>> i love it! the vice president spoke there earlier today at the commencement. now the hat toss. thanks for being here, brian. >> thanks for having me, fantastic. >> everybody have a blessed memorial day weekend, see you monday at noon eastern. "happening now" now. >> with that a fox news alert, president trump and first lady melania capping off the first day of the g summit in italy with a concert. >> the president spent the day pressing world leaders on a range of of issues. his son-in-law facing any scrutiny over russia. we're covering all the news, "happening now." the president's son-in-law and senior advisor is under fbi investigation. why investigators may be concerned about jared kushner's contact with russians. plus, more manchester victims identified, nearly half of those killed were children and teenagers. meanwhile, raids netting more

potential accomplices in the deadly terror attack. and -- >> i ran. i didn't know what to do. i was scared. >> a rampage caught on camera, a driver deliberately crashing into one vehicle after another. it's all "happening now." ♪ >> the president wrapping wrapping up a whirlwind day, after a whirlwind week, at the g8 summit, agreeing to ramp up sanctions. a lot happening now. >> i'm heather chilleders in for jenna lee. >> i'm leland witt territory. >> -- wittert. >> theresa may speaking at the g7 summit. earlier today, mr. trump huddled on the side lines, we're told, with may who has been frustrated

with the u.s. likes on the manchester terror investigation. the president vowing to get to the bottom of it. >> amy kellogg, now, in sicily, italy. beautiful backdrop as the sun goes down there, about 7:00 at night, as everybody sits down for dinner. >> that's right. lee lapped and heather, the leaders of the top industrialized countries have been in lock step over certain issues, like terrorism of course, and how to do more to viet terrorism. they have just issued a strong statement. but on some other areas, such as trade protectionism and climate change, it's been quite a bit more contentious. certainly when it comes to trump versus the others and their positions. president trump calling germany very bad when it comes to its trade deficit. specifically talking about cars. then later the administration qualified that, saying germany isn't bad. trump's father came from there. they're just bad on trade.

now, the european union council president said that trump's comments were not viewed as aggressive. in the past, trump has suggested he could slap tariffs on germany in retaliation for trade surplus. between the multiple meetings, president trump made a quick comment to cameras about greg gianforte's congressional win in montana. despite gianfortes assaulting a reporter. [ no audio ] >> italian organizers thought treating leaders to good food, wine, and visits to antiquities, they could set a propitious tone for meetings of the mind. the first spouses having a helicopter fly-over mount aetna, had lunch at the bar rock palace of el advance, hosted by the mayor. there's been of course as you imagine, heather and leland, a veritable ring of steel here.

10,000 police officers and military personnel patrolling this place. we haven't had a chance to actually get into the heart of town to try something here called the trump cup. which is special gelato or ice cream for the occasion. red, white and blue topped with a sponge sugar coif, hopefully the leaders get a chance in their meandering to check that all out. leland and heather, back to you. >> that's worth a trip to sicily in and of itself. thank you, see soon, amy. beautiful backdrop. new developments on the fbi investigation into russia. and reports that senior white house advisor jared kushner is under scrutiny by the bureau over meetings with the russian ambassador. his attorneys responding, saying, kwoept, mr. kushner previously volunteered with congress. what he knows about these meetings, he will do the same if contacted in connection with any other inquiry. let's bring in doug shoen, former advisor to president bill

clinton, and a little hint there, you could see there. >> yes. >> these meetings were held in early december. >> right. >> they were -- had to do with the russian ambassador and banker from mass could you. they want to go -- moscow. they want to know the communications. we have confirmed kushner nor his rechtives have been contacted by the authorities. what does that say? >> we're at the early stages of the inquiry. the barge in question is a sanctioned bank, they can't do business here, some of their people can't travel here. so the real question is why was jared kushner meeting with them. then an investigation like the russia investigation, wide-ranging, involving a lot of people, no clear violation of any specific statutes yet they're going to cast a wide net. the fbi, that's what i think this was. this represents.

>> what you said, is that working the case backwards, and do you fear at all this would be an imposition of civil liberties? >> i've watched a lot of these things over the years. i served in both terms of reagan's white house, in addition to running his campaign. the critical thing, once these things start you don't control them, they go a variety of ways. i think in this case, the banker is more of interest. most people realize in our intelligence community that the ambassador is pretty of the key spy master. it's never been disclosed that way, but they think of him as the spy master. you begin with an assumption he'll try to get information. the banker, is the critical thing. why would you meet a banker if you're a businessman, go into the white house, what have you. i think that's where they will go. nothing has been pre causes great concern, i just think they're investigating, it should cause enough concern and i'm sure will create chaos in the white house. >> newt gingrich was speaking on this story, he said it was part

of his job. listen to this. >> first of all i think he was assigned the job of meeting with people by the president-elect. guess what, he met with people. my question, though, when you see these stories, as you point out, they crop up every day in the "washington post," "new york times," they play ping-pong. they say, unknown sources have told us today. i find that frankly sickening. how do you know it's true? furthermore, if it's from mueller's investigation he should be enraged and lock somebody up. i mean, the people who leaked the british story were not in the white house. they were in the intelligence community. and they ought to go to jail. >> of course the former fbi director robert muller in charge of the investigation. what about the leaks, doug? >> they're troubling. i know when ed was in the white house, when i was there, there was a two-word admonition that we got at the beginning, a few times in the middle, then at the

end, don't leak, don't talk, keep your business private. unfortunately, when a large number of people know certain amount of facts, you get leaking. and i think newt is right on one hand, that if we can isolate the leakers they should be prosecuted. that being said, this is a real world investigation. we have got a long way to go. i think before we get into attacks on don't talk to this one, don't talk to that one, we ought to let the investigation go forward, without leaks, quietly. >> difficult for that investigation to move forward with all of these likes happening. >> it will move forward whether there's likes or no likes. this is, muller is a very first rate professional, he will do everything proper. if he doesn't find anything to lead him in a direction he'll drop it. if he finds something that's leading him in a direction he will be like a bulldog on it, he's got that reputation. tremendous prosecutor. but there's no evidence at this point in time, obviously rumors and innuendo which i take issue

with the former speaker, meeting people is one thing. meeting with a banker from russia who has sampgss on him is something else. some one needs to explain. that jared should do that, basically explain why he was doing it, that's the first start. >> then also reportedly, flynn was present at the early december meeting as well, doug. >> he's a target. it is clear that he did not fully disclose his contact with the russians, he lied to the vice president, he didn't report the $45,000 fee from the russians for speaking in contravention of u.s. law. and the turkish deal where he was basically a lobbyist for the turks while he was advising them, both in the runup to the election and in the post election manning phase, he's raised real questions. we have to get to the bottom of what general flynn was up to and what if any role others in the

administration had with him. >> paul manifort looked at as well. >> flynn had known manifort for years, and he showed bad judgment as did flynn. when you are in an organization that is part of the presidential transition, you are careful, you don't violate the rule books. manifort has always had a shady reputation. flynn showed bad judgment, he's probably going to be charged. and the danger is what is he going to do, you always make a deal, try to go up. i mean, clearly, everything he's done so far that's public has been very bad judgment. >> you think he will make a deal. how long do you think this investigation would go on? it could be years? it could be months snrjs it could be years. it won't be months. i think the reality is this is going to drag on, just because of the kind of person that mueller is. if there wasn't anything there it would be shut down quickly. i think they will find smoke to keep looking at the fire. >> let me make one final point based on what ed said, general flynn will try to make a deal,

perhaps. and they will look up. there's only one person above general flynn, and that's president trump. i'm not saying today that the president has any legal culpability. as far as i know he does not. but general flynn is probably the only person, maybe manifort, but more likely flynn, who can provide direct testimonial evidence about what the president into or didn't know, what he did or didn't do. >> i would hope that the president was busy putting his government together. i think the thing i worry about is jared. jared was young, he obviously was trying to do business deals before he went into the administration. >> and he is one of his closest advisors. >> yes. and can i tell you, when there's chaos in the white house one of the senior people attacked, in particular this is the son-in-law, you have nothing but chaos. i'm worried about that. >> reports that when the president returns he's going to overhaul a lot of that. kick people out and bring new people in.

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>> leland: the british prime minister a couple of minutes ago at the g7 summit, terrorism and the attack in manchester an umbrella, if you will, to the leaders of the free world meeting in southern italy. president trump there as well. more what he had to say coming up. this is a as the search intensifies for more suspects in the deadly man cheshlter bombings. investigators making another arrest after more raids overnight. monday's attack took a terrible toll. now, officials say 10 of the 22 people killed were children or teenagers. rick levin thol live from manchester with the latest, they feel the bombmaker is on the run. rick? >> well, lee land, this city is struggling with the cruelty of monday's terror attack. we have seen a steady stream of people coming here to st. ann's square where the memorial grows larger by the minute. a lot of tears shed here over the 22 lives lost. as you mention, all of the

victims have now been identified. nearly half of them children or teens. 6le 6 people are hospitalized with injuries suffered, 23 of them in critical care. paramedic spoke out about their experience. >> all of us could identify with the patients that had suffered these, some of them extreme horrific injuries. you can't help but be moved. >> four days later, the arena itself is still a crime scene. completely encircled by police tape with heavily armed officers guarding every entrance. british authorities continue to carry out raids in a search for more possible suspects and clues, including one in mossside, manchester, eight men 18 to 38 are being held, suspected of being part of a terror network supporting the suicide bomber. the u.k. remains on critical alert for the possibility of more attacks. with armed officers patrolling

trains for the first time, extra security added for major sporting events this weekend, including the f.a. cup final at wembley stadium. >> we have hundreds of officers that are working on this investigation with the policing network, we have seized thousands of exhibits now being assessed. i think it's fair to say that there's been enormous progress for the investigation but still an awful lot of work to do. >> u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson was in london meeting with his british counterpart saying hearts are broken across the u.s. over this fraj di. he also took responsibility for the intelligence likes that led to a brief lid on information sharing between britain and the u.s. but that lid has now been lifted. >> leland: rick leventhal in manchester, thank you. heather? >> heather: treasure secretary steve mnuchin wants congress to increase the debt limit with no springs attached.

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>> leland: president trump northern for unorthodox sfielen with world leaders. he's kraun criticism for tough language about nato and terrorism this week, terrorism seems like it might unite his fellow world leaders at the g7 summit now. >> i was impressed by, you know, the toughness of president trump. when it comes to

counterterrorism. i totally agreed with him when he said that the international community, g7, the united states, europe, should be tough, even brutal, vis-a-vis terrorism and isis. >> leland: joining us ambassador nicholas burns, former u.s. undersecretary for political affairs and professor at harvard school of government. thank you. >> thank you leeshgs land. >> leland: it is striking how at these summits you see all sort of fanfare. amy kellogg talking about helicopter flights over sicily, concerts, big dinners. what are the deliverables out of something like, this do things get done or is it a chance for everybody to get together and have photo ops? >> well, i think it's more than that. for president trump it's a valuable experience, he's met some of these leaders but not all of them a chance to build trust with each other. it's also a chance to focus on

the issues that we think are most important. president trump has been focusing on the terrorism issue and he's trying to convince the european leaders, the japanese, to be more centrally involved in the fight against the islamic state. some of them are, britain for instance and france. some of them have not been. second, this group, the g7, these are the seven largest industrial economies. of course china isn't part of it. another forum where they enter it. they focus on the global economy, how do we increase jobs, how do we ajude date trade disputes. trade is an interesting issue. the trump administration has been anti-free trade, they've done away with these big pacific trade proper pros always. and thirpd the issue of climate change. for the europeans especially and japanese, it's a major public issue where citizens are concerned about it. and of course the u.s. hasn't yet decided in the trump administration whether we're in or out of the global climate change par i. agreement.

i think there is a lot of substa value to americans and the economy. >> you can imagine the whiplash of these leaders, used to, for all the past eight years, dealing with president obama. an gel a her kell and president obama had a close personal relationship. it is very different with president trump. president trump and the german chancellor were meeting together, in which the president started talking about how germany's very bad, his chief economic advisor garrett cohen clarified that we saying president trump said they're very bad on trade but he doesn't have a problem with germany. he said i don't have a problem with germany, i have a problem with german trade. but how does this different u.s. president, undiplomatic for lack of a better term, how does that play in the group dynamic? >> i think that it's been a rocky start for the president. he didn't have a good day yesterday in brussels. because you want to be effective. and i know that a lot of trump

supporters value president trump because he tells it like it is. sometimes that's appropriate. in a group like this, all these people have been elected. they all have their own domestic politics. if you try to humiliate them or shame them publicly, it's probably not going to be very effecty. i thought instead of what he said publicly at nato, lecturing nato on defense spend and by the way the europeans should spend more on defense, it would have been better to do it privately, one-on-one or with a group. he would have gotten better results. it's all about learning the ropes. the president is not some one who's done this before. he'll adjust and hopefully for our country, we will be able to get our voint point of view across. >> leland: we heard from steve hilton, one of david cameron's chief advisors, it was president obama who lectured much of nato and its leaders about spending more on defense. but to your point, did so privately. was able to get that 2% deal back in 2014.

what could be the deliverables for president trump when he leaves? we know he likes to leaf with a win -- leave with a win. got a bibig one in saudi arabia. is there any deliverables he can gom out of g7 with? >> president trump wants to be able to say and should be able to say that we have the full support of all of these countries in the fight against the islamic state. secondly, that we want to have domestic policies in each of -- policies that contribute to economic growth and job creation. i think where the president has a real uphill battle is climate change. his administration may walk out, they may decide to walk out of the of the climate change pact, i think that would be a great mistake for the country and for our credibility. i think the president needs to be much more forward-leaning on nato. every american president has affirmed our commitment to the european countries and their security from harry true man

through ronald reagan and barack obama. the president did not do. that he hurt himself and hurt his credibility. he's also quite weak on russia. probably the weakest president we have had on russia since the second world war. >> leland: to your point we've seen sean spicer, spokesperson, and gary cohen, toughen back up both on the nato issue of collective defense article 5, then also on possibly ratcheting up sanctions on russia. one thing coming from the president, another thing from his staff. >> they need to hear it from the president. >> leland: okay, we'll see if he says anything different. he has a speech to american troops in italy tomorrow, 11:30 eastern. mr. ambassador, appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> leland: heather? >> heather: new fox news polls, president trump's approval rating, taking a hit. who does the president blame, howie kurts is here, we'll look at what's behind the poll numbers and what you have to say about them by the way. treasury secretary steve mnuchin

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one person was injured. no fatalities. that's at good news. the scene from above, you can see from our affiliate, kgo. and if we get any additional information we will bring it to you. ♪ >> leland: president is away but business continues. treasury secretary steve mnuchin asking congress to raise the debt limit before the summer break. will conservatives go along or could there be a battle over the debt ceiling, that then derails republican tie-ins to repeal and replace obamacare? peter doocy live from capitol hill as they're debating this issue. hi, peter. >> hi, leland. as it turns out, the treasury department is not getting tax money as fast as they thought they were going to get. to date. that's why the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin came to capitol hill to say basically, that they need more money right

away. as soon as possible. and under pressure from democratic lawmakers this week, treasury secretary steve mnuchin said he wants it raised even if there are not accompanying cuts. >> i worry that people have played politics with this in the past. are you on record as saying this needs to be a clean bill, focused just on raising the debt ceiling? >> my preference has been that it gets passed as quickly as it can. however, the house and the senate want to pass it. my objective is to get this done quickly. >> conservative house freedom caucus out with a statement that says this, quote, we oppose any clean raising of the debt ceiling. we call for the debt ceiling to be addressed prior to the august recess and demand that any increase of the debt ceiling be paired with policy that address with a's unsustainable spending by cutting where necessary, capping where able, and working to balance in the near future. still, though, the speaker of the house, paul ryan said before

he left town, he is confident it's going to happen. >> we're going to be talking with our members and administration on how we resolve the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling will get resolved. the timing is news worthy thing. receipts aren't what people thought they were. that's why secretary mnuchin is moving the timetable up. we're looking at that new timetable. >> six years ago the 2011 fight over the debt ceiling was all consuming, and if there is a repeat of that, it could seriously imperil any progress or hope of progress for republicans regarding tax reform or healthcare. and this isn't just something that they may address or that they need to decide the address. the debt ceiling needs to be addressed. they don't have a choice. >> leland: as much as congress wishes they did. peter doocy on capitol hill, thank you. heather? >> heather: now to this, much of the mainstream media blamed for disseminating fake news. those claims coming from president trump as well as his supporters.

the accusations are now being directed at fox news, at least when it comes to our news poll. the latest numbers showing that president trump's approval rating is at 40% and that's down from 45% last month. and those numbers created a firestorm on social media to say the least. joining me now with more on this, fox news media analyst and media buzz host, howard kurts, thank you for joining us. >> hi, heather. >> heather: people not happy about the poll. >> i get body slammed on twitter every five seconds, the digital equivalent of what happened in montana, that's fine, can be a rough neighborhood. when i put up the numbers i didn't offer analysis, i said fox poll, 40%, down five points. there was an avalanche of angry tweets saying, i'm fake, fox is fake, the media a fake, all polls are fake, people not wanting to hear it. not wanting to have any discussion about it. and i'm the first to say, you know, polls can be flawed, they're a blurry snapshot, sometimes they're wrong. but they aren't made up. >> heather: let's look at the

specific tweets. i know you want to see them again. [laughing] this one said your polls are a bunch of crap, never polled us. that's one. then you have another, this from kathleen campbell, says polls were wrong before the election as you just said, why think they're right now. that's a good question. and then chris says, does anyone know a single person who has taken any of these polls. i frequently hear that. that's a good question. >> yeah, well, there was that and the letters b and s came up a lot. sure, you get that, polls are sign tefk, lots of people haven't been polled, doesn't mean, fok uses two professional polling organizations, more than 1,000 people surveyed. and, yeah, look, we all know that the poll somewhat overstated hillary clinton's lead at the end of the election, although he won the popular vote and trump within it in the electoral college. here's a good discussion to have, were the polls down because there's been a constant battering by the media related

to -- ever since jim comey was fired and appointment of special counsel, all of the investigative stuff. maybe that depressed the numbers. i think these are good conversations to have. when you shut out any discussion by saying it's all dpak, although if he went up five points he'd like it better, are you shutting down any rational discourse. that troubles me as to where we are in the media world. >> heather: people wonder i'll ask you this question, when it comes to the people who are polled, you said this particular case, 1,000 people polled. where are those people located? because people seem to think they're located in new york, washington, los angeles. so mainstream america isn't counted. >> yeah, i mean that's ridiculous. these professional polling organizations try to get a cross section of people from around the country, and to equally weight it for democrats, republicans, i understand interests. if you did a poll in new york and california trump would probably be lower. what i'm kind of grappling for is, you know, let's have these

arguments, i think healthy debates, i love twitter and facebook. but let's try to have some sort of common set of facts. and then have the arguments. if the attitude is, i get sometimes when i bring up a "new york times" or "washington post" article which i may criticize and people say why do you bring it up, i don't want to hear it. that's part of the world we live n it's important to hear it. i say this to both sides, don't just stay in your own opinionated eye slows, don't say everything is fake, that's not the case. >> heather: open up the discussion. perhaps there need to be polls that trend that way as well. it's also coming down to the way the polls are worded. when you're specifically talking about the russian investigation, something like that. >> sometimes the wording of polls can influence the outcome. this was true with questions about the russian investigation. several of the polls are sort of in the same league as fox, having trump's approval between 37 and 40, there is a rasmussen

poll that puts the president at 48%. there's room forking ament about polling techniques. just the idea that this is all fake and made up, and i understand the people feel passionately about their president, our president, feel he's not treated fairly. you know, these are our best attempts, my best attempt to report and best attempt to come up with a fair and accurate poll. >> heather: all right that, tells you that the base is still consistent. thank you so much, howie, appreciate it. >> great to see you. hl breaking news out of the twin cities, big manhunt under way, near minneapolis. five inmates at the leno lakes minnesota state prison are at large after escaping the prison and stealing a van. according to the minnesota department of corrections the offender at the leno like facility took control of the 2011 white ford van. multiple offenders were inside. and they drove off. it's a minimum to medium security prison, don't know what we are looking at, perhaps the

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>> heather: bizarre case out of sacramento. take a look at this. surveillance footage showing a driver slamming hersively into a car at a gas station. well then the driver keeps circling around ramming other vehicles. all. customers running away in terror. all of this unfolding in the middle of the night. get this, five days ago. the victims say that they know who the driver is. so they claim the police aren't pursuing the case. they haven't even picked up the footage, i parentally. thankfully no one was injured. >> leland: it's a jungle out there. the congressional budget office score on the republican healthcare bill is sparking a firestorm on capitol hill this week. whamplts do you make of this report? >> great. >> unless you're a healthy millionaire, trumpcare is a nightmare. >> they deserve all the respect in the world but they're not profits.

i don't put the same reliance on everything they say is the way it's going to be. >> it is a nightmare. and it has no pulse because it has no heart. it is heartless and it is dead, should be dead on arrival. >> leland: we all remember the time they all got along on capitol hill. syndicated columnist phil kurpin joining us. phil, we just heard from peter doocy who talked about now there's a new fight on the debt ceiling coming up in october. on both sides of the aisle, saying we may have to put healthcare off, we may have to put tax reform off. now only deal with the debt ceiling. it makes you wonder, between the animosity and these coming other issues, whether they're even going to get healthcare done. >> i don't think the debt ceiling has that big an impact on healthcare. i see one of two ways the debt ceiling gets resolved.

it becomes part of the reconciliation package, second one that will be focused on tax reform and do it a partisan basis, compared with spending reforms. or bipartisan basis, clean, raise the debt celling with a lot of votes from both parties. i don't see it changing the tract that healthcare is on, which is they got the bill out of the the house, if they can come to consensus in the senate, get 50 republican vote, it will pass. until they can do that it won't. i don't think debt ceiling has a huge impact on the healthcare time line. >> leland: we'll focus on the healthcare time line. you have, in that set of sound bites, you had republicans and democrats talking about the very same numbers from the congressional budget office, and clearly coming to some very different conclusions about them. speaker ryan asked about that issue, take a listen. >> i've seen both parties beat the living tar out over the years, i've been doing budgeting for a long time. i think what it is, the $23

million claim -- 23 million claim, there's a lot more to it than what that sounds like. what i'm encouraged by, cbo said we hit our budget target and then some. >> leland: "i've seen both parties beat the tar out of the cbo over the years." if the congressman can't agree on the facts and the numbers about legislation, how are taxpayers expected to make an informed choice about whether this is good for us or not? >> well, i think there are two separate things. the reason republicans and gem krats are speaking past each other a little bit, republicans are celebrating the fiscal score and the fiscal score is $1.1 trillion spending cut, $90 billion tax cut, significant reduction. from a procedural standpoint what they needed, the pass-fail question for this thing, whether it would reduce the deficit $2 billion. it did much more deficit reduction than that, they don't to have revote in the house, moves on to the senate, mub answer are celebrating.

democrats are bemoaning the coverage numbers. the coverage numbers have always boon wildly long wrok. as recently as two years ago they said there wrb 24 million people in the obamacare exchange, now the number business 10 million. as of this week, the cbo report, in the base line assumption they were comparing to, they have 15 million in obamacare for this year when we know it's 10. their whole meth dog is wildly wrong. republicans are saying ignore those numbers. >> leland: quoted all sorts of teams they were wrong on the coverage numbers. it ybo always right on the fiscal -- cbo always right on the fiscal numbers no, obamacare has been much, much expensive than they thought it would be. we have to take these numbers with a little bit of a grain of salt, also. what's important is if they came in and said this doesn't reduce the deficit the house would have had to vote all over again. i think that's why republicans

are happy. >> leland: reminds me of the line that 80% of statistics are lies. appreciate you being here, phil, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> heather: this weekend, is the unofficial start to summer and low prices at the pump are prompting millions to hit the road. leland may be among the them on this long holiday weekend a live report from the busy roads up next. er from lower back pain go to great lengths to find relief. finally there's drug-free aleve direct therapy®. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy. with all the things you'll never learn from a book. expedia. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. i did active duty 11 years.my in july of '98. and two in the reserves. our 18 year old was in an accident.

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on america's news headquarters. see you in a few minutes. >> heather: we will tune n the start of the memorial day weekend narcotics means a lot of people getting ready to get away. aaa predicts more than 39 million americans will in fact travel this holiday weekend mostly by car. that's about a million more than last year. people hitting the road even though the average price for a gallon of gas business a nickel higher than this time last year. we're live in chicago. you're in the passenger seat, right? >> probably best to be in engaged in live television, exactly. i think it's 34 million americans will hit the road, the actual roads this holiday. and if you look out the front, you see what most of america is going to see. actually pretty clear on route 294 in chicago. gas prices a little bit more than it was last year, but

historically very, very low. if you look at this compared to memorial day, 2014, that was $3.66 a gallon. now we're down by about a third. most of america travels on memorial day via car, about 67% according to the guys at hot wire. where do we go? largely to places where it is warm. chicago it's a pretty warm day today. i don't know if we're still in chicago, i think we're in the suburbs. most people go to florida, california, places like that. some people to new york to visit friends or relatives. lastly, where do you want to go if you want the cheapest cab? to quote the great suzie goboggas, drive south. the cheapest gas, in south carolina, where it's almost down to $2 a gallon. alabama and mississippi as well. also very low gas prices down there. generally, low gas prices everywhere you look in america.

happy memorial day. >> heather: good news and reminder that memorial day is a time to reminder all of the folks who paid the ultimate sacrifice from armed services. thank you, jeff. >> sure enough. >> leland: he looks comfy. fox news alert, these pictures coming in, caracas venezuela, the economy collapsed there, collapsing in large part due to low oil prices. anti-government pro tests under way, looks like the protesters shut down a big highway. food shortage as there in car rack as -- caracas, major issues as the communist government begins to collapse. you see the folks on the street not happy with their government. new developments out of caracas as they happen. we will be right back. what's that? p3 planters nuts, jerky and seeds. i like a variety in my protein. totally, that's why i have this uh trail mix.

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