that's it for us tonight. we would back here at 8:00 tomorrow night on the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. "the five" it's next. we will see you tomorrow. >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino. along with kimberly guilfoyle, greg gutfeld, jesse watters and juan williams. this is "the five." we began out of manchester, england. last night a suicide bomber detonated himself and killed 22, injuring over 50 during an ariana grande concert. >> so many young, beautiful innocent people living and enjoying their lives, murdered by evil losers in life. i won't call the monsters

because they would like that term. they would think that's a great name. i will call them from now on "losers." because that's what they are. they are losers. >> dana: british prime minister theresa may warned there could soon be more attacks to come in the united kingdom. >> the threat level should be increased by the time being. from severe to critical. this means that the assessment is not only highly likely for an attacked but there is a further attack maybe in the near future. >> dana: joining us is benjamin hall. benjamin, that was a stern and scary warning prime minister. >> dana, absolutely. the u.k. has raised its terror level. it believes an attack could be

eminent. and that there will be military. soldiers on the streets tomorrow. they're not sure if the attacker acted alone or if you as part of a bigger network. it all began last night at 10:30 p.m. at the arena, which i'm standing in front of at the moment. this suicide attacker waited for the concert to end, waited for the young people to leave before blowing himself up around them. it wasn't just the nails, the bolts and shrapnel, it was the cross. the youngest victim was just eight years old. her name was saffie rose rousso roussos. eight years old, the bomber has also now been named as salman abedi. he was of libyan descent, born in manchester but the son of refugees. forensic teams searched around the city and also arrested a

23-year-old man. still unclear about what connection has but salman abedi had come back from libya very recently. ices have a course claimed responsibility. there's some confusion. something he was inspired by isis, others say he was directed by them. that was a very clear distinction. this bomb was far more powerful and planned as others have been before. that's very worrying. the u.k. government concerned that another attack may be eminent. horrible tragedy here. 22 dead. at 12 under the age of 16 and the u.k. gearing up for a possible other attack. >> dana: i appreciate your reporting. kimberly, apparently solomon apathy was known to authorities. and was not considered a high priority threat.

any insight on that? >> kimberly: at least they are doing their job and identifying people but they didn't capitalize him in the proper way. they thought okay we have other people who we considered to be worse actors in the area or region and somehow they missed this. in terms of what their threat level assessment was, how that would prioritize it. that's troubling because when you hear that and especially if you are parents who lost a child here or child who lost a parent, and you find out they had this person knew who he was and yet they didn't focus and prioritiz prioritize. >> dana: and he had traveled. >> kimberly: that's one of the key things they have looked for. who he was in communication wit with. the terror web of connections. if someone wasn't direct communication with him. they valeri already been doinge

investigating. >> dana: one deepak juan, evils the president called him -- when you target children, the response might be even more fierce than they have in the past. thing we have to take the fight more to the enemy and some more specific way. >> juan: i am not sure how you take the fight to the enemy more effectively. the question is, he and several others have gone back to jihad. i don't know why he went back to libya but then they come back home. do they gain training when they go away and come back home? it's even more pronounced in france and germany. when we talk about soft targets, it just has the impact -- on me,

making me more fearful for what was happening. you go to the ball game or the theater. we know about what has happened in movie theaters in this country. you think about the concerts -- there is one in france not so long ago. these kinds of soft targets with young people, who are enjoying life -- with so much to look forward to. who are so loved by parents. you have to protect them. you can't give into the fear but you have to be expected in terms of taking steps. i don't know what you can do because i am told that this fellow -- footprints in terms of online activity, i think even as you shrink the overseas footprint and people go back home, in essence they start to metastasize and become a cancer. >> dana: congressman mccall

was on fox earlier. take a look at his response. >> is this a foreign fighter, come back to europe to make terrorist attacks or is it the other individual, radicalized over the internet and been told from syria, to conduct attacks? either way, it achieves the same result. >> dana: it achieves the same result. >> jesse: at least he is not calling him a lone wolf. if someone is a u.k. citizen, and goes to a place like libya, iraq, syria and then comes back -- maybe put them on some sort of probation. keep a little more tabs on them. offer rewards for tips. in manchester. to rat out that guy if they think there is something wrong going on.

some of these radical clerics get to spew hate speech over there. maybe they need to do something about the laws over there. maybe more surveillance. get some more spies or undercover agents. there's been a lot of bloodshed in europe over the last couple years. i haven't seen a big speech or a new coalition. i haven't seen a big military push anywhere. i remember after 9/11, bush -- he water boarded people. enhanced surveillance. nothing like that at least from my understanding had been done in europe. you get to the point where it you think, how much death will europe tolerate? >> dana: the bombing was just outside the exits. there was talk today that how can you extend the perimeter even further? you can't continue to extend the perimeter all the weight up to our front doors.

>> greg: in a way, we can. the way we do that is we combine computed community policing and awareness. we are just relying on authorities who just know this suspect. we have become part of a civil defense. we are all handcuffed by the fear of being called a bigot. if you are on a bus and think something weird is going on, you go through this equation like if i say and do something and i am wrong, i am a bigot. everybody instead because their little hashtag and say in classrooms right now, we devote so much time to the gospel of diversity but we have not taught anybody about how to deal with a death toll. it would be far more valuable if he sat young people down and told them about this bias. the virus. we hear the same story about

this type of guy over and over again. involved in this toxic doctrine who seems unassuming. and then it just happens. totally healthy until he has rabies, a mental rabies, and kills. we have to go to the source. go to young people. declare it as a public health concern. this is something that infects everybody. you have to look at security as an industry that one should major in in college. it should be like electrical engineering. you can have electrical engineering without security. it should be as big as any kind of industry. whether it's entertainment or academia or media. security should be something you want to get into in that you want to be trained and create. it should be a trillion dollar industry of people who want to fight the biggest fight of their lives. we devote too much time denying this fact. we are dealing with a religion that may be provided to believe

you either join us or you die. the reason why they picked kids is because they want you to join the fight so we should indulge them. >> kimberly: dana, when you set about extending the perimeter -- this is the ultimate soft target. you have children, parents coming to pick them up, it's so horrifying. it defies any sense of humanity. the fact of the matter is, when they put it in that small area versus a large arena, it gives more power to the blast because of the concussive impact of the bomb. which makes it even deadlier. in terms of the level of sophistication, he didn't make that at home on the internet. it was far more sophisticated. that is the question. how did it come to be? who gave him that? is it somebody who traveled. all the warning signs and bells were there. how do you not miss this.

it happened in england. the u.k. come on. >> greg: the reason why it happened is because every time it happens, people express horror and then they move on. on the trump -- president trump calling them evil losers in life. you have to destroy the myth that these guys are winners and warriors. in fact, they are unlikable outcasts in their own society. language is the place to do tha that. they are not martyrs. you are an evil loser. >> jesse: remember the lion's head and cricket hillary? >> dana: we have more to discussag on this. you're going to want to hear more, sopred statement. pre-owned sales event,

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>> greg: after every terror attack, a producer will email me and tell me to do a monologue on why we must fight evil. let's ponder the barriers to combating terror. consider islam a phobia. an accusation meant to smear those who dare to mention the cause of terror. media and academia use as a way of not judging email.

you evil. america is just as bad, we have a bad past. even though we aren't bad now. the goal to remove our moral authority to act. when there is an attack it, you see the timid masses say if only we were less bigoted, this wouldn't happen and then the young people tweet hashtag peace, love conquers. but it doesn't. the hyper tolerant are pleading to the terrorists, i'm not the one you want. it's those guys. at the theme will always kill you too. relativism and is cowardly all tolerance create dead ducks. don't listen. we must reclaim our moral authority. we need to instruct others to do the same. enough vigils, we need vigilance. and a willingness to act. that requires training of both body and mind. what prevented terror on that train in paris in 2015?

three men trained in body and mind. you become a hard target and others might follow. let's once and for all dump this false war between freedom and security. security preserves freedom which is why as a speak right now, well trained law enforcement surround the building. why should i have that luxury and not you? dana, that false conflict, security, sacrificing freedom -- it drives me crazy because it's not true. it impedes our need to survey all and to actually make our country as free as possible. >> dana: remember you had me listen to the podcast, one of the things he said was a moving line. of course you want to protect the privacy of citizens. then 9/11 happened. how do we prevent that? where are the tools available?

maybe as an american public we say it should move a little bit this way, we need more. you get these homegrown bombers. i don't think they are lone wolves. they are all interconnected somehow on the internet. then they have the capacity to raise money. i know we are degrading isis's abilities but then you have a bigger problem, a generational war. a war of ideas. our ideas have to be a better. ideas our ideas can't be -- i tt trump was very realistic. he said they are evil losers. make no mistake, they are losers. we will have more of them. we have to understand he is very clear eyed about the threat. he is the leader of the free world. i hope at the summit next week

he will be able to rally them to make them do war. >> greg: we raise awareness for childhood obesity, global warming but we never raise awareness for jihad is on. >> kimberly: because then you are the bad guy, who has a lot of psychological problems. racist, bigoted or something. i agree with you. dana. the president he said he would drive them out. evil losers. words do matter and his language and focus on the has been laser pinpointed. which is really important. the world is listening. he's in the middle east, israel, now grown, he speaking from around the world that connects all of us. everybody should be united on this front. what are we dealing with?

it's a clear and present danger. to call them exactly what you think they are. to wipe them out and annihilate them. if that should be the goal. don't apologize for that. you want to apologize for keeping women and children and families safe and safe from jihad? they sell partners in this in terms of eradicating jihad. >> greg: jesse, do you realize the accusation of islamophobia will be thrown at you before you say anything critical? if you are critical of radical islam, there will be factions who will say you are the root of the problem. >> jesse: this has nothing to do with islamophobia. the victims were english girls. okay? the person who perpetrated it was islamic. i also heard somebody on msnbc

say that we have to get used to terrorist attacks like this. no, we don't. try telling that to the mom of the 8-year-old. also you have katy perry was asked what her reaction was, how do we address terror? she said we address terror with love and open borders. now is not the time to listen to this. we need clarity. vision. workplace violence, they talked about gun violence. the jay-z team. not even excluding radical islam. we have a president now who really pinpoints the evil for what it is. >> juan: i would call it simple minded thinking. this is a totally different situation and everyone here is just like oh, we need tough language. president trump was over there in saudi arabia, i didn't hear

him talking about radical islamic jihad like the right was pushing on president obama. realizing the circumstance today, talking about these folks as juvenile losers. i think that's redefining our concept of what is taking place. we have to go back, president bush invaded in response to 9/11. president obama and company says we want to make it clear we are pulling troops back. we are going to deal with this differently. we will talk about the ideology. both president bush and obama said not a war against the islamic world. >> jesse: we came back from iraq and then isis took over. that war was won. >> juan: that's not true. what we are dealing with at the moment -- we have had a changing circumstance in syria.

this open warfare. in libya, this young man is linked to libya. we have had a changing circumstance even in places like turkey and afghanistan. >> greg: can i interrupt you? i had a question about the topic, which is -- our response to an immediate terror attack and why is it that we are incapable of dealing with it? >> juan: it's tougher today, greg. >> greg: the last four decades have been subverted by the relative wisdom of modern liberalism. our society is always the root of the problem. that's why when you go on twitter and listen to the left, it's always no, don't jump to conclusions. peace and love. that's the problem. >> juan: don't jump to conclusions is smart. what you want to do is identify your real opponent and stop -- >> greg: if it's a hate crime, obviously it's real.

we are incapable of calling this what it is. we can't fight it because of the modern left, handcuffing people with this liberal guilt. we cannot call it what it is. >> juan: i'm think you might enjoy calling it liberal guilt. i've been victimized by it myself. i don't think that is what stopping this guy in britain. britain would be delighted -- >> jesse: the neighbor didn't rat the guy out across the street because he was afraid of being called a bigot. >> greg: what about the belgian police? you can't read because of a curfew. >> juan: i think when you have destructive, indiscriminate

violence, it's hard to stop. >> kimberly: they are not hard enough. >> juan: i don't want to give up my rights. >> dana: that's what i was just saying. never mind. >> greg: what does the manchester terror attack mean for our state in the usa? more analysis, when we come bac back. our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia ♪

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perfect placement designed to maximize and casualties. a possible support network and whether the attack was inspired by, enabled or directed by a foreign terrorist organization. agents speak of the threat is r. it's not going away. it needs significant attention to do everything we can to protect our people from these kinds of attacks. we expect isis to continue to be a threat to americans against a wide range of targets around the world. >> investigators are building a picture of the suspect, his travel as well is who he communicated with. a forensic review of the device is underway. the shrapnel is considered vita

vital. the 22-year-old suspect was known to british authorities but u.s. government official said a preliminary review through terror databases in this country suggested he was not known to us. both countries struggled to track terror suspects returning from iraq and syria. >> kimberly: thank you so much for that. dana, we discussed previously in the program she didn't have a lot of a social media imprint. somebody obviously has been planning this. premeditation, it shows how much damage one person can do. >> dana: it's interesting about the one person. i don't know if you have this video but you can play it while i am talking. the british police today decided they are going to enter the home. if you look at that video. there's about 35 police officers

that go to do that. the amount of resources that we spend trying to track down one person, we are a little bit outmanned. what greg was talking about is given changed -- we have to use either technology or some way to include community policing and more intelligence. we will get to those very difficult privacy issues that people in the u.k. and america like to enjoy. the number of people that have to work to try to stop one person is astronomical. >> kimberly: they need to deputize everybody. see something, say something. care about your community. >> greg: getting involved. this is a secret disease that doesn't become self-evident until it's almost too late. one of the things i think -- we've got to change the way we look at it.

this is not 1942 or 1962. you have a radical movement that has an apocalyptic goal. you have technology married to terror and the more you kill, the quicker you get to heaven. it requires an adult sized view of security and surveillance. you can't throw that benjamin franklin quote at me. purchase safety, if you give up liberty. it means you deserve me there. no, he was talking about literally purchasing safety for defense. that's a stupid idea. we need security and freedom together. >> jesse: most popular baby name in london right now is mohammed. this guy is a british citizen but son of libyan refugees. if i was living in libya under qaddafi, a i would try to leave

too. if america is a melting pot, we can try to control the ingredients we bring in. tomatoes, potatoes, sage, and then you see someone coming in, knocking on the pot and you say it doesn't smell right. it's from a risky region. let's not throw it in the mix and ruin the whole thing. >> greg: i will take the wind. i have very low standards. >> kimberly: one, save us. >> juan: i don't know what to save you about. i will say this, i think what dan coats said today was so important. we can minimize it but here's why it's not going away. homegrown terror, people who are citizens -- here in the united states as we have seen, san bernardino, i could go on. that is the threat right now.

especially with the internet as an entree, a portal for spreading this kind of crazy disease and training. the question is, how do you respond? that is the challenge today. you stop people from coming in? i don't know if that would necessarily -- >> greg: you just did what i said you were going to do. you introduced relativism. he said because we have a history of discrimination -- that's in our past. it makes us harder to do with this modern threat. no. we are a new country. >> juan: you are wrong. >> greg: it's in the past. oh, yes. people have the freedom for education, jobs, when you throw that out there, it prevents people from making the gutsy move and saying it's time to act. you can't say oh, we have a history of discrimination. >> juan: we have a real history especially when it comes to muslims and this is at stake right now in our courts.

where president trump has proposed -- >> greg: you are playing into the islamophobia. >> juan: you are playing a dangerous game. >> greg: why it, because talking tough? we were told that we called a spade a spade. radical islam. all the muslims would hate us. no, trump shows up there and they are all happy. >> juan: radical islamic terrorists -- >> kimberly: and he said drive them out. >> juan: he didn't use that language. guess what? he didn't talk about banning all muslims from coming into the country. >> kimberly: that wasn't the intention to begin with. it was to make sure we properly affect people coming from high-intensity areas and region regions. >> juan: if that's the case,

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with our lives. which is what everyone says you are supposed to do. we ended up with 9/11. i get the importance of the russian story. there should be an investigation. but lord, the russians are not mutilating young girls with nail bombs. all right? we can deal with this collusion -- i am sure the russians tried to influence the election. i don't know if there's collusion. look into it. these people are trying to end the world. >> jesse: some of the competition talked about trump last night. blood in the streets after a nasty terrorist attack. >> kimberly: well, we were chosen. they are watching fox news for coverage of breaking news. it was important to cover. there you go. the people made a smart choice. otherwise you can continue the story on collusion, collusion. where is that in the criminal penal code?

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but it also reacts the prior tories this administration. which is very problematic. >> this is a killer for the american people. a literal killer. >> juan: gregory, the most interesting aspect of this is mick mulvaney says taxpayer first budget. what do you think? >> greg: i'm not sure if it's cuts or the rates of this growth being reduced. it still goes up. look at the positives. job paint wow training. apprenticeships. reforms that encourage work. the room reforms to the food stamp program. what this is doing is it's actually raising the question about the war on poverty programs and the effects that they've had. rachel racial gaps. illegitimacy rates. what these poverty programs didn't even exist?

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