first 100 responders will spend the morning hanging out as our vip in the fox fan area. >> you'll get to meet some of your favorite fox news anchors. email us now friends @ fox news.com. >> president donald trump in the air on his way to meet nato leaders in brussels, belgium. the pledge to pursue peace in the world. his time in rome he had a 30 minute meeting with pope francis and a tour of vatican city and more details on the manchester terror attack. good to be back in new york. i'm bill hemmer. good morning, to you. >> shannon: welcome back. air force one leaving italy a short time ago. president trump set to arrive in brussels within the hour. he will meet with belgian leaders today. >> all this as england remains

on edge at this hour. more arrests overnight. the terror threat has been raised. there are concerns that another attack could be imminent. >> shannon: special assistant to president trump sebastian gorka is standing by at the white house but first we begin with john roberts. we'll get back to him. he is live for us in rome. now to dr. gorka. >> john has been reporting all morning. stateside to the white house and bring in sebastian gorka. thank you for your time. we have learned new details from authorities in england. what more can you add about what you are learning about that awful attack on monday night? >> well, we're not going to second guess our british cousins but the fact is there seems to be a broader circle of individuals of interest. if you look at serious, significant plots of this kind starting way back in december

of 2001 and up to the present day when an attack is this successful it is almost always a group of individuals, a network and a person who has been trained outside of the country where the attack occurred. right now that's what the british authorities are looking at. we're providing any assistance that they need. >> i have a few questions. did he travel to syria as the french authorities have said? >> i won't confirm or deny anything with regard to an attack on another nation. i'll leave that to the british authorities. this is not a u.s. case, it is a british case. that is a pattern we've seen again and again and again. these individuals travel to a place where they are vetted ideologically and further indoctrinated into the organization and where they're provided the skills to maybe not build the device, often somebody else builds the device for them. that's what happened with richard reid, the shoe bomber, but they're trained in how to use the device and where to be

for maximum effect to kill as many people as possible. >> let me try another question here. how significant is it? it is widely reported he was in libya. you know the terror camps are set up in the northeastern part of the country. how significant could that be? >> massively. it tells you that -- if this is truly connected to groups like isis, it tells you that we are deeply in the next phase, al qaeda was obsessed with one-off spec tackles of violence. 9/11 was the classic example. isis has gone back in time and doing classic guerilla warfare. taking simple tactics like very simple tactics into the heartland of what they call the infidel. if they're true it is another

example of guerrilla warfare coming to the streets of western civilization. >> the president characterized these killers this way. >> so many young, beautiful, innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers in life. i won't call them monsters because they would like that term. they would think that's a great name. >> what consulted with the president, if anyone, on that phrase? evil losers in life? >> we don't talk about the inside mechanics of what the president says or doesn't say, bill, i'm sorry. >> have you had private conversations with him where he used a similar phrase? i'm trying to figure out where it came from to give our viewers greater insight th. is how he will frame the killers. >> it doesn't matter who came up with the phrase. the president is speaking from the heart. the fact is we don't use the

word monsters because monsters are mythological. also they are something to be afraid of. we aren't afraid of these people. they're cowards. the president was correct in his choice of words, losers and part of a death cult that he has committed himself and his add min traition to destroy and obliterate and that's why they're not monsters. they're pathetic cowardly losers. >> we can expect to see him continue using that phrase. >> i think that's a good bet. >> when he arrives in brussels he will meet with nato leaders. when you think about the killers that have come out of brussels in the past year hitting the airport and a metro station there, a year half ago hitting paris. knowing the hot bed of terror that exists in that neighborhood on the western edge of brussels. knowing so many of those killers travel back and forth into syria and back into

belgium, what is his message today, doctor? >> his message is a very simple one. together we can defeat this death cult. nato is the most successful modern alliance in history. they have to come together. they are being brought together in the consensus just as we did with the fascists of world war two, the communists of the cold war. we'll do it with the new ones. we'll come together bill on a consensus threat assessment. this is the primarily threat to our civilization right now and together we can defeat them just as we defeated the nazis and the soviet union. >> we'll see him arrive in brussels later this hour. thank you for your time. he is there on the north lawn. thank you, sir. >> shannon: we'll take it back to john roberts in vatican city for the president's departure and what comes next. >> good morning or good

afternoon to you from outside of vatican city in rome. we can report that relationships between the united states and vatican are just fine after a meeting between president trump and pope francis. despite the fact there were some bumps along the road during the campaign trail. you remember famously when the pope said it wasn't christian to build walls instead of building bridges. the two leaders spent a half hour together two of them with their interpreters. the meeting was very cordial. they had a good bilateral relationship. peace was a big topic of discussion, specifically about the middle east and in particular the need to protect christians given everything that is going on over there. meeting with the prime minister, the president said he had a great meeting with pope francis. listen here. >> he is something. he is really great. we had a fantastic meeting. we had a fantastic tour. it was really beautiful. i'm liking italy very much.

the prime minister and everybody. we're liking italy very much and an honor to be with the pope. >> the pope appeared to be fairly business like when he met the president. after the 30-minute meeting when he was introduced to his family and secretary of state tillerson and mcmaster he was warm handshakes and broad shiels. during their meeting together the pope said something to the president that made an impression on him because listen to what he said. we don't know what it was the pope said to the president that he will never forget. we're trying to find that out. i'm told that the meeting with the pope was very important, the more important meeting came right after that when the president met with the cardinal secretary of state at the vatican where the real business gets done. >> shannon: it's interesting on these visits the traditional

exchange of gifts. do we know what the president and pope gave each other? >> we did. the pope gave the president a medial onrelated to peace and it is all about climate change and environmentalism. that's a subtle message it's an important issue to him. the president gave the pope a first set of the works of martin luther king and a sculpture done by jeffrey smith of florida. the gifts are significant in terms of what the traditions represent. the reason why the president gave him the set of martin luther king works when the pope addressed congress he singled out martin luther king as being a very inspirational moment. these things don't go unnoticed. >> shannon: a lot of symbolism. >> a lot more coming up this

morning. former navy seal rob o'neill will join us, mike lee is here and trey gowdy is here live and new york congressman peter king has a lot to say about the terror threat overseas and at home. there are many questions as this trip continues overseas with the horrible events that unfolded in manchester, england. we'll get to all of it. >> shannon: it may impact the conversation that goes on at nato. such a push by this president to say we need you to take terrorism more seriously. that has to be on the table for conversation. coming up. did the alleged manchester suicide bomber have help? that's a big question for british investigators. they have to answer soon. >> senators want answers from former national security officer michael flynn. the former f.b.i. director says he needs to talk to special counsel, robert mueller. tell you what's going on on that and why it's important. >> shannon: president trump's

first budget proposal is called a complete non-starter. mulvaney is headed to the hill this morning to defend it. >> the gun goes off when the posturing occurs. let's not lose the forest in the trees here.

>> shannon: isis militants working chaos in the philippines. military checkpoints have been set up as part of the nation is

under martial law. the muslim extremists have blockaded streets, seizing several buildings and burning down others including a catholic church. we understand they do have hostages. fox news will bring you more information as soon as we get it. >> i don't think i've ever seen a situation where nobody can locate the crime. there may be. we could get an avalanche of evidence of collusion but so far there is none. president insists there is no there there but he acts as if the there is everywhere. >> bill: a world on the russian matter while we learn that former f.b.i. director james comey will speak with special counsel robert mueller before giving any public testimony. if that public testimony ever happens. marie harf former state department spokesperson and brad blakeman assistant to president george w. bush. good morning to you.

brad, you're an attorney first in life. is the there there at this point? >> i don't think so. look, the f.b.i. has been looking at this for 10 months. it is based on evidence that i believe has already been gathered as far as electronic eavesdropping by international intelligence agencies, which is the c.i.a. they don't do domestic spying. mueller shouldn't have any problem reviewing the 10 months worth of work and coming up with a conclusion immediately clearing the president. that's first and foremost his job is to take the cloud away so the president can get on with doing the business of the people. >> bill: krauthammer's point is nobody can locate the crime. marie, can you? >> his other point is everything president trump has done make him looks guilty even if no crime and collusion is found. bill, can you imagine if president trump had not fired jim comey? we would be sitting here today probably talking about something else. we would not have a special

counsel. so much of what president trump has done has furthered a story that at the end of the day you are absolutely right, there may not be any collusion that's found here but now mueller is looking at everything, including possible obstruction of justice. >> bill: it could go on for years. richard burr, well respected republican from north carolina had this to say about that? >> at the end of that option is a contempt charge. i've said everything is on the table. that's not our preference today. we would like to hear from general flynn. we would like to see his documents. we would like him to tell his story because he publicly said i have a story to tell. >> you have two matters here to keep it clear. you have general flynn who has said he will take the fifth, right? and you have james comey who may testify before the senate intelligence committee perhaps after the memorial break. why would robert mueller allow james comey to publicly testify?

if he have is doing this other stuff under his own purview. maybe do you think mueller says to stay quiet? >> it is not in his interest to have comey and flynn to testify. he needs to have control of the witnesses and the evidence. he also has to make sure immunity is not given that could help his investigation. he needs to jealously guard his witnesses and the evidence. he can't prevent them from testifying. but he can sure put pressure on them to not cooperate with the congressional investigation which could do more damage and jeopardy to them in the investigation he is conducting. >> bill: brad and marie, democrats are salivating for this opportunity. i don't know if they will get flynn at the table. maybe physically but perhaps he doesn't answer questions. do you think james comey testifies publicly?

>> if i had to bet i would say he will but i think brad is right. mueller needs to guard this investigation. we have a special counsel with very broad mandate here and that right now is the most important thing. but you know, i think that mike flynn is the person who should be most concerned about his legal future. every story that comes out the most recent one that he lied to pentagon investigators about his russia speech. he is the one that has repeatedly been at the center of a lot of this and his attorneys are thinking hard how to play it. taking the fifth was an interesting choice. >> bill: robert mueller has seen the comey memos and been briefed on them and been to f.b.i. headquarters. we have a lot of breaking news today and we'll bring you back soon. >> shannon: the russia investigation continues to unfold with the former c.i.a. director on capitol hill yesterday. trey gowdy trying to find out what john brennan knows. a lot of back and forth. more of that and get the

congressman's take away coming up. >> bill: from overseas we are over awaiting a news conference from british police today. what we're learning about the manchester terror attacks. more suspects have been arrested. where does this trail lead? former navy seal rob o'neill to break it down as intel stories come to us at the fox news channel and the stories from survivors continue to pour in as well. >> i haven't slept because i can't stop thinking about it. and then as soon as i stop thinking about it, it goes back into my mind again and you hear the screams and see the people running. and help, when help is needed america's #1 isn't a status earned overnight.

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manchester england. they're picking up pieces of evidence after the bombing. yesterday they arrested a suspect after raiding a house. we learned that three additional arrests have been made in connection with the attack. here is what we know about the man police carried out this bombing they think by himself. salman abedi. his parents are immigrants from libya. security services had him on the radar prior to the bombing. he returned from libya a week or so ago, days before the attack. they're calling for the community to come together in the wake of this terrible tragedy. >> we understand that feelings are very raw right now and people are bound to be looking for answers. however, more than ever, it is likely diverse communities make manchester a strong place stand together and support each other. >> shannon: joining me now

former navy seal rob o'neill. we have so much hindsight with these cases. we know his parents were concerned. the imam and mosque was concerned. there are neighbors coming out saying he was chanting in the streets. he was flying an islam flag over his home. why do we hear about these things afterwards and not before? >> people are worried about getting labeled. people in the muslims are worried about safety and the parents who are libyan moved back to libya, took the passport away from this guy. he lied to them. his own parents that he wanted to go to mecca. he wanted to do the pilgrimage there. he got the passport back and possibly went to syria. the peaceful muslims after the prayers and see each other they give a positive greeting peace be upon you.

this imam gave a speech against isis and the terrorist was there and he wouldn't greet him as they passed each other because he was mad because he gave an anti-isis speech. the neighbors seeing him with the prayer in the streets. one god mohammed yelling in the streets and hanging the flags. you see a lot of people hang flags from their country because they're proud of it. this guy was doing stuff that was crazy but nobody wanted to say anything out of fear or being labeled. that's an issue. even -- i know that the british intelligence services are all over it and they're reacting that something that happened. the bomb maker won't blow themselves up. that is a skill and give it to a mule to carry it out. someone who thinks he will go to paradise. a lone wolf don't going on. manchester has a lot of radicals and they come out of islamic centers. we need to get in there and get after them.

>> shannon: what can we learn from the bomb itself? a lot have things that will help you trace, some kind of clues as to who is behind it. they'll get a young kid. radicalized to carry oust the mission. >> once -- he didn't care about the kids he blew in half. the people he made go away. he wanted paradise. you can tell the bombs they made because of the project tiles, the nuts, bolts and nails to put on the outside of the belt. i haven't seen any footage. i'm assuming it's a suicide vest that blows everything out. that has been learned from militants th. is not something a kid got online and figured out how to make an explosion. this is projectile. got in there somehow. the bad thing is it's not the bomb, it's the ideology.

we need to talk to the scholars and clerics the ones who are radicalizing. we can't kill our way to victory. >> shannon: if he was to dangerous areas, there are some reports and waiting more confirmation that he was on the radar of some intelligence or law enforcement officials. if he was doing these travels and on someone's radar we know they're tracking thousands of cases. how do they pinpoint the people that will act on it? is it possible? >> it's possible if you get inside the community. not everyone is bad, a lot of people are involved and people that are afraid to say anything. but a lot of these times these are ordered from syria and planned in belgium and carried out in london. these are all related. this mosque is all related. manchester is related. the man in the hat in the brussels attacks. and they are all planning to do whatever they can. they are better at forward thinking than we are.

as opposed -- we have long lines of tsa where we take our shoes off because of a failed shoe bomb. they think we'll hit him outside where they're picking up passengers and attack children. they killed two mothers waiting for their 15-year-old daughters. we need to get after the ideology and get inside what they're thinking and have to stop worrying if i'll offend somebody. i would much rather offend someone than have a 9-year-old girl running around where is my sister? it is real. because we don't think we're at war, they are at war. >> shannon: we may see it very difficult -- differently. >> bill: this morning we're learning some of the names of those who were killed inside that manchester arena. many of them teenagers and children. their stories as we get them in a moment here. also we are waiting the start of a hearing in the house. lawmakers will hear from white house director mick mulvaney making the case for president

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>> bill: back to manchester england awaiting the press conference on behalf of police. many times this is where we get the latest news and information. we can tell you before the sun-up came today in the u.s., three more arrests have been made on wednesday. the threat level you might be aware has been raised to critical among concerns that the killer on monday night may not have acted alone and there is a lot of evidence suggesting he did not act alone. we're watching that. while that is happening we're

waiting the president to arrive in brussels, belgium. you'll see that in about a half hour. we'll bring you that press conference in a moment here. >> shannon: we're also awaiting the start of a big hearing on capitol hill. nick mulvaney set to defend president trump's budget proposal unveiled yesterday. lawmakers say they're concerned. democrats say drastic cuts make the plan a non-starter while some republicans say there isn't enough money for the military. but mulvaney said the budget is good news for taxpayers. >> we're not kicking anybody off of any program who really needs it. we have plenty of money in this country to take care of the people who need help. we will do that. we don't have enough money to take care of people -- everybody who doesn't need help. what we try and do is look at

these programs again through the perspective of the people paying for it. >> shannon: joining me now joint chairman of the committee mike lee from utah. director mulvaney laid out a couple of things. we shouldn't measure our success by how many people are on assistance programs but how many people we get off and talked about the fact if you give a slight increase or keep a budget steady people don't watch it as a cut. it isn't how it works. it sounds like such a radical idea to so many people out there. >> that's right. here in washington people want to keep government programs they have. they want to measure success by the growth in government when the opposite really should be true. what we want is not bigger government. what we want are stronger citizens and when we look at always increasing the size and scope of government, we diminish the power of individual americans. we weaken our institutions. >> shannon: i want to ask you

about the cbo score on the house measure passed on repealing and replacing obamacare. there is some talk that if it's radically different an what the house projected they'll have to vote again on healthcare. you are working on your own system and proposal in the senate. how is it going? the working group meets twice a week. any gop senator can come. what goes on in the meetings and what can you tell us? >> we're having a lot of discussions about the bill and we all understand that the house bill has to be essentially rewritten. there is not going to be a whole lot about the senate bill that looks identical to the house bill. what we do know is that it has to save at least as much money as the house bill does. these are under the budget rules. we know we're moving in a direction that will make healthcare more affordable for the american people. what we want to do is get the federal government out of the healthcare regulation business as much as we possibly can. so that we can bring down the cost of healthcare and make it more affordable for americans. right now in many parts of the

country they're finding the single biggest expense. >> shannon: there is a new report coming through hhs saying the cost of policies are up an average of 105% between 2013 and 2017. alabama is the worst example up 223% from $178 to now almost $400. so those numbers help make your argument. but what about a measure, proposal, a bill can you put forth that will change the reality of that for people writing those checks? >> we can learn a lot from the government regulation that kicked in. since the affordable care act took full effect just about four years ago, what we've seen is an astronomical spike in the cost of healthcare. i think it stands to reason when government gets involved and the price goes way up perhaps we should roll back on the federal government's involvement and watch prices go down. you see, because excessive

government intervention squelchs competition but when competition thrives two things happen, prices go down and quality goes up. that's what the american people expect and reserve and what we want to deliver. >> shannon: mitch mcconnell said he could do with less drama from the white house. how much is the constant drip, talk about comey, russia, releasing information to the russians, how much does that impact your ability to focus people and get things done there on the hill, or does it? >> i don't think it does. we're working on this process. i hope to continue working on this process until we're finished. we want to get it right. we want to make sure we get it done. there are other things going done. it's washington there are always other things going on. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> shannon: is the president a partner in getting the senate bill drafted? we know what happened with the house. there was a lot of last-minute arm twisting and deal making to

get this thing done. are you operating just solely as a legislative body with no influence from the president? would it be helpful for him to get involved or do you prefer to do it on your own? >> at this point it's operating within the senate. there will be more involvement with the white house down the road but at this point we have republican senators working day in and day out to make sure we get it done right. >> shannon: the hill in a piece says republicans are struggling to rack up legislative victories despite having their first unified government in a decade. talk about the pressure you feel. do you feel the pressure? >> sure. it's appropriate. the pressure has been put on us by washington itself. the pressure that we ourselves have caused as a congress. in other words, when we overextended the federal government's reach and caused a lot of people throughout the country to suffer as a result, that makes it incumbent upon us to undo the damage that we've done. we've got to undo a lot of the harm we've been inflicting on

if american people. by extending the government's reach beyond its intended limits. >> shannon: you've written some excellent books on that topic and worth a read for folks out there who would like to know how how it is supposed to work. thanks, sir. >> bill: waiting on police to brief in manchester, england. also the president en route to brussels, bellium expected to land in a matter of minutes. trey gowdy back at home pressing for hard evidence on possible collusion between trump campaign aides and russia as the former c.i.a. director testifies before a house committee on that very topic. >> did you have evidence of a connection between the trump campaign and russian state actors? >> as i said, mr. gowdy, i don't do evidence. >> i appreciate you don't do evidence, unfortunately that's what i do. >> bill: now the day after and the congressman is our guest in a moment.

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♪ ♪ >> it's a really simple question. did evidence exist of collusion, coordination, con conspiracy between the trump campaign and russian actors when you learned -- >> i don't know whether or not such collusion, that's your term, existed. i don't know. >> bill: that exchange between congressman trey gowdy and john brennan from yesterday. he testified before the house intelligence committee. congressman trey gowdy is here to talk about what he has learned. thank you for your time. tell us where are you now based on what you heard yesterday? let's start with the public

hearing. >> well, we are one witness into what will probably be several dozen witness investigation. director brennan was really important, the head of the c.i.a. we've already talked to director comey, admiral rogers and mike pompeo. he is a really important witness and we have both the public and private setting. it was helpful i think for your viewers. some of that information members of the committee already knew. this is a really important issue when a foreign country seeks to interfere with our democratic process and i appreciate brennan coming. >> bill: what he talked about was the contacts between russian officials and some of those connected to the trump team. what you were asking specifically was about collusion for the election and points after. so did you get greater clarification on number one or number two, the collusion or the contact? >> well, we already knew -- this won't surprise anybody. foreign actors seek to contact

members of campaigns during campaigns. that should not surprise anyone. the collusion is a specific word but also the specific word that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle like to use. three california democrats have all used the words evidence and collusion. none of those three have any idea. they aren't fact witnesses. i wanted to ask the fact witness, is there evidence of collusion? there are other important issues, contacts is important, coordination is important, all of that, but the word collusion, conspiracy, coordination, to me is one of the questions in that investigation and when why i asked. >> bill: do you have evidence of collusion today? >> i do not. i'm not a fact witness and why we have to talk to the 36 witnesses we'll bring in. >> bill: does john brennan have evidence of collusion? >> he didn't give it to us yesterday. he took what he had and gave it to the f.b.i. which is the proper place for it to go if it

is a criminal or quasi-criminal investigation. >> bill: you had a private meeting after the public meeting. you won't give up much on that. chfor our viewers. >> more particularly. i think brennan said how devastating leaks are. we went into that and how to stop them. i think we alluded to the fact that the russians are not the friend of any american. so they will collect information on secretary clinton, president trump. they may release all of it or some of it. i'm interested in what they did not release because it helps me understand their motive. >> bill: specific question here. did you learn something in the private hearing that leads you in a new direction today? >> i did, bill. i've been headed in the same direction for the last three months. i want to talk to every single

witness that has access to firsthand information. i want to under russian efforts. if there was collusion. keep in mind the question i asked before. direct with president trump, direct with his campaign or direct with hanger on folks who aren't official. those are three different things. i want to know the answer to all three of them. >> bill: is that like a carter page connection, the third one? >> i'm sure you have people in your life that claim to know you but they really don't. i suspect presidential candidates have people that represent access to them that really do not have that. >> bill: now you were asking questions about the unmasking. what were you going for there? >> we're not going the reauthorize these surveillance programs if the american people aren't satisfied that their security will be safeguarded. leaks are one issue.

the unmasking within the intelligence community, that is a privilege to be able to request that a u.s. person's name be unmasked. i want to know who is making the request and if it is late in your tenure like the day you leave office that should send off alarms and sirens in your head as to why that person did it. >> bill: two more questions on that. do you have evidence the obama administration abused the unmasking? and the procedures under the law? >> i don't have a good definition for the word abused. i need to know what the policies and procedures are and i need to know the full universe of unmasking requests. were any denied? were some granted with scant evidentiary basis? i don't want to accuse any administration of doing something until i have access to the facts. it is certainly legitimate lane of inquiry. >> bill: you're saying it's a possibility. >> it is a possibility among lots of other possibilities including that they followed

the policies and followed the procedures. i want to know if there were certain trends. more requests at the end? were certain people making the request? >> bill: last question and i have to run. thank you for your time. do you believe this is how the obama team could have spied on the trump team? is that a possibility or not? >> i don't want to use the word spy. the unmasking, while very important, unmaskings that don't result in leaks is one category of internal deliberation. the unmaskings that result in leaks of classified information, that's a crime. so i want to be fair to the president. i'm not going to accuse him or anyone of spying until i have all the unmaskings, until we have an end to the leak investigation. >> bill: there is a lot to go through. i hope you come back. thank you for your time. i'm out of time here. thank you, sir, on the hill. >> shannon: we're awaiting the president's arrival in brussels.

up next belgium. we'll bring you his arrival live as it happens. in manchester more arrests and police getting ready to brief reporters. we'll take you there live when it happens.

>> bill: we're listening to the press conference. manchester police about to brief reporters in england. the associated press reports out of libya that the father of the accused killer said the following. we don't believe the killing of inoh center. this is not us. his son was in libya a month and a half ago and preparing to visit saudi arabia. so as we try and figure out, as we piece together where he has been over the past several months, we now start to

consider a trip in libya where we know terrorist training camps are up and running. some have already been bombed by the u.s. military to date. there is a report out of france suggesting he had also traveled to syria. although that's not confirmed and sebastian gorka would not confirm that either. we're trying to piece together his life and where he has been as we try and get more clues and possibly more arrests today. >> shannon: we will keep an eye on that presser coming up. hopefully we'll learn even more. we're awaiting president trump's arrival in brussels. kevin corke is there live as well. kevin, what is the president's agenda for this? would it be fair to say his visit is being met with anticipation, anxiety? how are they feeling about it? >> i think it depends on who you talk to. one hand there is great deal of anticipation as the president

makes his way to brussels but there is also anxiety. in particular among some circles as it relates to economic stability with the e.u. this is the home of the european union. security cooperation clearly will be the major headline here as it relates in particular to the north atlantic treaty organization and what will be the u.s. role in nato moving forward. the president said he no longer considers nato obsolete but admits he feels like in order for the organization to be successful, member nations have to do their fair share and pay their fair share, 2% of gdp. >> shannon: all right. kevin corke live as we await the president's arrival in brussels as well. >> bill: we should see air force one. an hour ago it left rome, italy. now the arrival of president trump in brussels. after this historic moment that the president tweeted about just about an hour ago. the coverage continues overseas as we get a quick break here on

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>> shannon: we want to take you straight to manchester, england. we've getting an update from police. >> they're likely to take four to five days. after that we'll be in a position to formally name the victims in line with guidance from the coroner. i would also like to confirm we have spoken to all of the families of those that lay injured in our hospitals and, of course, we're doing all we can to support all of them, too. you will be aware that the level of activity in this investigation is intense and is continuing at a fast pace. we have made three further arrests in connection with attacks overnight and this afternoon we entered an address in manchester city center using a controlled explosion. officers are currently at the scene searching that address. but in order to execute that

entry, we did have the close a main line railway line for a short period. this now has reopened as we continue those searches. so that brings the total number of people in custody currently to four. people across greater manchester will have seen a significant increase in the number of armed offices on mobile patrol and static points across the city. we have been supported by forces from across the northwest and beyond and this forms part of our well tried and tested plans for any major terrorist attack. with the announcement from the prime minister last night of the increase in the threat level to critical, you will be aware that the military are supporting policing across the country under the code name operation temperate. this is the military being used to guard iconic sites and other sites outside of london and across parts of the north.

this frees up armed police officers to then give the police service capacity to deploy them to places like manchester as part of our plans for keeping the country safe. what i would confirm is that there are no military personnel patrolling the streets of greater manchester nor are there any plans for that to happen at this time. the armed police that is now available throughout the rest of the country is being used to supplement my officers here in manchester enabling us to work to make sure that the planned manchester games and 10k run go ahead this weekend. we obviously had significant plans in place with events of city council around the annual events. we're reviewing those plans with organizers and the city council in light of this week's attack to make sure that we can allow them to go ahead in a

safe an environment as possible. i'm happy to take a couple of questions at this point. >> have you found the bomb factory? >> we're carrying out extensive searches of premises across manchester. it would be ill-advised of me to comment. >> are you searching for the person who put the bomb together and is the search for a bomb maker? >> it's clear this is a network we're investigating. as i said, it continues at a pace this extensive investigation going on and activity taking place across greater manchester. thank you very much. thank you. >> shannon: you've been listening to the latest update from manchester police saying there are four total people in custody. they also carried out as a controlled explosion in manchester getting to further evidence, they hope. they've talked about the families of the victims. all these shreds of evidence they're looking at a network.

they're not treating it as if it was a lone wolf. >> bill: all that is happening now. shannon bream and bill hemmer, a new hour of "america's newsroom." a lot to keep track of. the family is talking in libya and the father was saying the son was in libya a month and a half ago. we'll work that into our coverage throughout the morning. >> shannon: we want to go to greg palkot live in manchester. what more do we know now? >> i was listening in on that press conference as you and the viewers were. the key point coming out of that is we are investigating a network. we're looking into a network. the people supporting this guy. he was bad enough and hit those young girls, those teenagers, those people at the arena, at that concert monday night. the arena just behind us right now. there were other people helping and that is what they are going for. today there were more raids. three arrests made in the

southern side of this city. people connected to the attack and another raid near a train stations. officials saying he did have help. this as the terror threat level in the u.k. has been raised to its highest to critical. it hasn't been there for 10 years. that means troops deployed on the streets of the u.k. in itic buckingham palace and number 10 downing street, the home of the prime minister. there is a big football game this weekend in london. we're learning more about the suspect, the dead suspect, the person responsible for that horrible bombing. his name 22-year-old salman abedi. british born of libyan parents. conservative muslim family but also said that at least in the past year he had been radicalized according to various reports and had contact with extremists in the area and was on the police radar, even went back to libya and returned from libya just about a week

ago. other unconfirmed reports that he had spent time in syria and had direct contacts with isis. a lot of questions right now, shannon. >> shannon: greg, are we getting more information about the victims? >> sadly. this is what makes this terror attack different than just about any that we've covered across europe in the past couple of years. the horrible casualty toll. the latest 22 dead, 64 injured. that's a new figure. 64 now in hospitals. eight hospitals around this area. 20 remain in critical condition. remember, it's a couple days. they're still fighting for their lives. sadly, several of them young people, children. again, the victims are in these hospitals and they are not just children, they are people in their 20s, 30s, 40s. parents, we learned, who were waiting for their kids to come out of this ariana grande concert on monday night. we learn at least two sets of

parents killed. the children survive. what a horrible ending to that concert. we're getting identifications of the victims. we're up to 12 now of the 22 who were killed and again, it tells the tale. an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, a 14-year-old. a 15-year-old, an 18-year-old but folks in their 20s, 30s, 40s. this horrible attack, which caused havoc at the end of that concert and absolute terror outside of the arena that monday night. it is continuing to unfold. the people here in manchester continuing to grieve this horrible loss as we've just been listening the police, authorities here doing their best to come to the bottom of it. back to you. >> shannon: and to hear about those victims. reminder. we should never become so callous that these become common place. thank you, greg. >> bill: stay tuned for more on that. meanwhile here at home there are top officials in the trump team now on the hill defending

the budget plan. nick mulvaney testifying before the house committee at this point. mike emanuel. what is his message so far. >> he is making the case for tough choices in the budget blueprint and getting credit from republicans for seeking to reduce and eliminate deficits late in the next 10 years. here is mulvaney from moments ago. >> what we've been doing for too long, both parties, by the way, in this city have been taking money from people without laying out a plan for how we're ever going to pay it back. we start doing that with this budget. this budget does balance within the 10-year window. something that is completely new in this town. >> democrats didn't wait long yesterday before ripping this budget plan for tightening the belt on domestic spending. >> this budget steals hundreds of billion yons of dollars from

critical job creating investments, infrastructure, education. >> decimate healthcare options for rural americans. >> harder for working families to get the healthcare they need. harder for families to put food on the table. >> passing the budget will be critical. that will be the vehicle to do tax reform with a simple majority vote in the senate. >> bill: one other questions. what are the expectations of the cost on the healthcare proposal, mike? >> we are awaiting the congressional budget office analysis of the cost and impact of the republican healthcare plan. a critical number that lawmakers in both the house and senate have been waiting on. paul ryan talked yesterday about waiting on those numbers. >> we want to have an abundance of caution to make sure cbo scores have been unpredictable in cases in the past. we don't think it will be the case but we want to make sure we dot our is and cross our ts

and when we send the bill over to the senate it isn't fatal. >> expectations are we'll hear from them late this afternoon or this evening and we'll get plenty of reaction based on their predictions. >> bill: good to have you on the hill. mike emanuel listening as we go. >> shannon: turning now more on this, fox news politics editor chris stirewalt. good to see you. i want to read to you a little bit from the "wall street journal." in a piece here they talk about how the president is being a little too optimistic. they talk about this 3% growth assumption that is being made to support this budget. the problem is the trump administration has locked in its assumption at 3% growth despite having to release detailed plans for tax relief and other proposals assuming the growth to increase defense spending and a promise not to touch medicare or the retirement portion of social but never explains how the add

min traition's policies will actually get that done? >> there's that. look, all president's budgets are dead on arrival on capitol hill. it will be said a bunch of times donald trump's budget never got past and could never past the budget nor would they pass anybodys. this as citizens and mammals who live in this country we should be happy that democrats and republicans are returning to the process of trying to have budgets. something they didn't do for a long time. >> shannon: i think it's fair to say as you mention with the budgets there were a couple of president obama's last budgets that were voted down 98-0. they come and say that's cute, a framework. now let us write the budget. >> not governing political documents. it's a political, not governing document. the white house says these are the cuts we would make trying to make good on promises to the republican base. trying to make good on promises

to trump's voters to say we're cutting these things. the problem with trump's new ideology for the republican party. more spending and more cuts and calls for a lot more and a lot less at the same time and that's not something that is easy to get through congress. we'll have to come up with their own plan. >> shannon: i've never seen somebody who love budgets mick mulvaney. he wanted that job and he is so excited. i think he enjoys going before the press corps in the briefing room sparring over this thing. he knows the details of it. when they pressed him on the idea of 3% growth saying it's ridiculous and not realistic, he talked about how the previous budgets by the previous administration would rely on 1.9% growth. he said that's pessimistic. while we're talking to you we're seeing air force one with the president and first lady touchdown in brussels where he

will go to nato meetings. another level of discussion of the potentially tense conversations he will have there as we're watching as that comes in. we'll cover that as he disemotion barks from the plane as well. in the meantime mulvaney is busy on the hill defending his budget as they try to press forward. a lot of criticism over cuts. of course, the left immediately says it's heartless, a no starter, all good stuff for rich people and bad stuff for poor people. >> can i say about the moment you're watching with the plane landing in brussels? which is as -- this is the inverse and opposite moment for what president trump experienced in saudi arabia. when he arrived in saudi arabia they put his picture on the building, they cheered him in the streets. it was an authoritarian state but it was a place where they were super enthusiast particular to see president trump arrived. when he gets to brussels today it's a very different crowd. the leaders of nato just as he

will face later on with elite economies of the world, these are leaders who are very skeptical of him and very concerned about what his commitments are to nato and europe and what role america will play. he has a lot more diplomacy to do now than the first two stops. >> shannon: he said he is worried about their commitments. a plan for a lot of these countries, most of them who aren't paying it to somehow get a plan together to show how they start paying it by 2024 is the target year and criticized them for not doing well enough on terrorism and not being committed to that as well. i understand one of the things he is going to do is part of a commitment of some type of 9/11 memorial. that's significant. nato points to the fact that's the time one and only time that they actually marshaled all their defense forces to come to the aid of one of the members. a lot of conversation that some of it may be uncomfortable. >> article 5 commemorating, an

attack on one is an attack on all is a big deal. this is a demonstration for trump that, in fact, this is the best, most effective treaty organization in the history of the world. in the era of global politics, this is the best thing coming and going. and commemorating 9/11 and how nato responded in afghanistan, yes, obviously these countries won't make the kind of military commitments that the united states can because we're the united states. their message to president trump is pretty clear. this is the best thing we've got. as the west, as the anglos, as all these entities collected into one cone concept for sticking up. >> shannon: we're the dogon united states. >> bill: mick mulvaney.

his message with regard to the budget. we won't measure our success by how much money we spend but rather by how many people we actually help. he went on we need folks to work and people to go to work. if you're on food stamps and able-bodied we need you to work. there is a necessity to work. a lot of message he is taking to the hill on that. while that debate continues at home let's reflect what we've seen so far just today. you had the president and first family with pope francis earlier today at the vatican. where the president, upon leaving vatican city en route to belgium said this was the highest honor of his life in so many words when he sent out the tweet in his meeting with pope francis. they spent 30 minutes together in private and the public photo we see on the screen. >> shannon: he said he was saying i won't forget what you said. it's a private conversation between two very important world figures. we know they exchanged gifts

and they -- it's interesting to note they talked a lot about peace and apparently the medallion that is traditional for the pope to give to a visiting u.s. president or world leader signifies that and that's been something he has publicly talked about with this president wanting to take care of immigrants and be peaceful. things that they may have had some differences on. >> bill: they butt heads in how you get to peace. there are differences between the two men but obvious based on his reaction the impact a visit to the vatican can have on a human being and a private meeting with pope francis. he has now visited riyadh, saudi arabia, jerusalem and the vatican on this singular trip. as he goes into nato, think about the context that he arrives in brussels, belgium now. he goes into a country that has been a hot bed of terror throughout europe for the last two years and maybe prior to that. we know a year ago march when

those terrorists went to the airport in brussels, belgium and the metro station at the same time and exploded their suicide bombs, there on belgian property. you have november of 2015, the raid. those killers came from brussels, belgium. a neighborhood on the western edge of brussels and that neighborhood has shown the willingness of this network in that country to travel to syria and back again. to travel to syria and get trained and get instruction and come back again. you have open borders throughout the continent of europe. it is an issue. we do not know how they will resolve that. this president is well aware of that. and he goes trying to deliver a message of just like he said to the sunni leaders in saudi arabia, you've got to get a handle on this. now. >> shannon: he talked about how we'll be a partner in that. the u.s. will join forces with those who are trying to drive out the terrorists but as you

said, bill, he called on them saying it is up to you to drive them out of your communities, out of your holy places and put the onus on them where they're starting and spreading like a cancer throughout europe and we're about to see him arrive there on the steps of air force one. >> bill: mark thiessen is with us now. what do you believe the message to nato leaders is today? >> we have to take the terrorist threat seriously, the same in saudi arabia and israel. the threat is rear. we saw it rear its ugly head again in england. it happened in brussels and in paris. and we need to address this. this is the challenge that we have to address as an alliance. >> bill: israel's defense minister made a comment during an interview in the past 24 hours and what he talked about is the continent of europe and its politically-correct character. those are the words he chose.

he talked about there is a lot of talk from the leaders but little action. do you believe there has been any action coming out of the brussels airport or paris or manchester from 36 hours ago? >> it varies from country to country. when we witness in paris and brussels those intelligence services were clearly unprepared. they have a huge problem with influx of refugees that isis has said they are using the refugee flows to infiltrate europe and bring terrorists into europe and so that's a huge problem for them. they have a problem in europe that we don't have in the united states. much harder for them to get to the united states than europe. they also have another problem. we here in the united states for most of our history have had a tradition of the melting pot where people come here and they become very quickly in a single generation become americans. when you move to france, you

don't necessarily become french in a generation. when you move to belgium you don't necessarily become belgium in a generation. there is an alienation that we don't experience in the united states. >> bill: the problem with extremism among muslim use are not integrated into the society. we've seen it in france, belgium and england today. until he says -- until you adopt universal european values this will not change. >> you can't force people to do that. it's part of the culture. if you go to minneapolis where there is a huge muslim generation, in one generation they're riding skateboards and being very american. that's the natural inclination unless they're raised by people who try to withhold them from having those values because they feel like they're american. when you come here, you become an american quickly. my mother came from poland, my father was first generation from germany. i'm as american as apple pie in a single generation.

you don't have that happening in europe in the same way. they are seen as other in europe. they are not seen as french or belgian or british. and that's a big problem for their society is that they are not -- they don't have the tradition of the melting pot that we do. that causes a great deal of alienation and they don't have the security structures we do as well. >> shannon: overseas talking about where this young man was living there was a neighborhood with other people who were libyan directly from libya who were trying to escape qaddafi at some point and shares some strains of what he may have gotten involved with as well. there were people who claimed that they were doing fundraising for islam groups in libya through his mosque. that report came back in 2011. the imam of his mosque denied that but said when he preached against isis he saw something he called the face of hate in this young man.

we have reports from neighbors and others. it sounds like there was enough there to concern people had they reported it elsewhere. it may have been enough of a flag or helpful clue to authorities. >> absolutely. there are reports as well he traveled to libya recently. so he may have been coordinating directly with terrorists over there if that's true. but this is also why what donald trump said in saudi arabia was so important. he pointed out that 95% of the victims of islamic radicalism are muslims. the number one victims of this terrorism are fellow muslims. they are at a higher rate than carrying out attacks in the united states. and in europe as well. we need to rally the people of the muslim world, including muslims living within our countries, to help us fight islamic radicalism. they have as much of an interest, if not more than us in terms of stopping this terrorist, stopping the terrorists. the only way you can do that is

by sending a message that we're on the same side. so it's really important pivot he made in saudi arabia because his domestic politics has been critical of muslim community. he made a pivot in the meeting with muslim leaders saying the majority of muslims are the victims and we need to help them and bring them into our cause. >> bill: thank you, mark. stand by as we see the arrival ceremony. sometimes there are cameras in here and sometimes they are kept far away. so if there is microphone nearby we'll bring it to you. i made my point about why the nato meeting matters, why don't you make yours. >> the nato meeting matters on multiple levels. the future of nato. chris stirewalt pointed out it's the most successful peacetime alliance in all of

history. not just the last couple of century, all of history. it is a bargain for the united states. during the campaign, president trump, now president trump made some ill-judged remarks about nato. he was being influenced by people who didn't have nato's best interests at heart but he seems to be coming around. there are doubts. he has to reassure them. the other level on which this is very important is the real debut for the president on the world stage that the pre-game show is nato, brussels coming up. the main event, the first championship game is going to be at the g7 meeting. president trump has met most of these leaders one-on-one. now he has to be playing for high stakes in a room with the other big powers, japan, canada, britain, italy, france, germany, and it's a high-stakes

game. manchester, terrorism will be a powerful part of the agenda but the europeans are also worried about climate change, maas migration and economics. this is where president trump has to show he read the briefing books and really has to perform and be able to part -- participated in a serious give and take. it's not pre-scripted. when he is in the room with those key leaders he has really got to up his game. >> bill: well, your name was invoked, chris stirewalt. so it is your turn now to respond. >> when colonel peters is talking, i just listen. that's for sure. but he is 100% right about that. this is as hard as it gets from a diplomatic perspective. it is easy when you're dealing with stalwart foes, people like russia, like the chinese are in

a slightly different space. people you know you won't have easy, friendly relations with. the western countries, the european countries are the ones that have to sound things out like you were finding a stud behind drywall to hang up a picture. is this okay? are you okay? are we okay? we talked about the 2%. obviously they don't pay as much for their defense as we think they should. as trump thinks they should. all these things playing out as they talk, this is how -- this trip, these meetings will frame the rest of his time as president as it relates to the most important allies that we have. >> bill: marc thiessen is with us, too. i want to share with our viewers the tweet that the president sent out upon leaving italian airspace. i'll get chris and the colonel to react to this. honor of a lifetime to meet his hollyness, pope francis. i leave the vatican more

determined than ever to pursue peace in our world. peace was in all caps. how do you gauge the significance when a human being has a meeting of that magnitude for the first time in his life? >> well, we'll never know the full internal dynamics of it. but the pope, that's the big leagues. there is that spiritual dimension. and as a soldier i'm all for peace. we're all for peace. the problem is how you get there. that goes back to nato and the g7 meeting. so i think it's healthy that the president is exposed to a wide range of views. it's especially interesting to me the meeting with pope francis because these are two men who as different as they are in virtually every respect, nonetheless, have in their own ways given voice to the people, to those who previously didn't

have a voice. and so it's a fascinating dynamic to watch. >> bill: we're getting more notes, too, about the president's meeting with the pope and this comes from our folks traveling with the president and also rex tillerson, secretary of state. they talked about terrorism and they talked about the radicalization of young people. the vatican secretary of state raised climate change in the meeting encouraging the president to remain in the paris agreement. tillerson said he has not made a decision on that and will not make a decision of afghan troop levels for a couple of weeks, we're told. the u.s. wants nato to formally join the isis coalition. that's an interesting encouragement from overseas on this trip. some countries not totally on board but thinks they will come around. not clear if it would happen during the president's visit.

the manchester attack will strengthen the resolve of nato allies. our white house producer on the road in europe. chris, that last point is very important for both of you to address. the manchester attack and the resolve of nato allies and what is the impact of those events on this meeting today. >> well, our european allies, especially the brits, have learned to deal with terrorism and as part of their lives in a way americans haven't had to do. and when you think about things coming full circle, full circle is that auditorium was built as part of an urban redevelopment project to cover over places where the ira bombed in manchester. the ira trained its bombers in libya. now we see the same connections but through a totally different course running through

manchester, england, again. these are people who over the last 40 years have known radicalism of different flavors, of different styles in their communities. they have learned to live with it in a way americans never have had to do and that's always part of the discussion. >> bill: colonel, i have 15 seconds here before i think we'll lose the motorcade and we'll lose the window, too. go ahead. >> the manchester bombing was indeed a special event because if we needed more evidence, the fact that the terrorists purposely struck kids, twaoens, teens and their moms, that's as vicious as it can get. the bottom line is that for all the military efforts we make, all the security efforts, the fundamental problem in europe and to a lesser extent here is the law. our laws. our laws protect terrorists. we need to update them to make sure they protect the innocent. >> bill: thank you, colonel and chris as well in washington, d.c. as we see the motorcade go

out of view. the nato meeting gets underway shortly in brussels. >> shannon: in the meantime an urgent investigation underway. four people in culls -- custody and thousands of troops locking down that nation. we'll talk to new york congressman peter king and we are learning about the bomber as detectives and intelligence services follow the twisted trail of a cold blooded killer. >> the police and security partners continue to establish whether he was acting alone or working with a wider network.

>> we don't want to second guess our british cousins. there seems to be a broader circle of individuals of interest. when an attack is this successful it is almost always a group of individuals and a network and a person who has

been trained outside of the country where the attack occurred. >> bill: sebastian gorka last hour from the white house. british authorities concerned another attack could be imminent is the word from england. the possibility the manchester killer had accomplices a major concern, four people in custody already. peter king, republican house homeland security committee and intelligence committee as well. good morning to you. i have a lot to go through right now. i think the word from manchester police 30 minutes ago is significant. this is a network. that was the word they had to come out earlier -- that came out a bit earlier today. can you help illuminate what these british authorities are dealing with now 36 hours later? >> i don't believe they would have used the word network unless they were pretty sure they thought others were involved. this comes, the sophistication of the weapon that was used, type of weapon that one person unless he was very skilled would have had great difficulty

putting together. at the very least that's reason to think there are others involved. also they may have any type of eavesdropping, any type of surveillance which indicates there are others involved in this. the fact that they use the word network is significant. also they have other intelligence. i'm sure they're going through it all now and finding leads other people in that area who may have been involved. >> bill: the french are reporting he went to syria. that hasn't been confirmed by the british authorities. sebastian gorka wouldn't confirm it but a month and a half ago he went to libya. did he visit family or go to a terrorist training camp that some we know were hit several months ago when president obama was leaving office in january? >> that all has to be examined. that's one of the worries we have. so much travel back and forth between people in europe to libya, syria, to the middle east and we know that libya has become a hot bed for terrorism since the fall of qaddafi.

again, islamists are very powerful in libya. that's a main threat to europe. again, this back and forth between europe and countries like syria and libya is very, very troublesome. also the fact that again he comes from again a visa waiver country. he could have flown to the united states and again without having to apply for a visa. these are real the magnitude of the overall issue that's facing the brits right now but also faces us every day and we have to accept that. >> bill: rob o'neill last hour shannon said this about lone wolves. >> it won't be the bomb maker that blows themselves up. they'll give it to one of the mules who can carry it out. someone who wants to be a martyr and go to paradise. a lone wolf doesn't exist. >> bill: is he right? >> i would say he is. he is almost right on

everything. again, that wasn't a suicide bomber. he was in there involved in the shoot-out there. so to put together a weapon of this -- if you have something this sophisticated put together you probably won't have the person lose his life because you need that skill. but as far as lone wolves, there are lone wolves. they get radicalized over the internet. people as president trump said are losers. that is one element of it, the lone wolf. to me i'm as concerned about the lone wolf but also about people who are part of a network, a loose network. people have actually trained in the middle east. there are different levels of threats we face. they are all islamists, one way or another. >> bill: the president will meet with nato leaders. in the context of manchester what is his message? >> the brits are very good at cooperating but for them to

realize it's an all-out effort. some other countries thought the u.s. overreacted to 9/11, going too far and didn't always cooperate with us on airline fly lists, that type of thing. it's important we stand together and that we again realize this threat is there. we can't be politically correct. we have to acknowledge and say that the threat comes from islamist terrorism. >> bill: these european countries have been exposed to it in a significant away in the last 2 1/2 years. thanks. >> shannon: tucker carlson with a message to u.s. leaders in the middle of a terror investigation. >> you've seen this before and you know what's going to happen next. unfortunately our leaders will tell us that acts of terror are something that happens like the weather. accept it and move on. >> shannon: a fair and balanced debate next.

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>> if you really cared about america you wouldn't want it to become europe. dangerous, divided, unstable. you wouldn't import a massive muslim minority into your country because they made you feel open minded and make you feel the best. that's a faith-based approach and it is nuts. >> shannon: following the deadly bombing in manchester. he tackled the topic of the president's travel ban warning u.s. lawmakers embracing multi-cultural list many at the expense of security. can we do both? richard fowler is a radio talk show host. richard, what do you make of those warnings from tucker? >> here is the thing. i think we do have a problem with terrorism and isis and self-radicalization. we don't solve that problem with a clenched fist but an open hand. if we want moderate muslims to

stand up and say terrorism is wrong and we want them out as the president said earlier this week. we have to say we embrace muslims. we don't embrace the radical groups and the terrorists. we're a nation of immigrants. we have the statue of liberty when you are pulling into new york via ship. because that's who we are. if we turn away from that, the terrorists would have won. that's what we don't want to happen. >> shannon: katie, a lot of folks say that's what we're doing. the president gave the speech in saudi arabia about the words used the describe the people. we are not at war with those of the muslim faith at all but the extremist elements within them that wish to do us all harm and fellow muslims that they don't think are devout enough. he is trying to send a message along the lines of what richard spelled out. >> europe has outreached with an open hand and embraced

multi-culturalism without -- in terms of the president, richard is right. we have embraced muslims as a faith. president trump who very specifically tailored his trouble ban to not muslim countries but failed state countries like libya where this suicide bomber apparently visited before the attack and he was criticized for it. you can't have it both ways. you either allow the united states in the matter of security to tailor travel bans to look at where the terrorism is coming from without accusing the people who are doing it of racism or zdeno phobia or take some responsibility for letting everybody come in and not doing a good job of vetting those people who then turn to terrorism and kill western people. >> shannon: the travel ban tied up in court now. the second version. it dropped iraq from the

countries that were part of the freeze but they were identified as troublesome under the obama administration. i want to play what we got from former c.i.a. director robert gates talking about this and talking about the west. >> sadly, manchester may be a harbinger of more such activities in the west as people leave -- scurry away from those sites and that doesn't mean they are defeated individually or that they've lost their commitment to attacking the crusaders or whatever they want to call them. it just means they will change their tactics. >> shannon: we've heard this talk of crusaders, those viewed as opponents of the radical islamic elements to go after them, soft targets, concerts, malls, how do we thread the needle that you and katie have been starring upon and making

this country safe. vetting people but allow good people in and would help us in this fight. >> that's a good fight. i got a chance to visit a high school in deer born, michigan. a majority of the population is of the muslim faith. they're from places like syria, libya, lebanon and they will tell you that they aren't terrorists. they are people who want to come to america and live the american dream. when you put in the travel ban and you block those individuals from coming in because you are trying to stop the one or two crazy people or losers as donald trump would call them, you defeat the purpose and you lead to more self-radicalization. they feel as though the developed world is saying we hate all muslims. that's not true but that's how they feel. we have to sort of thread this needle in how we do it is by opening our hands to muslims and saying we need your help to find out who these terrorists are. find out who is self-radicalizing. point them out to us and work together to solve the problem. >> shannon: based on the look

of katie's face i have to give her a final word. >> americans have gone above and beyond in terms of tolerating the things that richard is claiming we don't open our arms to. a lot of this multi-culturalism has been tolerated for a long time. embracing cultural norms of western countries which we haven't been seeing in muslim communities in europe and we've done a better job here at home but we also saw recently the first female genital mutilation case coming out of michigan which is about that community as well. i think that to say americans need to do more is offensive considering how much they've done already to embrace them. >> shannon: we have to leave it there. we can't solve it in 2:30. good to see you both. >> bill: now we're learning "the late show" stephen colbert in the hot seat after not wanting to apologize for what he said about president trump.

we'll tell you how the fcc is handling that in a moment.

>> bill: stephen colbert is apparently in the clear. the fcc announcing it won't take action against him after he was under fire for a lewd joke about president trump and vladimir putin. howard kurtz is looking at it. here is the statement from the fcc. consistent withstand ard operating procedure, the fcc's enforcement bureau has reviewed the complaints and the material the subject of these complaints. the bureau concluded there is nothing actionable under the fcc rules. okay. there is the decision. are you surprised? >> not surprised at all. never thought the fcc would take any action against cbs over the crude and disgusting sexual joke that stephen colbert made about president

trump. you can say whatever the blank you what if you're on after 10:00 at night. the federal communication commission considers to be a safe zone and fewer kids are watching at those hours. the one most crude sexual slang term was bleeped in the joke it wasn't technically -- >> bill: are there hard and fast rules for this, or is this open to interpretation and definition? >> i guess what's obscene or unacceptable or worthy of a fine is ultimately up to the individual fcc commissioners but what a contrast. even though there are thousands of complaints in this case. >> bill: i have 5,700 complaints, right? decency, hate speech, homophobia. >> exactly. it was a homophobia joke as well. shouldn't lose sight of that. remember the fcc at the time hit cbs with a fine of more than a half million dollars over the janet jackson brief

wardrobe malfunction incident. that was not okay. that happened during the super bowl, mass audience, lots of kids watching. i don't want the fcc when you get to be a national nanny. this was very unfunny, this joke. it can be a slippery slope. the fcc could have acted here just to send a message. >> bill: you aren't surprised, put a fine point on this. what does amaze you is the lack of outrage that you heard on behalf of the media or did not hear? >> well, it was the silence that was deafening. there was some criticism in the media. ultimately this is not a matter for government but here you have late night host. almost all anti-trump now except for jimmy fallon making this incredibly crude joke about putin and trump and yet i didn't hear a lot of the pieces written or talk on television about how he should apologize.

instead he had a lame non-apology. i didn't hear a lot of denunciation, i think the standards have shifted if this kind of joke was made about barack obama a lot more people with their hair on fire. that to me was more telling than whether this government agency takes action or not action. same thing with bill mar making a crude sexual joke about his daughter. >> bill: howie kurtz there in washington >> shannon: breaking news continues to come in on the manchester concert attack. police now say they are on the hunt for a terror network. that's the word they use, responsible for this bombing. what we know as it comes in. we'll bring it to you live.

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about these families, the children, were waiting for them. the >> bill: weather is so appropriate for that last night. manchester police say very clearly, this is a network. will see the president and a couple of minutes live. have a great day. >> new arrests today and fears that another terror attack may be eminent. >> leland: nice to be with you. i'm leyland and for jon scott. a british prime minister may opt the terror threat level to critical with growing concern that the bomber had accomplices who are now planning another attack. the manchester chief of police said it's clear they are investigating a network. this is new. as the british military secures high-profile sites across the united kingdom. and london, the changing of the guard at buckingham palace