the metropolitan police. >> you are watching live news coverage of this multiple scene terror attack. three separate scenes. for sales at large. one person killed. shots fired. in fact multipl multiple peopled by assailants. >> a number of evacuations of people who were awakened in their hotel rooms. children being told to leave the area. will turn it over to judge jeanine with justice, she'll have more details. >> police in the u.k. confirm multiple acts of terrorism in london. hello and welcome to justice, i'm judge jeanine. as we have been reporting for the past several hours here, witnesses and police in london say a speeding band mode down pedestrians on a london bridge just after 10:00 p.m. london time tonight. that is about four hours ago. when this is also saw people stabbed on the judges as well. no official word yet on the number of casualties or

fatalities. british prime minister, tresa mays following two elements of these incidents and says they are being treated as acts of terrorism. here at home, president trump has been briefed on the attack. he has tweeted a pledge to support the u.k. with anything they need. joining me now by phone is brad meyer eyewitness to the london bridge attack. good evening brad. >> you are a witness, where were you, what did you see, and you are an american, correct? >> yes, i am from florida i was about halfway down the bridge around 10:00 p.m. and i was taking pictures of the terror bridge which is the bridge to the east. i decided to walk back to the north of the bridge and walked down the stairs and had towards the riverwalk which is a nice area you can walk down to get

closer to the tower bridge. about two minutes later after walking down the stairs, i heard a loud noise behind me and turned around to see the white van crashed into the guard rail. it was continuing to go down the guardrail hitting pedestrians. i heard it several different times as it continue to crash that way. i also saw a person jump from the bridge to get out of its path. immediately afterwards i came back up the stairs and looked. everyone was standing in shock as to what has happened. was it an accident or terrorism? i thought it was an attack indeed. i saw several people on the ground on the north side of the bridge. >> judge jeanine: let me interrupt you for a moment.

what we're seeing on the screen is a photo that you took just before the incident of yourself? >> yes. yes. >> judge jeanine: it's a quiet kind of a summary saturday night in london on london bridge there? >> yes. it rained earlier and then cleared up. i walked out to take a look. >> judge jeanine: how long after you took that selfie did you hear the noise in the van crashing into the real? >> about five minutes. >> judge jeanine: so you say that it bumped from the bridge. were you able to actually see the van? we able to see a driver? what happened? >> i was not close enough to see the driver. i was below the bridge. it's going at a high rate of speed, 30 or 40 miles per hour. i did see the white van hitting people as well and a person jumping.

>> judge jeanine: when you see a person jumping you say out of the way of the van? over the bridge into the water? >> into the water, about halfway down to avoid getting hit. >> judge jeanine: i assume there are people walking around this time of evening? >> yes. i would estimate at minimum probably 20 on that side of the road. it was on the left-hand side of the road heading south. they do drive on the left here. so that would've been aside came from. >> judge jeanine: did you hear about anyone say anything, yell anything? did you hear anything unusual beside the van hitting the guardrail? >> no, i did not hear anything spoken other than the noises of the van. >> judge jeanine: i understand there's another image you took. >> yes. directly afterwards, did not really want to get close to it. i wanted to make sure everybody was okay. the photo is of several bystanders attending to a person who had gotten hit. it is not too clear.

that is the only one. >> judge jeanine: with a person who had got hit we able to see that person? what did you see? >> it appeared to be a man. probably 40s or 50s. >> judge jeanine: what kind of injuries did he appear to have? >> i did not see the person moving. i was not close enough to really discern what was going on. >> judge jeanine: how long after you saw him to to hear emergency response, police vehicles? >> it was very quick. it's a very highly traffic area. about two minutes. >> judge jeanine: is there anything else you can tell us? what were people doing? how are they reacting? >> people were mainly in shock.

such a quiet and i like this a terrorism event is not what you expect to happen. >> judge jeanine: did they panic? or were they just standing there? >> they were just standing there at that time. i did not see panic, this was at the north side of the bridge. this is not the area where the truck or van ended up. so, there could be another case on the other side. >> judge jeanine: did you see where the van ended up? >> it was far enough out of my line of sight going down. >> judge jeanine: when are you coming home? >> i'm on vacation for one more week and then headed back to the u.s. >> judge jeanine: stay safe. thank you for joining us. joining me now, conservative columnist and author mark stein. our, very interesting, we are again hearing about a van mowing down individuals and soft target areas where there is not a lot of security or protection. there probably cannot be in a free society. >> no.

london bridge is not like new york bridges. they have a lot of pedestrian traffic. in this case it's a big london area that ends on the south side of the london bridge station. everybody gets out and walks across the river to the west end and into the city of london. there's always people on that bridge. narrow sidewalks and like the person who jumped, and i would not want to jump off one of those. there's no where to go but the river if you're those bridges. >> judge jeanine: what about the time of night? it appears to be a summer evening there. saturday night. >> this is a very lively part of the city. that whole london bridge and borough market area, at this time on a saturday night it is full of lots of hip, fashionable restaurants and pubs. it's a residential area. there is always people there.

if you just want to go and stab a bunch of them. >> judge jeanine: now we are hearing about borough market. there were stabbings there as well. how far is borough market from the london bridge area? >> a couple of minutes way. it is a 1000-year-old market. part of the fabric of london. these attacks are not accidental. they know where the people are. this is 12 days after the manchester attack. after teresa may put soldiers on the streets of london which is incredible in itself. to protect and reassure people and have is useless. we know already their fatalities. >> whether it is useless, i wonder if there is any way to identify this kind of attack. the soft target. as we come into the summer season, london is a global city

that receives many tourists. it's almost as though you people trying to case where they can go and where they can do damage without being identified. >> you can always do damage. if you just want to get a 12-inch knife as these knives have been described, and if you just want to be some people said this was a b and q van. that is like home depot. in other words, it is a venue would see going on the streets and think nothing of it. that is the easiest. everyone said the manchester attack was sophisticated. this was the opposite. just as there's people there and i can use my car knife to kill them. >> judge jeanine: when way here, there were reports that there is stabbings on the bridge as well stabbings and borough market. one of the nice identified at least a longer 12 inches.

this is the kind of thing that would not easily be prevented. >> if you think about any kind of fashionable restaurant on a saturday night in new york or any city in the western world, and someone comes in were talking 3 - 5 people. someone comes in with knives, where do you go? generally there's only one dorian and one door out. you can imagine the panic if that was to happen in a restaurant that rockefeller center or any equivalent. if the target is the soft and this is unprecedented, the ira got criticism for going up shopping centers and buses, but they never just randomly went into a restaurant and stabbed a bunch of people. it is a different level of terror. >> judge jeanine: what is interesting is after the concert in manchester, the threat level in the u.k. was raised to critical.

it was then just reduced and lowered to severe. what, if any impact you think this had on any shape? >> i think this is a marketing device. i look at france which has been state of emergency since the november 2015 paris attacks. the french state is exhausted. you get your bags searched when he going to is shopping center. i spoke to tell the french police and soldiers and their been working overtime since november 2015. there wiped out and exhausted. the french government does not dare to lower the state of admit emergency. britain doesn't want to go there. that's why they go up and down from severe to critical, critical to severe and none of it means anything. >> judge jeanine: mark, stay with us. joining me now by phone, jim callister.

>> hello. how are you doing? >> judge jeanine: i am fine. this is something you're familiar with. what's your initial reaction? >> judge jeanine: we have seen this play before. we have seen all of the acts. the brits responded greatly. none of these countries do and we don't to, we are reacting to something. the mayor of london, i love this guy. he says what a great job the first responders, i don't even think he mentioned the victims lame body on the bridge of people at butcher knives. in listening to the reporters and sky news that are so politically correct about what are we going to name this thing. is it every day that four people jump out of a van with foot long

butcher knives and start hacking people? it's clear what was at the very beginning. in the country is full of these people. there is an endless supply and we don't deal with that issue. >> how do we get ahead of this? the mayor of london, how do we get ahead of this in the free society? by the way, the reaction and response according to everyone we're talking to was excellent and almost immediate. >> it is a reaction that people were stabbed and already dead and people are going to have the funerals. we need to change the loss. look at what goes on in europe. these people go back and forth across the borders and go to training camps. they learn all of this stuff. the motivation is global. it's on the internet and they come back to these countries and nothing happens until they actually kill people or blow

people up. we are not much different. you know, judge. do you ever say to yourself after everyone of these incidents, whether it's ak-47s, mowing people down her bombs, you hear the intelligence apparatus of what of country is that these people were on the radar. that's a case in almost every one of these. but it's frozen by political correctness tracked. >> judge jeanine: hopefully with president trump there'll be a reckoning of what we need to do. all of us are tired of hearing about people like the boston bombers needing to going and coming back. >> the attorney general needs to step in and change the ag guidelines. they need to get the politicalization out of the fbi. put motive into the training of what these people are and how and why they act.

we basically side the arms of the borough and other agencies in place in particular the united states with one arm behind their back for a decade and a half. that has to change. >> judge jeanine: let's hope it does. jim, thank you. periodically we have been listening in on our sister network, sky news in the u.k. as they cover this breaking news story in their home country. let's join them now. >> jason, with where you are in the past few minutes, i believe we saw what appears to be a metropolitan police mobile command unit. we have been trying to avoid -- as soon as possible. but the command units across from where you are suggest there's lots of work being carried out by the police

there's lots of work being carried out by the police in all my years of reporting i have never seen this kind of police presence at any incidents ever. his constant coming and going of vehicles. i have never seen a police cordon as large as this as i was coming in from west london. there is a couple of miles away from where i am now. at least 2 miles away from london bridge. as you can see behind me that is 1.6 miles away from where we are currently standing. and borough market where one of the incidents took place is behind perhaps you can see the church with the clock in the distance. between where i am in their we have seen armed police officers. things have been going up around the city and when i arrived earlier people were coming back

trying to get back to their homes, not able to do so. if you bring the camera arounds back to the end of the street you can see this area is also closed. so you can see the flashing lights and cars not coming down. this is just one section of an area of london that is being closed. i've walked around to a lot of it. it's endless. now pete is holding the camera. he was and borough market when the incident happened. there was a lot of police leaving quickly and the police themselves trying to get out warning people to get away. it seems from reports that

police very rapidly responded to the incident borough market. it wasn't just a case of clearing people from the ground. people who are in their homes were told to leave their homes, get as far away as possible. they took it very seriously and that's why quite a lot of people have left their houses and come outside and now cannot get back in. he also spoke to an eyewitness in the restaurant where this knife attacker and witness had a foot-long knife and said he stabbed a woman in the restaurant. also describe some of the other customers in the restaurant who try to repel the attacker by throwing chairs and classes at them. anything they could pick up to try to get the guy out of the restaurant and stop him from attacking. no doubt will hear stories about how people try to stop the

attackers. as of yet, we still do not know if they're still at large in the area. the command unit has been driven in in a huge truck what is that? just a truck and it did look like a massive vehicle. behind the came another group of police officers in vans. there's another one coming down now. it is constant. constantly vehicles coming in with more officers coming to the scene. they're still more arriving than leaving here this evening. is this operation continues to go on in central london. >> thank you. those pictures that you are looking at their were just to

the rights is london bridge itself. the only lights and even at this time in the morning, 20 minutes past two, you would expect to see traffic passing over volumes. that is not the case. the bridge is closed. the investigation will be fully underway as to what happened. i want to bring in our defense correspondence was with me in the studio. we know that the prime minister is returning if she is not there are ready. second, that tomorrow morning i'm told at a meeting of the emergency civil contingencies committee, cobra what is the practice of that? what should lead into that?

that orange light you see on the right of your screen expanding as the camera turned, that is london bridge itself. we should be seeing traffic over it. but we are not. tell us about cobra. >> in this context, if you consider how fast-moving events are and how ensure we are asked to the key facts about the incident tonight, the point of cobra in the morning would be to bring together all of the key figures involved in this instance. they'll be sure by the prime minister as it always is the most serious of cases. it will include cabinet members who have an interest in what is going on. the home secretary who is normally part of the mi five, the foreign secretary who has the same responsibility, the defense secretary, i imagine the

health secretary as well given the role of the hospitals and medical teams. of course it will bring in senior figures in the metropolitan police. i mention the commissioner will be attending of the heads of the u.k. intelligence agencies. it is to assess where we are, what we know, what is going on and then look ahead to the coming hours and to consider what needs to be done in the coming hours. i would have thought if there is a meeting around 9:00 o'clock tomorrow morning that there could be a follow-up meeting at some point in the afternoon. >> in terms of the coronation, who takes leaders, there must be domestic emergency services in the midst of this. it's a metropolitan police that

will be front and center. >> it will be. where the london bridge sits almost is on the border of two police domains. he of the metropolitan police in charge of london, greater london and the city of london police. london bridge is just over the river, but in this case it is very much a metropolitan police lead. the uk's national counterterror unit sits in scotland yard and they will be leading the investigation of they'll be leaving the immediate response. but others feed into that. the intelligence agencies feed into that and they will try to ascertain various things as investigation develops. and so to other bodies when they

can. >> thank you. that meeting is due to happen tomorrow. another personal attending is the mayor of london. will speak to our correspondent who has also been monitoring the events and tried to bring us up today. we've had a strongly worded statement from them. >> that's right. in the last three minutes we've had the statement from the mayor of london. says metropolitan police are responding to the horrific terrorist attack at london bridge and borough market. he says that my thoughts are with everyone affected and i would like to thank the brave men and women of our emergency services who are first on the scene's and who will be working throughout the night. he says i'm in close contact with the commissioners senior officers and be kept updated on all developments. a be attending the government's emergency cobra meeting later this morning. he can from the station is closed and they're asking people to avoid the area.

he would ask all londoners and businesses to remain calm and vigilant. please report anything suspicious to the police. but only call 999 in an emergency. we do not yet know the full details that this was a deliberate attack. i condemn it in the strongest possible terms. there is no justification whatsoever for such a barbaric acts. were starting to get a response from a number politicians committed, not just the prime minister who made a statement earlier. we also had a statement from the latest leader, jeremy corbin who says brutal and shocking incidents reported in london. i thoughts are with the victims and their families. he says thank you to the emergency services. to give you an idea what is going on, we are on -- bridge road. london bridge is a little ways

over there. i arrived around 11:00 o'clock to see people running towards me. they had been drinking at a pub not far from here. the police came up and told them to run. they ran to the other side. a young woman i spoke to was at a stranger's car to arrive at the other side of the bridge. they had seen two wounded people on the ground. they saw someone else covered in blood. we later saw a number of people being escorted by police over the bridge. they were evacuated from a premier in not very far from here. some caught up in the incident earlier had gone back to the hotel. little children there. they were there and the police had gone around knocking on the doors of the hotel and asked them to evacuate the hotel. not quite clear what they're looking for but they wanted to

do a search of it. a lot of people scared and confused. >> thank you. will be speaking with a number of witnesses throughout the evening, all of whom have been trying to provide as much information as possible to try and eliminate events in a city that in one area has come to a halt. one that we have spoken to close to where she was standing was tony. he told sky news that he had a lot long time of gunfire before he thought the police arrived and numbers. >> i'm actually military. but have now are getting preceding all of this have a flat adjacent to the bridge. london bridge is across the way. in fact there's tremendous gunfire which started. i thought at first it was fireworks but then i recognized

no significant gunfire. that was the first incident. afterwards very rapidly the emergency started ten minutes after. the whole incident started with gunfire and it was significant gunfire that went on for quite a while. other people would've thought it was fireworks but i recognized it immediately. after that there is shooting ambulances and police on the television screen at the moment i was so worried about the gunfire even before started. >> when he heard the gunfire was it in your opinion is former military, one weapon or did it appear that i was the one weapon? >> there is rapidfire.

that's why thought it was fireworks at the time. quite significant. it went on for a significant amount of time. sufficient for me to get out of the chair and have a look through the window to see if it was fireworks. that was before there is any police response which took about ten minutes. i saw them in the helicopters and the response was unbelievably fast. including a helicopter. >> at roughly what time did you hear that burst of gunfire? >> i lose track of time. about half an hour ago, 40 minutes ago. the police came about ten minutes after i had the gunfire. >> there speaking to me after the incident on london bridge

which has led to several casualties. the fears that it had led to some for tallies. >> judge jeanine: i am judge jeanine in york. you have been watching sky news coverage of multiple terror attacks in london. several pedestrians mowed down by speeding ban on the london president trump has been briefed on the attack and is pledged to help the uk with anything they need. no official word on fatalities yet but the reports of the multiple casualties in these incidences. joining me now, steve, former advisor to the uk and the most of the next revolution here on the fox news channel. good evening, steve. you worked for david cameron in the uk. tell us what is going on at ten downing street, right now.

>> will be scrambling to get all the information they can and will be trying to understand whether this is over or whether there's more to come. there will be a lot of panic and this is all happening in the middle of a general election campaign. this is now the third incident in a short space of time. we had the westminster and the manchester tac and now what's going on? will there be more between now and the general election. judge jeanine: let me interrupt you. three attacks in less than ten weeks, as you say, manchester, westminster, and today, the london bridge and borough market. print the middle of a prime minister campaign. we've got to resume when she was home secretary was kind of in favor of live and let live, let

anybody in and now we have her running against the former head of the labor party where he may still be, jeremy corbin. what does the electorate in the uk do? who is the person that is most right? who is going to be the person they both for and given, i imagine, the frustration based on the number of attacks and the reduction of the terror threat as well? >> you've got to the heart of it, judge. the real answer, sadly, is that nobody is getting it right. resume is more right than corbin. i've got no doubt about that. she is a serious leader and she does her homework and she's a tough lady. let's be honest about what's going on here. i asked -- let's take a bet right now that we get this information that this attack will be carried out by young, muslim men and they will be known to the authorities. we hear that every single time. what wheel really shocked me about the manchester attacks,

are busy, our hearts went out to the victims and their families and everyone was connected but what was really shocking was a few days after that the security services in the uk briefed the media until there were 23000 jihadists that they know about in the uk and there only 3000 that the following. judge jeanine: we don't know who has done this and we don't know the identities of who have done it. i don't necessarily disagree with you but we can't get ahead of it right now. my biggest concern is the former fbi assistant director said, jim, a few minutes ago here that the way we deal with this is a reactionary that what do we do now to prevent this from happening, it will just keep happening. >> i completely agree with that point. that's what i'm saying when you

have the bridges security saying publicly that they know of 23000 jihadists in the uk but that they are only tracking 3000, that's 20000 that they say they know about that they are not tracking. that says to me that the authorities have practically surrendered in this fight. so, when they come out with all their fine words and they were doing everything we can to keep people safe it's not true. the fight against terror is not being fought with the full arsenal of the state. judge jeanine: , why are the people in the uk not up in arms, why do we have two people running for prime minister, one who is even more less than the other than the prime minister having been home secretary in favor of let them all in? >> it's a really good points. i completely agree with you. the first thing on racks it on the term of the immigration is

that it was not delivered and it will take some time but there's a real problem in the uk with despite not being carried out fully. beyond immigration there's an important word beginning with i and that is integration. there's a huge problem around the uk with many parts of the country where people who are not integrated in the uk and into uk society. judge jeanine: what do you mean by that, steve? >> that means you have communities around the uk that are official government report published in december where huge proportions don't speak english, are not fully integrated, are not part of mainstream culture and that has been the result of decades of official policy of multiculturalism which you said that you can come to the uk and you can carry on with the traditions and values that are

not part of what we all support in the uk. you don't have to link english, you don't have to be part of mainstream society and all of that contributes. judge jeanine: here's the bottom line. that sounds great except the uk, your country, where you live, is saying that they're not doing anything about it. now you're living in the states, steve. what do you think

at the cobra meeting they will recommend raising the alert level to critical. you'll see the police back on the streets again. the general election is on

thursday and i'll be in play. secondly, you'll see a restoration of what our control orders in which terrorist suspects to the government government authorities do not have enough evidentiary status too caught are in a position to probation based environment where they are tagged with electronic ankle monitors and they have to report to the police station. i expect legislation will come in to reinvestigate that. judge jeanine: tom, what you're saying then is for those people who may be on a list or under the watchful eye of a cobra and my five or whatever the group is that now of the 3000 of the 23000 that may be passed a law and put a monitor. it's too late. were always reacting. the paradigm has to be changed we need to be able to identify these people and prevented them from going out and coming back in. why is the uk voting between a liberal and someone who's even more liberal.

what is going on there? >> i think teresa may on counterterrorism has been relatively tough. judge jeanine: no she wasn't. she wanted everybody in the place as home secretary. >> if you look at her reputation with mi five is a pretty good one. the functional issue is. judge jeanine: the her issue is home secretary. you are talking about immigration. >> i would say at the debate yes, there's uncontrolled immigration and it's a major concern. i think the functional issue here is what general mattis is saying in terms of the war against isis moving from the position of attrition to annihilation. that matters because if you see the connection points between the paris style attackers and omar between the orlando attacker is their belief that the black flag of isis is an ordained cause and that it's a sense of purpose and has

political value. if you destroy the caliphate, right, if you have sunni arabs but along the marines in 2006 especially with their boots on the ice is black smiling in photographs, suddenly those future young men that think this is fantastic think it is a loser cause. this is happening now and it wasn't happening in 2011. judge jeanine: tom, thanks for being with us tonight. back with me, conservative columnist and arthur mark stein. mark, what we are focusing on now is that the claim that we may be able to identify these people and stop them. what's your take. >> with respect to tom and steve, that would've been a fascinating debate to have 15 years ago. the german police say to monitor one of these guys takes 60 people so that if you have 23000 and if i've done my master that would have to be 1.8 million people to monitor them. that is ridiculous.

judge jeanine: we don't have the resources. >> and you can't. they have issued securities state at the moment and all that means is that you're picking up body parts three times in ten weeks. somebody needs, if i were running in this thursday's election i would be saying, look, we did mass immigration in the 1960s that were in a situation where british subjects have been blown up in their own country, only streets, going to pubs and restaurants and popcorn and three times in ten weeks and that's enough for having a moratorium until we gain control of the situation within our country. we had 23000 people and five they don't have the legislative authority. i want to jump from that to the united states. we don't have the authority to stop them from coming back if

their citizens back know, and you have to be able, as has been said, constitution is not a suicide pact. if the constitution here means that any goatherd in yemen who feel the urge to get on a plane and a district judge says you're not allowed to prevent that goatherd are in yemen to get on the plane, just for the purposes of comparison with these 3000 guys, mi five says the height of the ai are eight troubles there is no more than 100 ira active men and the british government if you were a suspect, had been convicted and you have been charged with anything but you are known to the authorities and you wanted to get on a plane or ferry to go from belfast to liverpool, they would stop you as a person of sufficient. judge jeanine: all right. let's move on from that thought the united states.

given what we are seen and given, clearly everything seems to be moving west. what do we do given the summer season, vacations, how do we protect our family members and what impact will this have on the application for the justice department to the supreme court? >> the supreme court should stop the upstart judge for making -- at the core of government is to protect the integrity of its borders to protect its citizens. if you're not a citizen, you're a guest here. if the united states government wants to throw me out, the united states government is entitled to do that. no non-american has the right to come to this country and it's perfectly reasonable to say the

situation in which hundreds of people have been slanted in france, 12 people are killed at a market in berlin, brussels airport is a war zone and these are particular circumstances and we are not having mass emigration anymore. judge jeanine: all right. mark, one the london ambulance service saying 20, 20 victims in the attacks are currently being treated at the area hospitals. no official word on fatalities yet. let's keep talking about that with panelists who joined me now reaction. good evening. what is your initial take on what you heard in the last couple hours? >> pushed to the fro fog and bureaucratic understanding what britain has now as a network of jihadists and that lesson number one. judge jeanine: do we know it's jihadist for sure patrick back every time i'm asked the question in an operation like this is happening i say give it

a few hours, and i would issue a press release. there's a pattern. of course, we don't know if the cell or individuals are jihadists. se to isis but that's the general concentration. in general terms, the uk is dealing with that bret but what is important to understand is that that bret is linked to a european threat and an international one which interacts with syria, iraq, libya and you just asked a question, judge, about the possibility of having similar operations or attempts in the united states. we need to start understanding that what we are dealing with is an international network, not just local. judge jeanine: how do we do it? look, americans and the one thing having lived through 911 and the one thing that is so important for our viewers to hear now is that you've got to have the ability to be in immediate contact with a family member if you are not with them and set up some kind of protocol so that we can stay in touch with our loved ones. but beyond that -- what do you

say to the united states to law enforcement now. we've got the travel ban where judges are striking it down, we know local law enforcement is, for the most part, on top of the game they may not know about this kind of stuff. >> law enforcement i've interacted with them for all agencies for 25 years. giving lectures about the jihadist and others. there is a consensus, judge, that the major problem is the national government needs to inform and educate and mobilize the public. the public is the largest ally. see the reaction to the terrorist or jihadist. if the individuals are educated and informed people act differently. i urge the report a few minutes ago that some in london tried to in another location try to attack the attacker. that is the reaction will get to.

we'll have to get to a society that understands we are at war and understand how these factions operate in the minimum reaction is number one. number two. in this case, we need to take measures. of course, we need to go faster in the downfall of isis in the middle east. we need probably to have a better betting system and yes, we have a court system and i'll be happy to be part of a dialogue with these judges. the judges need to understand that the nation is at war with the jihadists and not just a criminal activity. if they were against the jihadist. judge jeanine: when you talk about a betting system -- i know you were an advisor to donald trump's presidential candidate, what we do know is that it will be very hard when we have people coming here without a background or people coming that we don't even know about. even more than that, when you talk about dialogue with judges politics in this country, unfortunately, a lot of judges are forgetting presidents and ruling on politics.

that is very disturbing but i do agree with you that local law enforcement needs to be an informed by homeland security, by the federal agencies and i worked with local law enforcement for 30 years and they need to identify and recognize the threats and they can't be seen as threatening agencies. thank you for being with us this evening joining me now, former member of the israeli counterterrorism unit, aaron cohen. good evening, aaron. what's your take prescribed. >> i listen to your last judge and i agree a lot with what you say. here's what i think. there's not a difference between a simple test hussein islamic radical and an organized terrorist. the goal is the same. who cares whether or not you're connected to a much broader network.

the outcome is the same whether it's a blade jumping out in the middle of the street, whether it's a car on a bridge that 40000 people walked by, bicycle or drive over. my take is the security needs to get better, quicker. judge jeanine: how do we do that? >> let's start with the bridge. i'm not a structural engineer but i'm thinking you can throw some dollars up to divide where the cars pass and where the passengers walking. number one. number two put a couple uniformed officers and there's only two chokepoints on either end. let's have some armed police presence out there. that'll be a deterrent. again, multi layers. it would take a multi- failure event for a terrorist separatist or hard-core organizer to reach an objective. every layer would have to fail. two, the only thing and this is what we learned in israel and this is my old job. the what we learned about israel

at hamas, ices, all the same. the only thing they understand is fear. right now, they need to be more scared than we are. how do we do that? you can't protect every pipeline, you can't protect every citizen, it's impossible. you can track a 20000 would be jihadists like your last guest you said because it would take a million people. judge jeanine: we don't have resources. >> what you can do and what works is that you have to exact a very high price for these organizations and that means you have to put the pressure like you are overseas and that pressure, i believe, forces them to come to london. london is under siege. the only way to deal with the terror siege is to respond with terrorism on those success.

everywhere they're not looking and being watched and they're being grabbed and they're being arrested in their being shaken down in their being treated like the gangsters they are. judge jeanine: aaron, hold on a second. why is london in particular under siege? three attacks in less than ten weeks. why london? >> because london is absolute -- has an extremely high muslim population that sympathizes with ices. i believe there's a lot of average people who sympathize with the creation of the. [inaudible] in syria and iraq. the quran, you can't change the cron. five with all due respect and i have to say this. we don't know does this. i can assume that we don't know for sure. let's assume that there are these people who are sympathizers. what do you do in a civilized society with these individuals against whom you cannot file criminal charges what you do?

>> you have to change the laws so that i can as a leader of a counterterrorism unit approach you, judge, and get all the words i need to be able to begin making entries on any structure that i believe is cooperating, assisting or aiding and abetting a potential terror attack. i need to get that warrant before i have anything other than a little bit of cost. and that's the way counterterror works. in israel we found that you have to treat every potential possible terror attack as a terror attack and then start investigating backwards. traditionally, in america and london, scotland yard, fbi, grate and investigate crimes and breaking them up but with terrorism you need the intel before you have to go off hunches. yet to go out instinct and that internal reaction which raises the hair on the back of your head. then, you honestly have to have a look at all -- like the ariana

conde concert. how is a 30000 person venue not protected for the potential target and here we are asking were "after words" how is the security, you cannot approach soft target security with a soft approach aggressive policy and judges who get this thing so that counterterrorism agents can kick down doors and do their job. otherwise will be here talking to the same thing. judge jeanine: aaron cohen, thank you for being with us to see me. i'm going to go back to mark stein. what aaron cohen was saying was absolutely correct. that is there have to be an aggressive police approach and there have to be intelligent sharing. >> there also has to be -- look at the manchester guy.

suicide bombers blew himself up. his sister post a message on facebook congratulating him on entering paradise. she's not a terrorist but nor is she a functioning city of the western democracy. the question is that is the broader comfort zone in which the terrorism incubates. you actually have to wait for on the ideology that supports that. the idea that you can be a terrorist and all your family know what you're up to and your family supports you and you got friends who suspect you're up to something. that's the problem. there's a small number who self detonate but it's people like the sister to congratulate you on entering paradise were actually the broader problems five right, we've seen is in san bernardino and we've seen it with the wives of some of these individuals, omar and several of them. until we get to the point where

we changed the laws and aaron cohen talked about the police that doctor ferris and the judges. you can't take judges off the bench. for behind the eight ball with this. >> it's essentially an ideological conflict. indulging people when someone comes here they expect come to canada, australia, united states and they really want to live 37% of irish muslims want to live under soraya law in ireland. there's enough ireland has enough conflicts five you hit and a very important point. the difference between someone who. judge jeanine: the more this starts to creep up and soraya law is inconsistent with the constitution and more we have to recognize the danger zone that

we are in. back if you have someone, like aaron, sydney they had -- they said they need bollards and i love america because no one knows where the board bollard is. these metal poles all along the sidewalk to prevent a car. judge jeanine: there is another soft target. >> you can't make part from benefiting the bollard industry, the australian prime minister after they had one of these we need bollards. you have a choice here. you can bollard off every ariana conde concert, every pastry shop, every coffee shop, every aspect of life or you can deal with the question which is secure and have bollards are on your national border. it would be cheaper. judge jeanine: the more we hear

about this we hear about weapons. then you got the guys with the machetes, the guys with the big knife and you've got -- they come to other. >> i was in a french village last summer and mohammed went crazy because two little girls were in bathing suits. he stabbed them with his fork. the 4q having breakfast with he stabbed them with. they had to be helicoptered with function longs to the hospital. judge jeanine: how old are these girls? >> nine and 12. with a 4q having breakfast because he didn't like their bathing suits. judge jeanine: that something i hope we won't have where we have to deal with this kind of thing. a lot of changes need to be made. it would be interesting to see within the next week what happens with the election in the uk, what happened to the supreme court and the travel ban in the united states and a lot going on here. it's just the beginning of the

tourism season. all right. major terror attacks in london tonight. at least 20 people injured, no official word yet on fatalities. i'm judge janine, thanks for being with us. our coverage continues now with trace gallagher. >> i'm trace gallagher at the breaking news just in los angeles. we are continuing coverage of what place in the uk call 20 terror attacks in london. one of them on the london bridge and the other right next to the london bridge. the timeline is as follows. just after 10:00 p.m. a white van traveling around 50 miles. hour swerved up on the sidewalk and plowed into a group of pedestrians. there are reports saying that as many as 20 people may have been hit but most of the reporting