brian: straight up 6:00 eastern time. let me get you up to date on what's happening. we have a fox news alert. president trump meeting with pope francis overnight. roughly 2:45 a.m. and then meeting with italy's president just moments ago on route to see the prime minister. steve: charter. chief white house correspondent john roberts joins us live from saint peter's square. when they went in, they seem kind of icy. they came out. there were smiles. then the pope made a slovenian pastry joke. i know you are going to summarize right now. >> we will get it all in there. there is no question about that. going into this, there was so much anticipation as to what the relationship would be like between the two men.

because, don't forget, they had a feud over the border wall where the pope suggested you couldn't be a christian and want to build walls instead of building bridges to which the president said such talk was disgraceful that no leader, particularly a religious leader should question anybody's faith. there was a time where the pope paying own hotel bill and the president didn't like it because he didn't think it was pope like. after 30 minutes together, the ice seemed to melt between the two men. the pope was willing to give it a chance. because he tweeted out yesterday that dialogue can solve a lot of problems and bring together people in common cause. when he met the broader group of people including melania, jared trump, h.r. mcmaster the national security advisor, and others, there were warm hand shakes and smiles all around. at one point, you mentioned this, steve, the pope talked with melania trump about food. listen here. >>

>> difficult to hear over all the snaps of the shutters he was talk about a slovenian flakey roll full of nuts, raisins, good stuff. gifts exchanged this is always a tradition when the leader comes to visit the pope. the pope gave the president a medallian and three of his writings. the president reciprocated by giving him first edition martin luther king works. the pope is a big fan of martin luther king. the gave him a sculpture from stuart, florida. the president said this to the pope on the way out. listen here. >> [inaudible] >> i will never forget what you told me today. now, the task for us as journalists is to find out what it was that the pope told the president that impressed

him so much. the president right now at the palace. is he meeting with the president of italy. sergio mattarella. from there he goes to a meeting with the prime minister gentilioni and then. brian: brand new president anything but traditional might make it exciting, john. >> it could. steve: john, just one quick question for you. it looks like he they -- the president met with the president of italy for less than 20 minutes. and now he is going to meet with the prime minister of italy probably for a short time because the president, according to the rundown, as you know, they are supposed to leave town here in about 45 minutes. >> yeah. and let's not forget, too, that the president of italy is not the ones with the power. the power is the prime minister. the president is more of a figure head. so it's paulo gentiloni is the one he has to have the good relationship with.

you might remember back when he visited president trump at the white house, i asked president trump a question. i asked jen gentiloni nato is pg less than 1%. the president said i can hardly wait to hear him answer the question that's the same question i'm going to ask him. you are right, maybe it could get exciting at this nato leaders meeting. ainsley: i know it's about nato and the g-7 but meeting with the muslim leaders in saudi arabia and jewish leaders in israel and meeting with the pope in italy. smart move? >> yeah. i mean, take a look where he has been. he has been to saudi arabia where king salman is the custodian of the two holy mosques. he then went to jerusalem where he went to the church of the holy sepulchre, he went to the holy wall the most holy place in judaism and went to the center of the catholic faith.

he has done the religious tour of the three big abrahamic religions. if people can come together against terrorism, iran as well particularly when we talk about israel and saudi arabia. that maybe you can forge a peace and that the ultimate difnsd of that might be peace between israel and the palestinians. i mean, there is a possibilities here. we don't know what the relate of the situation is but a lot of possibilities. very interesting to watch. ainsley: let's be optimistic. great to see him over there thank you. steve: john roberts live in vatican city. also breaking on this wednesday morning. a fox news alert. three more people have just been arrested in connection with the manchester massacre as britain braces for the potential of another terror attack. brian: we're learning about the kill his or her turned arianna grande concert into a blood bath. he was a known isis fanatic. ainsley: greg palkot is live in manchester where the guy lived with brand new details.

good morning, greg. >> hey, folks, that's right. we have new developments in the last hour as you just noted. our sister network sky news arrested three other people in possible connection to this attack. they found them in homes in the southern part of this city. and the other development new figures on the brutality of this attack along with the 22 killed. we now know that 64 people remain hospitalized in this area. 20 remain in critical condition. and many of those sadly are young people. we heard a very dramatic message from prime minister theresa may last night. she says that a new attack could be possible and could be happening very shortly. that's why she is raising the terror threat level in this country to the highest possible critical and putting something like 3800 british troops on stand by and deploying some of them into the streets. and, yes, we are learning more about the attacker. the dead attacker.

he is 22-year-old salman abedy, british born of libyan refugee parents. he comes from a conservative muslim family but various reports say he was radicalized in the last couple of years, that he was on police radar. he ha just recently returned from libya. and there are some reports that he had some contacts with isis in syria. let's hear a little bit more of what theresa may had to say. >> we cannot ignore that there is a wider group of individuals linked to this attack. the threat level should be increased for the time being from severe to critical. this means that their assessment is not only that an attack remains highly likely but that a further attack may be imminent. >> again, this happened at a pop concert. a lot of young people, a lot of young girls there in 8 different area hospitals. some of those victims, fighting for their lives. as we identify slowly but

surely the chilled nine so far that have been identified. an 8-year-old girl. a 15-year-old girl. an 18-year-old young lady just starting her life as well as young parents. some of them were just waiting for their children to come out of concert. the parents were killed the children survived. this is horrendous terror attack like we have seen very infrequently in the past. horrendous stuff. and this city, this country, the world still coming to grips with it. back to you. brian: all right. especially because there is a sense, greg, it's not over. thanks so much greg palkot over in england. it's amazing, this guy was actually spotted by eyewitness. he stood out wearing bright red shirt. kind of tall compared to the rest of the crowd and walking the wrong direction. we know why. she was about 30 feet where he would explode himself. ainsley: one article said he had a piece of luggage and he dropped it there and that was the bomb. steve: he was born in great britain. his parents are from libya.

the french interior ministry says he apparently traveled to syria and had proven links to isis. what is interesting is he apparently returned to libya the past week. he was in libya for three weeks and then came back just this week to mancht. manchester. where this guy lived there were so many people taken up with isis or become isis sympathizer. the stat was within a three mile radius of this guy's house 16 people had tried to join the islamic state. ainsley: that is a problem. the mayor of manchester yesterday said this is business as usual. well, that shouldn't be business as usual. that's a major probable. we talked to zuhdi jasser earlier on our program. people need to wake up. this is a huge problem. listen. >> i don't use the term lone wolf. nobody should use it he is known wolf. is he a pacific idea of wolfs that is a global movement.

the underbelly of which we need to have a revolution against political islam. islamism. this separatist ideology. every time we hear whether it was the boston bombers, the intersan bernardino killers. he 150e78d like a normal man. quiet and religion. his mother taught quran. we need to wake up. we have a problem. the problem is theocratic islamism. brian: but this guy evidently was not hiding in the woodwork. his imam at the mosque said every time he would ridicule isis this guy would look at him salman abedi would look at him with hate. chanting loudly this the streets. imam said he didn't like his sermon at awesome the people going in and out of his house on a regular basis disturbed his neighbors. ainsley: he had that smirk on his face. talked about. so stats. this is unbelievable.

he said in 2006, 20% of british muslims sympathized with the motives of these bombers. in 2007, 20% of the muslims in the u.s. france, great britain and spain. suicide bombings are justified, they said. and then lastly in france, that figure was 40%. and last year 29% of french muslims viewed sharia law higher than they viewed the french law. ryan brian when you come back to syria you should go into 2013 like biosphere until we are clear why you were there, what you were up to and what you are going to do now that you are back. steve: he had been known to mi 5 and comes back from libya this week. it's shocking. brian: jillian, have you other news for us. jillian: breaking right now, isis fighters taking more than a dozen worshipers and a priest hostage in the philippines. extremists first burning down buildings including a school before forcing their way into a catholic church. the terrorists are threatening

to kill the hostages. if the government doesn't recall their decision to impose martial law to combat isis. gunfire still raging at this hour. leaving two soldiers and a police officer dead. a plane packed with people is forced evacuate moments before takeoff when an engine bursts into flames. you can see passengers and police on the tarmac in newark, new jersey, frightening scene there. the united flight crew deploying emergency slides to get everyone off safely. five people suffering minor injuries. passengers later put on another flight to san francisco. the cause of that myer is still unknown president trump hiring a lawyer to represent him in the federal investigation into his campaign's alleged ties to russia. this, despite former cia director john brennan telling lawmakers there is no hard evidence of the trump campaign colluding with russia. >> did evidence exist of collusion, coordination, conspiracy between the trump

campaign and russian state actors at the time you learned of 2016 efforts? >> i don't know whether or not such low lucien, that's your term, such collusion existed. jillian: white house. saying he is unaware of any push back from the president. that's your wednesday morning headlines. steve: thank you very much. still ahead on this wednesday. the gruesome terror attack in england just the latest isis claims to have committed. so where will the savage group strike next? that's the big question. ♪ ♪

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not a rifle, not a car involved, a knife, this is a bomb. are we going to be seeing more of this? >> well, most of the inspired attacks by individuals have really chosen simple types of material like knives as you noted. vehicles. this suggests a more sophisticated attack, which indicates that he likely went to places like libya and syria and trained. we don't know yet whether he conducted training in camps. that's been the historical pattern. if we see more people coming to these places that have trained and have expertise in bomb making, we see more of these types of attacks. ainsley: simple attacks make you think one or two people involved. something this big makes you think it was coordinated. i know you probably can't be so specific in answering this next question, but we want to know where is this going to happen next? any indication of where that might be? >> no. what we know when we look at

past patterns of isis attacks or their current propaganda right now. they are talking about public locations, concert halls, the entrance of airports, markets, these are the areas that they have attacked recently train stations, places very difficult to defend and easy to get people on to. i would expect something along those lines. ainsley: seth, suspects even sad we have to ask that question. after 9/11 will this happen again? in this situation now we are all these years later we know it's going to happen again. it's about preparing. how do we make sure what's happening in europe. all these open borders. they are not vetting. opening their borders to families like this. and this is how they are paid back in return. killing children. how can we make sure it's not going to happen here in the united states? >> well, there are a couple ways. one, we have got to be very careful how we are vetting people coming into this country or leaving and then going to places like libya, syria, and iraq, that may be

conducting training and coming back. ainsley: what's happening in libya? this guy went to libya. his friends are saying he just came back a few days ago. what's going on there? how are they training these guys? >> well, in 2011, after the obama administration was involved in overthrowing the government, there is very little that went into rebuilding the country, so it's deteriorated into a number of militia groups. it's without a doubt the hottest area of jihadist activity in north africa right now there are a lot of training camps across the country including along the mediterranean by groups like isis and al qaeda. people have come in for training and how close it is to europe, easy to get back to. ainsley: would it be wrong to find out who is on these planes coming back from libya landing there in the u.k.? can't we vet them? follow them and find out where they are going and look into their history? thank you so much for being with us, seth. >> thank you so much. ainsley: president trump delivering powerful anti-terror message after the attacks.

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steve: yesterday during our breaking news coverage of what happened in manchester, we showed you a photo that had been circuiting on social media representing some of the people who went missing in the manchester terror attack. it has since been discovered that some those people were not actually missing. apparently the people who claimed they were apparently looking for attention, took advantage of the tragedy and the real victims, those who lost their lives. we apologize for any of the confusion from yesterday.

ainsley: president trump delivering a powerful and tough message in response to the manchester terror attack. listen. >> so many young, beautiful innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers. steve: evil losers. what a sound bite. if you are watching nbc, abc, or cbs would have had no idea the president said that none of the three networks took the speech live. yesterday they had a second chance when he spoke at the israeli museum: that extended to the cables cnn and msnbc as well. ainsley: here is the editor and chief of the daily caller news foundation to talk to us about this. what's your response? >> well, good morning. >> good morning. >> if you are tuning in to the news, you are american, you are trying to figure out what's going on in the world, you should be able to rely on them to transmit the most powerful man in the world's speech and his thinking and his message after a terror

attack on a u.s. ally. and i can't think of a time off the top of my head any time previously where this -- where a speech like this has been ignored. now, there is a lot of whining from a parts of the liberal media you read about it every morning these new studies that come out saying trump voters cut off from information. if you were sitting there in the morning watching any of the big three you missed it completely. they are not even 24 hour news networks. second round msnbc and cnn drop it that's dereliction of duty. steve: if they're not running the breaking news of the president of the united states, in israel, historic visit on the day of a terror attack, what were they running? >> it's pretty amazing, they were talking about russia and mike flynn and narratives that they're looking on building. ainsley: bill cosby. >> bill cosby. talking about anything they could to get away from it what was even more amazing to me was the day before if you turned in to charlie rose and wanted to hear about trump's

major foreign policy speech in saudi arabia what you instead hearing about billie bush and playing old tapes from the campaign and calling it breaking news. it's a total thought bubble. steve: chris, why are they doing that in your estimation? >> i think that if this had ban press conference where they had been able to attack the president or talk about things that they were more interested in talking about, and they are interested in the narrative of russia and flynn and comey. i think we would have seen them air this. especially the 24 hour news networks. they don't get that they weren't able to control the message. they were unwilling to give donald trump access to the american people. because of that people who watch their show missed out on important news and important messaging on american vs. terrorism and the world. steve: there you go. indeed. it was a good speech. both of them we had them live here. ainsley: watch us if you want to hear the president. steve: christopher bedford daily caller thank you very much. >> thank you. steve: breaking news now on this wednesday morning. more arrests tied to the march terror attacks as we learn the terrorist was a devout muslim

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convert people actually to islam but through that process, i discovered that i was being mislead concerning islam and i made a decision years later to follow christ. brian: if islam radicalizes people, i could see why aren't billions of people radicalized? >> certainly there are elements of islam especially in the quran that permits fighting against infidels in general and believe it or not, even commands muslims who are followers of this ideology to fight even against hypocrite muslims. so, in other words, if you are a muslim that stands against the ideology of isis, you are not considered to be a pure muslim anymore and, therefore, you're just an infidel. it's part of that process when you begin to discover it and begin to get indoctrinated through mosques and schooling and memorizing these passages and being told that god will

not be pleased with you unless you carried onto the extreme level of fighting and expanding the agenda of this ideology only then god will be pleased with you. and if you die, there are 72 virgins waiting for you. so it's a win win for them. steve: let's talk a little bit about your personal story. when you lived in saudi arabia, for instance, given how you were taught that the quran wants to you live your life. how did you look at non-muslims? >> unfortunately the quran in general teaches that you non-muslims basically are a step below. in other words, they are second or third class citizens in your mind. so, they were not equal to me. did i not view them in a way that i needed to respect them as humans. and all of this because the more i was myself becomes religious, if you wish, or radicalized, the less i looked at people who are not similar to me.

so that was my view of non-muslims. brian: so i understand if we want to understand, this if there is actually going to be reform in the islamic community, don't look at the leaders. look at the clerics. what are the clerics telling the people? and in this case we understand the cleric noticed that this guy was radicalized, his so you canning eversoyouhisscowline defendedefendcondemned isis andd nothing. >> noticed this behavior and kept it to themselves. that's the whole problem. we need those leaders from within the community to cooperate with the counter terrorism officials to work with them. if, indeed, their intent is to assimilate in these communities. but the problem is what they say is one thing and the behavior and the action is another. steve: any other observations about this suicide bomber? >> >> his behavior was definitely telling. the fact -- aside from the fact that he went to libya and

syria, just the people were noticing that he is changing the growth, when he was starting to grow a beard and at the same time he was chanting the prayer, all of these things are disturbing signs that someone at least should have alerted authority. brian: what part of the quran says you should kill little girls. i'm curious how you can possibly justify that act. >> unfortunately of course there isn't a specific verse that will say kill girls or little people at the same time in these mind these are facilitinfidels.if they were ate concert those are not muslims. there is many in there about going and fight and kill infidels. steve: author of the quran dilemma. ma. we thank you very much for joining us today. >> thank you. brian: meanwhile jillian has other breaking news taking place. jillian: that's right. here is what is happening now. breaking now, details about the innocent victims killed in the manchester terror attack.

10 out of the 22 killed have been identified. the youngest 8-year-old saffie rose rousseau who attended the son sort with her mother and sister. both injured, mother critically. she doesn't know her daughter has been killed yet. kelli brewster sacrificed her niece shielding her from the explosion. a man a hero rushing to save children hurt in the attack. a massive data breach affecting 15 dozen gun owners. thieves hacked into weapons list stealing names and social security numbers. officials believe the attack comes from overseas. hundreds of thousands of foreigners overstayed their visas last year. that's according to the department of homeland security. they came on boats and planes. most of them traveling from canada, mexico, brazil, china,

and india. people overstaying their visas make up to an estimated 40% of the 1 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. how about this? they fought for our freedom and outraged over homeowner's association telling them they can only wave their american flags 23 days out of the year. email sent to residents listing guidelines on how to help maintain the aesthetic of the community listing certain dates flags can be displayed. >> do you plan on taking it down? >> when i'm dead. jillian: tom wilder says you don't mess with his flag. i'm sure that's not the last we are going to hear of that look at your headlines this morning. brian. steve: i wonder what those 23 days are. thank you, jillian. brian: 23 minutes before the top of the hour. one issue, pope francis and donald trump see eye to eye on and that is stopping isis.

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don't wait. ask your veterinarian about apoquel today. apoquel. it's itch relief worth barking about. bark steve: fox news alert. just a new video in to the channel. here you can see the president and first lady of the united states inside the sistene chapel. part of the pataskala palace ofe where the pope lives. see the hands of god. ainsley: last judgment. steve: seen a million times. ainsley: absolutely beautiful. if you have a chance to go to rome you have to visit the vatican. it is the smallest country in the world. believe it or not, it's home to the pope. and headquarters to the roman catholic church. brian: used to be home to father jonathan.

i'm sure there is a plaque somewhere for you father jonathan. ainsley: why are we talking about it. brian: do you ever get tired of going to places like that when you were living there. >> i really don't it feels like home after you have been there for a long time. just income rome. but also, it feels like home because all of those beautiful paintings are really stories of the bible. and it feels like, gosh, this is what life is all about this the is story of our existence and purpose and where we are going to end up, hopefully lesson. ainsley: i remember when we took the tour they said michael angelo painted them on scaffolding on his back. >> that's right. the sistene chapel is usually filled with hundreds of people going through rather quickly. so it's kind of noisy. this is a very special opportunity to be there alone. and it's also where they elect the new pope. that's where all the cardinals go in to and make big decisions. brian: i watched you this morning. and i know we were kind of wondering in anticipation what

it's going to be like from. what we know now without a read out. how do you think the president is doing? how do you think it went? >> i think it was fascinating. donald trump was not known before he became president to be a very religious person. that's not making a judgment of him. but that wasn't how he was known. and here he is going from visit the great leaders of islam, of judaism and of christianity. and he is seeing, i think, is he getting a very sobering experience of how important religion is also on the level of politics and peace an conflict. and i think it's probably a huge and very impactful thing in his own life. steve: sure, donald trump is a capitalist and the pope has been described many different ways. he is the man of the people. >> i have never heard him described as a capitalist. steve: when it comes to, for instance, the wall, which donald trump talked a lot about during the campaign, the pope took issue with that. >> yes. there is probably a little bit

of uncomfortable start. let's put it that wait a minute he was on the plane and journalists asked him, asked pope francis at the time. this is when president trump was candidate trump. he said what about people who are pushing for the wall, the wall? and pope francis, without mentioning donald trump's name said well people, this is not a direct quote he said people who are only building walls and are never building bridges, that person isn't christian. i think he said more as intellectual thing that as a christian we're supposed to build bridges between people. but, from the guy who is known as being one who never judges, remember, who am toy judge it, came across as very harsh. my guess is there would have been some sort of talk about that hey, listen, i didn't mean that you are not a christian because donald trump is a christian. he is he a baptized christian and he says he believes. and he has christian faith. so pope francis has every reason to believe he is a christ ainsley: they talked about coming together and they do

share the ideology that radical islamic terrorism needs to end and he discussed that with all of the leaders that he met with throughout the world from, a christian perspective, from a godly perspective, what can you share with us, some message to make us feel like we can take heart? >> it seems like they have come to some sort of agreement. i think there will be a read out from the white house. some sort of agreement specifically with regards to isis and radical terror. we will see what actually comes out. two and a half years ago, who was the one tell the world, the world leaders you better start doing something to isis that is taking over iraq? who was it? steve: francis. >> francis. you got that brian, francis. i know you love the guy. brian: listen. he is a very big critic of america. >> absolutely. pope francis was saying to the world, use force if necessary that was to the ambassador of the united nations. why is nobody doing anything in iraq? isis is destroying killing all

these christians? brian: should have called president obama great friends and president obama is the one that let everything become the wild west in the middle east. >> thank god soon of a president obama did start getting more active against isis. unfortunately it was too slow. brian: syria was pulverized by that time and we put advisors into iraq. that's hardly the big action that pope francis wanted. >> they also agreed that the united states should not be involved -- i'm not saying just meeting but just generally the west should not be involved in nation building all over the world. steve: sure. >> both of them agree with that there is a lot of agreement. brian: protocol life. >> they did talk about that in the release today. steve: talking about how some in the italian press said it's distasteful that the president of the united states had a coat unbuttoned at one point when he was in the presence of the pontiff. but, when it comes to, for instance, head scarfs which

both melania and ivanka wore is, that mandatory or is it suggested? >> it's not mandatory. it's -- there have been plenty of people who have gone in front of the holy father, even in an official visit like this without the scarf. but it just shows that they have chosen to follow that protocol as a sign of respect. it really goes back to biblical language of when you are in the presence of god. not that the pope is god. when you are in a sacred place that saint paul talked about women using a head cover. ainsley: it's beautiful. you get a chance to wear a mantilla. it looks so beautiful on ivanka and melania. we did have to cover our arms and legs. when you take the tour you can buy the covering there. >> that's right. very small price. brian: some gift shops around the vatican. am i right? >> i'm glad you got to see that brian.

ainsley: thank you so much, father. >> i appreciate it. steve: thank you, father. >> thank you. brian: terror investigation in manchester developing by the minute this morning. police making new arrests as we are learning new details about the terrorists. ainsley: mayor of minneapolis delivering her state of the city address inside a mosque. what happened when our pete hegseth tried to talk to her. >> didn't call out make sure they are driving out the radicals in their midst. >> i have got to go. >> you mentioned donald trump. >> i have got to go. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation if my plans change. visit booking.com. booking.yeah.

♪ steve: the mayor of minneapolis betsy hodges gave her annual state of the city address yesterday and it was delivered inside a mosque. and she devoted the official

government speech to bashing president trump. brian: all right. our own pete hegseth was there. he was able to talk to the mayor right after the speech. but it was not easy getting a word. in he joins us now. hey, pete. >> no, it was not easy. i'm a little stuffed up because i have been chasing mayors around a who refuse to talk to us. as we noted on the program earlier this week, she is giving a speech in a mosque, which you know it, of leftist are usually very keen on pointing out separation of church and state. we wanted to ask her about that. we also figured she would use the opportunity to bash president trump and of course talk about global climate change. we there were in the mosque and attempted to ask her the questions that she refused to answer. we put in two formal requests for it. here is how it went down. >> cities like minneapolis and the people who live in them, are squarely in donald trump's sights. his agendas of oppression and regression and suppression have no place in minneapolis

and we are standing firm in our resistance to them. when donald trump comes after any part of our community, he will find 419,000 maine resident419 minneapolisstandinge kind i can support. >> mayor why would like to ask you questions. >> free country can i ask questions. >> we told thawnchts we asked and she refused to answer. >> mayor, why did you hold this in a mosque? would you do it in a church? >> thank you, great to be here. >> made a statement holding this in a mosque. >> yeah. >> as many in the progressive left say make hay about separation of church and state. why a mosque and would you do it in a church? >> i'm giving it in a mosque today because our muslim community supports us. >> do you think that's a conflict with separation of church and state or mosque and state? >> no. >> would you give an official state speech in a church from a pulpit? >> i have given official speeches in churches before. >> like the state of the city? >> i don't know that i have

given the state of the city in a church before. our muslim community needs a lot of support right now because one community should not be held responsible for the reprehensible acts of a few members of that community. >> you didn't call out the community of muslims to make sure they are rooting out, drive them out the radicals that may be in their midst. >> do you a good job of that pete. i have got to go. >> donald trump gave a speech in saudi arabia that was well received. we had a chance talk to the mayor briefly. although she has a cohort of people that love to bump into us, she answered a couple of questions. not very directly. wanted to ask about donald prest trump. she walked away before we could do so. i think it was interesting gave a speech in donald trump. he had people rhetoric. he was well received place keeps the two holiest shrines in islam. steve: i don't know that she wanted to talk to you much, peter. >> she sure didn't. what she did do is sent out a fundraising facebook post using my name and fox news channel so they are happy to use us as a wedge but not willing to actually talk to us

and engage on the issues, very briefly skimmed over the issue of radicalization and as you both know here in minneapolis there has been a serious problem of somali muslim youth going to fight with al shabaab and isis including active terrorist cells that federal judge believe exist here. there are real issues in this community that she could be addressing and doesn't. and to use -- to be in a mosque and not use that as an opportunity is a real missed opportunity. we wanted to ask those questions. she didn't want to answer them. brian: does she need the votes. is the muslim community so strong that they can change the tide of an election? >> there is a large somali muslim population in minneapolis. she needs the politically correct love. her whole speech was about one minneapolis which is great. but if you have got radicals in your midst and you are not driving them out that's a real problem. i have a problem with the double standard. we will checked into it. she has had events in churches but certainly never an official speech. this announcement for it went out on official mayoral letterhead. it was the state of the city

address, mandated by the law here in minneapolis. she hasn't likely wouldn't do the same in a church. i think that's a double standard. ainsley: maybe she will in the future. steve: i was going to say, this is the kind of speech though that you normally give at city hall, isn't it? >> that's right. >> that addition is to do it outside of city hall. but not necessarily in a house of worship. ainsley: especially after the terrorist attack in london, you think she would just keep it neutral and do it at city hall. maybe she will have another speech in a church. >> we shall see. steve: okay, honey and lemon and tea, pete, will help you with your voice. >> i got a little bit already. steve: good man. brian: i remember i had that in kuwait, when i was there. and they sedentary gas. steve: pete, tear gas, if you have some. brian: open up your whole sinuses for a month. more on top stories that the president is visiting with the pope and manchester terror attacks. these are the two stories we are all over.

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ainsley: a fox news alert. breaking this morning police in manchester arresting three more people in connection with the bombing at monday night's arianna grande's concert. that means four people are now in custody, including the terrorists who blew himself up. his brother who is a 23-year-old. brian: by the way the number of people injured is escalating. 22 people are dead. many children, dozens more as i mentioned were injured than we thought. let's bring in former governor of arkansas, fox news contributor and former g.o.p. presidential candidate governor huckabee. governor, i'm sure you are watching with great interest of the president's tour.

meanwhile our heads were on a swivel as we look at manchester. what do you find the most disturbing about this terror attack? >> i think it's the target, brian. the fact that these monsters would target a bunch of young teenager girls. if you are in war with somebody, did you go after the combatants. you go after the people who can do you harm. these girls couldn't harm anyone. they were just kids. and to intentionally try to kill the most vulnerable among us is just unspeakable and uinsufferable. 4:00 a.m. our time president trump came out and said he is not going to say monster. is he going to say they're losers. >> well, i agree with the president you can call them losers, you can call them animals. they are subhuman. this is not what human beings do. even the most war like human beings may make war against

other people, but they don't take it out on people who can't defend themselves and ambush them with this kind of terrorist coward coward disattack. that's what people around the globe find repulsive about these acts of islamic terror. they are not intended to harm the people who are the political leaders. they are north intended to harm the people who are people of authority. they are intended to harm the weak, the vulnerable. the innocent, and as a result of that, they go to places where people should feel safe, at a concert. at a sporting event. that makes it even more compounded. steve: sure, governor, theresa may, the u.k. prime minister yesterday said a second terror attack imminent. she changed the threat level to critical. that's the highest stage that they could possibly be at. and ultimately, it sounds like, according to the home secretary, it seems like this guy did not act alone.

so the people of great britain, in particular, are on pins and needles, we have talked to our families and our children are worried about things as well. what's interesting though in the wake of the arianna grande attack, now it seems that the fans of justin bieber are begging him to cancel his tour because they're worried about their safety. they're worried that even the fact that they know it is a target they cannot be protected. >> and that's really the object of terror is to cause us to completely change our lifestyles, to make us live under the threat of these bullies who make us basically hide and hibernate and run for cover in our daily lives because they create just enough fear and anxiety that people are afraid to do the things they would normally do. you know, i'm standing here in israel. one of the things i think the israelis have taught us is don't cower to the terrorists.

if there is an attack in israel, in a cafe at noon, by 4:00 they have mopped up all of the blood and they are open for business. not because of the money. they are open for business to basically say you are not going to close us down and make us stop. that's important to do. brian: i hardly can stand these politicians that get up after no matter how high or low from what nation going to stand strong together, going to find out who do d. this. what about your security measures? listen to these experts in israel. they have people walking through audiences dressed as fans. they have metal detectors all over u.s. i can't go to a nick game even though no one wants to see a nick game without going through a metal detector and emptying your pockets. here they are in manchester, eyewitnesses say there was no protection. parents have to find out no matter tickets how are you getting there, they have to find out what the arenas are doing in terms of security. don't you agree? >> totally agree, brian. one of the things that's very

trouble something leaders will say if you see something, say something. yet, if you say something, you are going to be called a bigot. you will be called out because you were politically incorrect. that's the reason a lot of people don't say anything even when they see something because they are afraid if they do, someone is going to accuse them of being an islamophobe or, you know, somehow being a bigot. and nobody wants to be called that nobody wants to be a hater. as a result, because ever the some high horse statements some the leaders make we're actually less safe. ainsley: you know as a pastor and some of these you see in the christian, among christians you have some people that pull away and they start their own type of christianity and then they get brainwashed and pull a few people we have seen that in texas years ago. in this community, muslim community, not that all of them are like that, it's just those radical islamic, there are a few of them. it's not all of them, of course, it's not even the majority of them. and we had a former muslim who has turned christian and he

talks about how it happens. listen to this and we will get your reaction. >> of course, there isn't a specific verse that will say kill girls or little people but at the same time in his mind these are infidels and even if they were muslims attending the concert, in his mind those are not pure muslims anymore. there are many commands in there to go and fight and kill and terrorize the infidels. the quran in general teaches that you non-muslims basically are a step below. in other words, they are second or third class citizens in your mind. ainsley: so we have heard, governor, that these are individuals that they really are the losers as president trump would say. that they weren't accepted among their group and threaten they see these videos. thee recruitment videos of isis saying you are going to be hailed a hero, die a hero if you come and join us. that's appealing to them. how do you get into their minds and say this is not the case? >> i think we have a to remember all of these people are recruited to believe there is some high and noble purpose

that they're serving by doing. this let's not forget that the only way they can be driven to the point that they're willing to just kill people and kill themselves to do it is because they believe that in their religion there is going to be a great reward. people don't do these kind of crazy things because they think it will earn them an ice cream cone. they think it's going to give them eternal life. we have to combat and i know it's painful for a lot of people to accept. we have to combat the fact that this is a religious fervour. this is a fanaticism that is based on a religious attitude attitude utterly perverted. absolutely beyond insane. economic or sociographic issue. it will never work. so, get to the heart of it. brian: two of your favorite people met today. the pope and the president. and we know that they locked heads. subtle way a few months ago.

that what do you expect to emerge from this meeting before we even got the read out. we understand the president is very positive on it. >> one of the things that the president has accomplished on this trip is put to complete silence the critics who said that donald trump is not ready for prime time on the foreign stage, handling foreign policy. that he lacks the experience to do good state craft, look at what's happened already on this trip. he has warmed relations with people with whom we had frosty relations. he has gone and he has been the toast of the town in places where it's tough to be the toast of the town, like riyadh. he has warned the relationships with the pope. and they were a little tense. let's be honest over the last few months. what donald trump has displayed a incredible ability to be the kind of statesman and the kind of leader of the united states that shows strength but also is willing to work with people, even people who have criticized him in the past. steve: yeah.

currently the president is meeting with the prime minister of italy and we think he will be emerging from that shortly. and we are going to have some video. however, the pool was taken in to the meeting with the prime minister, within the last half hour or so to get a picture and julie pace from the associated press, asked the president how the meeting with the pope went. and he said, the president said great. he is something, mr. trump said of the pope. we had a fantastic meeting we are liking italy very much, we are liking italy very, very much and it was an honor to be with the pope. so that's the kind of public statement that you would expect. meanwhile, yesterday, i understand you were actually in attends at one of the president's speeches in israel, correct? >> i was at the speech at the israel museum. it was a good speech. and i think that there are many positives that are coming out of donald trump's visit to israel. not the least of which is that he was the first sitting president to go to the western

wall. now, let me be fair and very honest there were a couple of disappointments. it would have been a great time for him to announce that is he keeping his campaign promise to move the embassy to jerusalem. the true capital of the jewish state it would have been a great time for him to acknowledge the 50th anniversary the jubilee year of the reunification of jerusalem which is going on this very week. so all of us thought that the president coming here this week in this particular time was going to be a great stage to say the embassy gets moved, and i recognize jerusalem as the undivided capital. so i thought that he hit a single. he could have hit a home run. i think it's a missed opportunity. and i hope that when the june 1st deadline comes, that he does not sign a waiver and he moves the embassy. brian: king abdullah of jordan asked him not to. >> i know that king abdullah asked him not to.

the american people voted for him because he said he would. the thought is well, it will make some of the palestinians angry. they are already angry. you are not going to make them happier. nothing is going to make them so they are clang. so i just think that it's the right thing to do. it's the right time to do it. and this is a president who has never been afraid to say and to do the things that reflect his true feelings. i hope he does it. steve: you are right about that. now that he has seen it with his own two eyes. who knows. maybe that's phase ii. mike huckabee joining us today from the beautiful city of jerusalem. mike, thank you very much. ainsley: how many times have you been there? i have lost count. i have been here five times since last september. i have been coming here for 44 years since 1973. quite a few times. ainsley: that's great. thank you for your work. brian: probably gets upgraded with all the miles he has automatically. steve: sit in the back with us. brian: really? i don't think so. ainsley: let's hand it over to

jillian who will start with a fox news alert. jillian: good wednesday morning to you as well. isis fighters taking more than a dozen worshipers and a priest hostage in the flip means. extremists first burning down buildings, including a school before forcing their way into a catholic church. the terrorists are threatening to kill the hostages. if the government doesn't recall their decision to impose martial law to many combat isis. gunfire still raging at this hour. leaving two soldiers and a police officer dead. president trump hiring a lawyer to represent him in the federal investigation into his campaign's alleged ties to russia. this, despite former cia director john brennan, telling lawmakers he isn't aware of any evidence of collusion. >did evidence exist of collusion, coordination, conspiracy between the trump campaign and russian state actors at the time you learned of 2016 efforts? >> i don't know whether or not

such collusion, that's your term, such collusion existed. jillian: brennan did say he saw quote information and intelligence that was worthy of investigation. and that he could provide more information in closed session. those are a look at your headlines on this wednesday. back to you guys. ainsley: thanks, jillian. brian: 117 minutes until the bottom of the hour. the president of the united states and the pope. just how different are these two men when it comes to economics. stuart varney is here and he knows how much money the pope has. introducing coppertone whipped. new sun protection like you've never seen or felt. it absorbs quickly. and leaves your skin feeling soft and smooth while helping to prevent sun damage. new coppertone whipped. because protection matters. there's nothing more than my vacation.me so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation if my plans change.

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he revels in his wealth. pope francis is the other side of the coin. he is, i'm going to say a moralist and a collectivist. president trump says i am very irish. i like my money. is he brash. is he a capitalist. he believes that capitalism delivers prosperity and frankly i'm on his side in that argument. pope francis does the other way. is he from the are argentinian. steve: is he from the street. >> he has the argentinian tradition whereas a very strong state in charge of redistributing the wealth that the crony crony capitalism and argentinian government in the past has not stolen already. day and night. i think capitalism delivers prosperity. the pope believes that you should be aware of the poor, that you should redistribute wealth. is he a collectivist and i don't think that delivers prosperity. day and night, huge difference. ainsley: so interesting to hear this morning when we are talking about the differences

and how oh the pope did smile and did you see them shake hands because you think from a religious perspective there is no judgment and he is a man of the people and he represents the church to when those doors close do you think they did find that common ground? >> i would think so because there is common ground between the two people here, the two men. the common ground is the good of the people. they have an argument about how to deliver the best for the people that is the goal. the good of the people. that's my position. brian: help bring down communism. they did say donald trump did, as president of the united states, that will never forget what they discussed. i cannot wait to find out what they discuss one on one. >> yes, i would like to hear that i'm not sure we ever will hear that. i'm not critical of pope francis. the man is a profoundly spiritual man. a profoundly good man. he has the heart of a saint.

saint francis, for heaven's sake. that's who this man is. is he a good and great man. i just disagree with him on how to achieve his goals of welfare for all the people. steve: absolutely. it is interesting though, when you look at the optics of the meeting this morning. it wasn't a very long meeting, about half an hour. when the president went in with the pope. a little icy on both sides. not many smiles. but when they came out there were a lot of smiles. >> there have been harsh things said on both sides about the wall. ainsley: that's so funny. the president said harsh words. brian: the pope started it. he did. stuart varney we are very different people and we have come together when it comes to ties. >> that's more of a lemon yellow i would say. brian: more expensive. steve: stuart's is more canary. ains apes you are president trump and you are the pope. brian: go in peace, sir. >> i'm the pope? brian: 9 to noon on the fox business network. >> please.

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that here is one of those weapons that allah had provide so that al qaeda could discourage and punish those people who are resisting the imposition of true islam. in their minds, they don't see it as cowardice. they don't see it as horrific act. they see it as something to create enough horror and terror to be able to intimidate those people who would oppose them. ainsley: so how can we end this type of terror for good and strike real fear into the hearts of isis? steve: great question. let's ask dakota meyer united states marine corps vet and recipient of the medal of honor. he joins us today from las vegas. dakota, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> how do we strike real fear into isis? >> i mean, look, i have been saying this was going to happen for a long time. just when is it coming here. the only way you get this point across is when we release the gates of hell on them and we go over and we

start making war so ugly that, guess what? their recruitment video it's not cool to join isis anymore. at some point we will have to do this. this label something a lone wolf attack. this saying oh it's not connected. this and that. that's not it. i mean, that's not the solution anymore. you can't just ignore this problem because it's going to come here. ainsley: are you frustrated because it seems like every time this president wants to do something, congress holds him back from it or are you optimistic? >> no, i mean i'm optimistic. the only thing that i'm optimistic about on this situation is that we have a president, you know, think whatever you want about his politics, whatever this and that. you know, but here is what i will tell you. at least we have a president that's in place that's not going to allow us to be the victims. you can guarantee is he going to do whatever it is going to take. no matter if it's the most popular thing in the court of public opinion, is he going to do what's right to protect america. that's the good thing we have on our side right now. steve: dakota the way you put that it sounds like the you are taking a swipe at the man

who presented you with the medal of honor president obama. were you not satisfied obviously with his execution of the war on terror during his eight years? >> i mean, absolutely not. i mean, he was too busy worrying about what everybody thought of him instead of doing what was right. we have seen that for eight years we stood by and watched attacks, you know, across the globe on their own people and really what have we done about it? i mean, nothing. you see we have a president in place right now that has leadership in place who is going to put a strategy together who i think are really going to go after isis this time and do something about it but we have to. i mean, we have to stop you know fighting wars with politics and, you know, political agendas and go over there and just make it ugly. we have to make war so ugly that nobody wants to fight it anymore. and then afterwards we start building back what we need to build back. first we have to go get rid of these. these people are just like -- you heard them. they are just like rats going after -- you can't negotiate

with these types of people. there is only way to get rid of this type of evil and that's by killing them. ainsley: how do you do that when they have all, you know, it used to be that they were in one area but thousand president obama over the last years, you are right, he wasn't tough on, this so now they have dispersed into other areas of the u.k. some of them are here in the united states. we know that for a fact. so, have we -- do d. we wait too long? is did too late? >> no, i mean, look, it's never too late. i think that it's -- i think the good thing that we have that's different than other countries like europe is that we have or, you know, we have the right to bear arms and we have our own weapons these people are not going to attack place where people will defend themselves. they are noting about cowards. steve: that's the part that makes it so diabolical. this particular guy, the suicide bomber did at the conclusion of a young girl's

concert, arianna grande, the kids had a great couple of hours, watching somebody they really admired from a musical point of view, and then what does he do? when they are on the way home, he tries to kill as many as he possibly can. >> absolutely. and he was effective at what he was doing. so now i mean, when is going to be enough for us to say, you know what? let's let these guys go over and take care of business? what is it going to take? i mean, what is it going to take for us to go over and handle business the right way? you know, let's bring journalists with us. video. get it. let people see. let the world see how they're going to be held accountable. and if they still want to join, then that's on them. ainsley: dakota meyer, thanks so much. thanks for your service. >> thank you. steve: thank you, indeed. we just heard from that medal of honor recipient. up next, we will talk to a journalist in the united kingdom on why she is so sick and tired of the typical p.c. response to what happened in manchester.

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>> we cannot ignore that there is a wider group of individuals linked to this attack. the threat level should be increased for the time being from severe to critical. this means that their assessment is not only that an attack remains highly likely but that a further attack may be imminent. steve: british authorities frantically hunting for perhaps more accomplices to monday's terror attack as the u.k. prime minister theresa may warns of another attack. it could be imminent. ainsley: joining us live from london daily mail.com. global columnist katie hopkins. good morning to you, katie. >> good morning. ainsley: good morning. very impressed with your article in the daily mail online. i would like to read a little bit of it so we can talk about it so our audience who probably hasn't had a chance to read it you were commenting on the mayor of manchester, he

said it's time to get back to business as usual and you said i want to scream at him. business as usual? business as usual? tell that to the mother of 16-year-old georgeiana someone slaughtered her most special thing the tiny baby she carried, birthed, equipped with all the things she could protect her from the world smiling at her loveliness as she became a young woman. you say it's business as usual in the dead never get to carry on as normal. did you go on to say the next time it could be my daughter, my child. why did you write that. >> i think, yeah, thank you for reading that. that column is daily mail.com. but i feel as a mother and that's really one of the truths i want to tell is i may work in the kind of media game but i am ultimately the mother of two little girls 12 and 11 and boy age 8. i knelt at the end of my bed yesterday morning and i wanted to be ill because of the news that i just heard, you know, and that's throughout the day. we then had little 8-year-old

saffie, she died. i know the news teams i worked went home in tears because of the truths they have had to read that we don't get to see, too horrible to share. and what i find so awful for this country is that we have leaders who say we will -- this is business as usual. we will carry on as normal. and i think what we're starting to see is jinx in that. no, this is not normal. no, this is not business as usual. no we are not strong. no we are not united and still theresa may says terrorists will never win. and i think many of us feel like well, if this is them losing we really don't want to see them winning. and i think we can honestly say we don't stand united now. the only thing we can be united about is that we need to demand action like yowrs last guest brilliantly put. the other thing i wanted to share the truth in my in mail box.

they won't go out. men texting me they won't take their wives out. they won't risk their children. those are the real vigil in this country. not the propaganda you are seeing of state making heart gestures to the sky. the real vigil are people inside their homes with small babies that they're frightened to take out. this country 21st century another attack is imminent. i wonder how billing that gulf is leaders say we are stronger, we are defiant versus the fact we are going to have tanks along our streets any day soon. we are not defiant. we are not strong. we are weak and we just let a jihadi just returned from libya and possibly syria back to the u.k. we are not allowed to call him an islamic terrorist. you are not allowed to use the term islam in relation to him. brian: is that true? >> we have to call him evil. you will hear in the vocabulary being used.

no one identifies him a as islamic terrorist. it's about making this nebulous thing this evil. which means you can't do anything about it because you can't identify it properly. and i think we're saying no. we want to hear the truth. this is islamic terrorism. and we need to start fighting back. brian: who are you speaking for? is this just katie hopkins speaking or do you think there are other people in britain are getting that fed up to stop taking it on the chin and it doesn't mean tanks in the streets it, means don't let the guy from syria back in without questioning and surveilling or back in at all? >> >> absolutely. i would never ever dream of saying that i speak for britain. i see the lefties, the liberals do that all the time i speak for britain. no one speaks for britain. i do speak for the voices that can no longer be heard because they have been silenced by the pc threatened them with arrest. i have been threatened for investigation for speaking out like this. it's no problem for me. if that's what they need to do to silence me. they can carry on.

i do speak for people who recognize we are making choices in this country. we chose to let a jihad back in and we chose, therefore, for our little girls to be slaughtered. we choose to protect the human rights of jihadis, 3,000 of them are roaming those streets because their human rights matter more defending that over our small babies. many mothers like me, many fathers, many normal people, perhaps, feel we have had enough now. we are tired of buying in to that narrative that we're strong and the jihadis are weak. no. we have been knocked down. we have been trampled on. and i think the general population is fed up with being treated so awfully seeing our little ones slaughtered just to look after the rights of these terrorists that want to kill us. steve: katie, in great britain, there is a famous saying keep calm and carry on. you say you shouldn't be calm, we shouldn't carry on. it's time to do something about this. because when you talk about the people who have contacted

you and say my kids are afraid to go out. we're not going to go shopping. we are not going to go out for dinner. essentially and we have heard this a number of times. >> absolutely. steve: when terrorists are able to strike that kind of fear into the hearts of people they are targeting, they win. >> absolutely. what i'm seeing, people leaking to me things they have been sent. school teachers being told this isn't about islam. this is not the quran and also this is a drive to increase reporting of hate crimes. so it says we will not tolerate hate. please report hate. so we will see in the next couple of weeks reports of a spike in hate crime. i guarante think what we also heard yesterday was a man saying we will, leader of the greater manchester police force, we will not tolerate hate crime in the u.k. and i think for many of us we are saying hold on. we will tolerate the slaughter of innocent 8-year-old. beautiful little saffie but we won't tolerate hate. we have our priorities all

wrong. what i'm saying is to great britain, we now need to stand united but united against terror. we will stand united in calling for action. demanding a response. we want jihadists out of this country or locked up. they cannot have rights over our sons and daughters. brian: i sense that belgium and france agree. the cadence of attacks is picking up. the carnage is growing. and nothing seems to be done. it doesn't even seem like there were metal detectors in the biggest theater in europe. that is a travesty. >> it is a travesty. i certainly wouldn't be allowing my children to go to any big gathering. i'm not one to be easily, you know, run over as it were. but i would not let my children loose right now in the city. i walked here this morning. i walked past a big group of students, foreign students and all i could think was oh god, that's a big group of kids to be in one place. oh, what are they doing there. why are they there? behind them was a police van. there is a lot of police

presence. it feels frightening here in the u.k. it feels like we are under attack. and what really breaks my later is that we have let this happen. we have invited these soldiers of a religion on to our streets. 7 more million waiting on the african coast to come. and we will welcome them over with our open borders. it destroys me that this country that i love so much that i wanted to fight for and defend has been allowed to you fall at the hands of politicians who still won't call this for what it is. this is islamic terror. and we need to fight back. ainsley: katie, you hate to tell people to not go out and enjoy their lives because the terrorists win and they have affected us and we don't want to go to concerts. we do think about this especially as mothers. now when we see kids in big groups. what have you told your daughters? what message do we need to be telling our kids? >> absolutely. well, i am starting to equip them with the things i think they need to know. so at breakfast yesterday. they saw me being very upset. they heard the news.

they heard about a bomb made of ball bearings of nuts and bolts. they were asking me about it. this is 11-year-old and 12-year-old and 8-year-old. they were saying why would a man put nuts and bolts into a bomb. i was saying it causes more injury to more people. the children said i would rather be shot than killed by ball bearing as a monday my 8-year-old said i would rather be shot quickly. that's a conversation. brian: nice breakfast conversation. steve: unrvel indeed. katie hopkins joins us from london from the daily mail.com. thank you very much. great perspective. >> thank you for having me. thank you. steve: it's about 18 minutes before the top of the hour on this very busy wednesday. we have a fox news alert. it's a trend we have seen all over and over again. is there really a fool proof fuf way to defend soft target isis. soft target trend next.

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♪ brian: man manchester suicide bomber identified as salman abedi killed 22 and injured dozens, i think the number is over 100 now setting off ied around one of the concert's exits. it was unclear if he was inside and even had a ticket. this follows a terrorism trend where attackers target the areas before security checkpoints raising new concerns about soft targets in the u.s. here to explain is the former supervisor for the new york district attorney's criminal court unit and played a pivot toll role in the 2014 yiewrt situation with the super bowl at metlife stadium. first off when you hear about how the british approach security in the metropolitan area. a little different than us. >> no no question. no question, brian. we got a lot of heat, i remember when the planning at the super bowl giants stadium people saying how inconvenient

it was going to be and how much time it was going to cost spenders because they pushed the perimeter back. pushing the perimeter back that far even though they had so many threats against that venue not one thing happened. they were able to successfully screen the undercarriage of every vehicle and properly check all bags before they were allow you had in. brian: this guy, be clear, this wasn't a guy with a vest. >> correct. brian: he didn't even have a backpack, he had a bag. >> everyone was talking suicide bomber. suicide bombers strap. he was not strapped. he was carrying a bag. think about how we transition to the united states. when we go to venues and bring our families to venues and somebody asks let me look inside your bag are they really check for anything or take a cursory look and move on. if they really checked his bag, it begs the question what are the qualifications of the person doing that screening? that's the thing we need to be looking at. brian: suicide bomber go off prematurely. carrying a bag that's not how a suicide bomber operates. >> absolutely correct.

it's a different profile. pedigree of the individual that's going to plant an ied as opposed to someone that is going to strap two entirely different things. brian brian i go to an event and need a ticket. looks like is he in the foyer area. not clear he needed a ticket at that point. concert over, people coming out. he walks in bright red shirt carrying a bag. i don't know what's suspicious about that. could that slip by american security. >> let's yankee stadium. i'm familiar with that when the game is over, you still can't get in. they shut access down at that point. so, you know, it comes down to policy and procedure. it comes down to us accepting a different role with respect to security. and that's just not moving -- move the perimeter back but it's also crisis management from that particular stage. brian: also we understand, too. the brother has been detained at least maybe arrested. they expect they're on the highest alert possible in britain. do you think this -- does this look to you like a cell? do you expect more arrests today? >> yes, and yes. and i will tell you why.

when you look at the composite of the ordnance that was used. he was cooked. taught out who make it. no question why that ventricle you'll and why that particular concert. the demographic of those that were attending and why at that particular time and why at that particular location. he was coached and he was trained. other people are going to be arrested. not just today but going forward. remember, brian, you and i have talked about this before. we look at london. london has more cctv coverage than any city in the world. they are forensically going to look back trace who he met with cars he got. in modes of transportation he took. they are going to investigate all those people. so, and the brits are really really good at this. brian: right. >> methodical. more arrests are going to be made. we will find not surprised if you find he is connected to a local cell. brian: just a hit there in march with a guy stopping and stabbing and running people over. feel opeople of england are undr siege right now. they got that sense anyway. paul, thanks so much.

>> always a pleasure. brian: 11 minutes now before the top of the hour. still ahead on this show, president trump and pope francis. vatican overnight. exchange ago few words, special gifts. and something that president trump says he will never forget. fox news religious correspondent lauren green tells us why the pontiff hopes his presence will do all the talking for him. -- presents will do all the talking for him. and is strong enough to stop up to 98% of the sun's damaging uv rays. coppertone. because protection matters. on mattress firmness? fortunately there's a bed where you both get what you want every night. enter sleep number and the

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♪ jillian: good wednesday morning. welcome back to "fox & friends." breaking right now, brand new details about the innocent victims killed in the manchester terror attack. 10 out of the 22 killed have now been identified. the youngest 8-year-old savvy rose rossos who attended the arianna grande concert with her mother and sister. both are injured. her mother critically.

she is in a coma and does not know her daughter has been killed yet. and stories of heroism amid tragedy. we are learning about a brave aunt kelly brewster who sacrificed her life shielding her niece from the explosion. the claiming the obama administration used the nsa to secretly and illegally collect information on americans. a violation of its own established rules. according to circa, the agency admits some of its intelligence collecting violated the americans fourth amendment rights, going back several years. the obama administration reportedly revealing their wrongdoing just before president trump was elected. and we're told it has since suspended those illegal searches. brian: back with a fox news alert now. president trump meeting with pope francis at the vatican. it happened overnight. ainsley: the powerful leaders exchanging gifts. so what did they give each other and what do those gifts

mean? steve: let's talk to fox news ledge just correspondent lauren green who joins us on the couch this morning. history in vatican city. >> history in the making because the pope is with the president and donald trump, you know, this is the accidental president. the year ago the catholics were saying is he not fit to be president and now he is with the pope. brian: didn't he win the catholic vote. >> he actually created catholic advisory panel many people forget about because they talked about the evangelicals he actually targeted catholics as well. this meeting really really about get to know you there has been a lot made about the conflict between the president and the pope from afar about immigration, about the issue of refugees. but this pope is all about finding common ground. and the key is the gift he gave to president trump, which are his three major writings. this will really do the talking for him. the first one is joy of the gospel. this is about finding joy in the core of christianity, about the real faith. when he said no christian, no true christian would build a

wall, that will do his talking for him. steve: sure. >> have you got another one which is the joy of love. this is about the family. this is about sexual mor morass. conflict within the church but it got a lot of press outside. and then also the big one the care of our common home. this was the one the enkick lick call on the environment. steve: that's the one if any of them are going to be political that would be the one. >> the president did say i will read them. brian: divorce. is that a dig? he has got a few divorces. >> the thing is this book is not about taking him to the wood shed. it's about persuasion. is he going to let his writings do his talking for him. and the real work between the vatican and president is going to be did with the meetings afterwards with the secretary of state and with the secretary of relations. ainsley: religious tour. he met with leaders from -- representing different religions around the world. thank you so much, lauren.

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ainsley: a fox news alert breaking this morning. police in manchester arresting three more people in connection with with the bombing at the ariana grande concert. that means the 23-year-old brother. brian: yeah, when he was arrested with he was smirking. 23 killed, dozens more injured. and yesterday, dozens struggling for their lives. steve: the threat level is raised to critical. the prime minister says the possibility of an attack would be eminent. she also ordered 5,000 military members to go out and disburse amongst the country.

ainsley: our military members. steve: absolutely. interestingly enough when you go to great britain one of the things if you're in london, you want to watch the changing of the guard. the changing of the guard has been canceled today because they've taken this police members who usually take security in the area and redeployed them throughout london. so things are afoot and the home secretary says it seems likely that this man did not act alone. they're worried about another terror cell. brian: all right. let's bring in michelle now. she's host of michelle malcolm investigates on crtv.com. and, michelle, we've talked to you so many times before after a terror attack. now we're seeing the difference they're sensation to how the president reacted to a attack to how president obama did. >> yeah. i think there's a huge difference in how donald trump, very immediately with moral clarity responded. over the years, i spent many

hours sick to my stomach with the obama, john kerry stance of almost apathy. and the same attitude that you're now seeing from the jihad calling london mayor there, which is, well, this is just the cost of doing business. ainsley: sorry to interrupt you, but it's always nice when you can see an example of that. we have some sound bytes of president obama and his response to terror versus president trump's. let's watch this. >> still learning all the facts. this is an open investigation. we've reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. >> i won't call them monsters because they would like that term. they would think that's a great name. >> i directed that we must bear no effort to determine what if any inspiration or

association this killer may have had with terrorist groups. what is clear is that he was a person filled with hatred. >> i will call them from now on losers because that's what they are. they're losers. and we'll have more of them. but they're losers, just remember that. ainsley: michelle, what's your response? >> there you go. moral clarity versus moral ambiguity. i will never forget that president obama before he was a president, his response to 9/11 was that the reason for islamic terrorism, they lacked empathy, and they grew up in a climate of poverty. i mean, the cluelessness here. let's just take the jihadis in britain alone. two-thirds of them came from middle class families. osama bin laden was a

millionaire if not a billionaire, so many of these jihadis were educated by the west. they were western doctors. one of the jihadis here in america educated at mit. khalid mohammed earned a degree at university in tennessee. these people do not lack education. we do not need a midnight basketball social justice approach to terrorism. and that is the main difference that we've seen in the obama administration and the trump administration. steve: well, we are learning about this particular suicide bomber, 22-year-old. this guy was a drop out. he dropped out of college. his parents were from libya. it sounds like he just got back from libya in the last week. and apparently mi-5 knew about him, but he was not on a active list, it sounds like. an active investigation. but apparently, they also

deemed him not a high risk. it sounds like in this particular case they dropped the ball. if the guy gets off the plane this week and no one is keeping an eye on him, that's a problem. >> yeah. that's right. patrick is one of the terror bloggers and terror analysts in the country, if not the planet. coin the phrase known wolf. and both britain and europe and america have been traded by them. my heart went out to katie, who was on your show earlier because she expressed the outrage that many people have had, that have been blind, deaf, and jihad to come and walk in our open doors. the front doors. not just the back doors and the side doors. to paraphrase historian arnold, of course, civilization died by suicide. not by murder.

they do it to themself. brian: meanwhile, katie hopkins was with us earlier. she's fed up with the response, fed up with politicians, she's tired of being a target. listen. >> i do think i speak for people who recognize that we're making choices in this country. we chose to let a jihadi back in, and we chose therefore for our little girls to be slaughtered. we choose to protect the human rights of gee huedies, 3,000 of them are roaming the streets because their human rights matter more. we're defending that over our small babies, and i didn't many normal people perhaps just feel we've had enough now, the narrative that we're strong and the jihadis are weak. no, we've been knocked down. we've been trampled on, and i think the general population is fed up with treated so awfully. we want ge jihaddists out of

this country. ainsley: you watched the interview. she's talking to her three kids at the breakfast table. and the conversation we have to have with our kids now at such a young age about what is happening at this concert. what are you telling your children? >> well, my kids are now 15 and 13 and as long as they've been able to comprehend evil in this world, i've let them know what they had to face and deal with. my daughter was just a toddler when 2001 happened. she was old enough to remember when saddam hussein was captured and we don't white wash it for them, and i think that's so important. sits the only way you're going to inoculate kids from the moral-headed thinking that because its us into this in the first place. and it's the inability to define and to pinpoint the roots of islamic violence and islamic imperialism that have dominated.

i mean, when you have these refugees who are welcomed into your country, and you fail at the basic goal and the basic -- the basic requirement of assimilation in the country, this is what you end up with. steve: sure something else that katie hopkins talked about was how she was receiving e-mail from some of her readers talking about how after this now they're afraid to go out to dinner, afraid to go to concerts and stuff like that. justin bieber apparently has got a schedule concert in london i believe in july. his fans are calling for him -- you know, we don't know that we can be protected there, justin, please cancel your dates in united kingdom. and then you have katy perry, who is a contemporary of ariana grande. she was on the radio the other day, and she has an idea of how we should go ahead and do something about terror around the world. listen to this and then some of your analysis.

>> the greatest thing we can do is just unite and love on each other and no barriers, no borders. we all just need to coexist. brian: just going to love each other. steve: unite, love, no barriers, no borders. she's obviously speaking from her heart. brian: good strategy. >> let's start and see if she's going to drop all of her bodyguards and turn off her security systems in her own home. i think the next time we welcome muslim refugees from syria or libya in this country, we should send them to her house. it's the gulf stream liberal mind-set of these celebrities who do not operate in any sense of reality. there are people around the world now who are struggling to exist because they have to

fight against islamic imperialists because they don't believe in islam and refuse to be subjugated. one thing i want to say about justin bieber and these celebrities, these are people who are making a lot of money by going to tour and places like the middle east where gays are thrown off buildings and women are subjected to forced marriages and young girls have to be subjected to female mutual mutilation. and have been imported into this country. brian: well, we just have to, like, coexist. i tell you, everyone has their own theory. michelle, thank you very much. ainsley: katy perry needs to know terrorists don't want to coexist.

brian: oh, they don't? >> we have an update on some news we've been following all morning long breaking right now. isis headers beheading a police chief and taking more than a dozen hostages at a church in the philippines. the terrorists threaten to kill the worshipers and the priests if the government doesn't recall their decision to impose marshal law to combat isis in the region. extremists now storming the city, burning down buildings. gunfire still raging at this hour leaving two soldiers dead. the oklahoma police officer acquitted of manslaughter after shooting and killing an unarmed black man is back to work. officer betty now working a desk job days after being cleared by a jury. claimed she was feared if on her life after she thought he was reaching in a stalled suv for a gun, he wasn't armed but pcp was in his system. and aiming to cut the national deficit.

the $4.1 trillion blueprint flashes public programs like food stamps and medicaid. public director nick mulvaney says it's part of a whole new approach to spending. >> we're no longer going to measure compassion by the number of programs or the number of people on those programs. but by the number of people we help get off of those programs. >> the budget also allocates $2.6 billion for border security. mulvaney saying the border wall is one of the president's priorities. we'll see you guys in a little bit. brian: i like when he was talking about government waste. he says, well, when it comes to the epa, why y are you cutting so much? and he says, well, do we really need a global warming musical? and there was money set aside for a global warming musical. steve: you don't want to see that? brian: you're right. i'm in the minority. steve: the president able to explain every single question to the administration's point of view was spectacular. brian: you know why? i think he wrote it. steve: i think he did too.

he had an extensive answer. brian: and, by the way, it's great when your director is really good at math. i prefer that as opposed to social studies, which is also valuable. president trump just wrapping up a historical visit with pope francis. we're live at the vatican when president trump said he will never forget it. we've got to find out about that moment break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it delivers a gentle mist experience to help block six key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills only block one. new flonase sensimist changes everything. ayou don't have to choose just one thing. choose your trio with any 3 of 9 selections for $15.99. like new creamy lobster pasta toasted parmesan shrimp and southern-style crab cakes. come create your trio before it ends.

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steve: fox news alert. there you can see the first lady followed by the president of the united states. thethey have had a very busy day in rome. and now they're preparing to board up on air force one and head to brussels. ainsley: this was moments ago thanking people for his wonderful trip there in rome, and i'm understanding this actually is live now. brian: right and he's going to be doubling back here after the nato summit or the nato meeting of leaders, and we're seeing the president pick this up. visit the pope, the prime minister, and then hop on a plane and go meet 25 other world leaders, all of which are going to be meeting the president of the united states overseas certainly for the first time.

ainsley: the capital of brussels. steve: meanwhile, our white house chief correspondent joins us live from vatican city where the president, mr. roberts, has had a very busy day. >> steve, ainsley, brian, good morning to you. we too will be coming back in a couple of days. and when the president goes to belgium as well, clearly what happened in manchester the other night will be weighing very heavily on the minds of the nato leaders as they try to combat terrorism. of course brussels has its own problems on that as well. now to the matter at hand, the president here where he sat down with the pope. there was a lot of speculation as to what that meeting would be like, given the history of critical tweets and public statements that the two leaders had. but it appeared to go off really well. after the two leaders spent some 30 minutes in private together, only the two of them and their interpreters when

the president emerged with the pope and melania trump came in along with ivanka and jarod and rex tillerson and mcmaster, there were warm handshakes and smiles all around. so things did seem to go really well. the president said with in his meeting with the prime minister that the pope is a terrific person. the vatican saying the relationships affirm footing and the pope freedom of worship. and also need tore bring peace through political association and dialogue. also talked about the persecution of christians and the need to protect christian communities. and clearly as well the pope said something to happen that had an impression on him because listen to what the president said. he said i'll never forget what you told me. now the big deal is we've got to find out what it was that the pope told the president that made such an impression

on him or maybe we never will. we're not sure. that may be something that forever is in the private conversation. steve: are you kidding me? everything leaks. there are a million leaks. we do know in 15 minutes. ainsley: it might have been during concession, though. therefore we can't leak. ainsley: john, thank you so much. it's been fascinating to watch this world tour. steve: it has indeed. as you can see they're preparing to depart. we'll show you those images as soon as they happen. meanwhile, president trump talking tough after the manchester terror attack. >> call them from now on losers because that's what they are. they're losers. steve: what do you think about that comment? about terrorists being losers? we've got a brand-new dial. how america feels. after a break n i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want.

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steve: we've got a fox news alert after a whirlwind visit. this is video tape play back from just a few moments ago. the president of the united states, a final receiving line or so long line as john roberts reminded us as he leaves for brussels, which is about a two-hour flight. you'll see the departure and the rival of course here on the channel. ainsley: and his beautiful wife melania. it has been so fun to see all the changes of her outfits. she's so beautiful and so elegant, and she met. she went to a hospital, a children's hospital, catholic children's hospital there in rome to visit with the children and to be with them as they're probably facing some of their darkest days. i thought that was sweet.

steve: air force one as soon as it starts going down the runway, we'll show you because it's always so cool. and, in fact, it's starting to move now because we'll go ahead and split the screen. actually, joining us right now we have lee carter, you've been looking at some of the president's sound bytes over the last couple of days, and you put them to a dial test where you have a focus group of 1,000 people or so, and they look at it and do the dial based on their political affiliation. >> that's right. steve: the first sound byte is the one that everyone's talking about where the president says don't call them monsters. call them, you know, losers. >> so many young, beautiful, innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers in life. i won't call them monsters because they would like that term.

they would think that's a great name. i will call them from now on, losers because that's what they are. they're losers. steve: can't even see the red line. >> you can't. it was so high. republicans love this. independents and b and democrats a c. now, i was surprised when his results came in this morning because so much of this was this was unpresidential. and yet the response we spoke to was you know what? we shouldn't dignify him with any kind of name that they could be proud of and losers is a name that they can't be proud of. there were dems that criticized and said you know what? he speaks like a second grader, i'm tired of it. but that's a pretty good grade among the democrats, and he has had a solid week with his visit to israel. now here in italy, people are talking about him differently than what we've heard in the last few weeks. ainsley: yeah, we're told this

is how they recruit some of the individuals. these may be losers among the crowd and isis promises a better life for them, and they will be popular and that they will have a better life in the afterlife. but let's go on to talk about something else that the president said on this world tour. he was in saudi arabia, and he was basically saying i'm not here to tell you how to run your government. we can come together and find common ground. he said we're not here to be the world's police. listen to this and watch the dials. trump: prepared to stand with you in pursuit of shared interest and common security. but the nations of the middle east cannot wait for this power to crush the enemy for them. the nations of the middle east will have to decide what kind of future they want for themselves, for their country, and frankly, for their families and for their children. it's a choice between two

futures, and it is a choice america cannot make for you. steve: the red line and the independents both off the screen. >> off the -- i mean, off the charts. this was an a-plus for both independents and republicans and a really big deal for him because we've seen recently he's lost some of the support of the independents. they love this message. democrats even gave it a c, and i think people were overall saying i'm pleased to hear that we're playing a supporting role here. that he's going to deliver his promise on america first. but we're going to be out there supporting this fight however we can. so this was a really solid message, a really great visit for the president overseas. steve: one final sound byte and this was yesterday. you saw it live on the channel. he was in jerusalem and talking about to exist and he's not going to let anyone face us off the globe.

>> isis synagogues and storefronts and iran's leaders who routinely call for israel's destruction. not with donald j. trump. steve: and the dials? >> and you can see republicans and independents gave a -- they gave this an a. democrats gave it a c minus. but only once he said not according to donald j. trump. you saw that dial dip as soon as he said his own name. but overall i think people want to see the support of israel and, again, everywhere he went, really solid performance. people were saying completely changed their view of him, and i think this was a great trip. ainsley: we'll continue to follow him on this world tour. you can see him there taking off heading to brussels. steve: that's right they have two identical 747s. we don't know if the president is going to be on that one or the next one that takes off. although, we believe he was on the first one. but you just never know.

ainsley: for security purposes, they don't tell you. >> you don't really know unless you watch very carefully and there you guys down the runway at leonardo airport. great actor. he does not have an airport. ainsley: not yet, at least. he plays one on tv, though. all right. thanks, lee. a new report suggesting that president obama's administration might have been breaking its own rules using the nsa to spy on everyday americans for years. senator rand paul is going to join us live to talk about the breaking news. that's next.

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25 other british leaders. ainsley: went to saudi arabia, jerusalem, the vatican, rome, and now to brussels. steve: that's right. he has had a very busy morning. overnight, he met the pope and, in fact, our president just tweeted this out within the last couple of minutes. honor of a lifetime to meet his holiness pope francis.more determined than ever to pursue peace in our world. brian: and when the president picked up and left, joining us now senator rand paul, he's with homeland security government affairs member. but out of your expertise for a second, how has the president done so far? >> you know, i think it's been a good first trip. i think trying to unify this in the middle east to know that it is largely their responsibility to wipe out islamic terrorism over there. i think it's a good sign. now, i'm not a real big fan of selling so many weapons to saudi arabia because, unfortunately, some of those

weapons in the past few years have wound up in the hands of isis because saudi arabia really has been indiscriminate in who they've armed, so i am a little concerned about giving so many weapons and selling so many weapons to saudi arabia. steve: speaking of concern, something you've been worried about, and you've spoken about this extensively is how the government spies on us. and, in fact, there's a circus story, i'm going to read the first paragraph for you in just a second. i did it this way. ainsley: uh-oh. steve: i knew it the hard way. the nsa under barack obama routinely violated privacy until the final days before donald trump was elected president last fall. according to one top secret documents, the chronicle, some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the u.s. intel community. brian: this dates back to 2011. ainsley: and here's another headline report. obama era in essay admits to years of illegal searches on

americans. >> yeah. see, i've been concerned about this for a long time and realize that this is not just a few people. you think it's only people that are calling a foreign leader or a foreign person that are being picked up. if you mention a foreign person in your conversation or in your e-mail. so if anybody mentions the name assad in an e-mail, it's being gathered up, so it isn't just communications with assad, it's communications about assad. so we're talking about millions and millions of focuses and e-mails that are being gathered up and then being searched with no sort of control over the privacy of the americans. we call this a back doorway to sort of get at americans privacy without using a warrant, and i think it's a terrible program. steve: senator, explain if you will for people who just over their coffee just their jaws just dropped. so if you're talking on the telephone, and you mention assad or you mention some other one of the words that is in the matrix that they're searching for, that will -- a

red flashing light on that phone call? >> yeah. and realize, it's not the old-fashioned wiretap where they've tapped your phone. there's a huge cable going transatlantic or there's a weigh station where they're being transmitted by satellite. everything's being sucked up. so if you can imagine millions of things going through the internet across the sea or across the continent to another continent, millions and millions of internet transmissions all being soaked up based on a key word. so americans get caught up in that, and i would say 99.9% of americans are innocent. i'm all for going after people, even americans if you have evidence, and you present it to a judge. but we shouldn't suck up everybody's phone calls and everybody's internet transmission and the danger is, and one of the accusations of susan rice and others, they were looking at this information politically searching opponents and going after people in the trump transition to try to bring them down. brian: and maybe even you. so when you were a candidate. so i want to bring you to

this. i know how you guys like to do -- ask questions. even if these guys can't answer it, you try to make your point in the hearing and ask your question, and i picked that up with tray gowdy yesterday in his question with john brennon. he asked him flat out in your last days not the one that's in the prompt now but the other one, in your last days, what did you do in terms of unmasking? listen to this and tell me if you know what he's getting at. >> have you ever requested that a u.s. person's name be unmasked? >> yes, i have. >> do you recall any u.s. ambassadors asking that names be unmasked? >> i don't know. maybe it's ringing a vague bell, but i could not answer with any confidence. >> do you remember what your last day on the job was at the cia? what was the date? >> it was noon on january 20th when i gave up my responsibilities as director of cia. >> on either january 19th or

up until noon on january the 20th, did you make any unmasking request? >> i do not believe i did. brian: what's he getting at, senator? >> well, see, i think the concern is, and i don't have enough information to tell you one way or another, but my assumption would be that they do know somebody was being being unmasked in the last couple of days and that there was this sort of frantic, you know, composing with the obama administration trying to get at as many things as they could on the way out. if this becomes -- if we can determine this to be true, this is an amazing abuse of power, and it dwarfs any of the other sort of made up stuff that we're looking into now. if the obama administration was going after and targeting people of the trump transition or others politically, this is an enormous story, and it will dwarf all the other stories. brian: senator, to the point we know tray gowdy, he's as state as an arrow, he wouldn't

ask that question unless he knew something. >> some ambassador was asking, and they wanted to know if brennon was doing the work for them. but, see, there's going to be dozens of other people. and, unfortunately, there may be hundreds of people. and what a lot of people don't realize is that most of the information comes in initially. if it's coming into the nsa or the fbi, it is already unmasked. it only gets masked when it gets sent to other people. so there are hundreds and hundreds of people. so, for example, who unmasked flynn? maybe it was before it even got masked. that was a domestic conversation, so probably that was the fbi listening. do you have some people in the fbi who were loyal to the obama administration or enemies of trump who decided then to call up susan rice and say, hey, do you -- maybe you need to unmask this particular transmission because we think flynn was talking to the russian, you know, foreign minister. so there's a lot of problems here with having so much power to listen to conversations, and that power can be abused. there's got to be amazing oversight on it. and some of these phone calls frankly we shouldn't be

listening to. steve: no kidding. ainsley: senator rand paul, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. ainsley: isis releasing videos like one called how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. just before the manchester terror attacks. our next guest lost both legs fighting terrorism in afghanistan but says the most critical battlefield is online. retired marine staff sergeant johnny joey jones is next introducing coppertone whipped. new sun protection like you've never seen or felt. it absorbs quickly. and leaves your skin feeling soft and smooth while helping to prevent sun damage. new coppertone whipped. because protection matters.

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releasing a know your chemicals manual after carrying ought another raid in a residential area. do you believe this? this on the heels of isis posting a video of how to make a bomb of the kip of your mom, which has been out for years. so online influence, joining us right now marine core staff sergeant johnny joey jones who lost both legs in ago, and that is one of your areas of expertise. first off, i guess it doesn't surprise you. >> no. not at all. good morning, brian. you know, at the end of the day when you hear suicide bomber, you automatically think there was a bomb maker somewhere. because that's intellectual property. the bad guys don't want to give up. and true lone wolf is not quite the same but having isis claim responsibility and understanding the information we're getting about the planning of this strategy, you kind of assume right away when you hear suicide bomber there's probably a bomb maker or group of bomb makers somewhere who put that man

into motion. brian: so if he did -- if the reports are true that he was carrying a bag, it might take one to think that maybe he was supposed to drop that bag and get out of there and live. does it change your calculus on what will what did exactly was supposed to happen that night? >> well, you know, i can't speak to isis. it has been a few years since i lost my legs in combat. but i tell you in afghanistan and iraq, for over ten years we saw when there was a possible suicide bomber or someone put into position to place a bomb, a lot of times they would have some sort of fail-safe. they would either have a cell phone signal they could call and make the bomb go off if that person decided not to do it or decided to do something different. so the notion that some of these people they've arrested were actually at the place the bomb was set off to make sure it happened, that's a possibility too. the idea is you have a cell of terrorists working in an area and each of those cell members may have different communications with isis all for the purpose of making sure a bomb goes off in a place like this.

brian: so staff sergeant, how do we get better at detecting these things online and stopping them from proliferating? >> i think our human intelligence is our number one asset. i think most government officials will tell you that. i think it's been our most effective asset. in afghanistan, we literally had to stop the flow of fertilizer into the country and even still couldn't rid the country of ieds. the idea that we can stop or mitigate the types chemicals used to make homemade bombs. i mean, i can make a bomb out of sand. so at the end of the day, making bombs is not something we're going to be able to mitigate completely. what we can do are track components, project boards, things you order off the internet that don't have a lot of purposes. we can also follow human intelligence and follow things that lead us to these bad guys and most importantly, when we wisconsin someone's a bad guy, let's apprehend them and listen to them and talk to them and find out who their closest friends are and not hide spurned guys that you know are a known terrorist or

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trump: drive them out of your communities. drive them out of your holy land, and drive them out of this earth. i won't call them monsters.

i will call them from now on losers. ainsley: there are some big differences between president trump's middle east trip and president obama's. the biggest one? trump's refusal, president trump's refusal to apologize. steve: joining us right now with his reaction is benghazi contractor and u.s. army vet and the author of brand-new book the ranger way. our friend chris. >> good morning. so nice. steve: thank you. so what do you make of this new president on his first trip abroad? >> one word. strength. and that's one thing we were lacking over the last eight years was the strength that we need in our leadership. and he's -- the unity when he said muslims and christians need to come together and destroy terrorism. it wasn't christians are the awful scum of the earth. we need to apologize for what america's doing. he's trying to make it that we are togetherness and that terrorism is the problem. ainsley: big difference. >> yes. huge. ainsley: because president obama went over, and

he was there to apologize. yeah, listen to that. here's some clips from his apology tour. we'll talk about it. >> i've come here to cairo to seek a new beginning between the united states and muslims around the world. the united states is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. ainsley: so he went over there not only to apologize but talk about our dark days to the rest of the world. >> yeah. and that's a huge mistake because the united states leads in everything within the world, including -- as much as when the benghazi incident was going on saying we aren't the 9-1-1 of the world, we are. because we're the strongest country in the world financially and military. and i think donald trump is president trump's putting that back out there to the world to see. and it was great to see. it was refreshing. steve: because you feel this president, who's less than 130 days into his new term is taking the gloves off. i mean, he -- this is the president who authorizes the

generals to do whatever they want to, and they dropped the mother of all abominates. >> right. and they're using the special operations forces again to go in there after the attack after manchester. did a raid with the seals. and that's awesome. hit them hard. if you hit america, then you're not going to want to hit us anymore because we're going to go out there and destroy you. ainsley: is that called the ranger way? >> it's a little bit more friendly. and most rangers will tell you this. is that we learn from failures. we fail so many times, you learn how to pick yourself back up. that's the strength that people need in america. the perseverance that the kids lose nowadays. that's what the ranger way is about. about overcoming. steve: but it's also about the training because if as an army ranger, you get trained unlike anywhere. >> and it's quite miserable, most of the time. but you learn to deal with this misery. embrace the suck. embrace it. things get miserable, you hug onto it and become better for it.

that's what the book's about. and it can be applied to everybody. not just rangers and seals. it can be applied to everybody. ainsley: to those who lost loved ones in the terrorist attacks. >> and it's awful to see that. and you get a little desensitized when you're overseas for so long. i saw children die before, so i know what terrorists are capable of. so when i see this, it's just another reason that we need to go in there and destroy them, eliminate terrorism. steve: well, if you're looking for a great book to take to the beach this summer, check out the ranger way. chris, always a pleasure. >> thanks, guys, for having me. are you guys awesome. steve. steve: thank you very much. >> yes, sir. ainsley: we have more fox and friends just moments away. stay with us what's the story bn mountain coffee and fair trade? let's take a flight to colombia. this is boris calvo. boris grows mind-blowing coffee. and because we pay him a fair price, he improves his farm and invest in his community to make even better coffee. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee. for my constipation, i switch laxatives.ed stimulant laxatives

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