>> heather: we will see you back here in an hour. >> jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: president trump could soon pull the united states out of the paris climate change agreement. leveling a massive blow to former president obama's legacy. the pact was signed by the u.s. and nearly 200 other countries last spring. a senior admin the president has not made a final decision on the pact, but two sources say the president will soon announce that the president will withdraw from the landmark accord. we'll update you as the white house updates us minutes from now. this fox news alert. a big development of the russian investigation. president trump tore into democrats over what he calls a witch hunt of a one-time campaign aide, cutter page. the president acting in response to this. democrats have now indefinitely postponed hearing testimony from

carter page as part of their investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. the question now, why postpone it? this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, meghan mccain, marie hart, and today's #oneluckyguy, bill bennett is here. now he cheers the conservative leaders and hosts a podcast. welcome, you're outnumbered. >> bill: pleasure to be here. >> harris: can't wait to get your thoughts. carter page was a former foreign policy advisor to trump during the campaign. he has said he is an open book and that he wants to tell the story after the feds started monitoring his medications last summer.

eyebrows are raised when fox news learned yesterday, democrats have requested that his testimony before congress be postponed indefinitely. president trump unleashed his response on social media. he tweeted this, so now it is reported that the democrats, who have excoriated part of page about russia, don't want him to testify. he pulls away their case against him and now wants to clear his name by showing the false or misleading testimony by james comey, john brennan. witch hunt! your thoughts? >> bill: one thing that's interesting about donald trump, we know what the president thinks. i kind of like it. i would prefer some of them didn't make it out, but for the most part, i think it's quite good for the american people to hear directly from their president. you had an interesting lead and that you were reading. you said as part of the investigation, carter page will not testify. when does a person not testify

as part of the investigation? if he's got some sunlight to bring to this, let's see it, let's have it. why would you not want to hear from this witness about which, about whom "the washington post" in "the new york times" have been writing incessantly how important he is much market he's important, let's hear from him. >> harris: it's a new generation of interest from the democrats, which we've talked about. the whole idea of it, so why not bring that disinfectant and brighten the room? >> meghan: i think mr. bennett brings up a very important point, he has something that democrats want to hear. he said i'm an open book. compared to the lives a defined me. it doesn't sound like egg guilty man to me from that quote. >> marie: my democratic

friends said they do want him to testify, they are trying to figure out what that looks like. is it open, closed, is it after other people testify, there been reports that mueller may want to talk to witnesses first. when i'm hearing from my friends on the hill is that they want to hear from him, they want to hear from a lot of people and hopefully we will. >> harris: may be a little disingenuous among some of them. i don't know who your sources are, but the word indefinitely speaks out. if you want to postpone based on more evidence, that's one thing, but you're also dealing with something, not a drip has come out as evidence. if you think you can get some from someone, why would you postponed indefinitely? >> sandra: democrats have controlled the narrative when it comes to russia. this white house has fought back hard, but still, now that the president's home, from what was viewed as a very successful first foreign trip, russia is back in the headlines. what can they do to get that

out of their so they can get back to policymaking coming back to the president's agenda? >> bill: i learned in washington you are an or defens defense. the president needs to go on offense on this. i don't see how you control the narrative, particularly the narrative on russia by saying we won't hear from this witness. i've heard the argument about mueller, and obviously, his wishes have to be respected here, but i imagine if mueller had said no, we want to get to him first or wait, we would have heard that. one thing that is a possibility is that we will hear from him, perhaps not in a hearing in the house, but if you have something to say, then by all means, let's hear from him. the president continues to challenge, once they are? i don't know how long we can keep scraping.

>> harris: he can talk anytime he wants. we've seen others in the past. look at ben rhodes. they said no he's not going to testify, but he gave all sorts of media. he could -- the president could talk. >> bill: he could be on "outnumbered" ." he has the opportunity to speak in the right to speak. it would be interesting to hear what he has to say. wouldn't people be more interested to hear what he has to say? >> harris: this idea of let's get to that they are there which is where you have been for a while now. if there is a something, let's get to it. >> meghan: this may blow your mind, but i talk to people who don't work in the media quite often. it's good for me to talk to

people. people in my life don't care about russia. they care about repealing a place and they care about tax reform and they would like the media to move off of this. unless there's concrete evidence. i don't like sitting in this phantom zone. there is a smoke here, , and understand. let carter page testify, for the love of god, can we move on if they can't find anything? >> harris: the house until committee chairman speaking on this, let's watch. >> the democrats don't want an investigation in russia. they want an independent commission because they want to continue the narrative that vladimir putin and donald trump are best friends. >> harris: best friends with putin. whatever the situation, you still need evidence if you're

going to investigate someone. >> bill: you sure do. it is in a little odd that the president is strengthening nato when he is best friends with russia? let's remember why nato was created, to defend against russia. i agree with the republican sid side. democrat citizens and republican citizens who like to get off of the subject and get to the real issue. >> harris: hearkening back to president reagan's white house, what lesson would you draw from there and maybe give to president trump in terms of gaining the narrative, going on the offense as you say in moving forward? >> bill: i spoke to president reagan. i said they don't want you to just apologize and explain.

he said, i will tell the truth. i will say what we did wasn't right and will get back to business. one thing i learned as a secretary of education is if you make a mistake, say so. that gives your opposition very little. i'm not sure what the mistake was here with russia, because i still don't think there's any there they are. >> harris: i've heard you say and it was that nebulous area of whether or not they were friends in the very beginning. >> meghan: i never liked the language surrounding putin, but i'm very hard line on russia. i think the travel ban has come back to bite the administration. if you move forward and tweet about repealing a player's and tax reform, tweet about jobs,

talk about things, i believeabo. i think that would help the narrative. >> sandra: to get back to your points, people are over with russia, they are done with this considering there is absolutely no evidence and they want to focus on tax reform, they want to focus on the president's agenda, but does it slow things down? what about tax reform by the end of the year? and that even happen? >> bill: sure, it slows things down. the democrats are doing it and their friends in the press. that is the name of the game that the president -- he has to get organized on a couple of issues and push them through. >> sandra: where is obstruction historically? >> bill: the worst think i ever saw was quail.

this is unprecedented in its viciousness. >> harris: obstruction and leaking. i've heard you say tax reform if we don't see that by the end of the year. >> sandra: many republicans are still promising it. >> bill: they have to and they have to deliver. >> harris: her french is beautiful. president trump is expected to pull the united states out of the paris climate accord. the sing on the president is sending to the world and to his voters. plus, no one is laughing. the massive backlash over a liberal comedian's photograph of a mock severed head that looks like president trump. we ask, is there any line the president's critics won't cross? stay close you don't let anything

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claimant accord. president trump may blow the obama legacy mr. trump has already started consulting senior officials on the exit process. john roberts joins us live with more as we await what happens next. >> good afternoon. with the caveat sing the president could change his mind and come up with a different decision. i was told by a very, very senior administration official this morning as we encountered each other in the hallway that the president is still weighing a lot of options. he has not yet made a final decision, but he is expected to have not today, sometime before the end of the week. the president weeded out as much this morning that he would be making the decision in the coming days. where are we right now? a couple sources tell fox news of the president is expected to withdraw the united states from the paris claimant accord, there

might be a different decision coming forward where you split the paris claimant accord, you withdraw from the green climate fund, which the united states has committed to, but you stay within the framework of the agreement. not sure how doing that would address the central question that the president is worried about and that's by adhering to the strict protocols of the 2015 paris claimant accord, the president believes the u.s. will begin to suffer and start to fall behind countries like china and india. that's something at the president just won't stand for. he made a commitment during the election campaign to bring back manufacturing in the united states to bring back more jobs. if he sees something being a threat to that campaign promise, he will find a way to get out of

it. not sure if that's going to fly with the president. i think it's probably safe to say that he has come to a tentative decision, but it has not yet fully comfortable with it and once a little more time deliberating on what could happen before he goes and pulls the trigger. last week, he spent a lot of time with our allies in europe and in japan, climate change was a big topic of discussion at the g7. the president was said to have evolved on his thinking, that according to gary cohn, but again, coming out of this basic idea that he does not want to sacrifice american competitiveness, particularly when it comes to job creation and that will be foremost in his mind when he makes a decision on what to do about whether or not to pull the u.s. out of the accord. >> sandra: thank you for not reporting. live from the white house. bill bennett, let's go with the reporting have on this and that the president may be leaning towards pulling out of the paris claimant accord. what with the impact of that be

a question mark >> bill: he'll get a lot of criticism he was good and criticism for this when he was in europe. he was being protest on these grounds by the europeans. the right decision is to pull out and not to try -- he'll be criticized either way. he should be clean and make it clear that this is a work of fiction, that these goals are fictional. the chinese promised to deliver by the year 2030 is the same as if they did nothing. what he should point to instead is what the united states has done, not by signing an accord. hydraulic fracking has reduced

reduced -- >> sandra: you would say stick on that message? >> bill: as i said earlier, stay on offense. look at what we've done. we are better than almost any other country in terms of that particular record. >> sandra: is stirred things up last week when he postponed this decision. now that we await this decision and nor the president may be leaning. >> meghan: first and foremost, i'm curious about the internal politics with this because it's been reported that jared and ivanka want him to stay in the paris agreement. stephen bannon wants him to pull out of this. this is a campaign promise that he ran on. he thinks climate change is a hoax, snow and should be surprised that he more than likely will end up pulling out of this. the united states is the largest carbon dioxide emitter behind china. china's involvement in this, 2030 -- i'll be old in 2030. the idea that anything will be done by 2030 -- i always thought

it was a nice allusion of actually getting things done when it comes to fighting climate change. i'm not a doomsday person when it comes to this. i'm somewhere in the middle. i wish it was a little clearer. >> sandra: even though he called it a hoax, he put in place, rex tillerson who acknowledged it as a climate change. >> marie: he argued to stay in. the head of exxon wrote president trump a personal letter asking to stay in the agreement. the oil companies support this. the u.s.-made -- you anchor the rest of the world, 200 countries. >> sandra: america first. >> marie: what does that mean? that the statement, that's not a policy. the rest of the world is looking to us and 200 countries, the other countries who didn't sign on it were and nicaragua.

>> harris: the rest of the world doesn't have our economy. it may work out for the private sector to step out and if it benefits them, they'll figure this out. it's called a free market. >> bill: back to the point about carbon emissions, they are down 2%. >> marie: because of our policies that we put in place in the obama administration. >> sandra: no. >> bill: this country got cleaner in the last 20 years, way before obama. in terms of your point of second behind china, every country did what we have done over the last 12 years, the room will be better. >> meghan: that was ultimately what the deal is. >> sandra: a massive explosion

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>> meghan: 11 american citizens were hurt in a bombing in kabul. at least 90 people are dead, hundreds more injured including those 11 u.s. citizens. most of the casualties were civilians. so far, no group has claimed responsibility, but it was one of the worst attacks on the afghan capital since the drawdown at the end of 2014.

and it comes as president trump is weighing whether to send more troops to the region to reinforce the afghan army. i'll start with you mr. bennett. sending more troops and, it's a very complicated issue, but when you hear that the city of kabul, which is supposed to be the most safe in afghanistan has such a huge explosion, what do you think? >> bill: first of all, i talked to jim mattis. we don't have enough people in afghanistan. it has to be explained to the american people. americans are tired of this. they don't get tired of our military operating. i have noticed the presence of afghan police, afghan military and all these instances.

i think this is why you're seeing more incidents. i hope he makes a decision. we're really starting to squeeze these guys all over the globe. not just to control, but to annihilate them and i hope he keeps up. >> sandra: it's a great point to make. >> harris: how important do you think it is that we have a president that is so closely listen to, but works with generals? we see generals not even be considered for cabinet positions. very different from what we saw with president obama. i think mattis and kelly are terrific.

kelly has been tremendous. you have civilian control of the military, that's something that is underscored and it means the final decision is made by civilians. in terms of assessing the situation, you want mattis or kelly. >> meghan: marie, what's your reaction? >> marie: these are horrific attacks, and you have isis who can still do this, it's very problematic. i would say that if we decide to send more troops, we need a very clear articulation of what the mission is. it's now the longest war and our nations history. if we keep sending american men and women out there, we owe it to them, to their families, and to all of us to say is the goal to defeat the taliban? that won't happen.

we need to see that. talk to mattis, talk to military commanders because if we send more troops without that, that's a problem. >> harris: now you're putting it on republicans, for the last eight years, was the plan for democrats? you're looking for this administration to say what's the endgame? then it's more fair to ask where has it been? >> marie: the bush and obama administrations spent a lot of time -- setting that aside, the obama administration plan in afghanistan was to refocus our resources there when so many had been taken to a rock to put more as resources into after al qaeda which we did with some success into start start to bring troops home. as bill said, that's been a problem.

our strategy was focused on al qaeda and capacity building in kabul. that's a challenging thing to d do. >> bill: expand with the objectives are, ask me how long it will take. don't have this world war i situation 20 feet one day. explain it in plain terms and say, some of these situations are very difficult and complex and we can't lay it out and linear ways. the president can do that. i think we do have them on the run in a lot of places. now it's time to keep up the increase. >> harris: that was what was said behind manchester in england. we have these guys running now, so they're going to hit and softer areas. we'll move on with some new video. i don't know if you've seen thi this. it was fired over the pacific

ocean yesterday. the missile defense test came from north korea, but experts say the system has a lot to go. charles krauthammer calling the test a significant move. watch. >> it's a big deal and it's just in time. we are going to be as acceptable to a rogue state. hitting the homeland with a nuclear weapon and shooting them down. until a few years ago, we had no way to do it. until this missile is launched at us, there is no way to stop it. it's going to hit and it's going to kill. >> harris: you and i spoke before the show today. you said you want to drop a history lesson. >> bill: we are talking about criticism of the president. there are a few things which ronald reagan was criticized for

more than "star wars" ." he believed in it and he worked to develop it. the interesting history here is reagan went to iceland when he met with gorbachev. the meeting which he thought ended badly. when he got on the plane, charles wick said today he won the cold war. one of the reasons is that gorbachev heard about "star wars," these plants of the president had and thought there were a much further advanced than they actually were. they had five guys in the laboratory. gorbachev's intelligence told him we were way further along with this. that brought gorbachev to table. the thing that happened is good, as you probably heard. it only happens now about 50% of the time.

>> sandra: the test didn't confirm that this could be done is accurate. that being said, as president trump successful? >> bill: yes. it's been very clear and firm. i'm wondering where this is going to end up. >> harris: what's the message as you understand it north korea? >> bill: don't mess with us and don't keep doing what you're doing because it's going to end badly for you. i predicted for about six months that we would see some thunder and lightning. it could be terrible, but i don't think it has to lead to that. we'll see. at some point, there has to be some sane people in north korea who will take kim jong-un aside or put him aside.

>> marie: missile defense has to be part of a larger strategy for north korea. the technology is good, it's getting better, but is not perfect. we need a strategy to counter the ballistic missiles. we display a lot of missile-defense, as not the end-all be-all perfect solution. >> sandra: proving that we can do that is a step in the right direction. >> marie: it sends a message that we are getting better at this, but it's not the solution and of itself. >> bill: it's a message north korea. >> harris: do we have the budget to continue this? >> bill: federalist paper number three. it has to be, that's what you

pay for. not to fix the leaky faucet. >> harris: glad you're here. having fun? >> bill: yeah. is there a place to apply for a 10-year? >> harris: only for bring cake and ice cream. comedian kathy griffin begging for forgiveness after facing backlash from both sides of the political aisle for posing in photographs showing her holding up a mock severed head resembling president trump. as her apology enough or should she and the photographer face harsher consequences? if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me,

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>> meghan: kathy griffin begging for forgiveness after facing fierce backlash from republicans and democrats alike amount for posing in pictures showing her holding up a mock severed head resembling president trump. here's part of her apology.

>> i sincerely apologize. i'm a comic, i crossed the line. i move the line, then i crossed it. i went way too far. it wasn't funny, i get it. >> meghan: that came after outrage started pouring in. the left consider this acceptable. imagine if conservatives did this to obama or float us. meantime, cnn says it is evaluating the new year's eve cohost with anderson cooper. the most disturbing part of this to me is that they are in on television. but his father had been killed.

that's how to be traumatized as a child for life. we have a tweet from melania that says kathy griffin should be ashamed of herself, my children, especially my 11-year-old son, baron or having a hard time with us. that was from the president. >> harris: i'll start with this. why is kathy griffin rolling isis style? who won the planet thinks it's okay to showcase that? the family of daniel perlman, james foley, americans who have been. by those savages. what is she trying to compare our president, or by house, our country to buy holding up a bloodied head? >> meghan: i like comedy, i've worked with comedians before and this is an comedy. the excuse that i'm just a comedian, so i crossed the line, i think it's 100% intentional. she wants to be talked about on fox news. she wants to get attention. she hasn't had a hit and a

really long time. >> sandra: i feel sorry for the servicemen and women who have come out and said i defend free speech against people like you. melania spoke out on twitter. >> bill: one remedy. i was director of national drug control policy. i spent a fair amount of time with secret service. we are making some real progress. i think she should have a tough hour and a half of the secret service. >> sandra: she is on the radar of secret service. >> bill: the interrogation of herbal underscore that you don't mess around with this. this proves the earlier point i

was making, never having seen it like this. not just the degree of passion, but the vindictiveness, the meanness, the ugliness, as you said, isis style. why would anyone mimic that? >> marie: cnn should not have her on christmas eve. we can all agree that. this is disgusting, but i also want to say, this doesn't represent the left. as the person on the couch -- >> harris: he's 11. >> marie: i am as horrified about it as any of us are. it doesn't represent the left that i know and i do think we are in a really negative place right now. i also think that president obama, not in the same way, but also got racial hatred. i doesn't make any of it okay. >> sandra: why are you including that in this discussion? >> marie: it's inappropriate.

>> marie: bell said this is the worst time we've ever seen it. i had things mailed to my home -- >> meghan: it's hard all the way around. nobody did this to obama. this is the next level. >> marie: for the last eight years, they hatred, the things we got mailed to the white hous white house -- >> harris: this is what our enemy does to people when they capture them. let's not compare the racial or anything like that. this stands alone. al franken wants to do an appearance with us. >> marie: this does not represent the left.

>> meghan: fox had hosted this to obama, they would probably be in jail and they wouldn't be hosting new year's rock and eve. they haven't fired her yet. >> bill: that's the point. they are haters. they come out of the woodwork on all sides. this is a celebrity and there is a debate going on at cnn. there shouldn't be a debate. >> harris: no wonder we don't know the questions. >> meghan: the president of harvard is encouraging the class of 2017 to embrace free speech or risk being caught up in a bubble. she also appeared to take a swipe at conservative views saying hateful ideas cannot be ignored. did she undermine her own argument and has censorship on campus gone too far? #oneluckyguy coming up next. but when family members forget,

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>> harris: we are making more on "outnumbered" in just a moment. let's go to jon scott with what's coming up in a second hour of "happening now." >> jon: in the next hour, white house shakeup as president trump brings us some changes to the west wing. it will be seeing more them next week and what does this mean to

the president's agenda? plus breaking news on what's being called an attempted hijacking and another scare in the air as a laptop battery catches fire on a jetblue plane forcing an emergency landing. also, eric shawn lands an interview with nikki haley, the ambassador to the u.n. will have that ahead "happening now" ." >> harris: thanks. >> sandra: the presence of harvard using her commencement adjusts to encourage the class of 2017 to embrace free speech. she warned graduates that if they censor voices they don't agree with, there are not only creating -- watch as she describes those opposing opinions. >> we need to hear those hateful ideas so our society is fully equipped to oppose and defeat them. we can see here at harvard how are inattentiveness to the power

and appeal left much of our community astonished. blindsided by the outcome of last fall's election. the >> harris: was a good start. i don't know what she accomplished. >> bill: my harvard degree. i was 38, i gave 25 commencement's, then i made a mistake. i during the reagan administration. now i've given two. when will these hateful ideas on the left be censored? and what university is going to do that? none to my knowledge have done that. i keep thinking, as a creature of the university -- i'm the

only philosophy in america who voted for donald trump. if there's another one out there, please let me know. i keep saying it has to end. it has to stop. but it doesn't, it keeps going. i'll tell you what's going on in the real world. people are figuring out that a lot of these degrees don't mean anything. people come with a lot of money not knowing anything, basically having advanced attitudes. >> meghan: we talk about this all the time and it makes me deeply depressed. on most college campuses, it's considered hate speech. i'm a millennial, i deeply worry about my generation when they reach the real world and realize there is no such thing as a safe

space. the real world is going to hit you hard and you'll have to talk with them and not start scrubbing plenty murder. >> marie: i agree. when i went to college, i wanted to be challenged. i wanted to meet people who thought differently than i did because i thought it made me smarter and look at the world differently. i gave my first commencement address a few weeks ago and that's what i said to them. i said use or opinions to start conversations, not to end them. that may sound cliche, but we need to do that more. >> bill: i tip my hat to ohio state. an administrator came in.

they said there is an adult the room. that's the way to handle it. the >> harris: i look at how the job is changing. the digital company having huge open spaces where there is no safe space. conflict resolution and getting along with people, you'll need those skills. why not practice them before anybody is paying you? >> sandra: petroleum engineering. more "outnumbered" in just a moment mmmm.

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>> secretary bennett, thank you for being here. it's very nice to have you. that's going to do it for us. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. for now, "happening now" ." >> heather: we begin with a fox news alert and breaking news as we get reports of a malaysia airline flight bound for koala lump or forced to turn around after a passenger tried to enter the cockpit. >> jon: officials say the flight was only in the air for about 20 minutes before turning around to melbourne. president trump expected to withdraw from a major deal aimed at combating climate change. what it could mean for america's economy and leverage on global environmental issues going forward. plus, the white house communications director resigns following weeks of unrest within the department. >> hopefully the best messenger is the president himself. he's always proving that. >> jon: as the