>> heather: we'll see you back here in an hour. >> leland: so much fun, we'll do it again. the sender mike lee and the ladies of "outnumbered" ." >> harris: president trump facing fallout, but he said it all comes down to saving american jobs. this is "outnumbered" on a fine friday. i'm harris faulkner, here today, meghan mccain, kennedy, also from fbn, melissa francis, and today's #oneluckyguy, we are glad to welcome senator mike lee from the great state of utah. the forgotten founders.

this is all about those who are pushing against the idea. >> harris: let's start with the news. he said it all comes down to jobs. president trump is announcing america's exit from the paris climate deal this week and he says the agreement hammered out by former president obama came out at too high a price. >> i cannot in good conscience support a deal that punishes the united states. which is what it does. the world's leader in environmental protection, while imposing no meaningful

obligations on on the world's n polluters. >> harris: barack obama hit back on a statement, even while the president was still making his remarks as you saw in the rose garden. mr. obama condemned the president for rejecting the future. he said the nations that were made in the paris agreement that will be the nations that reap the benefits. i believe the united states of america should be at the front of the pack. also blasting president trump, john kerry who helped put the deal together. he didn't hold back. >> as an extraordinary abdication of leadership. it's a shameful moment for the united states to unilaterally walk away from an agreement which did not have one other country requiring us to do something. he's made us and an environmental pariah in the world.

it's one of the most self-destructive moves i've seen by any president in my lifetime. the >> harris: to always have you here, particularly on a day when we are talking about this. you will wear among a small group that spoke out about this being a smart thing for the president to do. >> mike: this was a bad deal in the first place. it was a deal that president obama knew would never be ratified. he negotiated it with no intention of ever seeking ratification because he couldn't get it in the first place. it is not surprising at all that the president who ran specifically on doing this deal and have the power to do that because is not a treaty and it's never been ratified in fact undid the deal. >> harris: it you were among the 22 lawmakers who signed the specific letter. >> mike: it was important because this was a bad agreement. we need to put pittsburgh before paris. we need to put americans first rather than putting some abstract international norm ahead of the american people.

we've committed tens of billions of american dollars. we have put off the compliance date for china for example for more than a decade. meanwhile, we're subjecting ourselves to a series of international norms that could end up adversely affecting the american economy. >> harris: some of the criticism has been that those norms are arbitrary. the whole time i was talking, i don't know if you caught it. melissa was in throwing shade, she was just shaking her head. >> melissa: is an astonishing thing to me. because what the president says in terms of it's a bad deal. that is just the fact of the matter. president obama touting this as being so fantastic. he did almost nothing. he didn't even come close to being on track to meet the obligations that he was setting out there. he had no plan to do it at all.

there is no form of policing, there is nothing that happen if you don't follow it. it's a meaningless agreement. china gets to continue to increase its carbon emissions through this whole entire thing. >> harris: i don't have total agreement within the republican party. >> kennedy: no, you still have people who want to be liked within the party. the most important thing, this is something that senator lee points out in his book, we have to constantly ask ourselves, what is the function of government? cleaning up the environment, there is no one out there who wants dirty water and dirty air. people have modified their behavior and so has the industry. we are going to see massive change through technology and innovation through the private sector. you've got two things going on here. one is your complaining that the

united states is misleading, but then you have the rest of the signatories to this agreement or relying so much on the united states. which is it? on one hand, there are no means of policing, but on the other hand, we could lose up to 400,000 jobs in this country. >> harris: you're talking about catherine herridge. real quickly, i want to get to you on this -- >> mike: i want to build on something kennedy said. it's interesting that a lot of the people who are most supportive of the paris agreement and who have expressed some of the most outrage in the last 24 hours are people who are now saying it's okay, we don't need the federal government, will continue doing is anyway through private industries. welcome to federalism and free markets.

>> harris: that was my question before the big announcement yesterday. if it's good for the free market, these countries will do it anyway because it's good for their bottom line. they want to continue to come up with new ways to handle energy. >> meghan: talking about climate change is a deeply political tribal issue. if you're on the left trying to change it, -- on the right, even if it's genuine or not, it's seen as something that only the left can care about. as you pointed out, all americans want clean water and air. china didn't have anything to do until 2030. we have to do something by 2025. there's a lot of ambiguity and it. much like many other deals that president trump is putting out, there is an onus on the united states that there isn't on other country. it's a bad deal. that being said, at the left wants to get rid america interested in the environment and climate change, they have to

focus on green jobs, green energy, fracking, there's a lot of synergy in this job creation in this country and the free market. if you make it, the apocalypse is coming in a giant flood is going to kill a straight now, it makes people turn off and turn the channel and change their minds on this. it's incredible to me that the labs are hysterical. >> harris: this is relating to what we are talking about. many state, local, and other leaders are bucking president trump on the accord that we just pulled out of including at least 30 mayors, three governors and more than 80 university presidents. "the new york times" reports that they will meet the united states greenhouse gas emission targets under the paris climate deal. one of those group members tweeted this. as the mayor of pittsburgh, i can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the

paris agreement for our people, our economy, in the future. the washington governor had this to say. >> number one, we want to hearten the international communities.ave about 90 millioe today, americans who live in states that already have embraced the constraint on carbon solutions. it's important that that message is received by the rest of the world. number two, we want to inspire other states to join us. >> harris: is this political go round at the white house legal? >> kennedy: >> mike: of course. this was never an agreement in the first place. it is not the law of the land. had it been ratified, it would be the law of the land. the fact that people are expressing outrage, -- if it was

toothless, why are they so upse upset? >> kennedy: you want your city to adhere, these companies will do it on their own, fantastic. that proves that people can make choices and do things on their own and you don't need the international community or the federal government mandating it. they are undermining their own point and they don't even realize it. choose to adhere if you'd like to. those who don't because it does make economic sense, don't do i it. >> kennedy: if it does, that's fantastic. again, it shows the importance of an unshackled private sector and free market. if you have all these countries that are imposing these admissions standards and carbon footprint reduction, the of all sorts of countries in the united states that are going to figure out a way to get the materials there sooner and cheaper and better. i think that's great for our economy and it saves the planet in the process. for all of that, you don't need the paris climate accord. >> meghan: it always seems to

me that the parent claim in accord was too much for the left. it doesn't accomplish that much. i'm going to be 46 at the time. the idea -- i read a lot into this. if you look at the nitty-gritty and the details, it is in accomplishing that much. the idea that you'll become so hysterical and angry at president trump just because he is concentrating and focusing more on america first which he ran and one on versus being part of the paris agreement, at surprising that they are so hysterical right now because it doesn't really actually accomplish that much. >> harris: senator, i had a question about how this ties in. we saw breck sit in the u.k. where they were so tied to this, they didn't want that type. they's ties us in a way to the community that might actually be good for us.

>> mike: those who are chastising us get out of it saying you're going to be like nicaragua and's theory right no now. they also pulled out. i've done more interviews on this. the fact that somebody else also made a decision for an entirely different reason doesn't make us like them. this kind of shaming is counterproductive and it diminishes their credibility substantially. >> harris: it shows the argument might be weak. >> mike: yes, exactly. >> harris: thank you for being here. it's great to have you. there's more. president trump is turning to the high court in hopes of reviving his travel ban from six mostly muslim countries. how is the supreme court likely to rule on the executive order that was already blocked the lower courts several times? and some democrats are stirring

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>> meghan: fox news alert. the white house is formally asking the supreme court to revise the ban on travelers from six mostly muslim countries. no word on when the justices might take up the case. the orders have been blocked multiple times by federal judges and upheld on appeal. critics call the ban on constitutional the fourth circuit court of appeals said it targets muslims. the administration says it's all about safety. as vice president pence on "fox & friends" today. >> we remain very confident that once this reaches the supreme court, they're going to recognize the right of the president and the constitution and the statute of this country to control immigration in a way that puts the security of our country first. >> meghan: this year, we have admitted 19% more than last may. >> mike: i don't think it's unconstitutional.

section 212f gives pretty broad discretion to the president of the united states to take steps to protect the american people. i don't see anything honest constitutional about it. >> meghan: >> mike: this is a real distinction between what we called textural lists reviewing the text of a statute and those who consider all sorts of other things. if they can peer into the soul of those who issue this order and president trump himself, that's a new kind of judging. it is not the kind of judging we want. >> kennedy: i think that's a really critical point. the reliance and some of these cases in maryland and hawaii have to do with the president's intent. his lawyers made the case that once the president takes the

oath of office, that is a vastly important transformation going from a private citizen to a public citizen and therefore, some of those comments do not have the same legal weight. how important is intent? >> mike: he's utilized that discretion and he is utilized it under the religiously neutral terms. that's why i maintained there is nothing unconstitutional about this. >> harris: why is this president not being given the same type of latitude to make a decision that so closely relates to our national security at those other presidents in the past? i understand the comments that were made before, but based on everything that we know that's going on in the world right now, those countries still being on a list of the former president capped, why isn't he being given the same latitude? >> mike: they don't like him.

they really, really wanted hillary clinton to be elected and they're willing to push back on that and every single way they can imagine. just like we are seeing from the paris claimant agreement, . >> melissa: look at what's going on in the philippines. the disaster that we saw in syria that comes in and takes advantage of the fact that there's a lot of chaos going on in the country. they have moved into areas. you look at the spread of isis around the globe.

we need to be serious about writing the planning of this evil and instead we're fighting about will set on the campaign trail when problems are getting worse by the minute. >> kennedy: i agree with you. i don't think people have figured out that all-important rental is how you redirect these parts in mind. my question for you, a lot of these terrorists that we have seen have come from allied countries. the u.k. and belgium and france. when they are born there, it's very difficult to shut down immigration from every country and still have a thriving economy. >> mike: that's exactly right. this particular executive order or any other. it doesn't get to every aspect of the problem. it doesn't mean the president lacks that authority. in this circumstance, the president can conclude that certain parts of the world might pose a greater threat because their identities can't be

verified. at the absence of any kind of reliable database -- of the president reaches that conclusion, he has the authority to stop them from coming in. there are people here who might do us harm. that's a different question. >> harris: you can look at this with what just happened in manchester, england, that many of these people do end up going to those countries to be radicalized. they're traveling to syria and other countries and their going back to the places and yemen and going back into the places -- there hitting us. they are going to get radicalized. it still deserves a second closer look. by the way, this is a stay for 120 days. a lot of people don't talk about that either. i'm spitting the facts. s120 days to look at how event.

>> mike: it's a pause that would allow the administration to exhale and take a deep breath and look of the situation. i would ask the question, do we really want to discourage this president or any future presidents by subjecting them to this amount of ridicule from taking action in the future there might be necessary to protect us? we know a lot about our enemies. we know we have sworn enemies will do anything they can to use our rights, our liberties, our systems of laws to terrorize us. we really want want to discourage that? if we had a democratic president, i would hope that president would be concerned about the safety and welfare of the american people. we would say let's pause that for a while. >> meghan: the white house is planning to move forward with his agenda despite the russian probe and now we're learning

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♪ >> melissa: james comey center testified before the senate intelligence committee next thursday. this has we are learning more details about the white house's plan to fend off the russia allegations. a source tells us the white house is sending a professional unit is focusing on the probes. this will all the rest of the staff to work on promoting president trump's agenda. the unit is being organized by

reince priebus, senior advisor, jared kushner and steve bannon. shouldn't they have done this from the beginning? >> meghan: reince priebus is not being let go? the differences between those three men as intense. jared kushner was petitioning to have president trump staying in the paris accord. steve bannon was a vocal critic. the masters of disaster as the war room was called, i don't think putting this together as a completely certain idea, but at a certain point, you also have to get congress and start winning hearts and minds and our own party. they haven't shown me that they work together well at this point. until i see the results of this, i'm also going to take a pause.

>> mike: i find the entire thing frustrating. i have democratic colleagues who've seen a lot more classified information than i have because of their positions on the intel committee. the look at this and say i have yet to see a single piece of evidence. that being the case, people were awfully obsessed with this issue. i look forward to the day when people can say we got to the bottom of it, there is no there there and move on. >> harris: this seems to be a theme here that there is no evidence, but there is evidence that all these other things that we need to get done. >> kennedy: if it is all about the democrats having a strategy to distract from the greatest election loss in the history of hillary clinton's long and

boring life, they are doing a great job communicating that. can you imagine if they actually had ideas and they were able to communicate them as effectively as they are the entire story about russia? there would be so many news outlets glued to every leak. >> mike: if it were true, it would be so glorious for them. they would love it. the fact that it's not true is a nuisance for some of them. the facts are going to show -- >> melissa: when he got onto the strategy of the messaging, you admitted the messaging that's coming out of the white house. we don't have every press briefing dominated by questions to sean spicer about russia. if you direct them somewhere else, this is what the client instead and it was effective. >> meghan: there's so much leaking command of the

white house, i said months ago that they need to get that under control and find out who's doing it. until they get their own internal team in order -- they do have the capacity and ability to control the narrative and they're not doing it right now. the idea that reince priebus and steve bannon, the two people who have already been running white house make that happen, i'm a little skeptical because i think they would have done it already. fresh blood coming and what and hurt this white house. >> harris: we don't have an indication that this is the end of the changes. megan brings up a good point. this is what we know right now. i'm curious to get your take on this. if a war room type of situation focusing on all the end coming in terms scandal or investigation, while they're doing that, can we also look for the leakers? i don't know what you've heard or learned, but anybody who is not on the side of the white house probably needs to go at this point. >> mike: that's right.

jeff sessions is doing an aggressive investigation into that issue. this is a problem. if you have people close to the president, if you have a judas in their, then you have a real problem because people are using their access to get information as to their classified or highly confidential or both. and then leaking it deliberately to harm the president. that's a big problem. increasingly, people leave breadcrumbs, they leave signals. >> kennedy: i'm sure people who had never occurred to before, i'll call "the washington post" ." some in the mainstream media are having a meltdown after president trump's decision to quit the paris climate deal. the cover of today's new york daily news with the headline,

trumped to the world, drop dead. that's not dramatic. the weather channel's website urging readers to be outraged with headlines like don't care? proof you showed. and even more proof, liberal journalists also sounding the alarm on tv last night. watch this. the >> is a very dramatic symbolic blow. >> dark speech and as you go through it, four or five dark speeches. >> the effects of climate change are being felt and leaders are already vowing to fight back. >> it's a very ominous moment. the question is, how much do we protect our own country? >> kennedy: is it a surprise to you to see this reaction not only from global readers, but

also journalists in this country? >> mike: not at all. these same faces about making comments like this since the grover cleveland administration. they are still moving forward with it today. it's predictable. it's almost automatic. i hear the same talking points over and over and over again over the last 24 hours since the president's announcement. every single time they follow the same segments of talking points, it's almost as if there and within the matrix. they're all speaking through one network. >> kennedy: it's interesting because no one is acknowledging the air has gotten cleaner, the environment has gotten cleaner and there are a lot of industries that are doing so much, but you're not going to hear that side of it which is very odd. it's almost heresy to cast any sort of a skeptical lie on the accord. >> melissa: we will all be vilified from this couch on the internet will light up from the left, no doubt. i was surprised by them saying

and the cities where they are feeling the impact of climate change, children are suffering, and here we are, making it even worse. it's interesting how deeply they bought in. >> harris: was really intriguing about what you're saying is that it isn't necessarily mutually inclusive for some. to say the climate is changing, it doesn't mean it's being man-made and terms of its cause or it's worsening. we can talk, we can have a conversation that has two topics. >> mike: we can also take it to a third step. there is the question of to what extent it's warming. there's a third question that gets left out which is what if anything can we do about it even if the answers to one and two are yes? i have yet to hear a single

proposal that would promise to deliver anything substantial. anything other than a tiny fraction of the degree of a very lengthy period of time. >> kennedy: part of the problem, it's almost impossible to forecast these things. if it were possible, then manhattan would be under water right now. we'd be snuggling and the depths of the ocean with polar bears. >> harris: it was almost that bad during hurricane sandy. >> meghan: i think it's completely fine for the american public, especially young americans to care about the environment and wanting to have cleaner drinking water. coral reefs are dying off, the ice caps are melting at larger numbers. he can debate about how and why.

i am angry about the fact that we can't all care about the environment without it going automatically to your going to die tomorrow, all of these things. we have completely disintegrated any idea of anyone coming to the middle. for young conservatives like me. terrorism, jobs, much bigger on my list, but is in the top ten things that i care about? yes, of course. the problem is, i've talked about this many times, i used to work with environmentalists. many of them do not practice what they preach. they fly run private jets, there is an expectation level than average americans need to give up, light bulbs -- they need to sacrifice more than these billionaires. with all these billionaires, they did lecture me when i worked with them. if they want to step up and practice what they preach -- i

exhort you and your colleagues >> harris: can you get that done this week? >> mike: yes. by the end of the hour today. >> harris: such an over achiever. >> kennedy: hillary clinton on the attack again. some democrats are starting to turn on her saying it's time to move on and for the party to look forward. are they right? ♪ mmmm. mmmm. mmmm... ugh. nothing spoils a moment like heartburn. try new alka-seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. it's fast, powerful relief with no chalky taste. [ sings high note ] ultra strength, new from alka-seltzer. enjoy the relief.

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living in such an abnormal time. when we look at the way that this white house is behaving about some of the biggest challenges we face, it is deeply troubling. it is also worrisome that it could cause lasting damage to our institution. >> meghan: that hillary clinton on the attack at a gun, slimming president trump one day after blaming 24 different things for her election laws. some democrats are turning on hillary clinton including the woman who ran her first presidential campaign. i love hillary clinton, but i'm tired of hearing who and what she blames for her loss. want to hear how democrats can win. time to move on. al franken agrees. watch what he says. >> i think she has a right to analyze what happened, but we do have to move on and we have to move on by proving that we are

the party that cares about the people who voted. a lot of people voted for trump. >> meghan: i'll start with you. what do you make of hillary clinton blaming everyone except yourself? >> mike: when my were little, they would listen to the song that never ends. it's time to put the election behind us. >> harris: when she went off a couple days ago, i was thinking the wheels of the bus go round and round. >> kennedy: she is rolling over s caucus. i think about people who were who voted for president trump. what she was saying was so incredibly selfish. these speeches on the excuses, they were so self-centered that you would need to look at

democrats and have to be frustrated. if you're looking ahead to those midterms, is this really what you want to hear her? her constant retrial. it borders on mental illness. >> melissa: people have come into hear about innovation or technology or anything else and instead, they are treated to hour of her blaming. i must have been frustrating for the audience. she said things that other people wouldn't get away with. she went into the misogyny. they're going to be much more skeptical and critical of somebody who doesn't talk like a. president obama spoke about racial barrier, but he's a very attractive good looking man. what does that mean? he was only able to break the racial barrier because he is attractive?

if you said this person only got elected because there are attractive not good, can you imagine how you would be vilified? the things she gets away with saying are incredible. >> mike: as a particularly attractive man, i'm offended. >> harris: this whole idea, i can't even imagine what it would be like if i had not been there and been a front row seat to history, but when someone loses and they take that introspective look and then they say, i still want to be relevant, how do i achieve relevance? this isn't how you do it. to come back with ideas. >> meghan: you have to put america first. again, i don't know anything about the clintons family life. i know that if my father were on tv, doing and saying these things after he left, i'm telling you, everyone in my family would have a stone cold conversation with him and not let him back on television.

the women in my father's life to have that influence on him. i'm surprised that chelsea and bill are letting her ruin whatever is left of her legacy. even young millennials, there was a certain group of people who did like her. whatever resistance she's being a part of, she's destroying it at this moment. it's really, really, really sad. women, if we lose, we don't need to become pathetic purity can rise back up. she could have a great career in front of her, but it was like that's never going to happen. >> harris: the victimization. it's all powerful. >> meghan: i would love hillary clinton never did these interviews. there are founders of our country who never got their due until now. senator mike lee his new book telling the untold story to help keep the government in check. we'll be right back managing blood sugar is not a marathon.

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the drafting. that constitution was written by john adams and it declared that all human beings are free and equal, that these are natural rights and down to all people by god. when she realized that this was part of the massachusetts state constitution, she thought i'm going to go and do something about this and she sued. this is something you go after when you go to return a property and she won her freedom. the story doesn't fit our narrative because it focuses on the fact -- the equal rights of all human beings. >> harris: the constitution is not as popular as some might think. we embrace it today, but not so much in the past. >> mike: not so much. there were a number of people i focus on in this book who ended up opposing the constitution,

even though there are patriots their warnings were valuable but what the constitution means today. they pointed out that there are great risks and essential government. we need to remember that at the time of the revolution, it was a fear of a distant hall powerful national government. some of the founders like martin -- luther martin, drunk most of the way. the >> kennedy: people have to read your book for the storytelling alone because it really pulls you in to the process. you realize how contentious and how ongoing it was and you call the constitution the greatest governing document that has ever been written. have we failed our constitution by being too much of a centralized power? >> mike: we have certainly departed from it.

it's not gone, it's still there. it's in order to give life to it and to give meaning to those productions that limit power and keep it diffused and close to the people where can be quickly turned around. we have to understand the stories that led to its creation. that's why i wrote this book. i won't the american people to have these stories because it will influence our attitude towards government. >> harris: we are going to be right back, stay close uit part , i think you missed a spot. so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part. you want this color over the whole house?

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>> what? that was awesome. >> thank you, thank you. keep expectations low and people are pleasantly surprised. >> that's the secret to life. "happening now". >> leland: we are expected to hear from scott pruitt on the president's decision to pull the united states out of the paris accord. intelligency we are hearing all of the news "happening now". >> leland: convicting views over climate sxhafrj the president's exit from the paris accord. >> i was elected to represent pittsburg and not paris. >> leland: some companies are