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we ran for our lives. >> trace: but it was not a balloon, investigators now say they know who the killer was, but was he acting alone or was he supported by a terror network. if he is part of a larger cell, could they be planning a bigger attack? these are troubling questions that have now forced the u.k. to raise the terrorism threat level to critical, that is the highest level, meaning another attack might be imminent. meantime here in the u.s., we are just three days away from a memorial day weekend, the unofficial start of summer. for many is filled with concerts, and gatherings. last night attack has many wondering about our security networks here at home and whether we should rethink the way we secure our stadium and arenas and our nightclubs. also, this our president trump's

marathon trip abroad takes it to rome for a meeting with pope francis. it wasn't too long ago the pope criticized trump's plan to build a wall, and a trap called the pope's comments disgraceful. but now trump says it is an honor to meet pope francis. we will go back to the vatican for the very latest. but first, england is a nation in greece as people there and around the world try to make sense of a brutal attack that l, many of them children attendingn ariana grande in manchester. they must grapple with the possibility that another attack may be imminent. let's get live not to benjamin hall, he is in manchester in the early morning. can you describe the moon in connect -- the moon in that city? >> this really came out of nowhere when it happened a couple of nights ago. the city itself try to come together and grasp exactly what happened. the big news is you mentioned earlier has raised a terror level to critical.

what that means is the police, intelligence services believe and attack could well be imminent, that also means that tomorrow, today we affect to be 5,000 soldiers on the streets of london. they do not know enough about the attack himself. whether or not he acted alone or whether he was part of a larger network. we know a little bit about him so far. this is a man who on monday and it blew up a suicide device while people were leaving the concert of ariana grande aimed at killing and inflicting as much damage as possible among young children, the kids of the others just eight years old. 12 and 22 were killed. what we know about him so far is his name, salman abedi. he was born in manchester but he was from -- his parents were refugees. he had recently returned from a trip to libya. that is the site of a story to see if perhaps there was an angle there.

today around the city they have been carried out rating houses and carry out one controlled explosion. they also arrested 1 of 33-year-old man. the investigation is moving forward. at this point, the prime minister came out and said she could not be certain that their work to stop another attack. england very much on the moment, very much being -- we are coming into a time of conflict this summer. very much attempt to be concerned at the moment. no one is saying anything at the moment. 22 people killed. many of them young, and frankly the city, reeling from what happened from yesterday. terror stricken at the very heart. there been an outpouring of grief, not only from the people in the u.k., the royal family, politicians from around the world, and of course we remember the speech that president trump gave in saudi arabia recently. he told about stamping out the ideology that was we had attacks like this.

people have been saying the same thing here. it's always connected and more needs to be done globally. to prevent this sort of thing. trace. >> trace: benjamin hall left for us in manchester, thank you. the manchester terror attack is highlighting the threats to so-called soft targets. experts know that security is typically relaxed after an event, but the manchester attack may change that. what this now as north carolina g.o.p. congressman, he is the chair of the congressional task force on terrorism and unconventional warfare. thank you for joining us. i know that you have been briefed in recent months by the nsa and the cia and the fbi. it's a way to kind of convey to congress and the public exactly what threats we are facing. how does the attack in manchester change that threat? >> trace, it's another somber reality. the diabolical adversary we face in the world today.

we must be very clear and understanding, as our president, thank god for our president, he gets it. he understands the threat of islamic terrorism who had the courage and the foresight to go to saudi arabia to assemble with assistance 50 nations to call in for a challenge to address this tremendous adversary. he will unite the world, i believe, as never before in addressing our ability to work together and use all of our capacities to defeat isis. >> trace: you talk about the president's trip to the middle east and congressman i know in recent years we have also been to the middle east talking to leaders there, and i am wondering -- we talk about the homeland being affected by these terrorist attacks in europe and in the united states, but it all kind of leads back to the middle east. i'm wondering if you get a sense that are we on the same page as the leaders in the middle east when it comes to fighting isis?

or are we taking different avenues towards this? >> time and again, for example, the crown prince and the uae said we need to be working with the united states to's defeat islamic terrorism. the world has changed. they understand that we must work together. the sunni arab world, the gulf states, the united states, and israel. we will see more of that occurring today. i think mack -- i've had countless meetings with the president of egypt, resident lcc, a remarkable statesman. he speaks out boldly against islamic terrorism. we have given support to him in the past. to president obama's administration. not even spare parts for helicopters. and yet he has been fighting that war and the cyanide and coming in from libya as well, the muslim brotherhood.

i think you are going to see great unity and commitment and a clear mission. there's going to be a moral clarity and what needs to be done to defeat this adversary. >> trace: right below you congressman, if you don't see it, we have it says britain on high alert. it's the highest alert critical and the british intelligence officials, ,, i know you have contacts over there with them, they are pretty good at their jobs over there. we had talked about last night help in the morning when this was coming about and they were investigating this, they knew he was on the radar. that he didn't anything to warrant any further investigation, but they were kind of aware of him and it seems to be a pattern of what is going on across europe and the united states for that matter. >> takes a lot of intelligence effort and work and probably thousands of people who are tracking right now. we have far more than that and the united states and we are tracking. we have certain tools that are very important to us.

they have good intelligence and good collaboration. a lot of this understanding, still in the public today, it is important to how it's being used and a very limited access by our government, certain potatoes phone numbers for example. we are listening to the phone calls. on the contrary, there's only 23 people and our government to have access to do that and they have to get approval from a fisa court. we have to know that there is a bad guy out there, a terrorist, who is making contact with someone here or making contact with somebody in the u.k. we need to be able to track that phone call. good information is critical. also tracking the money. i spent a lot of my efforts working with countries throughout the world in tracking financing. we will host our eighth form in latvia in june where we will assemble some 30 to 40 countries and will be over 100 members of

parliament will be there in time and again this news related to counterterrorism of financing and cybersecurity efforts and intelligence sharing. the experts come in from all over the world to share the tools that we have and we can cooperate and work together. we must be able to defund our capabilities. we must be able to have good data to track what they are doing. >> trace: data is important and intelligence is also important. congressman, we have to secure the venues themselves around this country from all the way to orlando and san bernardino and types of things. thank you so much. >> good to be with you. >> trace: coverage continues with a fox news alert as we continue to monitor the tragic events in manchester. we are also giving a very close eye on it another major story. donald trump's visit to rome. it's the third destination on his maiden voyage abroad.

in a short time from now, he is set to meet pope francis at the vatican. let's get right to kitty logan. she's in our london newsroom. >> first of all, president trump is spending the night in rome, ahead of that meeting with the pope. he was in italy earlier in the day from israel. he was greeted there by the italian foreign minister and then driven to the rome residents of the u.s. ambassado ambassador. early this morning and tomorrow morning he will meet pope francis at the vatican. a very significant meeting with extra security measures already in place. the head of that crucial meeting is a first time the two have met so i have a tendency to have disagreed in the past on several issues such as immigration, climate change, and the border ball with mexico. it is not thought that they have any specific items on the agenda, but president trump will be briefing with the italian

leaders before moving on. it's his third stop on this foreign trip and it comes after his trip to saudi arabia and israel. >> trace: they have had some tension in the past but the president now says it will be an honor to meet the pope. what follows the italy visit? >> it right after visit with the pope and the italian leaders, president trump will head off later in the day to brussels. there he will be talking to e.u. and nato. he's also due to meet with members of the belgian royal family. president trump returns to italy on thursday and then will be attending a g-7 summit with some of the same leaders. >> trace: kitty logan my for us in london. we should know that we will have a live report on the trump visit to the vatican coming up moments from now. thank you. the focus of the manchester investigation is coming up.

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>> trace: continuing coverage now, the dust has settled in manchester united kingdom after the suicide bombing that killed 22 and wounded 59 others. laurie remains that this could be a sign of more to come. in a speech earlier, u.k. prime minister theresa may elevated the nation's terror level from severe to critical, an indication that another attack may be imminent. watch. >> there is a possibility that we cannot ignore that there is a wider group of individuals behind these attacks. it is now concluded on the basis of today's investigation that the threat level should be increased for the time being from severe to critical. this means that their assessment is not only just an attack remains highly likely, but a further attack could be imminen imminent. >> trace: as authorities consider that looming threat the question, but also lingers, did the terrorist act alone? with is not on the phone's former new new york state home

homeland security director. thank you for joining us. that is a question here this morning as you look at this killer, salman abedi. 22 years old, he lived about 3.. victoria station, took the train. what are the odds, in your estimation, that this man acted alone? >> i don't think the odds are very good. when you take a 22-year-old, to get them to be this organized, to be able to do the preoperational surveillance, go to the stadium ahead of time, even if you lived in proximity, to understand how the concert would happen, the timing of when the crowds would be there, when they would lead, what would be at that point that they could use, what happened here. that takes some training, some planning. take a look at the device. the device is not a simple matter to put together a device like this. with the shrapnel involved and be able to use that in such a

way to such a devastating effec effect. for selection, this concert it all speaks to a part of a larger plot to make sure they sent a message to vulnerability and terror. >> trace: it could have been a trade. in victoria station it might've been packed. it could have been other venues, but this looks like it was specifically targeted because of young people. because there was a timing they knew exactly when people would be coming out the doors. that clearly plays a role in all of this. >> absolutely. just transporting -- first of all extend the when the device, getting the chemical component, everyone says that you can get on the internet, the recipes are out there, it is very difficult to work with unstable elements and we believe it's a peroxide-based device.

to use in such a way that it will work and it would work when you want it to. that indicates that there was help for him to do that. especially at 22 years old. >> trace: talk about the terror threat level there in the u.k. we know we have talked about this before and at the british intel, they are pretty precise. they have a very good track record from going back to the transnational bombings that were foiled back in 2005 of airplanes going over the atlantic. when they raised the threat level to critical, which is the most severe level, it does not give you pause? do you think they know clearly something else is in the works or could very well be in the works? >> as we all know, here's what happened afterwards. they conduct the investigation at the site, they find out what this individual has been doing, find out the identity, they go

to their home, they knocked on the door, they go and find out not only his personal footprint but his digital footprint, and now after they do that analysis, they say we think we have enough information that there could be other attacks coming, and therefore we are going to raise the level. they haven't raised the level in a very, very long time. for them to do that means that they have information that there is -- not only other individuals but they are poised to strike. that's the message that has come out about raising this level. >> trace: really only the third time it's been raised, we talked about in 2005 the very first time it was raised. they raised us relatively quickly like the prime minister did today. is it your estimation that they are working on a timeline here? are they saying if we get to the next 48-72 hours, maybe a week, we can lower the threat level? is there a certain hot zone timing for a second or possibly

third attack? >> it's impossible to judge what the timing will be unless you know the specifics of the information that they've uncovered. you know it's got to be a very near term in operation for them to raise the level so quickly and in such a stark manner. the other thing that people should appreciate, that when you raise the level, essentially what you are doing are putting more resources into the street and trying basically -- envisioning's a blanket over the area to try and keep people from doing any activities while they conduct further investigations. >> trace: michael balboni, former new york state homeland security director, thank you. during his initial response to the terror attack in manchester, president trump called the terrorist losers, which raised a few eyebrows. was he being presidential, or is it about time the president calls it the way he sees it?

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he's also a former counterinsurgency intelligence officer. it could have you to join us. at first, i want to get your take on a couple things because i know you're an expert in a few different fields. first president trump sound bite. does he sound presidential to you, losers? >> i think his determination as to defeat isis is more important than the words he's used. and be happy to have evil losers painted on the side of any bond that we drop on isis. the phrase itself, it doesn't mean much. the actions mean more. this president is determined, we see the change of policy in syria that we will actually surround racist strongholds to prevent them from relocating to other areas to actually defeat it. so the strategy is changing and i think the strategy is more important than the words, trace. >> trace: the words seem to be kind of a take off of president bush after 9/11 calling them evildoers. we talk about this overseas trip and it was pretty planned out. it was his first trip and now

that he gets to europe, this all changes. the attack in manchester changes the narrative of what he is talking about with the different european leaders. it's no longer about political goals here. it's about security, it's about what we do about isis, it's about a whole different list of things. >> it's on the heels of a nato summit. now there will be more focused on partnering with nato and enhancing nato's capabilities along the united states to go after this threat, this is a threat to nato and also a threat to the semi regional partners that the riata trip showcased. with lcc and king abdullah. the key leaders in the airport wanting to fight isis and al qaeda before this attack and now an emphasis on our nato allies to find them after this terrific demonic horrific

attack. >> trace: we are talking about a couple things simultaneously here. the president is about to meet with pope francis here in less than 45 minutes. they had kind of a dust up a while back about the wall and about refugees. i wonder if among european leaders, and maybe even here at home, if this attack and manchester might change perception a little bit about refugees and about how we handle these different things. is it your sense that it will maybe move the needle a little bit? >> i think it's always been understood by regional leaders and counterterrorism professionals in the middle east that the emphasis needs to be on analysis from his war-torn countries that have al qaeda and isis operating in these countries. we are not talking about families, we are not talking about a husband and wife and their children and taking them in his refugees. we are talking about unwed military personnel who are all over europe and each time these

attacks happen, it's usually one of these unwritten military -- from the middle east or someone who is nativeborn with relatives or friends in the middle east who are carrying out these attacks. i think there will be an emphasis on the two separate families who need help and also an emphasis on vetting these individuals that are more likely to be suborned to terrorists. >> trace: does the residence have more people's ears so to speak? just took what was he was saying when he was a little is telling me is there that we need to purge the land of islamic extremism, and it then he went on to say we need to drive them out. he said it again and again that we need to drive them out. after this attack, what do you think more people are listening? >> i think he's not alone in spreading that message. more people are listening. we actually have very capable people within general buckmaster and general mattis. they will be working with her

nato counterparts and they will reassure them that the are indeed a partners and there should be intelligence sharing and there should have a look at isis as a priority for both nato, are sunni regional allies, and the international community. they need to be defeated. >> trace: i said at the top that you had a couple of expertise. i want to know the counterintelligence is also one of your fortes. you look at the scene in manchester and you look at this bomb the way that was guilt and the nails being used and the wounds of the victims. when he first heard about these telltale signs, what did you think? >> i kept hearing the media say there was no smoke or fire and less fragmentation grenades aren't do not have a lot of smoke and fire. there is a blast and the smoke dissipates and then there's carnage. when it actually turned to be a problem, my concern then was tht

was a low wolf that created a bomb in his house or was this a sophisticated explosion? look look like a sophisticated bomb in a sophisticated attack. i look right now that there is a heightened security sense in england, and it may be because this bomb was command detonated. what that means is that salman abedi didn't actually trigger the explosion, he was the meal that carried it and into somebody else detonated it. this guy is 22 years old, probably doesn't have a sophistication to build this bomb and conduct this attack without being heavily influenced by a terror cell. that is an assessment. i'm sure that something they are looking at. as to whether or not he simply carried it in and another person detonated it, and if that's the case, that's a very sophisticated event. >> trace: it's something that i have heard again and again today when people are talking about counter and insurgency and

talking about these types of attacks. are you here sophisticated. rudimentary or sophisticated. today i heard the word sophisticated use a lot. what does it mean when you reach further into the networks themselves. are we talking about mass production of these types of bombs? are we talking about expertise in the bomb making itself? what exactly when you say sophistication versus just a run-of-the-mill attack? >> you saw indicators of that initially with the bomb disposal unit showing up. then you stop other indicators when the actually visited salman abedi's home. in the actually had to command detonated thing at the residence. residence. their signatures for each bomb maker and there may be indicators that this bomb maker is a sophisticated bomb maker that is part of a terror cell and salman abedi was again the mule. everything that was found at his residence was by design. it looks like it starts and ends here with salman abedi instead

of it being part of a larger cell. but i think british intel are very good at this and they have a lot of good sources. this tells me that they think there is something more to simply a lone wolf that could have cooked up a bomb in his basement. >> trace: good stuff. michael pregent, thank you sir. coming up, the shock of terrorism crosses the pond. americans wondering, are venues in the united states say from the kind of attack that happened at the manchester arena? our life continuing coverage next. h me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind

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madison square garden in new york city and fans attending the indy 500 on saturday can expect security to be even tighter than in previous years with us now is a g.o.p. strategist and iraq war veteran. chris, thank you for joining us. security experts all they have been talking about how he mentioned securing arenas and stadiums and public events. they talked a lot about ingress and egress which is people going in the building and coming out. does this, in your estimation, change the map on how we to security a release venues? >> absolutely. first and foremost, thank you kate is doing the right thing moving the threat assessment from severe to critical and getting the army on the street. absolutely. i think the only way to prevent these things, three particular things of the top of my head, one local law enforcement and getting the politicians out of the planning. what local law enforcement to assessments. we got to engage the public. we have to get the public to be

our own best asset and communicating whether it's the see something say something to get more active on these things. thirdly, we have to figure out a way to get the factors that might be part of these plans last minute to pull the plug and other conspirators. i don't know what that looks like yet, but we have to start thinking about something. >> trace: i'm curious when you go back to the see something say something thing, you got to say we have the public notify us. we look at this attack in manchester and use have this 22-year-old guy and he actually goes to victoria station and comes up to this. there's been no cost. there been 250 calls right after the explosion but there was no suspicious calls. what are people looking for in something like this guy walking up to a venue with the device that was highly lethal? >> i think that's where the education and training comes in. you or i could be a suspect. we need to pay attention to human behavior, people that are

profusely sweating, acting unusual, caring objects. quite possibly people could have seen this and been a little uncomfortable and felt there wasn't something there. the public could be its own best ally at preventing. we have to do more. the vigils are not enough. we have to take more action and the recommendations are there. we have to pressure policymakers to empower local police chiefs to do what's necessary to prevent these things. >> trace: i was reading today, the people that manage the manchester arena came out today and said this happened outside the box office, outside the arena. we are not charged with patrolling the area's, the common areas, the public areas, that's not our job. really people would say, that's not your job? you can't patrol every area, you can't control every street corner with a couple hundred people on it. you just can't do that. are there going to be call saying at arenas here and like we talked about the john legend concert down in texas, will

there now because that so you have to have craft wherever people are gathered? and then it becomes like a militarized zone. >> i don't know what more would take to do more. and talking with senior trusted law enforcement officials in chicago and illinois and boston and others, local law enforcement is at the front of counterterrorism. they have needs, resources. i think you're domestically, we can loosen up federal grants for local law enforcement that will help. we know what we need to do, we just have to focus in on it. this could happen here in which to make sure it doesn't. >> trace: you're talking about throw some more money at the problem. sometimes people will say yeah, but you can only secure so many things. people don't want their liberties taken away when they are going to a concert. he don't to spend 15 or 20 minutes trying to get inside the building in another 20 minutes trying to get onto the building so they can make sure there are no threats out there. the talk about this, the comparisons. we read about these all the time. he talked about this in connection or compared to the

bottom -- the attack appears a couple years ago. here are saying this is actually more akin to the boston marathon attack because this was a wide open area. it was a public space. this was in getting inside the theater and that opening fire. this was something that happened outside, so it's more akin to maybe the marathon. is that a fair assessment? >> absolutely purity of two things in play. i admit i am constantly complaining about tsa but we need it. and the issue of intelligence. you can never have enough intelligence out there. i have to emphasize public involvement. see something say something. getting people comfortable saying things and you can always look into something if there is nothing there. we can kind of forgo that. unfortunately, we have to expect that these things are part of our life now and that no child you have to be killed going to a concert. we have law enforcement out there telling us we need something, it could be funding

or authority, we got to continue to calibrate these things actively in our national discussion with our allies over the u.k. >> trace: you bring up a good point. intelligence has to trickle down the line. chris neiweem, thanks for joining me. president trump is meeting with pope francis of the vatican. they had not a rocky relationship, but kind of a contentious relationship in the past. coming up, we will talk about what we can expect from this visit, which will happen very soon. breaking news continues. hey, the future, what's her problem? apparently, i kept her up all night. she said the future freaks her out. how come no one likes me, jim? intel does! just think of everything intel's doing right now with artificial intelligence. and pretty soon ai is going to help executives like her see trends to stay ahead of her competition. no more sleepless nights.

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>> trace: and about 30 minutes, president trump is due to arrive at the vatican where he and first lady melania will participate in an arrival ceremony. it's there that the president will meet pope francis for the very first time. of course we will bring your live pictures from the vatican as they come in. for more on what we can expect from the visit, we are joined by monsignor carrie harrington who is the vicar for communications for the diocese. so good of you to join us. i know that you know not too long ago it was a candidate trump and pope francis and there seem to be a little bit of bad

blood. the pope criticized the wall along the u.s.-mexico border and then candidate trump said the pope was disgraceful and really should stay out of it. is there still a little bit of that left or such as moderate under the bridge? >> i think we are not going to see any of that. both people speak very sharply, very cleanly, they kind of cut through all the noise. certainly the pope did that when he kind of spoke about someone who builds walls and not bridges of sort of being unchristian. trump responds by saying the pope is disgraceful for calling into question his christianity. that sets the table, but i think here we are going to see a meeting that's going to be very cordial, probably very substantive is on a want of different issues enter the pope was on the environment. he's probably going to raise some of these questions in his meeting with trump. certainly he will's speak about the plight of refugees. they will have a lot to speak about with the security of the world when you consider what happened in manchester.

>> trace: monsignor, you make a very good point because a lot of people don't realize, they look at vatican city and we are looking at my pictures of it right now. people forget this a sovereign country. a lot of analysts say this is going to be religious to kind of finish off what was called a religious trip, this is its own sovereign state. they have diplomats, there's ambassadors. the pope is not really going to talk as much religion as he is going to talk policies. refugees, a lot of other stuff will be colored aside from religion. >> that's right. this is not going to be religious and counter or a religious feat and forms. public policies, the pope as a head of state and he's going to be speaking about state matters. i think ivanka trump has been speaking about trafficking, i'm sure that will be a peripheral issue here. i think the more substantive questions will really be about security, the environment. despite the fact that there may seem to be quite differences

between these two men, there is also commonality. both seem to be suspicious of globalization and the impact of globalization on the economy and what it means for people. the pope, his tweet this morning was about finding common ground. i think that might be the metaphor for what he and president trump are going to be headed. >> trace: the pope did talk about the common ground here, monsignor. i want to know your sense of what the pope is looking for out of this. when he invites president trump to the vatican, is it just to show -- is the symbolism? or is the pope really looking for some hard, fast answers to a lot of the problems we face now in the world? >> i don't think he is looking so much for your hard fast answers, i think he is looking to rebuild the relationship with the man who was president of the most powerful country in the world. i think you need to build a relationship with someone who can pick up the phone and have

substantive discussions about policy matters that really have an impact throughout the world. this pope is already done that with president barack obama. the entire policy of the united states towards cuba changed as a result of their relationship. i think that's the kind of insight the pope is looking to gain from this encounter. this pope would say was the superior of the jesuit fathers, he is going to be looking at the body language and listening to what the pope is saying. he's going to be looking for those areas where he can build a relationship with this man in order to kind of move his agenda forward, which i think it's really an agenda of engagement. >> trace: that's a good point. he talked about president obama. he had eight years were he didn't but there was a substantial amount of time or president obama had to spend while pope francis was -- or the pope before pope francis got in. the question becomes, do you have to gain some ground on this? and i talked about building relationships, but doesn't pope francis want to gain a

little bit of ground with president trump? he may only have four years. >> the vatican and the pope take the long term of things. i think that relationships begin with the encounter with the person. i think that's what the pope is looking for. he wants encounter the man. he walked up behind him and it trump and maybe some of the bad blood. kind of look forward to see how they can each in their respective responsibilities build a better world. >> trace: monsignor, we have been talking the whole show about this attack in manchester. it does this come up in the conversation? does pope francis respond? >> i think it has to. the fact of the matter is, they have done a very poor job of the integration of refugees, especially refugees that are coming from war-torn nations. that is not the case in the united states. the united states has done an outstanding job integrating refugees from war-torn countries into the border community. i think that this conversation has to come up and i think that

both are going to have very sharp points. i don't think this is going to be contentious by any stretch of the imagination, but i do think it's going to be open and frank airing of the challenges that the world faces as a result of global terror and terrorism. >> trace: because of the way the united states is handling refugees is vastly different from the way that other countries are handling refugees, such as germany. in that noncontentious debate or conversation that the pope and the president may have here in the next 30 or 40 minutes, there is a little bit of bringing up the wall and the way the pope sees how the refugee should be handled. >> i think that the question of refugees is a critical question to the pope. the pope -- it's a very interesting thing. egypt was attacked and what does the pope to? he flies to egypt and goes without a great deal of security. this is his response to

terrorism. to be unafraid of what the terrorists are doing, to not be shut down by global terrorism. what is a reaction for the rest of the world? it is to obliterate the terrace. there is a difference -- the difference is the pope is looking for an encounter, even with people who hate us. this is because he's fundamentally a religious person. fundamentally, he is a religious person looking for the encounter with the center. trump is a political leader and head of state, what is he seeking to do? he is trying to provide for the dash which is his primary responsibility. at the tension that is being brought to these two men today. >> trace: monsignor, thank you sir. much appreciated. we will have continuing coverage throughout the night on both the visit of the president and the terror. i am trace gallagher. oh, that's really attached.

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>> the world joints england and great as it mourns for the latest terrorist massacre. ice is claiming responsibility as fears of another imminent attack spread across the united kingdom and atlantic are just now, early morning in the u.k., rush hour just started there as theresa may the prime minister saint believe it's another attack could happen. let's review. i am leland vittert. >> 22 people killed, many of them children and attack concert hall in manchester. another 59 people injured.