>> sandra: president trump arriving in belgium today, getting an official red carpet greeting. taking a photo with a king and queen at the royal palace before holding closed-door talks with the prime minister. this after a highly publicized face-to-face with the pulp at the vatican this morning. the president told reporters they had a interesting meeting. the vatican releasing a statement saying the two men discussed the promotion of peace in the world through political negotiation and interreligious dialogue. tomorrow, mr. trump will attend a key summit of nato which mr. trump has really criticized and threatened to leave. we'll have much more in the president's trip coming up. fox news alert. great britain on high alert at the manchester concert attack that left 22 people dead. and scores more injured. many still in the hospital, a lot of them children. the nation raising its threat

level to critical which means an attack could happen at any time. this has been when the suspected suicide bomber, a british citizen, born to libyan parents, was known to security forces, and it's unlikely he acted alone. this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, cohost of after the bell on fox business, melissa francis, and today's #oneluckyguy, former ray pelikan president candidate, fox news contributor, and radio talk show host, herman cain is here. he is outnumbered. we very much look forward to getting our perspective on all these events. >> herman: i'll be happy to and i love you. this is delightful. happy to be back. >> sandra: british people saying four people are now in custody and connection with monday's terrific concert bombing as british authorities raced to prevent another attack that they say could be imminent. this is a community and a nation are reeling from the innocent

lives lost. among the dead, as reported yesterday, an 8-year-old girl, believed to be the youngest victim there to see pop star ariana grande with her mom and sister. also killed a brave and to shield her niece from the explosion and a married couple who leave behind two daughters, now orphaned. in the meantime, we are learning the suspected suicide bomber, chaffetz was on the authority's radar and had reported the return from libya recently. a shocked neighbor who said he seemed like a normal soccer playing kid, expresses concern that he and others may have missed the warning signs. >> the fact that he's been been able to live there for so long live under the radar, it's appalling. i think we are all still asking ourselves questions about how could we not have known?

>> sandra: greg palkot joins us live from manchester. >> we heard from authorities just a short time ago and they confirmed what we have been reporting for a bit now, that it looks like and their words, there certainly was a network backing up, supporting the guy that committed this terrible act at the arena behind us on monday night, killing and injuring all those young people, people of all ages. police have been active in trying to round out this network. there have been raids today, three people arrested today, another raid at the center of manchester today. four people under arrest, and custody, thought to have some kind of connection supporting this attack. the terror threat has been increased here in the u.k. to the most severe, the critical level. that means that authorities think perhaps another attack in a similar vein could be coming.

we see more troops on the streets, including the buckingham palace, the parliament, as well as big events like a huge football game happening this weekend in londo london. we are learning about the attacker, his name, salman abedi. he is born of libyan parents. his family was conservative, but all reports are saying he was radicalized in the last couple of years. he did make that trip to libya just before this attack and may be, had contacts with isis itself in syria. the big story here, the casualties, the victims, the dead, the injured. 22 dead, 64 now and hospital. we've been here for 2 days and

no one has recovered enough to leave. many of them young, these victims are in different hospitals of all ages, including for example, a parent of one of the young people who went to this concert. among those killed, parents, husband and wife, waiting for their child, their children to come out. the children came out, they were killed. identifications of the 22 dead, we are getting about 12 or 14 of them now identified and again, confirming the sad sad story here, the young girl, the young children killed, 12 years old, 15 years old, eight years old, as will as young people in their 20s, 30s, 40s. the news we got a short time ago, a police officer was also killed. it was a woman, she was off duty, she was there with her

husband. sad, tragic story. this city and this country are still reeling from it. >> sandra: greg palkot, thank you. near congressmen and homeland security midi member, peter king says the manchester attacks should be a warning to americans. he is calling for more surveillance of muslim communities. watch. >> this can be a vivid wake-up call to all americans to realize how real this threat is. the threat of islamist terrorism is real, it can strike anytime anywhere. we in the red states are main targets. we should be monitoring where the threat can be coming from. it means mosques, it means dealing with the overseas allies. any information they have, anyone that would be coming from their country into the united states. we need to find out who is being radicalized and who is not. we can't let our guard down and we need to realize this is not

going after any particular religion. >> sandra: are we being realistic as a country about how real this threat is and how great it is? >> herman: i don't think so, not yet. the way king was talking, it reminds me that one thing they were doing that we are not doing here, they've allowed isolation in some of these communities rather than insisting upon becoming a part of that community. secondly, you must let the authorities do their jobs. they had this guy on a list. they had identified him, but because of political correctness, they didn't nab him and pick him up. i think a wake-up call for us back at home is allow the authorities to do their jobs. the good news is, president trump has said to the authorities of all different agencies, i've got your back, we have your back. that's what they need to be vigilant about, not worry so

much. >> sandra: something we've talked about on the scotch many times, you find out there on a watch list, they are interviewed by the fbi, but they let them go because there was no illegal activity, there was nothing that they could hook them on. >> harris: the other thing is really difficult is keeping up with everybody. you won't haul them all in because we don't have guantanamo light on our soil, but you can't watch thousands of people. you have 500 or so, can you imagine the backlash politically if they do that, but the necessity for them to do that when a prime minister of the u.k. yesterday, theresa may said this is imminent now. i'm raising the threat level to critical because another attack is imminent. they are really on the threshold of making history again with rounding people up, which we've seen or not.

>> herman: i happen to believe that if you allow these agencies and these law enforcement agencies to do their jobs, they have targeted approaches, but you are right, it would be huge political backlash. >> sandra: are using the authorities in the end of states are not able to do their jobs or they are fearful of carrying out their jobs because of political backlash? >> herman: what i'm saying is now they are empowered to do their jobs, contrary to the previous eight years. that was where they stood back because they were afraid of some sort of reprimand. >> sandra: we have a president now he says i got your back. president trump, does he understand how realistic this is? >> meghan: he certainly does. look at what he just said to saudi arabia. he implored the middle east to stop terrorism. what i want president trump to do as soon as possible as he was silicon valley. this terrorist had a record on twitter of saying incendiary things. had been flagged, maybe god knows if this could've been

stopped. i'm sorry, but if instagram knows what she was i was looking at and can put an and in my feed, they can find out what terms and whatever. the idea that they can't do this, i think that's a load of hogwash. >> harris: >> harris: >> sandra: twitter is so quick to bring down nudity. >> melissa: there is another component. we have to really go through and see what's accurate, but there were signs to family members and to friends. it makes me think of some of the shootings that have been here in the u.s. for totally different reasons, but for the family and the parents, there were signs and we have to get a point where the people who are closest to someone who might be doing this feel responsible, feel safe enough to go out and say to authorities, i think this person might be struggling and might be about to do something because

that's the last line of defense. >> harris: used the word safety and security, but sometimes it is and about that. it's about the close-knit nature that they have. go to minneapolis in the suburbs now where some of the members of the simile, muslim community have moved out from the city. they are struggling, but they're trying to put more muslim police officers on the force, they know they have some issues. it's less about security and more about them feeling like they're a part of things. they had upwards of ten people, young people who were thought to be trying to join isis. they are convictions, confessions. it was a difficult situation. it may continue to be for a while. >> sandra: those parents of a terrorist now don't have a chil child. i hear what you're saying about the communities, but myself as a parent, if i saw my child looking at dangerous things, doing dangerous things, i would want to save them from themselves.

>> herman: the authorities know where we ought to do more surveillance. they have to do their jobs. >> sandra: in the meantime, they've had their fair share of public spats, but president trump and pope francis were mostly smiles when they met at the vatican this morning. what the president is saying about that visit. plus, the praise mr. trump is getting for his first overseas trip, even from who would have guessed, some democrats. is he effectively changing the narrative for the better? anna could have a a big impactn the gop's plan to replace obamacare, what gets handed down today that could boost or possibly sink the bill that passed recently in the house

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we are liking very much. we're liking italy very, very much. it's an honor to be with the pope. >> meghan: all this as the first foreign trip is generally getting positive views. says a needed, former advisor to president obama, the trip has gone as well as could have been desired. john podesta who chaired hillary clinton's failed presidential campaign grudgingly giving praise. >> i think he is doing okay, but it's prescriptive. a descriptive trip. he's not interacting with the press. he's reading words off a teleprompter and he's in very friendly audiences. >> meghan: everyone's laughing on the couch. >> melissa: he said hillary clinton lost because of

james comey, not because she ran a bad campaign. that's next and comment. i didn't mean to cut you off, but we were all laughing. >> meghan: can i give you -- other than the fact that he's conducted himself extremely well, he hasn't been tweeting about cable shows, he hasn't been talking about his electoral win, and he hasn't been complaining about and about anyone treating him unfairly in the past eight days. >> herman: that is a fair observation. every time he tweets, someone takes a word or phrase and they run with it like a dog chasing a rabbit on a trail. what podesta said about her being scripted, what president doesn't have scripts on foreign trips? yes it scripted. all of them are. >> meghan: the ceremony when he got to saudi arabia with everyone dancing, that seem pretty casual.

>> herman: that comment, that's why we started laughing. that's why i was laughing. he is out of his mind. the fact he hasn't done as much tweeting is a good thing, but he should not give up tweeting, he just need to be more controlled. >> meghan: do you think he is successfully changing his narrative? >> herman: yes. i have described president trump domestically as a setting a new positive tone from the top. this trip said to me he is also setting a positive tone for the world and i think what you said in your introduction of this proves that and that's what's driving liberals crazy. that's why their heads are exploding. they wanted him to fall on his face. >> sandra: to have faith he can keep that momentum when he comes back to washington? >> herman: nichols echoes righk

to what he's been doing. they're going to forget all about the positives when he took this trip, they'll revert back. >> harris: i'm with you. what i think is interesting about the narrative when you talk about him coming home, he is getting ready to meet with the prime minister today, they were talking -- that's one thing and will get some tapes from that shortly. tomorrow, nato. remember some of the things the president has said about nato being obsolete. he's owning the world stage right now is the president of the united states. they want him to sign onto the collective protection agreement. it's up to him whether he does that. you can talk anything we want when he's back on u.s. soil, but right now the world is watching

him on a different stage and that could very well have some residual effect when he returns. >> herman: here's what i expect from the nato meeting with the president. the united states has plenty of skin in the game, his point is the rest of you have to up your game. the other ones that will be uncomfortable and awkward, not president trump. to say we might withdraw, that's part of the dealmaking. >> melissa: one of the interesting things on this trip is the second layer of the people that are surrounding him. you've noticed dena powell, she is smart and powerful, she knows what she's doing. we've seen more of the team and we've seen them do some really interesting and good work. something to look forward to. a speech he's getting a lot of credit for how well he did in the middle east. some top white house officials heading to capitol hill to testify as the battle grows over president trump's new budget. democrats are unloading on it, but republicans say it's a good starting point.

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>> harris: fox news alert. were watching top white house officials on capitol hill today sending -- and attempts to balance the budget over the next decade. white house budget director, mick mulvaney is now appearing before the house budget committee and later today, treasury secretary steve mnuchin will also testify. after criticism to the contrary, mulvaney says that the budget is compassionate while also looking out for taxpayers. >> we won't take any deserving person off of any meaningful programs. we want to help people just as much as you do. republicans care about poor people is much as democrats, just the same as we care about

clean air and healthy drinking water. we look at it from a different perspective which is to balance those who receive the benefits of the folks who pay for the benefits. >> harris: democrats on the attack on the other hand claiming the budget will hurt vulnerable americans. >> when you add it all up, the trump budget is comic book villain bad and just like, books, and relies on fantasy to make all the numbers work. >> donald trump used these techniques. >> this budget along with the relentless attempts to repeal the affordable care act shows an unimaginable level of cruelty. >> this is a killer for the american people. literally a killer. >> harris: we can get into but particulars in the moment, but you are saying something to me before that really impacted me. you said you can talk about issues while the presidents of

the u.s. soil, but you've a problem with democrats right now. >> herman: there belittling their supporters and the american people who are listening to this garbage and that's what it is. schumer is the comic along with all these democrats. they haven't even looked at the budget. here's what they'd don't understand, but they don't admi admit. a blueprint, use and into the house and they change the structure. the democrats haven't even attempted to work with us president. >> sandra: not even that, they are not addressing the root of the problem. they're not talking about the amount of debt we are facing. >> herman: this is a statistic. and the eight years of the obama administration, not one budget proposal even suggested balance. not one. this one is the first one that

does propose to balance the budget. yes, there'll be some fights, some pulling of teeth, but you know will go to build the structure from us and into the house, senate to the senate, hope they don't screw it up and then get it to the president. >> harris: paul ryan has some words about balancing the budget. >> for the first time in eight years, we have a president who is proposing we balance the budget. we've never had that with obama. he never even tried to balance the budget let alone proposed to balance the budget. we now have a president saying i agree with congressional republicans, let's balance the budget. what i see is the president keeping his promises. >> meghan: i don't know as much about the economy, but i will tell you something. i have never seen such intense reaction on social media them when politicians bring up all the way's on the dumb stuff we

spend money on. from the notorious bridge to nowhere to the mating habits of bears in alaska. if i were helping mold this, i would go with a finetooth comb and say this is all the stuff you are paying for. we can all agree it's not a priority and go through and tweet it. if you bring up all we would be saving because of the work, it would line up with -- >> melissa: i am such a fan of mick mulvaney. he is terrific at messaging. the problem with the right has is with expressing why there is compassion and why it's not trying to kill children which is ridiculous because we don't let anyone die in this country. the way he said it when he says we are going to judge compassion by how many people we have in

these programs. we have compassion for the people, for the taxpayer, for the people who are spending balance. n for the people who are getting services. he's such a great speaker. he doesn't take any b.s. >> sandra: has messaging was extremely strong yesterday. republicans have had a messaging problem with this. he's forecasting 3% growth. he said we should be way more ambitious than that. we should get back to normal in this country. he also pointed out, it painted a very clear picture. if you are 30 years old this country, you've never worked and lived in a healthy, robust economy. you never say i'm going to quit my job because i get another one. >> meghan: another messaging

tactic that i would take is that there are a lot of millennials which is why they were so drawn to bernie sanders that feel like their future has been completely robbed of them. again, pointing that out. >> sandra: president trump hiring more catholics to serve as his this amid reports the president fights back reading a war room. former campaign manager the white house may be taking a cue as the whitewater scandal

threatens to consume bill clinton's presidency, his deputy chief of staff who came to be known as the masters of disaster to handle the affair. herman cain, do you think this is a good plan? >> herman: absolutely. president trump, believe it or not, asked me for advice before he entered the presidential rac race. i only gave him one piece of advice, be prepared for lawsuits and counter lawsuits. he is now higher that attorney. i think this is excellent. the war room idea is also excellent because he now realizes being a president is like being in a blender without the top on. he needs some help in getting the top back on the blender. >> harris: outside of having to clean up the floor.

let's talk about the position that his communications team and his press secretary team have been in and this takes the pressure off of them. we've been hearing reports that there may be some changes that happen, will report on that when it happens, so we won't speculate, but what this does is it allows those teams to concentrate on the day-to-day and for the drumbeat that democrats and critics who want to press against this president, there's a separate entity for that, especially important when the president is not on u.s. soil which is what i was alluding to. >> herman: i call it narrative versus facts. it will resist, resist resist, comey, comey, comey. russia, russia, russia. all of these drum beats are talking about, now he's got a group that can focus on bringing about the drumbeat and being a resource to the medication staf staff.

>> meghan: i've had so many conversations about what's going on with president trump's narrative and i've started going back to people who have worked for politicians i know and were complete and total loyalists. how you make a good campaign work it, i say this with love and not in a negative way, but where the mafia boss if you're the candidate and you have to have all who think you are the future of america. there were people who weren't big supporters of him. he seems to understand how president trump's brain works. bringing back some of these loyalists is what i would do from day one. sean spicer, reince priebus, some of these people, of course

their loyalty lies elsewhere. they weren't so positive about him running for president, but you need people bringing this back. >> harris: i would add that when you talk about national security, and all the leaks that have gone on, bringing back loyalists is a good idea. it isn't just about the president knowing he can count on these people, which i imagine might make things more smooth, but if you have leaks, if you put somebody in the war room in charge of finding the leakers, it's better for all of us. >> melissa: and like the separating of the messaging. it makes a lot of sense. if you have one team specifically in charge of these issues that turn into hot potatoes. we watched the press conference on may times in the afternoon and you see it go by. the amount of time they get hung up on whatever, the ridiculous story of the day, they don't get to the real business, however without that party had the ability to say, i'm going to

directed to this person, i'll direct you to this person and they didn't deal with those questions. that would help with the message or the actual work they're doin doing. >> meghan: if they have good people around them, make president trump help him feel empowered. >> sandra: the trip is good for the president. a major moment on capitol hill coming soon. house republicans await their critical report card on the revised obamacare repeal bill. why so much as writing on the cbo score and whether republicans will be able to get this huge agenda done

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the house passed the bill without a cbo score. if the dash republicans might be forced back to the drawing board. it is happening because g.o.p. leaders are counting on the senate using a tactic to pass the belt with 51 votes instead of 60. even of the house bill is sent to the senate without a revote, the senate still plans to make changes. who is following this? a new report that the obamacare policies have now increased by an average of 105% from 2013-2017 and all 39 states that have used the federal exchange. there is now a test on all of that. the cbo score thing drives me insane.

it's some of the worst map on the planet. >> herman: it's a trap by the democrats and here's why. they use a static scoring, number one. they won't use dynamic scoring. number two, you don't listen to the results of that scoring, look at the assumptions is what i'm saying. nobody is reporting on the assumptions. >> melissa: static versus dynamic, he's talking about you don't account for what comes from tax cuts. >> harris: republicans like senator lindsey graham who say we haven't seen a cbo score, it was coming out of the house, he said until we see that, i don't think we'll have it. why are republicans saying they want the cbo score if it's not working? >> herman: he is not helping the republicans and he is not helping the president. >> harris: is there a better gauge we can use?

>> herman: a cbo score could be a benchmark, but that's all it should be. they should spend the time looking the assumptions that went into it. they are not doing that. they really are setting themselves up for failure with that static population. >> sandra: the only thing economists do is protect what happened already. we are not good at forecasting what's going to happen in the future. >> meghan: my biggest concern right now, i was very upset when repeal and replace didn't go through in the house. i'm deeply disappointed and speaker ryan. i was a huge fan of his. i've become less so as this is going on. i'm extremely paranoid that the domestic agenda will get hijacked by all these russia controversies. what were the words you said? i'm concerned that as soon as president trump comes back that it won't get as much play in the

news. a lot of it won't get done. we have too many ideological battles to fight. the more moderates who see this repeal and replace two different ways. if we repeal without replacing replacing -- >> harris: we know insurance companies are ready to hike their premiums. the other thing that's coming up its enrollment again in the next six months. >> sandra: economists look at the past markets here they are predictors of the future. the market place has been predicting the serious failure. economists are always right, we don't have anything else to look at. maybe in the future they need to come up with something else. >> herman: scoring isn't that difficult if they decide to do

it. >> harris: we are breaking in with some news right now. the situation in manchester, england just got more interesting with investigators saying they have arrested a fifth suspect. they are assessing a package. they put that." they offend away from that ariana grande venue where 22 people. young girls of that concert, many of them with their parents. they have arrested a fifth suspect. theresa may has said they are in imminent danger of another attack. they are moving very quickly to scoop up as many in as much information as they can. will move on. president trump is taking some heat now from liberal cohosts of

the view for calling the terrorists behind the manchester attack, evil losers. it will take on this topic, but we'll turn it a little bit. was that on presidential or is this more mainstream media bias? we'll talk about it, stay close what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?

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the >> so many young, beautiful, innocent people, living and enjoying their lives, murdered by evil losers in life. i won't call the monsters because they would like that term. they would think that's a great name. >> meghan: that was president trump yesterday reacting to the news of the manchester terror attack and it didn't take long for the liberal cohosts of the view to bash the president for calling the terrorists behind the attack evil losers. watch. >> i don't feel that was presidential enough to respond that way. hearkening back to president obama who talked about the victims and didn't talk about the bomber, he talked about the victims and talked about how we as a a society to come together. >> he said dozens of innocent people, beautiful young

children, savagely murdered. called for questioning the hateful ideology. >> meghan: i know you so well, i can read that. >> harris: that jv team that president obama called -- >> herman: no, it wasn't presidential. i agree with the president on this loser thing. there losers because they killed innocent people. they don't go to people who have guns who can fight back. secondly, i heard prime minister benjamin netanyahu say years ago that the reason the radical islamic terrorists hate us is because their way of life is lost to our way of life. they are enemies of us having the most powerful military in the world, as well as the amount of freedom. that's what they have lost and their only solution is try to

wipe us out. there losers for two reasons. >> melissa: sebastian gorka was out and he doubled down on this language. it makes a lot of sense. using words like pathetic, cowards, losers, it doesn't lend a sense of power to these people. to say the terrorists are monsters, suddenly there are scary and suddenly they have power. make that bigger as opposed to labeling them with these other terms saying losers, cowards. it's calculated. they're acting like it was a slip up from the president because he doesn't have enough of a vocabulary. that's what the view is trying to say as opposed to this was a decision and there is something behind it, that makes sense. >> sandra: i read that as she worried we are hurting the terrorists feelings? >> herman: there isn't anything this president can do

or say that the view is going to agree with. end of story. nothing. >> harris: if you paid attention, let's focus on the president because they're not leaving the country. when he sat on the campaign trail that you'll get tired of winning and winning with so much a part of his mantra, he's blocking out his foreign doctor and if you will at the same time by calling them losers. they're oppositional to everything we stand for which you laid out and he's already told the world that we are winners and we are winning, so it puts it on another level. they missed the point, but i want to focus on him and his messaging and its strong and a sense. people called him of the time on it and who would not want to be a winner? >> herman: the reason so many people believe he is not winning as much as he said he was going to win is because of two studies. media research center said that 89% of the coverage on abc, cbs, cnn was negative.

a new study that came out, 80% negative, 20% positive. 50% of the people who watch any news at all getting all of these negative messages, you are absently right. he needs to stop focusing on the narrative that they are pushing because they're going to do that. he's getting results and the people of america get it. >> meghan: he does have control in this. it's not as of the media can completely co-opt things. he's giving them ammo that i would have preferred that he not. every national security -- not every, but most of that i've seen the past few days agree with this, that you take power away from terrorists by calling them losers, by calling them cowards, by calling them murderers, because when they have been interrogated, they can't justify the murdering of an innocent child. you are a murderer, explained to me how in the name of a la or your religion that that's something you can justify. by taking that messaging away, let's not forget president trump

is a brilliant marketer. you can underestimate how much attention these losers and cowards are paying to their reaction in the media because they are. >> herman: >> harris: we are cot back. >> meghan: more "outnumbered" in just a minute

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