service of a political agenda, period. or you are not a journalist. why don't they pull themselves out of the game when they can't be fair? >> let me give you an example os it spreading further than just journalism, it touches on journalism. in 1964, barry goldwater running for president, a magazine published an article in which a number of psychiatrists said that he was psychologically unfit to be president. after the election, goldwater sues for libel and wins. something called the goldwater rule emerges in the psychiatric profession, which is, you don't pronounce on the mentalme condition of a person you haveve not examined. >> tucker: [laughs] good call. >> that goldwater rule stays in effect for 50 years until now. and now, you are seeing psychiatrists, psychologists all over the place, talking about donald trump. this is from an article in "then

new yorker" just recently, said, "with regard to trump, however, the goldwater rule has been broken repeatedly, more than 50,000 mental health professionals have signed a petition stating that trump is "too seriously mentally ill to perform the duties of president." >> tucker: there is something about this president that brings out the worst in his enemies.s here's the final question, though. it's not simply a matter of being blinded to trump and hating trump so much that you can't cover him fairly, though that is happening. they have suspended judgment on the other side, because theyey just dislike trump so much they are withholding any kind of tough coverage on his opponents, on the left, and that is just lying. >> it is. there is no doubt about it. first of all, trump is the biggest story, there is no doubt that donald trump is the biggest story, he's president of the united states, the president is always the biggest story. but i think what has happened, the white house has come to eat all of their news coverage.

and we aren't seeing very much on the opposition. there is a belief, i think, you see this sometimes, if trump says it, it's wrong, and if people who are calling him on it or criticizing him are therefore right. >> tucker: that is the assumption and it is really distorting all of us. it's destroying our media. byron, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: from the inauguration to mayday to berkeley, the most irate elements of the left seem to have moved from protesting to rioting, to violence, political violence. up next, we will ask the leader of the anti-trump resistance why some on the left are embracing violence and why no one is saying that. also, a gay journalist who came out as conservative was repeatedly shouted down during a speech in oregon..meng he will be here to talk aboutten tolerance. stay tuned.. asmy family tree,ing i discovered a woman named marianne gaspard... it was her french name. then she came to louisiana as a slave.

i became curious where in africa she was from. so i took the ancestry dna test to find out more about my african roots. the ancestry dna results were really specific. they told me all of these places in west africa. i feel really proud of my lineage, and i feel really proud of my ancestry. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story, get started for free at ancestry.com when i feel controlled by frequent, unpredictable abdominal pain or discomfort and diarrhea. i tried lifestyle changes and over-the-counter treatments, but my symptoms keep coming back. it turns out i have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that's really frustrating. that's why i talked to my doctor about viberzi... ...a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both abdominal pain and diarrhea at the same time. so i can stay ahead of my symptoms. viberzi can cause new or worsening abdominal pain. do not take viberzi if you have no gallbladder, have pancreas or severe liver problems,

problems with alcohol abuse, long-lasting or severe constipation, or a bowel or gallbladder blockage. pancreatitis may occur and can lead to hospitalization and death. if you are taking viberzi, you should not take medicines that cause constipation. the most common side effects of viberzi include constipation, nausea, and abdominal pain. stay ahead of ibs-d with viberzi.

the shlike a bald penguin. how do i look? [ laughing ] show me the billboard music awards. show me top artist. show me the top hot 100 artist. they give awards for being hot and 100 years old? we'll take 2! [ laughing ] xfinity x1 gives you exclusive access to the best

of the billboard music awards just by using your voice. the billboard music awards. sunday, may 21st eight seven central only on abc. ♪ >> tucker: for decades, americans have viewed political violence as the kind of thing that troubles other countries, sadly, but thankfully, not our own. that is not the case anymore. across america, the die-hard anti-trump resistances has repeatedly embraced violence as a means of expressing their rage. >> light it up! >> [bleep]! >> back up. >> [bleep]!

[chanting] >> tucker: kevin zeese is the codirector of popular resistance, it's a protest organization with the aim of making this country "ungovernable," until president trump leaves office. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. so, what is your home address? >> 402 east lake avenue in baltimore. >> tucker: how would you feel if viewers who disagreed with what you said showed up at your house and started screaming at your kids. >> i don't have any kids butut they would be targeting the wrong person. i'm not a public official. i am not putting in place our proposals for changes in law that favor his former employees. >> tucker: i should say the reason i'm asking the question, what you alluded to, the fcc commissioner, ajit pai, who is backing policies that you disagree with, so you would

go to his house and hassle his family. >> his house is off the road wered another house and we standing outside on a public sidewalk, holding signs, saying "support net neutrality." we were not threatening anybody -- >> tucker: i'm not saying that s you did anything illegal. i am saying is awful. >> it's not awful. we did the same thing to tom wheeler when he was the fcc chair. it helped to finally convince them to do the right thing. >> tucker: because you are threatening him at home.e. why not go to his office? why not write a piece for "the new york times"? why not come on this show? >> because ajit pai is not listening to us. he is making the decision. he will repeal net neutrality. people cannot choose where they want to go. >> tucker: you disagree with the policy. >> i disagree with the approach. he has already decided the issue. >> tucker: how do you know? >> because he said it. he's made public speeches. >> tucker: he's got opinions, you've got opinions. the point is, you are going to

his house, that's a threat. >> he is no longer a verizon lawyer. >> tucker: i am not here to defend his views of network neutrality. i am here to defend that you can have a reasonable conversation without threatening someone. >> the reason i will go to his house is because he does not listen to people.kt >> tucker: who is the people? why do you represent the people more than he does? >> he has more comments ever, on the fcc comment page -- when tom wheeler didn't listen to those people, we want to his house, too. >> tucker: his candidate won a presidential election, are you kidding me? >> it requires a legislative process in order to make decisions. you have to evaluate the comments fairly, you can't have a biased opinion. he is still acting like a verizon lawyer. we want him to hear us. we want him to hear us. i >> tucker: why not just his -- hit him in the face? >> that is not going to work. >> tucker: if it did work,

would you? >> we want him to hear us. and we want the movement to build. the movement didn't build, i don't think violence will be an effective tactic. >> tucker: it is implied violence when you show up ate someone's house. it's a threat. >> we intentionally made no threats. >> tucker: when you see people on your side of the issue smashing store windows, dressed in masks. you're a lawyer. why don't you stand up and say you are discrediting me. what you are doing is immoral. nobody ever said that because you agree with their aims. >> we understand people have different tactics and their choices -- >> tucker: is that a legitimate tactic? >> in my view, our goal -- is to build. you don't build a mass movement with those kind of tactics. >> tucker: is that a legitimate tactic to smash windows? >> that is up to the people who organize.

>> tucker: there are times where using violence -- i'm asking you a philosophical question. >> i can't answer any question when violence is appropriate. if someone is attacking them -- >> tucker: there is no other side in this. they are destroying property, they are not under attack, they are destroying things that do not belong to them in the name of a political aim. >> to me, that is not effective. >> tucker: because there is a moral question. you are used to arguing on moral grounds, that is what you do. >> the effectiveness -- i would rather talk about factual grounds, like net neutrality, which i came here to discuss. >> tucker: what you are doing when you show up at somebody's house is you are ending a discussion. >> we are starting a discussion. >> tucker: you are intimidating the crap out of them.a >> we are not doing anything to threaten anybody.ti >> tucker: i hope you don't show up at my house. you wouldn't be bothered if people showed up at your house? if they say, you are a public

figure, i am showing up at your house in baltimore and i will hang out there and yell at you.e >> let's see what happens. >> tucker: what would you do? >> i would ignore them. >> tucker: you would, really? >> i would ignore them. >> tucker: i wouldn't. >> in the end, they are going to lose. that's not an effective tactic. this is the one tactic of many that we will use for the net neutrality play. it is about saving the free market. that is what it is about. your viewers don't understand it, and you waste all my time -- >> tucker: you are wasting my time by arguing -- >> the issue is, is notuc neutrality good or bad for the economy?yy >> tucker: i can't even hear you when you use tactics like that. >> open your earss up. >> tucker: kevin, thank you. >> tucker: chadwick moore is a gay man and journalist and new yorker, and he is

finding out how intolerant the left can be. he recently appeared at portland state to deliver a speech. local activists greeted him with signs and repeatedly interrupted his speech. >> i am black, and disabled -- i am a woman. i hope we can all work together. >> i hope so too. it would be really nice -- >> there is still time. >> tucker: chadwick moore made it out of there in one piece and he joins us now. chadwick moore, thank youit for coming on. what were you trying to say, and why the response to you, like that? why wouldn't they hear what you had to say?he >> we were giving a talk about

free speech and we were giving a talk about orthodoxy on campus. repeatedly, the students wouldut talk over me because they had no arguments. this was a new tactic to disrupt the speech to make sure other people couldn't hear what i was saying, trying to throw me off. they simply aren't educated enough today in school to properly argue. none of them stayed for the q and a because they couldn't question when i was saying.ed they don't have any talking points, they are not being taught the other side at all. >> tucker: was there anyone in the room clever enough to catch the ironing? -- the irony. someone trying to defend free speech being shot down? did anybody see that part of it? >> oh, yeah, of course. that is the great irony. we are seeing this all over. the attacks on free speech, they are nothing new to american society or any society across the world.d. they come when the elite feel threatened, when their objectives are being threatened, then we start to see censorship.

it is very interesting that the most powerful people in the democratic party, where are thes dog catchers on the democratic party? they are feral animals running around on the left, attacking everyone. the democratic party and the media are not telling us to -- telling them to stop. they are not standing up for the constitutional first amendment rights. it is very surprising and theypr are not winning any hearts or minds in this country by letting this behavior continued. >> tucker: but they don't care. what is happening here is there people in power are being threatened and that is the ferocious response. the middle class voted one way in the last election.ot the people in charge of everything lost control at their own power ebbing away and they decided to put a lid on it. is any university you have been to so far made any effort to defend your right to say what you think? >> i have seen nothing officially from universities. y there are small student groups, mostly republican groups, libertarian groups, freethinking groups, who are defending this.t i have not seen any administration standing up, they don't stand up for the promotional materials being torn

down, desecrated. i haven't seen -- there is silence from professors and administrators. >> tucker: so, you became a nonliberal, i'm not sure how you classify yourself -- >> right-wing extremist. [laughter] >> tucker: you left conventional liberalism later in life.xt are you surprised by the response you are getting? >> absolutely.y. but what i am most surprised about is the right, the warmth and the embrace and the acceptance, the community that i found on the right has been really amazing. when i came out as a conservative, i didn't know what awaited me. i didn't know any conservatives really, now i have this whole new community. it's been great and supportive. the left is just -- they are in their death throes right now. >> tucker: none of it is surprising me. chadwick, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: a computer bug, a nasty one, has disabled hundreds of thousands of computers around the world in the past few days. up next, we will talk about whether america is at risk, your

computer and its contest, if so, how to protect yourself. stay tuned. stay i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. trulicity is not insulin. it should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis.

do not take trulicity if you or a family member has had medullary thyroid cancer, if you've had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to trulicity. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms such as itching, rash, or trouble breathing; a lump or swelling in your neck; or severe pain in your stomach area. serious side effects may include pancreatitis, which can be fatal. taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases your risk for low blood sugar. common side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite and indigestion. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may make existing kidney problems worse. with trulicity, i click to activate what's within me. if you want help improving your a1c and blood sugar numbers with a non-insulin option, click to activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity.

with a non-insulin option, click to activate your within. we can't stay here! why? terrible toilet paper! i'll never get clean! way ahead of you. charmin ultra strong. it cleans better. it's four times stronger... ...and you can use less. enjoy the go with charmin. >> tucker: last friday, hundreds of thousands of computers around the world were hit by a cyber attack from a computer virus called appropriately wanna cry. overall, more than 100 computers were affected -- 100 countries, rather from everything,g, hospitals in the u.k., universities in china,brought t. so far, america has avoided the worst effects of the attack.

are your files at risk? they might be. morgan wright is a cyber security expert and a senior fellow at the center for digital government, he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> you bet, tucker. >> tucker: how bad was this and why hasn't the united states been affected in the way other countries happen? >> number one, compared to the huge service attack, this is orders of magnitude even worse than that. it hit 150 countries, like you said, hundreds of thousands of computers. just from a scale of magnitude, it was huge. why the u.s. hasn't been affected, good question. i think part of it is the attack is based upon phishing and spearfishing. we have become aware of the phishing attacks.po you have to click on the link in the email. part of it, too, a heightened sense of security of making sure that you patch things. microsoft is in the u.s., so people tend to follow that more. we are not immune from it. hospitals are definitely not immune. >> tucker: what is the point off an attack like that? >> money. this is capitalism.

on the bad side. ranswomware is designed to get ransom. i hold your files ransom. they are encrypted, you can get them back. if you can't pay for them, there is a clock, a timer, just like o at a football or basketball game, it counts down, you have to pay the money. >> tucker: if you pay the money, you get your files back? >> that is how it is supposed tt work, that is the way it is not working. right now, about $170,000 has been received. according to the fbi and thebe dhs, nobody has gotten our files back. >> tucker: how do you keep that from getting it to your computer? >> it sounds so cliche but you are the first line of your defense. just don't click on those links. a lot of people see an email come in, that is why they are worried, when asia came back to work, they were off when this attack started.. you've got to be careful. you can take your mounts and hover over a link, let it sit there and it will expose what the link is behind it. i can put tuckercarlson.com and redirect it to cnn.com if

i wanted, not that i would, but i could if i want to do. if you don't know what is behind the link. back up your information. a lot of people, med star in the washington, d.c., area, a victim of a ranswomware attack but thee had an aggressive backup policy and they were able to recover. those are some of the basic things. when microsoft puts out a patch, it is not a suggestion. you really need to update your systems. upgrade your systems.yo many of these affected systems were not officially supported by microsoft. >> tucker: is this just for desktops and laptops or ipods, ipads, phonesos affected? >> no, the apple products aren't affected right now.ps it only affects a vulnerability in windows. because it is a worm, it's not a virus, the second part of this payload, part of what they thought were the nsa tools from shadow broker, this thing was able to self replicate very much the way that stuxnet wormed in the iranian centrifuges. it worked its way through the system and attacked everything that was vulnerable. >> tucker: don't click on links. be suspicious. and get apple rather than microsoft. >> [laughs] i use macs. >> tucker: really quickly, isla

this a threat to our basic infrastructure, air travel,, could this bring countries to its knees? >> it could. how we dodge the bullet, it may just be pure luck. tucker, you have to realize how fast this thing spread. it did hit critical infrastructure, it hit banks, to hospitals are one of the ones that i worry about most. if they do an overdraft, they don't fall over. in a hospital, they could die from locking up records, patient medications. we are not out of the woods on this yet. >> tucker: morgan wright, thanks. >> you bet,ie tucker. >> tucker: venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world, yet people are starving. why? economics 101. up next, we'll talk to then socialist who says the failure of venezuela's economy shows the problem was not with socialism but with america's capitalism. then michelle obama claims president trump canceled herit school lunch program because he doesn't like children. more on that ahead.

more on that ahead. ♪

when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies.

preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. ♪ >> tucker: the american left has celebrated venezuela's socialist economic model for a long time and called for its imitation elsewhere. unfortunately, as you just saw, the model appears to be encountering some fairly predictable difficulties recently with violence, political unrest, even starvation now sweeping the country, which by the way, is -- does the left still think that socialism works?

dakotah lilly is with the group students and youth for a new america. dakotah, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: do you see a pattern here? it is not just venezuela, but is also 1970s bulgaria, romaniaer and albania and the soviet union and cuba, north korea, every country that has tried this economic system winds up in poverty. so, do you see a connection between all of these cases? >> tucker, what i think is extremely important, we need toe acknowledge that what venezuela is currently facing right now is terrorism at the hands of the opposition. the opposition has bombed schools, they have bombed buses, they have taken wiring and strung it across roads to behead cops on motorcycles. these aren't choirboys. these are violent extremists hell-bent on taking away then progress venezuela has made of the past few years.st >> tucker: who has got they guns in venezuela? h private gun ownership is obviously illegal in venezuela, so the overwhelming majority of firearms are in the hands of the

government. so, how can the opposition to the government to be the ones perpetrating the violence? >> tucker, if you look at the casualties that have happened in the past few months and these protests, the majority of those that have been killed have been trade unionist leaders. people on the left. obviously, the people that are being targeted are ones that support the government. >> tucker: dakotah, i don't want to rock your world, but i think statistics are hard to come by under the maduro government, which controls, of course, the statistics coming out of venezuela. the bottom line, the country has had a socialist government for over ten years, it has become poorer every year despite having the world's largest oil reserves. does that give you any cause to stop and say maybe this whole socialism thing doesn't work that well?or it has never worked anywhere, it is not working again. maybe there is a lesson for me as a young american. no? >> tucker, everyone in venezuela, including the

president, nicolas maduro, acknowledges that reforms are needed and things like food distribution and elsewhere. but very few if any one of venezuela wants to go back to the pre-chavez years of unbridled capitalism. so much so that the leader of the opposition, henrique capriles, calls himself a socialist. >> tucker: presumably, he means something different. is your spanish pretty good? you have a pretty good handle on popular opinion in venezuela? how would you know what the majority of people in venezuelae want? >> all you have to do is look at the astounding amount of elections that have been held over the past few years.r ever since the early 2000s when chavez came in, people have come out time and time again to vote for the united socialist party, to vote for constitutional referendums, and to vote for hugo chavez and nicolas maduro in elections that have been certified by international observers, like the carter center. >> tucker: so, you really think that the government of venezuela is on the level that it is the purely democratic government, that it's basically

successful economically. how can you think that? have you spent a lot of time there? have you talked to a lot of people about it? like, what gives you that idea? >> well, tucker, if you look at the international observers that have certified these elections, i mean, what stake does jimmy carter and the carter center have in defining fraudulent elections that are democratic? i think most people, if you look at the violence that has happened after these elections, every time the government has won an election, there has been mass violence. yet, the one time the opposition won in december, there was no violence. plus, at the end of the day, what stake do american working families have in the united states meddling in internal affairs in venezuela? >> tucker: i don't think it is a question that the united states meddling in internal affairs in venezuela. it is a total disaster, they don't have toilet

paper in parts of the country. people are starving in what was until pretty recently, i visited as a kid, a rich country, a countryha making progress, to first world status, now, it is a disaster, one of the highest crime rates in the world. the chavez and maduro people did that. why not just say that? >> like i said, everyone in the government acknowledges that things like crime are too high and reforms are needed. that is something that was mentioned by chavez before he died in something that is still mentioned by nicolas maduro. but in terms of economics, the sanctions that the united states has put on venezuela, and the hoarding done by multinationaled corporations and venezuela certainly doesn't help the situation. >> tucker: okay, but that's not the real problem. the supreme court shut down the congress in venezuela. if you believe in democracy and you think people ought to have a say in the government, if the government is shutting down congress, that is authoritarian. again, as an american, why would you make excuses for that? you are not venezuelan. you don't have to pretend this is going well.

it's a total disaster. why not just say so? >> tucker, if you look at the accusations that were leveled against the national assembly, they were legitimate accusations. people believed that certain members of the national assembly had been illegally inaugurated. and that is why the supreme court struck it down, which was then rescinded just a few days later. >> tucker: i don't want to be mean. you are so young. it's just, people, i guess, in college believe anything. but it just seems like, of all of the things that we debate, whether or not venezuela is a success, does seem to have moved into the beyond debate category. it's like a total disaster. i don't know. if you don't see that i probably won't convince you. but thanks for joining us, dakotah. i appreciate it. d >> thank you. >> tucker: the left loves diversity of skin color provided that it doesn't include diversity of thought, as well. the left freaked out over the new miss usa comment, the crazy

story of the day? we actually have a way to decide that. it is called "top that" and it is next. man cave! nacho? [ train whistle blows ] what?! -stop it! -mm-hmm. we've been saving a lot of money ever since we switched to progressive. this bar is legit. and now we get an even bigger discount from bundling home and auto. i can get used to this. it might take a minute. -swing and a miss! -slam dunk! touchdown! together: sports! hit could be the next big thing i should totally get that domain name... get your great idea online too... get your domain today, and get... ...a free trial of gocentral from godaddy brtry new flonase sensimists. allergy relief instead of allergy pills.

it delivers a gentle mist experience to help block six key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills only block one. new flonase sensimist changes everything. say no to this because of my bladder? thanks to tena... not anymore! only new tena intimates has pro-skin technology designed to quickly wick away moisture. to help maintain your skin's natural balance. it goes beyond triple protection from leaks, odor and moisture. so you can feel fresh and free

to get as close as you want. only tena, lets you be you. ♪

♪ >> tucker: can you imagine working in the news business right now? there is so much out there, so much weird news, we need an entire segment to evaluate what is the strangest. it is called "top that." our panel, from the "washington examiner," and katherine lyons, managing editor of "famous d.c." katherine, to you first. >> in nonpolitical news, that is now political, sound bite from the miss usa pageant. >> do you think affordable

health care for all u.s. citizens is a right or a privilege and why? >> i'm definitely going to say it is a privilege. as a government employee, i am granted health care. and i see firsthand that for one to have health care, you need to have jobs. therefore, we need to continue to cultivate this environment that we are given the opportunity of health care as well as jobs to all the american citizens worldwide. >> first of all, kudos to these back-to-back miss usa champs. second of all, she is a 25-year-old nuclear scientist. she works with the regulatory commission. i don't even know what half of those words mean. we are concentrating on her answers to miss usa -- >> tucker: was she attacked for this? >> she is criticized, saying that her answers lean a little too conservative when it came to health care and feminism.m.in she would rather talk about equalism. she used the word "transpose," that has to be points in scrabble, right?

>> tucker: [laughs]] she is being attacked for not saying that health care is a right rather than a privilege? >> right.re >> tucker: huh.he i think she did a pretty good? job as far as i'm concerned. can you beat that? >> tucker, i am pretty easy-going, not much offended me. i i was deeply offended by something today i saw. the romp him. a romper garment that has become very popular with women, now made for men. if you take this as some sort of elaborate performance art about the decline of american masculinity, it is almost admirable. but this has raised over $15,000 from kickstarter. there are people who are taking it seriously enough to put their money where their mouth is. now, look, if men want to wear a one-piece garment, flight suit, the type of thing you have to wear to work in a mechanic shop, a factory, all about it.gh but this -- it is the furthest thing possible from a flight suit that you can think of. this was just -- >> tucker: a onesie for men?

>> a short onesie for men. >> tucker: would men actually buy? it? >> if this had just been a joke, i would say, funny. but it has raised over $15,000 on kickstarter from people who would like to purchase one in hopes that it is the fashion trend -- >> tucker: i would have to believe that the people spending money on kickstarter are doing this ironically. >> one hopes. >> tucker: like a pet rock. actual men will not be seen wearing this. on the other hand, i believed, sincerely that there are a lot of people out there who are deeply offended by miss washington d.c. saying it was a privilege rather than a right. so, you win. o but you come back when you seeee people on the street wearing the onesie. we'll do a whole segment on it. >> okay. fantastic. >> tucker: thank you, both. very much. michelle obama is back in the news, making her first public speaking appearance since she left the white house. she used it to convey the fact that her husband's successor doesn't like children. we'll tell you what she said coming up.

coming up. for 10 years my tempur-pedic has adapted to my weight and shape. so i sleep deeply and wake up ready to perform. now through june 11th, save $600 when you buy select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com.

working my canister off to clean and shine and give proven protection against fading and aging. he won't use those copycat wipes. hi...doing anything later? ooh, the quiet type. i like that. armor all original protectant. it's easy to look good. whatwhat made them believeace carthat a two-ton behemothhop? could compete in a track race? or that they could take on the elite in world motor racing, and win? we may never truly understand what drives mercedes-amg. but here's to another 50 years of it. mercedes-amg. half a century of driving performance.

>> tucker: well, michelle obama has no idea why people didn't like her school lunch programs. the former first lady made her first public speaking appearances leaving the white house last friday and she used it to complain about the trump administration's rollback of the school lunch initiative.t >> this is where you really have to look at motives. you have to stop and think, why don't you want our kids to have good food at school? what is wrong with you? [applause] and why is that a partisan issue? why would that be political? what is going on? >> tucker: you are a bad person if you don't agree with me. you hear the former first lady tell us the only possible reason to cancel her program is if youu hate kids.

but in this alternate realitysi that we call real life, you can pick up other reasons. this good food was actually disgusting a lot of times. dozens of readily available pictures will attest. a lot of this food were in the garbage. once found that food and vegetable waste went up by 60% under michelle obama's program. despite all that food getting tossed out, the program still wasn't bringing down childhood obesity which continues to rise in this country.to kids aren't the only ones getting grossed out though. the country's largest organization of school nutrition amazingly praised the trump administration's decision, saying school's much-needed budgetary and culinary flexibility. but apparently and michelle obama's moral universe, ituc simply that she likes kids and anyone that disagrees with her hates kids. that's her position. our position as we are out of time. tune in every night at 8:00 who is this sworn enemy of smugness, pomposity, lying, and groupthink.

if you haven't already, dvr it. our friends from "the five" are ready to go in new york. have a good night. ♪ >> kimberly: hello, everyone. i am kimberly guilfoyle. this is a fox news alert. the white house pushing back against the bombshell "washington post" report in the headlight of the poster is that trump revealed highly classified information to russianpo foreign minister and the ambassador. national security advisor h.r. mcmaster denied the report. >> there is nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of our people. the story that came out tonight reported is false. the president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries including threats to civil aviation. at no time -- at no time, or intelligence sources or message discussed.