waiting for the press conference out of manchester, already late tuesday evening in manchester, getting close to that time the concert started last night. >> julie: when that happens, we'll bring it to you. for now, we'll see you back here in an hour. to be 19 now. >> harris: we are awaiting the arrival of president trump and roam aboard air force one. he is expected minutes from now, his first visit to europe since taking office. we all feel it, the heartbreak over another act of terror. this time in great britain and this time, children at the center of it. the islamic state savages are claiming responsibility for killing at least 22 people at a concert packed with young girls and their parents. before leaving the middle east, our president condemned the slaughter of young innocence. >> so many young, beautiful, innocent people, living and enjoying their lives, murdered

by evil losers in life. i won't call them monsters because they would like that term. they would think that's a great name. i will call them from now on losers because that's what they are, their losers. >> harris: this is a "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, meghan mccain, fox news contributor and are public and strategist, lisa boothe and today's #oneluckyguy, judge andrew napolitano and he is outnumbered. >> andrew: i'm trying to laugh because this is a happy assignment, but the news is so bad, it's so awful. i was on with martha maccallum last night as is was breaking. it kills you to have to report this. >> harris: it hurts.

about half of those 22 who perished were under the age of 16. >> andrew: these losers as the president calls them, feel they can use children as pawns and instruments to terrify because they are so innocent, so beautiful and so helpless. it's obvious they were targeted. >> harris: let's begin. sheer panic and terror as a man reported they identified as a salman abedi detonated a bomb outside the ariana grande concert in manchester, england. she drew her usual young crowd, teenagers, tween's, many with their parents. when that bomb went off, they ran for their lives, jumping out of their seats, lifting each other over barriers, anything and everything to get to safety. parents -- billy trying to reunite with their children. one of the dead reportedly identified as an 8-year-old girl at the concert with her mom and sister. please at this hour say they have rated to residential areas and manchester and so far,

arrested one person. senior correspondent rick leventhal joins us right now. >> just to set the scene, manchester is a city about half a million people. as roughly 210 miles north and west of london. about the difference between washington and new york. manchester arena is not just the largest indoor concert venue in the u.k., as the largest across europe, holding some 21,000 people. it was a packed house here last night for that ariana grande concert. the description from witnesses was sheer chaos when they heard a loud bang and people sorted screaming and rushing and stampeding towards the exit ask where one of them is where the suicide bomber detonated an explosive device. that was packed with nuts, bolts, and possibly nails. the police have identified the

suspect through u.s. authorities. at the news conference a short time ago, british authorities spoke about how it happened. >> we have been treating this as a terrorist incident. we believe at this stage, the attack was conducted. the priority was to establish -- >> at least 59 injured and 22 died, including 18-year-old georgina bethany calendar, a student who is described as having a big smile, somebody who loved pop music and ariana grande. you mentioned the 8-year-old, who is mom and i'm told two sisters wounded by shrapnel. now among the victims recovering and aid different hospitals. witnesses swarmed the scene and sorted frantic parents searching for their loved ones. dozens of whom are now

recovering. >> it was just chaos, lots of chaos. and terrifying. >> i was really nervous about what was happening. as soon as i heard the bang, i decided to run, i didn't know what to do. >> they were just screaming. >> i saw a flash like an explosion flash. panicking, screaming, shouting. >> britain's queen elizabeth released a statement that says the whole nation has been shocked. i know i speak for everyone and expressing my deepest sympathy to all who have been affected by this dreadful event and especially to the families of those who have died or were injured. the british intelligence agency,

basically the british equivalent to the fbi is heavily involved and invest getting this case. we believe there is fbi from the u.s. on the ground in the u.k. as well. they are exceeding search warrants. there has been an arrest of one other person suspected of being connected somehow to this attack, a 23-year-old who was busted here in south manchester, very close to our location. the searches and investigations continue. >> harris: at this point, it's one of those questions though he may not be able to answer, but i hear from everybody. i have it coming for my own heart and that has to do with what's going on with finding anybody who might be connected to the man who blew himself up and killed so many people. they've made one arrest, what more can you tell us? >> we don't have a lot of information, but i can tell you that after the incident, and investigations have become very, very sophisticated. they are very good note that here as well as the u.s.

they have a lot of tools at their disposal to track down people who they believe were connected to this incident. they have, they believe the suicide bomber, they've identified him, then they go back. they traced back from him, his cell phone records, his computer records, any other possible leads are being chased down in every possible way because they want to know everyone this person spoke with an ad contact with over the last days and weeks and months and that could lead them to other people who helped him carry this out. >> sandra: as you are speaking, we were leaving that video we saw so many of those young girls running down the escalator, many parents standing at the bottom possibly waiting to see their children come down. they didn't flee because they were waiting for their kids. that being said, one government official did note the placement of the bomb, near the exit. pointing to premeditation and

sophistication of this attack. can you tell us anything more that you know about that and what we now know about this attack that does show that premeditation and sophisticatio sophistication? >> there's no question that it was timed to inflict maximum carnage and positioned in such a way as to hit the people who are leaving the concert. i think we can push in through this fence and the sign to show you some glass door that leads from victoria station which is one of two main transit hooks and manchester and is connected to manchester arena. i'm told by officers on the ground that the suspect, it's a public area that the suspected bomber managed to make his way into a public area, sort of an alleyway, hallway type of area between the train station and the concert hall so as people were coming out of the concert hall, many were probably heading for a train, that's where he blew himself up. >> harris: thank you very much, we appreciate it. this is a tough day.

we were talking before the show. the child element of this makes it tough, but all around, it is a headwind we are facing with the savages. >> andrew: i hate to say this, we have to ask this question, is this the new normal? are we going to be confronting things like this all the time and will he be deadened to the sting of it? >> harris: the answer is no. >> andrew: it keeps happening over and over again. i do want to sound callous, i'm not. i'm sympathetic and empathetic, but the fact that british law enforcement is able to go through cell phones and text messages now means they should have gone through cell phones and text messages earlier. they had all this information, they suffer from information overload. it's impossible for them to examine all the data we had.

san bernardino, orlando, even the boston marathon, we had all their text messages, we didn't know about it until those tragedies occurred. >> sandra: looking at the aftermath, but leading up to this attack, you have to look at where there warning signs or red flags? >> andrew: we now know that there were some tweets. twitter didn't take them down and they didn't send them to the fbi or the am i five. almost always, there are some warning signs. >> harris: i have to step in because the picture has changed on the screen. the president of the united states has now landed in rome. he will meet with pope francis and of course, as the white house has said, this is the only president in our history who has met in holy cities of three major faiths around the world. we saw him in israel, we know that he has met with leaders of the muslim faith, the jewish faith, and all the christian faith.

we want to point out, the president is on the ground in rome and as he comes off that plane, sometimes, president trump can be unpredictable. we can pop up that microphone and hear some wild audio with him grinning those members on the ground, members today which will be more than just diplomatic dignitaries. there will be clergy on the ground and as those moments happen, we'll bring them to your life. president trump in rome to meet the pope. >> andrew: this is leonardo da vinci international airport. >> sandra: they tie his arrival to rome to terror. that's how the president stood on his first foreign trip with taking a very firm stance on terror. then this event has happened last night at the ariana grande

concert. what do you expect to hear from the president in the wake of this? we've heard from him, but does this change things for him? >> andrew: it adds to the challenges that he confronts. the first two-thirds of this trip has had it raves and reviews on this side of the atlantic. he's been extremely presidential. this is almost like the speech he gave to congress a few months ago. you can be presidential when he wants. he's been nearly brilliant and riyadh and jerusalem. he now has the additional pressure of being a brilliant on the third leg, confronted by this tragedy and about to confront a pope with whom he has had a publicly chilly relations. >> harris: they can come together on the message. >> lisa: you mention, what do we know about this terrorist? it's increasingly difficult for law enforcement and intelligence communities across the world. secretary kelly said that the

fbi is open to investigation in all 50 states. there have been 37 isis linked plots to attack our country since 2013. in the past year alone, there have been 36 homegrown terror cases. as these threats increase, it's t. the president says that they are losers, but i would say they are cowards. they want us to fear them, but they blow themselves up around young girls, they tie people's hands behind their back, they put real soldiers in cages and light them on fire. they are cowards. that's what they are. >> andrew: they are trying to strike terror and then fear into the minds of the west so we will stop resisting them. for us, it stiffens our resistance. >> harris: as you look at the situation and where we are and

sandra alluded to this with the president's speech, this gives america a really up close look at how he is in those moments. it's a different message that he puts out. >> meghan: president obama said the greatest existential threat was climate change. if that's not a juxtaposition, i don't know what else is. i've had my issues of president trump, everyone knows that. it's days like today that i am so glad he is our president and no one on the left continues to be because i think isis has raged out of control because we have lead from behind for the past eight years. i watched the eagles of death metal documentary and you can't help but question at this point when i first heard the news yesterday, the sophistication level is changing. it's gone from using knives and box cutters and using cars now

to concert halls. ariana grande is for teenagers, hugely popular pop star right now. i think beyond that, terrorists want us to go outside and enjoy the most simplistic things in life like a concert and you have to wonder if we need to heighten up security at these concerts and venues. frankly, i don't know enough at this point about what kind of security they had there, but we had two incidents on the same caliber, but you have to start asking these kinds of questions. >> harris: there have been strong discussions about how this venue may not have had all the assets it needed to have this type of a concert. it's a couple of hours or maybe even farther than that than london, so perhaps this was considered the softest of soft

targets. >> andrew: is the most surveilled country of europe and manchester is a second-most surveilled city in great britain. obviously, london has more. it's almost inconceivable that a public venue right outside the concert venue, picture a place the size of madison square garden. it's inconceivable that there aren't cameras watching people as they go in and come out. >> harris: that's the sophistication. >> andrew: when they began to examine whatever device went off, the wearer didn't set it off. somebody else did. somebody else who knew where the wearer was and when enough young people were around him to set it off. that's the person, that's the network that british law enforcement has to find. >> sandra: i wonder is the president lands in rome, we know he's meeting with the pope tomorrow, what his message will

be, if he changes his message and if this gives him more room to toughen his stance on this war on terror. >> andrew: i think it does give him more room. the pope probably will agree with what he says. they are savages, losers, whatever language you have to manifest. >> meghan: pro francis -- president trump has taken a hard line, we are not accepting refugees into this country. pope francis has an entirely different view. the events of yesterday heighten this conversation even more, but i do think president trump has more clout at this point. people are more scared at this moment. when you're talking about surveillance and things like

that, if you watch the documentary which i really think everyone should, it brings things -- a different perspective when it comes to musical concerts. the lead singer said i don't think this would have happened had there been more people armed inside in my concert venue. this isn't just about surveillance, this is about keeping people safe and keeping guards armed and now it seems that concert venues, especially large ones will be targeted. >> andrew: there is no disarmed country and western europe more than great britain. >> lisa: we can also talk about protecting these different places and a better way which i agreed to. you can also look at nice, france, . >> harris: the london bridge. it wasn't that long ago when someone drove across and killed people. >> lisa: look at times square yet the other day. it wasn't a terror attack, but

ed shows what needs to be done. allowing our military leaders to do it they believe they need to do to go after isis or even tactical changes, but that broader problem we are facing here is this is an ideology. we can increase our efforts against isis, but if we kill every single member, that ideology lasts and there'll be another another group like them. >> harris: my dad the fighter pilot says it is a good idea if you kill all of them. i was in my office and i'm watching and he said something that hit me between the eyes and has to do that ideology and what we need to do moving forward. his idea was this. it's not enough now to say we are going to fight, we have to understand who we are fighting

so we can hit them in ways -- they are right now. they're able to hit us in ways that hit us at the heart. this is hurtful. >> sandra: we just got word that police in the u.k. are holding press briefing. >> police response across great manchester has been significant today as we help people to continue to go about their daily business and laid their lives here in greater manchester. part of this response has seen us arrest a 23-year-old man and connection with the attack and we have also carried out to warrants, . one did see us take an explosion to gain entry. that was something we were doing to gain safe access and nothing to be concerned about. we understand that feelings are very real right now and people are bound to be looking for

answers. however, more than ever, it is vital that we stand together and support each other as we will be doing at a vigil at 6:00 p.m. this evening. we will not tolerate hate towards any part of our community. i would urge people to report if they see something. this afternoon, we were visited by the home secretary, teresa may. a briefing was given about the investigation over today and the next few days. i can confirm that the man suspected of carrying out last night's atrocity is 22-year-old, salman abedi. he has not yet been formally named by the coroner and i would

not comment any further about him at this stage. our priority along with our security partners is to continue to establish whether he was acting alone or working as part of a wider network. thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. >> sandra: i was manchester police wrapping up a press briefing there and manchester, england, following last nights attack at that concert. we are told that the male, 22 years old, salman abedi, has been identified. they're waiting on the coroner's office to identify him. one has been arrested, a 23-year-old male. they are still looking for answers, a lot still unknown about that attack taking place at that concert venue in manchester last evening. we will be right back with more. back to the couch.

what we learned was that not that much more information, but we did learn more. he also heard the police chief talking about diverse communities and how that makes their community great, these communities need to stand together. what was he trying to say? >> andrew: he's trying to say that the job of the police and the obligation of the police is to protect everybody, not just people who looked british, but people who don't want british, even people who are immigrants. the message below that radar screen as help us and we'll help you. if you know of people in your communities that knew this guy, we want to talk to them. you should come to us, we are here for all of you. we will keep you safe as well as ourselves. >> harris: this is a lesson we are trying to learn in the minneapolis area where i last summer. there were upwards of ten people who wanted to join isis.

as you look at this, belgium has struggled mightily with how you roll out the red carpet to get information from people where those among them are willing to kill you based on ideology and they haven't figured it out yet. >> andrew: the lives of people are far more advanced toward knowing what's going on and who lives in the community and having an understanding. >> sandra: i pointed out how little we still know about this and the police chief confirming that they still don't know whether or not this man acted alone or within a network. >> andrew: they pick up all the pieces including cell phone, which they have that, it's a treasure trove everything else. everybody he has communicated with, every single one of those

human beings. >> harris: is it easier over there with the laws? in san bernardino, they would call the phone company and ask them how to crack the code. at one point, they already had the phones code. >> andrew: it's a little easier over there. the police have a little bit more leeway, but they still have to get a search warrant based on some belief in the criminality of the person who is the subject. >> sandra: they said they have arrested a 23-year-old man in connection with this attack and they have issued two more warrants. >> meghan: everybody is sick of this. i don't know how to put this in a better way. i think the fact that it is becoming normalized, i'm not going to say the new normal, but more normalized. we have to come together and realize, it is our way of life

for theirs. there have been a lot of people who want to be a little too politically correct. i think president trump has the right direction on this. globally, we all have to come together. the youngest victim yesterday was an 8-year-old girl. what kind of coward and monster it takes to target an 8-year-old child at a pop concert. the >> lisa: you mentioned difficult conversations. there are some of these difficult conversations that we have to have. you look at places where they've had these attacks. these are difficult, but important conversations we need to be having. >> harris: this is a situation that's interesting. this is actually air force one just landing right now in rome.

that was not our eyes playing a trick on us. there are identical plans. he's on this plane. >> sandra: the other 747 is a support plane. this is the one carrying. >> harris: am also surmising is how he figured out the plane had not quite landed yet. moments ago, they were taking a close up of the flag and the tail and i thought, they're

looking for something. now we know. we found the right plane. this is the president who on occasion will say something that we don't anticipate what that microphone on. we will make sure we are paying close attention. he may have something to say to the clergy members, the diplomats, the dignitaries on the ground. >> meghan: he's meeting with pope francis who he is feuded with at length during the election. i remember coming in monday and saying i never thought a presidential candidate was feuding with our pope. they have some similarities in the fact that they are unorthodox leaders. i don't know how to put it any differently on television. they view the world from drastically different lenses. pope francis took a vow of poverty. he thinks climate change is a huge deal.

obviously, president trump feuded with him. it will be interesting to see if they find any common ground. will he be making jokes about their feud? >> andrew: >> harris: he's righ. we expected him to sit down at 12:30 p.m. eastern time an end is now just about 12:30. >> andrew: greg burke, or fuller colleague is the chief spokesperson for the pope. i am certain he has been on the phone with whoever. >> harris: i was looking through my notes because i was looking for that language on the trail and i didn't remember this, but one of our producers pointed this out that on the trail, then candidate donald trump said that if isis

attacks the vatican, the pope would wish donald trump was president. that gives you some color and texture. >> meghan: and he talked about the wall because pope francis was highly political of the border wall. president trump said you have a wall that protects vatican city. >> lisa: one thing this trip highlights as well, if you guys remember during the campaign, president trump was someone hillary clinton told us couldn't be trusted with the nuclear codes. so far we've seen a commander in chief that has shown results against our enemies, whether it's syria, north korea, even on this trip, sending a message by going to saudi arabia first. the last time president obama was there, the king didn't meet him at the airport, yet we see american flags lining the street when he arrives. this says we are with you, but

also going to saudi arabia to israel, to countries that have no diplomatic relations as well. sending that strong message to our allies israel that we are with you as well. this is a president that they deserve some respect and kudos. >> sandra: weser this show 31 minutes ago and the president appears to have been tweeting while he was on the plane. thinking the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu for a wonderful and unforgettable visit. he said israel, saudi arabia, and the middle east are great. trying hard for peace. doing well, heading to the vatican and pulp. he finished with his last tweet, all civilized nations must join together to protect human life and the sacred right of our citizens to live in safety and in peace. >> harris: president trump has now arrived in rome and he continues his first overseas trip as president. meanwhile, we are learning more about last night's deadly terror

attack at the ariana grande concert in the u.k. 22 people dead, dozens hurt, many of them children. isis is claiming responsibility for the carnage. so far, intelligence sources have not corroborated that. catherine herridge is live with us with the latest details on that. based on the police news conference that they were having trouble identifying the bomber who they just named, what's going on with that? >> this is another piece of evidence that tells us that the impact of this explosion was a significant magnitude and it goes to the issue of premeditation. that's what i'm hearing consistently. that kind of premeditation meant that the bomb was planted in the arena of an enclosed space. when the bomb goes off, it has a concussive effect. that's a way of saying and amplifies the impact of the explosive as well as the

shrapnel to create maximum fatalities and casualties. in this particular case, they got a name, i believe it's on the closed circuit video identifying the individual. the bomber was almost a vaporized. >> harris: catherine, there is an inconsistency in the statement that isis put out. many of them actually. what does that tell us? >> there all these translations. i have one that was provided by by -- in this statement, it talks about a culture planting devices, so planting multiple.

that suggests that the intention was to leave the scene, but that is not what happened. they have not jumped to the conclusion or confirmed that it was a suicide attack. they believe the suspect was killed, but they are not true that was the true intention. that will all be told in the next hour. >> harris: catherine herridge, thank you very much. now to the left of your screen, it looks like we are close. they put down the stairs. that is air force one. now the support plane that sat down 50 minutes ago. president trump is going to come downstairs there and meet with the people on the tarmac. you are very active in the archdiocese. you must have thought about how i meeting between the president

and the pope can happen when they haven't really exchanged niceties. >> andrew: this is different because this is the president of the united states going to italy. my guess is he's going to be met by italian officials, not vatican officials. he doesn't get to the vatican until tomorrow. megan pointed out so wonderfully and eloquently about the clash between these two, the pope and the president and how we can see a commonality, we expect to see a commonality among them. the pope the other day was aske asked, do you play into the criticism? i give him credit for this, he said i'm not going to criticize anybody until i interact with

them and meet with them. the >> harris: he hasn't mentioned president trump by name. >> andrew: the pope believes in open borders for our people in the united states who believe in that, that is not the policy of the president of the united states, it's not the policy of a congress that is currently made up. it is not likely to come to policy in the near future. i think he wants to ask the president to be compassionate. in the second executive order, one that is now being scrutinized, there is room for the secretary of homeland security to make exceptions to all of the above for compassionate reasons.

>> harris: why is that important? >> andrew: it shows a part of donald trump's heart. it also makes it easier for the courts to ratify it because it shows a little bit of an opportunity. the point we all make -- the statements were incendiary. it was unusual, but not unheard of for the courts to apply. >> harris: president trump in the first lady coming down the stairs to the tarmac in rome. as the judge has pointed out, he will be greeted more than likely with remembrance of the italian dignitaries and diplomacy teams then you will see anyone from the vatican because that trip does happen tomorrow. we'll be watching. i'm going to lower my voice and asked our team, are we able to

hear anything? not yet. as soon as that happens, we will certainly let you hear the audio on this. you do see some members of the clergy there. >> andrew: i do see a cardinal whom i do not recognize. we see a slew of laypeople, italian government officials and one representative of the vatican with whom the president is now shaking hands. >> harris: also today, what you can anticipate, somewhat more of a photo op. this is the third but the white house has pointed out, meeting with leaders of jewish faith, meeting with leaders, with palestinian leaders, but being in those holy cities. there are going to be plenty of differences that president trump has with many leaders, whether

it's religious leaders or leaders across this world. the important thing is, we all share some of the same threats against extremism and last nigh night, that is put into a nutshell. standing next to prime minister netanyahu. we all share many of the same threats together. >> sandra: i was reminding myself of something the pope said to journalists, referencing the differences they had well donald trump was then campaigning and very candid comments. he said he would not make judgments on trump before listening to him first. that's really important to remind everyone of that.

>> meghan: this pope is not without his controversies. there are many people who feel that it is not the catholicism of they grew up with. he's very progressive in a lot of different ways. he's been very public about it, tweeted about it. neither men are without their controversy which should be put into place. >> andrew: he was not introduced as the holy father, he was introduced as the pope of the holy faith. he spoke as a leader, the

president is not surprising. >> harris: he gave a wave on the tarmac. i was looking through some of the notes. the papal security last night in anticipation of what's coming tomorrow with the president's visit, it's not a surprise based on what's happened around the world. you know from these types of visits that kind of energy that is exhibited to make sure that every detail and every protocol is matched and goes smoothly. politically, how does it play if they are nice? >> andrew: it does work.

as long as it is a sincere niceness. i have a friend who is one of the senior art historians of the vatican. she said i can't answer your emails until the president leaves. you have no idea what pressure we are under. he wants to take tour of the art galleries and i have to give the tour. i did not see her there in the entourage. she i would recognize. >> lisa: what your hope for this meeting? >> andrew: that people will forget the animosity.

whoever you think was the cause of it, i think they are both meeting with an effort to turn the page. knowing at least the people around the pope, that is a genuine view of that site as well. >> harris: you didn't use the word ostracized, but how they are at odds with the politics of the catholic faith and how that plays. how does president trump follow matt? >> andrew: i hope that does not come up with the president. i can't imagine that they will bring this issue up. the president is twice divorced and that has to do with the classic teaching on divorce and with their divorced couples can receive the blessed sacrament at mass.

this is not something they will talk about. i can't imagine that they will find common interest on common problems. >> harris: the president has pulled out of that picture and we will step away now from rome and return to the other big story of the day. we are learning more details about their horrific terror attack in manchester, england. the armed services committee is wrapping up a hearing on worldwide threats. one topic there the risk of potential attacks on the united states. here is dan coats from earlier. >> this threat is real, it's not going away and it needs significant attention. we need to do everything we can to protect our people from these

kinds of attacks. we assess that isis maintains the intent and capability to direct, enable, assist, transnational attacks. this threat persists with little or no warning. >> harris: as we return to terror, your thoughts? >> andrew: very sobering, there's not anything new there, but we need to hear that. we need to be mindful of the fact that the tragedy that we witnessed last night is not necessarily by any means confined to the other side of the ocean. >> sandra: i don't think anybody assumes that right now. everybody is terrified in the wake of this attack. they worry it could be here next. >> andrew: when that awful thing happened a block from here, a crazy person on some sort of drug, what is our initial thought? >> harris: and didn't have to be terror to show our enemies

our vulnerability. >> lisa: the threat is here. as i mentioned earlier in the show, just the statements from his homeland security, open investigations in all 50 states. there have been at least 37 isis plots to attack the country since 2013. there have been cases in different states. the threat is here. it's important that this administration is vigilant. >> meghan: my biggest frustration, i know we don't see this exactly through the same lens, but what will silicon valley continue to play in helping us fight terror? you said there were tweets of this attacker had put out that could have been warning signs. i know we see this through different ways, but there are the billionaires who have made their money in the united states

of america, helping to protect the freedoms that we all love so much. when things like this happen, i want to know from the ceo of twitter, what would you have done differently? >> andrew: it is not an onus on silicon valley. it's too much for them to analyze. it is unbelievable for us to know no that there was a warning about this a few hours before it happened and nobody caught it. >> harris: i know we don't say negative things when the president is off the soil about him, but that doesn't include anybody from being negative about the lawmakers at home. is this an opportunity for republicans to stand and say who is with them on the issue of a tougher stance on terror?

who is -- they sit down and get to the nitty-gritty. >> meghan: is not having four random conservatives come meet for an hour. they had conservatives come because they were trying to suppress. it goes so far beyond that. i do find in my conversations with people who defendant silicon valley, we are going to come to a point when parents are utilizing social media. at what point are we going to get together with silicon valle silicon valley? >> harris: the attack in manchester is now reviewing the debate over the travel ban. we've been talking about a little bit here. could the band prevent will be just a and great britain?

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after manchester, there is no reason not to door at the executive order. does anyone want to argue that we shouldn't have an executive order? does anyone want to argue, i'd like to take on that argument? i'm starting with you. i wasn't the biggest fan of the travel ban for reasons. the problem isn't just about people in the country, it's about these lone wolves were being radicalized here as well. >> andrew: to me, the problem is the judiciary stepping on the toes of the branch were authority is given to the president and congress has said it you may do this, you may impose travel bands based on

geography. people have said is not based on geography, it's based on religion. they support that conclusion. can they do that? yes, they can do that. it's a just favorite way to examine the statute. to look at it from how the person stood by it in office, but it means that if barack obama had signed the same order, the courts will find a constitutional. >> meghan: do you think there is more enthusiasm or support for the travel ban? >> andrew: i don't think this will change the minds. >> lisa: a lot of those concerns were addressed and rectified and a much more organized manner, but this has

been sensationalized. we are literally talking about a very brief span of time where there is a pause from countries who were identified as places that needed travel restrictions. according to the muslim question, the top three muslim population countries aren't included in this ban. i think this has been way over sensationalized. >> andrew: i think this will have a profound effect in europe, particularly great britain where they are in the midst of an election for the new prime minister. teresa may, shockingly close to her adversary. which way this goes --

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about, it is a gift to be here. >> we love hearing you. >> in and out of italian while the president landed in rome was impressive. >> great to have you as well, we will be back tomorrow at noon eastern, thank you for joining us, "happening now" starts now. >> leland: fox news alert as we are learning a lot more in just these hours about the deadliest terror attack to hit britain and more than a decade. and also more on the reaction from president trump in his administration, the president just touching down in rome, busy second hour of "happening now," busy first as well. i am we went with alert and for jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas in for jenna scott this afternoon. president trump for the third leg of his overseas trip following saudi arabia and israel. ice is scamming responsibility for an attack that killed at least 22 killed at least 22 people and injured dozens more as the fans screamed out of an area out of areata grande concert