will have live coverage throughout the night. we will be monitoring the early morning breakfast programs in the united kingdom to see if they know who might have been responsible or if anybody else might have been involved. our coverage continues, i'm shepard smith in >> trace: continuing coverage of the horrifying event that packed the arena in northern england adult no one has yet claimed responsibility, once again it appears that has a hallmark of terrorism. good evening everyone i am trace gallagher at the breaking news that's in los angeles. an explosion which appears to be the work of a suicide bomber went off around 10:30 local time in manchester arena where ariana grande they had just finished performing. watch. >> as i turned, boom! one round noise and then we -- the first ten seconds we thought about it and we just walked with

taste and a gentleman said run! >> trace: you heard her say one loud boom. someone said they heard two loud booms, but the consensus seems to be this was one wild, very large explosion. this hour we are told that 19 people are dead, at least 50-hertz, although 59 59 pick t to local hospitals. most of the victims we believe our children and their parents, who were out for an evening of fun, the terror and resulting chaos captured in heartrending videos as rescuers began racing to the scene. we saw ambulances all night long. they came in they went. we did not in the early hours see people on stretchers being taken out. it was odd because everybody inside the arena could hear the explosion, but nobody saw it, nobody sighed. we know it's not until later on the explosion happened outside the arena. it happened in front of the box office between the victoria

train station as well as the arena. that is where it happened. we believe 19 people were killed, as i said, 59 injured. this was said to be a night of music, a native festivities. it became a metaphor. let's get lied not to katie logan, she is with us in london. what is the latest from where you are? >> from what we are hearing, they are treating this as a possible terrorist attack, as you mentioned. 19 people killed, at least 59 injured. they were taking to six hospitals around the city of manchester. this explosion happened just after 10:30 p.m. local time here in the u.k. as a concert by areata grandes in the northern city of manchester, just west of london. from this account, it appears that device exploded outside the new just the people were leaving. there are anonymous reports unconfirmed from u.s. officials indicating a suicide bomber is

suspected to be involved. british police are not confirming this at this stage. to give you some perspective, this is a huge arena and holds about 20,000 people. it was thought to be careful to capacity, understandably there was huge panic in the immediate aftermath of that explosion. many young fans were at this concert, and there are heartbreaking reports of parents searching for missing kids. the singer herself said to be okay. she has tweeted and i quote "i am broken from the bottom of my heart." >> trace: katie, you mentioned that this was in fact believed to be a suicide bombing. is there any indication, have your sources for anybody else on the ground there, giving you an idea of who might be behind thi this? >> if there is no confirmation yet. there is no claim of responsibility yet. we are hearing apparently that isis thought this on twitter a

particularly active at this point of time. there are so confirmation or claim of responsibility. the government will be holding an emergency meeting at 9:00 local time here. prime minister saint authorities will be treating this as a terrorist attack and police and manchester say they l not work with national police and national intelligence agencies to investigate this. don't forget as well, in the backdrops of this, there's a national election here inu.k. oy soon, campaigning for the election has now been temporarily suspended. do you keep course is at its second-highest alert level severe. it has been at this level for some time now. authorities constantly correct terrorist suspects, but if this does turn out to be a terrorist attack, it will be the most serious attack of its kind in this country for over a decade. >> trace: katie logan live for us and monday. katie, stand by if you will.

you see these pictures of these children in these teenagers inside this arena. we have been monitoring social media and witness accounts all night long. there were some who weren't in the upper decks of the arena when the explosion happened and they say it took them between five and a 7 minutes to get from the upper decks to the closest exits. they set a time it felt like five to seven hours. they felt calmed a little bit because during that time there were some announcements. to the people inside the arena saying no it was just balloons or a blown speaker. it turned out to be much, much worse. with us now to steve rogers, a former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force. steve, we have seen as a number of times. what do you think the start of sometime tomorrow or in the days or weeks ahead that the investigators find out whoever was behind this was being surveilled and it was being watched by the authorities on the ground in the u.k.?

>> i can't tell you what the author with regard to that. but i can tell you this, that this was a well-planned, well executed operation. there had to be some reconnaissance done. basically, the bomber was unable to get into the venue, but he decided to get maximum damage to a loss of life and property outside that venue. what's astonishing here is the fact that there is a bomb maker out there. we have to remember that using these individuals who blow themselves up are not the ones of who made those bombs. there's got to be at least a minimum of one, in the lord knows, more people, involved in the planning and execution of of this attack. >> trace: you talk about the bomb maker, steve, and review in the early going here that when some of these children got to the hospital they had shrapnel wounds and wounds of males.

the indication was that this was a nail bomb which is kind of a hallmark of isis and others. if we get that bomb, we learn the bomb maker, what do we find out about that? >> what they will do is take the shrapnel and the pieces of this palm, as well as any evidence surrounding this particular bomb, it they will do and a lot of comparison of bombs that were used in other attacks throughout the years. that is very, very critical because it could lead you back to one particular bomb makers. the other think is this and that this is very, very important. can we talk about terrorist to do some reconnaissance to be targeted area, we are talking about videos that are maybe still in storage up to two months ago. the police are going to be looking at videos in the entire area, maybe up to 60 or 90 days before today. hopefully it will lead them to

some clue to who has committed this act. was this person driven a? how did they get there? did they use public transportation? >> trace: it's interesting because we talked in the early going here what they found was a potential second device and they exploded it and turned out to be nothing more than an abandoned closing. it kind of fits the pattern at the time because you go back to the airport attack in turkey, brussels, and you see how isis has used one bomb to kill as many people as possible in one place and then it moves them onto a different place where there is a second bomb. the fact that there was only one, we believe at this point, one suicide bomber in this case, what does that tell you about this particular attack? >> right now we know of one suicide bomber, but what they are doing is scouring that entire area to ensure there is not a second bomb somewhere. we have not yet concluded or drawn any conclusions at this

point until the entire crime scene is fully secured and fully analyzed and investigated. this has all the hallmarks of an isis attack come up this person was homegrown and radicalized forth from a foreign country, that remains to be seen. >> trace: we thought first this was inside and one of the foyers and lobby areas and knowing all this outside. we have the attacker did not have to circumvent security at all, that he went after the people outside. does it show more planning on behalf of whoever put this off that they did not go inside? that they may have surveilled disputing? what does it tell you? >> that's exactly what it tells me, and the fear has always been throughout the years, one of these terrorists is going to rise up and realize you can't get into these venues where they want to do maximum damage and actually wait outside until people are exiting. and here, that's exactly what we have to make. the people were exiting and

detonated that device where he could do maximum advantage and chic certainly succeeded. >> trace: at the u.s. ever has and stadiums, every weekend facebook games, football games, you name it, there are people queued up to get inside d you have to go through security and the check your bank and they check whatever to get inside. while you are waiting to go through security, there are at sometime several several hundred people waiting in line. clearly this may change the way security teams review how to secure these arenas. because the only way that i could see that happening is to have k-9 units walking in parking lots and just walking all over the place. where do you draw the line? this is merely an impossible task to prevent an attack like this. if it's not inside, they will obviously do it on the outside. >> trace: i got to ask you. we know the target here. we know this was the ariana grande concert. i have daughters rvh were

clearly they would love to go t. witnesses say this was thousands and thousands children between the ages of 18. what does it say about going after that type of venue with that type of target. >> they want to strike terror into the hearts of people and this is the way they can do it. i haven't hindered our freedom of movement. you bring up a good point. this was children. the entire world, world leaders should be outraged and tonight they should be expressing outraged and take the action necessary to finally decapitate these terrorist organizations. if, in fact, this was a foreign terrorist organization committed this act. steve rogers, good of you to stay with us. just stand by, we may come back to you very soon. we should point out that he makes a good point. we don't know yet. we have no idea who has claimed

responsibility. we can't say that in recent days, isis did release some 40 or 45 minute video encouraging the followers, their followers, to take matters into their own hands and attack their homeland. let's bring in david kathy, the ceo of global security group and he's also an expert and fire card security and safety. david, i'm not sure if you hear heard, it kind of gives you a different idea of how you go about defending or securing these various stadiums and arenas around the world. you have people who are outside queuing up, do you think this place into that at all? >> exactly right and that's why in many countries, israel in particular, they consider the fact that there's enough people congregating in a certain area, they present the same attractive target specific terrorist was able to get inside the venue.

multiple, multiple entry points all screened and the idea is to make smaller groups of people at each entry point and makes it a less attractive target. it's still a problem but it's one approach from israel. >> trace: right. again, we have a situation here where there is nobody trying to get inside, at least to our understanding, no one was trying to get inside the arena itself. this was apparently a plan to attack the outside of the arena. you go back to the nightclub attack, they got inside. they had a plan to get inside. there appears to be no plan to get inside. >> exactly right, why should they? they should do the same sort of damage outside with people trying to get in and get out. whether or not, for example, try to go through security, you are not making it through. period any device you have will

be at a certain point if you cannot go past the metal detectors successfully. what you have to do is see if that we are not going through screening. the attack was a large crowd of people without risking detectio detection. >> trace: is there a school of thought that says maybe -- we hate to say that because the bomb, the more damage, but that's kind of the case. the more depth much more damage. is there a school of thought that says you might be able to get a small device through security? you are the firearms expert and i am not so i don't know. if there is a possibility that you can get a small device and it might explode it might cost a couple of lives? or is it better to do what they did tonight actually have a bigger device and go after a smaller crowd of people with a bigger device? >> that is the point you raise and it's a good one.

why not? what is so special about getting inside? whether or not the device is large, you still will have a component of the consisted metal parts. that's going to set the metal detector off. what will happen is the detonation will occur at the security checkpoint, four, as he said, they won't even risk it. won't you let that several thousands his venue, there's no possibility of detection. the explosions are not detectable by docs and they just get into the crowd and get made. >> trace: we talk about these tom wolf attacks can we go back to mesa for the truck with use. can you go back to attacks and this was multifaceted. with numerous attackers. are you surprised that these attacks seem to be scaling down fit? >> you know, i am not really

sure they are scaling down. there is a wall, but if you think about a simple attack of getting into a truck and plowing through a crowd, that is something that could happen at any time. in this case, we had a destructive device. i heard shep earlier about a fuel type of smell. that could be suggested of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil. the common explosive and used -- i don't have the statistics but 95% of the roadside bombs in afghanistan were of this component. very, very easy to manufacture. but it does take a little effor effort. adding as mentioned earlier nails and other shrapnel function. it takes a little bit, but long as there's the motivation, there's the possibility of these ingredients are very, very available at every single

industrialized country and not industrialized countries in the will. >> trace: so take us to the composition of a bomb like that, david. does it make if you use those ingredients. are they widely used because they are widely successful? or does it make it extremely so? >> in the case of it, the rough comparison to tnt, about 80% as destructive. to think how difficult it could be or ammonium nitrate as a fertilizer. you can go on the internet and get the instructions of how to make this, which is something we should really be thinking about doing about. these are constructions of how to put it together and have no shortage of websites telling people how to do this. they are readily available,

easy, lethal, and all you need to do is create an explosive wave up to a certain velocity. nails, screws, stuff like that with a high rate of speed. >> trace: david, final question for you. if you were on scene with the investigative team tomorrow morning, what are you looking for? what is the person you are looking for? marks in the billing, actual shrapnel, what is your key? >> is a bit of components in whatever container device or whatever. of course the shrapnel is kind of a gruesome thing to consider but shrapnel is not going to be any problem together. it will be all over this evenin evening. you will get a lot of clues there and then of course the residue that will very, very well trained analysts who will not rest until they find the exact composition of the explosive, that will be the start.

then, in england, if you have anything you have cameras. we will look at every possible camera angle, look at that over and over again to find somebody carrying a package, carrying a backpack, and identify that person probably by morning. >> trace: it's interesting because i know i said last question, it's interesting to me we have all these young people with their cameras on inside the arena and there's nobody with a camera outside, at least for the most part. nobody is really taking video outside waiting to get your kids in the area by the box office. there are different strategies to go through this and these suicide bombers are worried about getting caught. they are not worried about the camera's, they are not worried about who finds out. at some point in the next 15 two 24 hours we go get a claim of responsibility for this. do they really care what we come up with in this investigation? >> it is not one of a care or not. if we can find out who did it,

then we of course truck backwards to find out who their associates were, did they operate alone, they manufacture the device or was it the bomber himself? probably himself statistically. to that person manufacture it at home? are there others out there ready to perpetrate similar attacks? we care. >> trace: fascinating insight. david katz, good of you sir. let's bring in forensic pathologist and fox news contributor, dr. michael barton. you would be the one if you were arriving on scene tomorrow to look at these parties and to figure out exactly what was happening to them. what's the first thing you would look at if you were -- if these victims were investigated by you? >> that is kind of universal now because corners and medical

examiners examine bodies and the first on the scene of the investigation is important, which is going on right now. there are the living people who are going to hospitals that contained a lot of evidence, and in the mortuary, the manchester mortuary, which is a few hundred miles away from london, they have a set up of plan of how to do with mass disasters. they do more training in england than we do in the united states. criminalist market grows. because of their vulnerability. the first thing that would happen is that tomorrow, each body will be examined externall externally, photographs will be taken, clothing, jewelry will be removed and carefully collected

and put into containers. the photographs were taken of the parties without clothing. they have something in england we haven't really started in the united states of doing cat scans of the parties. for special machinery now to examine the bodies to ask internally to it without doing pop top fees and identify if there's any evidence in the bod body. so that the evidence, if there are missiles or fragments, as you just discussed about ball bearings males to make nails for example, there's also explosive gases, skin and clothn be swamped and examined also. or to determine what kind of device it was. if you know kind of device it i

is, the forensic scientists there can get it back to who made this device and which group made this device. that's as far as evidence collection, but also, at the corner and the medical examiners going into the mortuary have to go immediate concerns. the police want to know who the bomber is to identify the farmer and who it is and such. each family wants to know their loved one identified and released as soon as possible so that they can make burial arrangements and family matters. all that will be going on tomorrow. they will be able to make identifications pretty quickly given all the new technologies with the cat scans and the fact that these people probably had identification on them. purses, markets. >> trace: go back if you will

to the cat scans. what is the benefit of the new way of getting a ct scan versus the old way of an autopsy? are we creating different information that can help us in the future >> yes. the cap scanning in three dimensions really on the body, one can see the patterns of injury each body more clearly than the regular x-rays that we take here in the states. in this situation, it's clear that all these people who are dead died from an explosive device. knowing the patterns will bring you back to where the bomb went off, how the bomb went off, how to protect against it in the future, and how to make sure that all the penetrating

shrapnel gets removed because that's the evidence of what the bomb was made of. this goes not only for the dead, but for the living. the 50 or so people that are in hospitals that have been injured will have information -- when the surgeon operates and remove shrapnel from the bodies, that will all go to the police. so that they will be able to get a good picture of who the filemaker may have been. >> trace: i am curious when you say in the future to defend against this. can you expand on that for me. what you mean we can expand to make by knowing what they hit us with? >> want to know what the bomb is made of and who is making it, remember in libya -- not in libya. when the plane crashed in scotland some decades ago, they

were able to from a piece of fragments like a thumbnail size trace them back to the maker in libya. the inter-port into the police are very much involved in this investigation right now and tomorrow in the mortuary. they get a great deal of information because each, as he discussed before, bomb maker, this isn't something that they learned at harvard, they learn this themselves how to make bombs and each of these farms to make bomb makers have some uniqueness to how they are usedw they can make them bomb go off. these are helpful. as far as the families, they want the body and remains as soon as possible. getting proper x-rays can sometimes get the bodies to the families quicker.

>> trace: you brought up the panoramic attack in scotland many years ago. in that time, in those tickets since then, my last question to you, i would come leaps in technology in the knowledge that we have these types of explosions? or has it's just been baby steps? >> we have gone leaps to identify from the smallest particles of the bomb a great deal of information about some of the phones. the forensic science has increased greatly. that can be important and also finding out whether certain kinds of chemicals used to make a bomb by certain bomb maker. , tracing that chemical when it's on the internet or something might be helpful in identifying a potential bomb maker.

that kind of information. >> trace: you say the internet of course has been a huge tool in helping that. dr. michael baden always great stuff. thank you, sir. coming up, more on what appears to be a deadly terror attack in manchester, england. we will have much more breaking news continues on fox news channel. every chip, and every putt, is data that can make the difference between winning and losing. the microsoft cloud helps the pga tour turn countless points of data into insights that transform their business and will enhance the game for players and fans. the microsoft cloud turns information into insight.

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let's join us with katie logan. katie, what is the latest from there? >> high, trace. as you say, it police are treating it as a possible terrorist attack. the incident, the explosion happened just after 10:30 p.m. local time at that ariana grande concert in manchester. from witness accounts, quite harrowing accounts, it appears the device exploded outside the venue as people believing their anonymous unconfirmed reports from u.s. officials, apparently indicating a suicide bomber is suspected, but british police have not yet confirmed that level of detail. just to give you some ideas for the scale of this, this is a huge concert arena the whole summer of 20,000 people and thought to be near fulford's particular concert. understanding there's a great sense of panic and there's a lot of young fans at this concert. there were heartbreaking reports on social media parents looking

for their kids, still separated from their loved ones. the singer herself, while she is said to be okay, has tweeted that she is brokenhearted about what has happened. >> trace: ariana grande has now canceled the rest of her tour, at least for now. you talk about the kids that are missing. we saw some of those images on social media. we will not show them because we have no idea if they are still missing. they were taking in some of these kids at local hotels, dozens and dozens of kids who were coming out and they couldn't find their parents. the local hotel were taking some of these people and giving them refuge. i'm wondering if the hours move into morning where you are, are you hearing anything about any signals about who might be behind this? any claims of responsibility? >> no specific claim yet, trace. what's interesting is there is some chatter on prices and isa supporters on twitter. no one has claimed incident for

this yet. what we do know is that sources are investigating this rapidly and the government has called an emergency meeting at 9:00. the said authorities around the country are working to establish the cause of this and that means now the local police are collaborating with national forces and national intelligence agencies as well. just to give you some facts top. the u.k. is at its second-highest threat level. that is severe. it has been at that level for some time now. often you hear about terrace being arrested and going on trial here. they are quite proud of preventing attacks oh five. if this approved to be a terrorist attack, it will be the most severe in the last decade or so. there is a national election happening here in a few weeks on june the eighth. and because of the attacks,

election campaigning has to be suspended for now. >> trace: kitty logan why for us in our london newsroom. thank you very much. the brutal terrorist attack in manchester, england, has awakened concerns in the u.s. we go to arena's, we go to stadiums, baseball stadiums on a daily basis. we are doing now, a retired 20 year veteran of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. bernard, you are very familiar with racist and extremist groups here in the u.s. how prominent are these boots and how much of a threat, in your opinion, do they pose? >> i feel some responsibility of everyone involved in public safety and citizens of all nations to assume this threat is going to happen. obviously this is a group of sociopaths that were targeted and murdered little girls at a constant. >> trace: and that is the

question we have asking all night. we know that airplanes have been hit and nightclubs have been hi hit. i can't really think back, and maybe you can, i can't really think back to where there was a terrorist thing except maybe in the school in russia many years ago where the actual target they know more young children. can you? >> it goes back to early u.s. industrialized in the early 1900s where they were responsible for building a schoolhouse. in the process of building the school costs, pay them of the entire school with children in the early 1900s. the whole issue is that this is something that is industrialize industrialized. response and the assumption that these type of attacks are going to happen and continue to happen. much like when the u.s. was first to do dealing with fire safety. people died when rulings were higher than two stories. now with crowns and venues that

attract volumes of people, we have to assume that everything is form of ability. >> trace: i am going to go back to the industrialization of this. you are saying that we need to do what exactly to help fight this threat? >> you think in terms of how many people died in the development of the nation and in europe when buildings got larger and more complex. before you had regulatory responses for fire depression and that. we start looking in terms of our venues, our workplaces, our schools we have the vulnerability of a mass shooting event or criminal bombing event, if certain safeguards can go into place just out of routine business, there's the potential of saving future victims, not necessarily in the case -- a sense of justice, but having the assumption that these kind of things are going to happen. >> trace: the assumption that these things are going to happen. how do we safeguard these buildings? use a series what is your

indication that a building to save or that a is safe? that we can help lower the risk of terror. >> if you have large concentrations of people, right now, the united states and developed world is fighting an ideology that mutates the largest religion on the planet for these atrocities are kidding back in the name of god. the motive is endless. one can assume that in large gatherings of people and uncontrolled areas, somebody could self deploy and that provides explosive device and conduct exactly what happened in the united kingdom. >> trace: interesting stuff. i think you. the question we are all asking is how does it that the radical extremism filtrate a religious following and can maybe be stopped? when we come back, an american muslim rights to save his face.

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>> trace: continuing coverage of the breaking news from the u.k., the finalists that ripped through that concert hall in manchester monday evening is becoming more and more familiar to law enforcement agencies around the world authorities are now learning how the terrorists operated, but where and when they might strike remains a guessing game. but that's now on the phone as a former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force. probably, what you make of the attack in manchester? >> it's nothing new unfortunately. for me and my experience, it hearkens back to centennial park in in the atlanta olympics were there was a backpack place and would have done a lot more damage had some teenagers not found that backpack and try to steal it. it was so heavy they do it under

a bench that absorbed most of the blast. when they place that backpack there, it was full of shrapnel and stuff that would have killed a lot more people. it's nothing new the deviousness is aimed at children here. obviously it is different, but the task itself is not new at all. >> trace: the tactics are old. do you think the way that we defend ourselves will change in the wake of this? we have been talking to some security efforts from stadiums to you name it, does this change the way we view? >> yes, we learn from each one of these things. i'm a veteran of several olympic games within the united states and in athens, greece, . i just moved back from brazil and of course they will tell you different. for so at the olympic beach volleyball venue, what they did was make a very long serpentine entrance to the venue with

fencing and guards at the beginning. with that does, it doesn't let the fans get so frustrated because you always seem to be moving if it doesn't allow a ag crowd to gather way at the front. it doesn't allow someone carrying a backpack to get that close to a venue. these are all things that mitigate -- it doesn't stop the attack but it mitigates the amount of damage that could possibly take place. unfortunately, most of our efforts are focused in ground. these people were coming out and it was kind of after an event like this and i think all special-effects -- for security and there's a collective sigh of relief when the concert is over and the event is over. but now this takes it to a new level that the attack was at the egress point of the people coming out. they have to examine the egress and whether you could do anyway that spreads people out that there's not a chokepoint where everybody is leaving at the same point. >> trace: you talk about

egress and ingress, if i could jump in the coming state egress and ingress and you're talking about fences and walls and those things are extraordinarily important. if intel still the number one defense mechanism against these types of groups? >> absolutely. that's why right now to make this is been going on for hours, the intel analysts and agents are going back and combing over all the chatters of the last days, weeks, and months ahead hinted at it attack like this would the initial chatter might've come in, my defense a found event with the information wasn't specific enough to tie it to a particular event or particular country. we just had you two over the weekend in los angeles. now they can review that data and know whether or not they were talking about this particular concert. now they are going to do that. we may look back and find a piece of intel that now can connect this they couldn't.

but certainly intel is always going to be it. >> trace: i appreciate your help. we very much appreciate it. we are out of time now. thank for your insight. we will have continuing coverage here at the attack at manchester arena. coming up, more on the attack and police say all five ports to terrorism. a suicide bomber but still no claim of responsibility. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia ♪ yeah, 'cause i got allstate.?

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>> trace: continuing coverage not affect deadly explosion after a ariana grande concert in manchester, england. joining us on the phone now, founder and president of an american islamic forum for democracy. he is also the author of a battle for the soul of islam, and american muslim patriots fight to save his face. thank you so much. on and on the fight goes, sir. speak up my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families. now sadly, we are >>speak up my thoughts and probably going to end up adding manchester to the list of cities that have been beset with the sport if you want and how we see our children, our families and anoint disfigured through the barbarism of this people.

obviously there is some speculation until we get details, but the suicide bombing, the use of the male form as we brussels in 2016, u.k. has seen more of the ice is flat and recently and reports on may 14 just a few weeks ago that they were calling upon their followers to hunt prey, which included a tracks that they were calling for leading up to the election. we are seeing that the parameters need to be whited at events as we saw on the report attacks and elsewhere. they will defy security attack whatever they can, no target is hard anymore. there is softer and softer targets. we just have to steal our resolve and realize that now is a time that in the next few days we will see the moves were mayor of london speak out forcefully and aggressively that the prime minister cameron was right when he called in units for the

idealism of islam. we've heard him take that back and see changes in them. >> trace: what is the aggressive tone? what would you like them to say? >> i would like them to connect the radical is a process to not want to just put on the suicide thoughts as being violent extremism. when the ideology in which he has most 500 if not more british muslims serve in isis and assyria, which almost has more than serving in the british army, that's a problem. if you have muslims that want to tie for radical caliphate in syria, what is doing that, what his route to mecca separating them out? why don't they want to die for britain? that process is not only a separatist movement but it is evil and a problem that not only -- that only those of us can solve. we need to address it early on

and from the time that they are used is told that west is not theirs, that british nationalism is not their nationalism. that's when you addressed it, not later when they are ready to put on the suicide belt to become a military target. it needs to be earlier on and is the ideology of islam, the separatist movement of belonging to a global islamic state, rather than belonging to the british state, the u.k., america, and they will do anything -- i tell you, from only a few names from ramadan and is much as ramadan is a time of atonement and coming to feast to make peace with oneself, we see spikes in terror attacks every time around this year and the reason is there is an unmistakable linkage between the theology of these radicals and their interpretations of islam. >> trace: thank you so much, sir. and for those of us just joining

us, tonight if you miss it, around 10:30 manchester time in england at the arena with the ariana grande concert just ending, there was a loud blast. they thought it was inside the arena. it turns out it was from outside the arena near the box office between the victoria station, the train station and that arena itself or the parents were standing outside to pick up their children. right now, we know that 19 people have been killed, at least 59 have been injured. those numbers are cleared to change. a continuing coverage right here on the fox news channel, i am trace gallagher with back at the breaking news desk in los angeles. good night. over 400 medications can cause a dry mouth. that's why there's biotene. biotene can provide soothing dry mouth relief. and it keeps your mouth refreshed too.

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>> death and tear and a packed arena in manchester, england, and once again please say it's the cool mark of terrorism. good evening, i am kelly wright. >> arthel: and explosion likely for divorce in a quirk of a suicide bomber rocked the concert hall where ariana grande i had just performed of the sounds of youthful excitement quickly turned to screams of horror. >> we ran down the stairs, and they started to head for the door before we got to the door, we pass things what we have seen. this in a bomb went off and then we had to rush to stops and as we we got told