>> the world joints england and great as it mourns for the latest terrorist massacre. ice is claiming responsibility as fears of another imminent attack spread across the united kingdom and atlantic are just now, early morning in the u.k., rush hour just started there as theresa may the prime minister saint believe it's another attack could happen. let's review. i am leland vittert. >> 22 people killed, many of them children and attack concert hall in manchester. another 59 people injured.

now chilling memories of how a night of fun suddenly turned to terror. >> heard the bomb go off and i just grabbed it and everybody was screaming. >> leland: in the aftermath of this, troubling questions. it was the suicide bomber a lone wolf, or was he supported by a terror network? british leaders have been forced to take some drastic measures. >> threat level should be increased for the time being from severe to critical. this means that their assessment is not only just an attack remains highly likely, but that a further attack may be imminent. imminent. >> julie: here in the u.s. as americans prepare for a summary of outdoor fun, many just can't help to wonder about their own safety. can something like what happened in the manchester arena massacre happen here? >> leland: we will talk about that over the next couple of hours and then this.

president trump's marathon trip abroad takes him to rome for meetings with pope francis, the president and the pope meeting in just a couple hours live throughout that at the vatican for the very latest. >> julie: in the meantime, england and the entire world still trying to make sense of the brutal bomb attack that left 22 people dead. many of them children, women, mothers, chaperones attending a ariana grande concert in manchester. at the very same time, britain must also with the possibility that another attack may be imminent. let's go live to benjamin hall in manchester. benjamin, how is the investigation into the massacre progressing and why the concern another attack could be at hand? >> good morning here for manchester. you are absolutely right. the big question is, was this attacker acting by himself or part of a larger network? quickly at the moment the police do not know, which is why they raised the terror level to

critical. this is the third time in history it's been this high and what that means is the police will be -- the military rally will be on the streets of the u.k. 5,000 soldiers we will be staying here because the authorities believe that there is an imminent possibility of an attack. what we know is that at 10:30 on monday night just at this concert was ending and the people and the children were screaming out on the streets, the attacker blew up his suicide device. it was a calculated move aimed at killing as many people and as many young children as possible. isis has now claimed responsibility for the attack. there are differing reports within isa social media. some suggesting that he was inspired by isis. other saying that he was directed by isis. there's a clear difference there. we know a little bit about the attacker himself. his name is salman abedi. he was born in manchester but it comes from libyan parents. his parents were refugees from libya. forensic teams have been

scouring his place and carrying out test. they carried out one controlled explosion and they arrested a 23-year-old man that is not certain what his connection to this attack was. the police really moving ahead in the investigation here. one other major issue here is that last was more powerful and planned that we have seen in the past, not as creating gravy observed here. is there another network out there? is as part of a wider self, which is were here today on the streets of manchester, tensions remain high. the threat level so i critical. no one taking any chances epithet atrocious, horrible act which killed 22, 12 of them under the age of 16. back to you, julie. >> julie: benjamin hall, thank you very much for joining us for more on the aftermath of the manchester arena bombing, steve rogers. >> leland: steve, good to have you here. we hear it now as we look forward at the condition in the u.k. is critical.

it is no rush hour in the united kingdom, 6:00 a.m. there on what is wednesday morning. what changes now because of this threat level? >> with the exception of president donald trump, the western leaders of the world are beginning to realize that we are at war. this is a war against terrorism. since we defined this now is war, the changes that are going to be necessary -- they will have troops on the streets now, i am absolutely certain that at least in my view, based on what we have seen, that this was not a lone actor. again there may have been some other people involved in the making of the bomb and reconnaissance and then in the execution of this operation. when you talk about worn out, you are talking about the rulesd give the police and the military on the street a lot of latitude to do what must be done in order to hunt these terrorist down. >> leland: you think about the number of suspects who have some kind of jihadi leanings or have some type of jihadi spots in the

united kingdom. now the number is in the thousands. it does having police and troops on the street -- is it enough? is there something that needs to be done in terms of taking the fight to the enemy? >> it is not enough. i understand between 40800 of these individuals who just spoke about went to the mid east and fought side-by-side with isis and return back to great britain. those people should be taken into custody and should have been vetted. a lot of them would've been tossed out of the country. that's going to be a big game changer as we move forward. >> leland: there's a parallel here, almost an intersection with president trump's trip. if this person was either inspired by isis or trained by isis, the internet has a lot to do with it. in saudi arabia, president trump attended the opening of the saudi counter extremism internet center, for lack of a better term. there they say the saudis are

going to take the fight to the terrorists on the internet, not only by trying to stamp out extremist messaging, but also counter message a little bit. does the saudis have the ability to do it? despite all the good words and political desire? >> i think they will not have the political desire because these terrorists are trying to bring the kingdom down. secondly, with regard to the internet, they are going to need a lot of our help. we are going to have to train them in disrupting the communications between these terrorist organizations. it's going to take a lot of work. everyone seems to be understanding now because of the leadership of our president that there is a lot at stake here and what is at stake is frankly control of the entire region. the saudis do not want that. >> leland: certainly, the saudis used their own house literally in danger. looking forward in terms of funding, the commonality of all

of this, whether it be isis the groups, the radical clerics, or the tears themselves, they need money. how good have we gotten in advance, shall we say, in drawing up the funding if we can't draw it up, at least following the money trail to these jihadi's before they can carry out an attack? >> i believe here in this it's been very good because we haven't seen a major catastrophe. let's get to the point of this funding. don't forget iran and other terrorist states. they are funding these terrorist organizations and until we have the political will to deal with countries like iran. >> leland: what about saudi arabia and qatar and the arabia? i said the qatari's who are known to allow their citizens to finance these groups here to speak out they to have to and we're going to have to put up enough pressure on them to stop this and again i go back to tha.

this whole notion of these terrorist leaving them alone is going to come to an end because these tears want to take over that and it took leadership in is going to take a lot of leadership in the president is stepping up and trying to create this coalition, especially in this middle east agent to attack this issue. my view down the road is going to try out because everyone is going to feel the brute force of these terrorist organizations. >> leland: certainly the house of others very concerned. the president talking about the very issue you talk about what was iran and the funding of hezbollah and others more throughout the evening with that. thank you, sir. julie. >> julie: we went, as we continue, to monitor the tragic events in manchester, we are also keepinge on another major story. at donald trump, our president visit to rome. as part of his overseas trip. as the third destination on his maiden voyage abroad as president, his very first trip

as president overseas. now and just a short time from now, he is set to meet pope frank is at the vatican. we will be covering it for you on fox news channel. now live with us from the vatican with more on this visit. amy, what are the pope and the president expected to talk abou about? >> is forced to be a private meeting, julie, so we may never know what his head between the two men. let me just at the scene for you here right now. st. peter's square is starting to fill up. there is a general audience here at 10:00 this morning. the pope's meeting with president trump will be at 8:30 and a lot of people that wanted the pope give the trump such an early window? it is not exactly prime time, but the reason for that is this audience that the pope holds every morning at 10:00 a.m. and he is not going to move that for anything. something else that came up was the fact that trump will have to enter through an employee's entrance in the vatican, not the grand entrance. that again is because of this.

there are serious security concerns around the strip, generally. there are four different groups that the president may take. he's going to be leaving the u.s. ambassador's residence in about three quarters of an hour, an italian police as detonated in conjunction with the american counterpart. four potential risk that president trump in the first lady can take to come here and they are not going to the side until the last minute which want to take. again out of very serious consideration for security. about this conversation between the two men which will take place in the library. the people have speculated about all of the things that could go wrong because of course, these two men were potentially the most powerful in the world, issues from very different perspectives. whether it was climate change or immigration, capitalism, arm trade. the pope railed against the use

of this mother of all bombs that trumped authorized in afghanistan. recently saying, mothers give birth, bombs give death. i found it -- but the bottom line is, people believe that this meeting is going to be very sincere and probably quite warm. it is believed that the pope is very much looking forward to meeting president trump. no doubt the feeling will be mutual despite their little indirect bars at each other about building walls, people who build walls. trump has said he really does like the pope's personality, likes what he represents. we will get some sort of readout, obviously, from this, but we won't know exactly all the details because it is a private meeting. there will be the president, the pope, and then one or two interpreters in the room. after this meeting, there will be an expanded audience that will include the first lady, no doubt, we know she will be part

of it. then we are assuming that ivanka trump and possibly jared kushner, certain donation of rex tillerson will have a audience with the pope. then president trump will be meeting with the vatican secretary of state and another top vatican official before he moves on to meet italian. before finally heading off to his next leg of his very intensive first foreign trip. >> julie: amy, i just want to ask you. this is private and is behind closed doors. but we know our president and he is not a shy man. he likes to display himself and these foreign leaders in front of all the cameras. it will there be a camera opportunity so that we can see them together? >> absolutely. there are a couple of that kind of like one of those russian where you dig deeper and deeper in. first they are going to meet and

what's been called the small throne room. then that will be a photo op. then they will disappear. they will go into this library where the meeting will take place. there will be another spray of the meeting. then everyone will be out, and this meeting which we quite frank and colorful. both men are prone to being very spontaneous. anything is possible then. finally, president trump will have a glorious tour of the palace. there's a lot to see in there, and i would hope that the cameras will capture some of that grandeur. finally, they will get to visit the sistine chapel and st. peter's right behind me. melania will go on to a very important hospital sponsored by the vatican to meet with children there. ivanka trump is going to a very important charity, which is dealt with migrant resettlement and grappling with the issues of

human trafficking here. the first family will be quite involved in some causes that are very near and dear to her heart. >> julie: we will be watching it. thank you for covering it. who would be back to you. stay with fox news continuing coverage of the manchester terrorism attack coming up, we have more. >> leland: young females, many of the concertgoers at that concert were known to be young girls. were they perhaps the intended targets of the attack? what that might mean for us here in america this summer, when we return. ♪ ♪ i'm dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer.

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do you believe the target was specifically women or young people predominantly female or both? >> in the broad sense, very conservative forms of islam and extreme forms of islam treat women like second-class citizens, to say the least. many cases even worse. in my own experience in afghanistan during one of my taurus there, a girl school was actually machine-gunned by taliban fighters and in other cases they were just burned to the ground. we see this form of mistreatment and a really horrible sense. at the same time fail, i am convinced that girls education, that women's empowerment can also be one of the tools that defeats this extremist ideology in the long run. i am reminded of the quote by mo all of you die, nobel peace prize winning young girl who was shot for attending school in pakistan who said that the scene

extremist most fear is the girl with the book. >> julie: it is so true. any woman who is singing about female empowerment is certainly going to be hated by radical islam and the community. the first victim identified was the 18-year-old girl. her name georgina calendar the other an 8-year-old girl in the list goes on. some remain missing. we don't even know how fast of a population of children we are talking about and girls. obviously, ariana grande concert is going to draw young girls. female chaperones. is there anything else about this particular event that would attract someone looking to inflict such horrible harm? >> as a follower of is a daughter, that really just makes me ill. even to watch this footage. in this case, i don't think we know you have to be candid. this could have been exactly what we are just talking about, and attack against women. it could have been an attack

against broader kind of western pop culture that many extremist preachers feel as though was attacking their religious values. it could have been, frankly, just a soft target. if you look in this case, the suicide bomber went just outside the security perimeter, but then also positioned himself in a choke point so that he was going to cause maximum damage. one of the things that a security professional, there is a lot of focus on people coming into a venue. there's a lot of focus on the venue itself but there's not a lot on the egress. that something that we will have to look at much more closely. i don't i think we know yet what the motivation's work. >> julie: you know this person had to know the lay of the land. he talked about the egress and ingress. those are two scenarios and what security needs to be wrapping around this place twofold. not just to be inside, not just

to be outside the perimeter, but blocks away because as you know, any large crowd is going to be susceptible to a terrorist attack, a soft target such as this one. it's almost so obvious that it's almost disappointing to know that there wasn't a second perimeter blocking the egress so that if you were not going to some sort of metal detector, no facts were allowed into this place, but no metal detector would actually have detected a would-be bomber because there was none until you actually got inside, which is where this bombing happened. this terrorist, this homicide currently bomber managed to get inside the actual entranceway of this stadium. >> you have to wonder. if you are threatened by pop-culture or you are threatened by ariana grande's message or you feel like it's undermining your faith, you still have to wonder on a human level, what someone is thinking when they are looking in the eyes of a wave of little girls

coming out of a venue and how they then think that killing those girls is going to change a situation? i do want to make another point that we talked about the barriers in the metal detectors. we can only play so much defense. in somewhat defense of our security to professionals in the united states and in europe, they have to be right 1000% of the time. the tears only have to be right once. what we need to do, aside from just playing defense, is to take a hard look at what we are doing authentically. we cannot allow these groups to continue to have sanctuaries from afghanistan to syria to yemen. we have to do as president trump mentioned in his speech. we have to really put the rose on our moderate era of allies that muslim majority governments to take this on and defeated from the inside. we have to go after the ideology

in the long run. we can play defense and we can't turn western society into a police state. >> julie: the suspect's parents were immigrants from libya. it will be interesting to see how that plays into information with the president at the pope considering the pope have been of president trump's travel ban, as he tried to instate. that's all the time you have. michael waltz, thank you very much for joining us. >> leland: as michael and julie talked about, some of the victims the victims of this attack, we are learning more about their stories, the young women who went to a concert to have a good time and at their lives were prematurely ended. jackie bonnie is here going through some of those stories, which are tough for each and every one of the pictures we see. good morning, jackie. >> jackie: , its very heart wrenching. this morning we are still learning more about the victims the total. 59 injured as concertgoers frantically ran through the entrance following the explosion. hospital officials say the

wounded including 12 children under the age of 16. the youngest known victim identified as an 8-year-old. we see her right there. her mother and sister were among the wounded. the head teacher at her school describing her as "simply a beautiful little girl in every aspect of the word. she was loved by everyone and her warmth and kindness will be remembered fondly? 18-year-old georgina calendar also lost her life. she was the first to be identified as a victim. she was described as her friends as an ariana grande super fan, just saturday night she tweeted about how excited she was to see ariana grande's life. she even posted 2015 instagram photo, you see it they are proposing with the pop star, something she was very proud of. we are learning 26-year-old john atkinson was among the casualties. according to a report by the manchester evening news, atkinson was leaving the arena when the explosion went off. as you can imagine, some real heroic stories as well coming out of this tragedy like a

32-year-old attended the concert with her sister and 11-year-old niece. the newspaper reports that she was killed while shielding her knees from the back-to-back blast. her niece recovering this morning from a broken leg. she spent all night and monday night into tuesday frantically looking for her daughter, even going on television and pleading for help to find her. sadly, to say her mother posted a photo on facebook with the caption... olivia campbell taken far far too soon. think of the angels and keep smiling. mommy loves you so much. just heart wrenching stuff right there. british prime minister theresa may said we struggle to complement the work and twisted minds that this was packed with young children and as an opportunity for carnage. they are talking on the show moves to go, britain's terrorist threat level has been racer critical, the status could be employed a set of police a public offense. right back here at home in the u.s., god save the queen is

played along with "the star-spangled banner" before the new york yankees hosted the kansas city royals. our prayers to the victims in manchester. "sky news" reported just before he came on air here, to go more victims. we will continue to monitor this all night and bring you any updates on the victims. back to you guys. >> leland: find the find much to add to that. jackie ibanez, thank you so much. as much as we focus on the motive and the perpetrator and the why and could this be prevented and then use it for a moment and you listen to jackie's report and you have shivers, chills, you think about the parents who lives are forever changed, people who will no longer have kids, the lives cut short. it changes a perspective. >> julie: it really does. >> leland: the manchester attacks almost certainly come up when the pope and the president meet in a little bit more than

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investigation process. for now, that investigation is taking a backseat for the president during his first trip abroad and at the halfway point, at the white house says he has accomplished nearly everything he is hoping to. on tuesday in bethlehem, president trump paid tribute to the victims of the attack in manchester. he had some choice words for those responsible. >> so many young, beautiful innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers. i will call them from now on losers. because that is what they are. they are losers. >> the manchester attack is highlighted the main purpose of the president's trip to the middle east to build a coalition of men or eastern country to eradicate terrorist in the ideology behind it. >> i repeat again that we must drive out the terrorists and extremists from our midst.

obliterate this people ideology and protect and defend our citizens and people of the worl >> we assured him at saudi arabian summit that he was 25. >> a lemming at that meeting to condemn the horrible terrorist attack that occurred in the british city of manchester. >> and that cooperation could help the white house with another key goal of this trip, laying the foundation for a peace deal between israel and the palestinians. while both sides that today they are looking forward to working towards that goal, it was clear from israel's prime minister, that it will be no easy task.

>> president trump spent the night in rome, italy, and about an hour from now, he and the first lady will be meeting at the vatican with pope francis before heading to brussels this afternoon for a nato leader summit and then onto sicily for the g7 summit. julie. >> julie: thank you very much. >> leland: speaking of that meeting between the president and the pope, we are about an hour away, 7:30 a.m. over in rome. many are wondering if the two leaders will start fresh after the pontiff once called the presidents border wall "not christian." every market trump then called "disgraceful." we are formed by u.s. ambassado ambassador, ray flynn. nice to see you sir. >> it's good to be with you. >> what you make of this. you've seen the president change, for lack of a better word, his tune from the campaign trail to when he was in

saudi arabia. we seen him train some of his views when he went into israel. do you think he changes a little bit in his meeting to have these two men soften and come together or is this contentious? >> i don't think it is softening their positions. i think they both have very firm positions about issues. i think what they challenge here is, and they are both good at their business, and that is to find issues of common ground. pope francis, who i know, is good at that. there are a number of issues that are very important to him. president trump has a number of issues that are very important to him. if i were the ambassador again, that's what i would work on, getting them to agree on issues of commonality that bring us the best in the vatican and the united states. >> leland: in so many ways, as different as these men's views are, there's a want of

commonality though, they both fancy themselves as outsiders. it's the very center of the establishment. they are people that like to communicate directly with the people, whether it be on twitter or through speeches. they view themselves as agents of change. they both say that it's important for them to be comfortable with the people they are talking to you and have those people be comfortable with them. they say most at ease inside big crowds and dealing with big crowds. how does that translate into this meeting? >> can you imagine -- to visualize this. if the pope president come together and agree that their work together on issues of ending violence, helping violence in the united states across the world, like we saw in manchester the other day. or the persecution of christians in the world, which i call genocide. the issue of human trafficking, which the president and his family have been very much

involved in. those are issues that both of them could get significant mileage, in terms of winning big issue. i do john paul ii very well. i know what john paul ii did with ronald reagan. the most important issue, in my life, was the cold war and communism. the pope and the presidents of the united states were principally responsible for the collapse of communism. tear down that wall! and then pope john paul ii went to poland and said be not afraid. that is a historic moment we are facing right now in rome. >> leland: if we could have a historic moment like that, obviously it wouldn't come today, but if these two men could come together and use the power that they have, it would

be immeasurable on both sides for good. we appreciate your time and they walked down memory lane. it's important sometimes to remember what it is possible. thank you. >> good to be with you. >> leland: in the wake of the manchester bomb attack, they have now been new calls for u.s. allies, and this is a big part of president trump's trip to unite in the battle of terrorism. >> julie: coming up, president trump's response ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ sfx: engine revving ♪ (silence) ♪

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>> julie: the fox news alert, president trump calling on allies to join the force in the fight against terrorism. joining us now, jason russell. thank you very much. president trump has called on allies to unite against the fight of terrorism. he did this in his speech in saudi arabia. his speech got a lot of widespread praise. but how much easier is that said than done? >> is definitely much easier said than done. we will see -- trump is much more able to accomplish this because a lot of his predecessors. you look at what foreign policy experts are saying in d.c. about the middle east. they are saying that middle eastern leaders love trumps strength, they love the shows of strength that he has had in his administration. including not being afraid to enforce that redline in syria.

his middle eastern leaders love uniting around trump and the strength that he is showing his foreign policy. >> julie: has president trump handled the stance against terrorism so far as a whole. if you look at syria, what he did after the assad regime cast its own people and killing its own women and children and that is something that really got under his skin, which reminds me very much of how he responded to this tragedy in manchester. compare him to president to enact presidents in the past where they were at the stage in the presidents eat, just under 200 days in office? >> if you look at what he didn his first 200 is, i don't think it was very much. terrorism wasn't as much of an issue in george w. bush's 200 days because 9/11 hadn't yet happened. he is not going to stick with the status quo anymore. he is changing things up and enforcing that redline in syria. he is not just using the same

old rhetoric that past presidents have used. he is saying the word radical islamic terrorism. they left to say that if he is changing, he is not calling terrace monsters, he is calling the people losers. rhetoric alone won't save life, changes are going to constitute life either. >> julie: you mentioned evil losers and that is something he did get a little slack about. from liberals who didn't like his choice in his words. but it wasn't very much president trump. it's also important to know that isn't it true that calling terrace monsters only encourages them? >> i would think so. if you are a terrace, you are not trying to be loved by the entire world. the early feet up the heat and energy. to be called a luer is something that you are not used to hearin. it is a little bit but not quite exactly of barack obama calling isis the jv team but they came up at the end us on

underestimating them. trump calling them losers as meaning you have better things to do through life. >> julie: president obama had a hard time using the word radical islam which is something president trump has no problem using when it comes to getting into the individual communities, getting into the radical clerics and getting into -- weeding out the terrorism before they have a chance to strike. >> exactly, and that it's one of the things we have been hearing that trump has been able to successfully meet with muslim leaders in the middle east, despite that rhetorical change. they are not offended by radical islamic terrorism. they were big fans of the speech he gave in saudi arabia the other day. that rhetorical change is accosting that. >> julie: jason russell, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> leland: coming up, we'll have to see with the president says with pope francis and the issue of terrorism comes up. these two men had very divergent views on how to deal with it. >> julie: i believe they will come to an agreement that

radical islam needs to be wiped out. >> leland: we will be right back.

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>> leland: about 36 hours after the manchester suicide bombing and dystopic questions, if a terrorist who calls the

scene and killed so many was a lone wolf or how to help and his attack? with us michael pregent and former author. thank you for staying up with us michael. your assessment right now, as we see the u.k. tearing that spread out and now this elevation of the terror threat level to critical where they say another attack is imminent, you have to think that they know a little bit more about this attack, attacker, and his cell than they are letting on. >> i think one of the key indicators are that after they went into salman abedi's residence, they came out and raised this level, this heightened level for a imminent terrorist attack and that maybe because they found there were more material in their and probably more briefcase bonds. also, it seems to me that the level of sophistication with the explosive will lead you to think that this is part of a cell because of his age and his

inexperience. it may lead the intel may lead to the fact it was part of a cell and it was simply somebody carrying a briefcase to a location and he may not have even had detonated this device. it could have been command detonated by someone else. >> leland: we saw this a lot during the israel with the palestinians. the way the is really sort of dismantled the suicide networks was going after leadership of these cells and then working their way down into the radicalized potential suicide bombers. it is at the way this is working in the u.k. for an investigation? are they having to go bottom up from this tech guy's residence to try and find his command and control? >> i think they can do both at the same time. they can have engagement at the top with the sunni population in london to identify potential leaders of the cells. leaders of the cells don't blow themselves up. they always get someone else to do it. in this case, you can start with salman abedi's residence and

look to see whether or not the materials were sophisticated enough to lead to the fact that he was working with a cell. the most important thing here is engagement with the sunni population. also we are finding out that he was actually on the radar of law enforcement. like a lot of lone wolves, we found after they conducted an attack that neighbors worse suspicious of emperor or already on the radar. >> leland: but you have thousands of potential people who are on the radar, if you want to try and surveilled each one of those you are talking about tens of thousands of trains surveillance officers which is impractical at that level. you learn this -- has it the u.k. gotten better at cracking down on the radical imams if they are not willing participants in this, they certainly allow the population to turn a blind eye to these folks before they blow themselves up?

>> that tends to be controversial when you engage with the imam. he can bypass the embalming going to them neighbors themselves and develop relationships with the local policing and demonstrate that this is not a police force that used muslim community in these countries is an adversarial group. to ensure that people that you think of the name of islam don't get the whole group of that name. it's so important to engage. the reason we were able to defeat al qaeda in iraq is because we did exactly that. we did local policing with sunnis in iraq and they chose who was al qaeda and they helped us decimate al qaeda. the same thing is to be done in these western cities now. >> leland: now we ended up isis, one evil for another. kind of like the hydra from greek mythology. michael, appreciate your time. stick around throughout the night, we will have more with you. we appreciate it. to go big story is really as we continue not only for the night, our coverage of the manchester attacks and the fallout from

that, but also the pope. >> julie: that's right, president trump preparing to meet with pope francis. we will continue to watch that for you and are very excited to show you live pictures from vatican city coming up 's the new? they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what's avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what's with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms.

>> looking back, a nation any grief trying to come to grips with the latest terrorist massacre in manchester. in fear of another imminent attack spreading across the u.k. and the atlantic. thank you so much for joining us in this early hour. >> leland: 2:00 a.m. eastern, that makes it across 7:00 a.m. in the united kingdom. they have raised the threat level to critical, there was a staggering death toll, 22 people, many of them kids killed by a suicide bomber at a packed concert hall in manchester, england. another 59 people injured. we