in several restaurants. one officer was injured in >> senior correspondent is live in london with the league details. bring us up to speed what you see on the ground. >> good morning. in the past half-hour we have heard from theresa may. or she was angry, livid and quite determined. she said now when it comes to terror after this third terror attack to hit the u.k. in the past three months, enough is enough.

things seem to change. here's more what the prime minister had to say. >> our response must always be when we have been confronted by violence, we must come together. we must pull together and united we will take on and defeat our enemies. >> this as they been seen images from the market area where the stabbing occurred. police have been moving in the past couple hours with heavy gear on as is described to us, either looking for any possible terrorist that still might be out there, maybe hiding out for any big names that haven't been accounted for. the death toll now sadly at seven and 48 injured, treated at five different hospitals. we've learned in the past half-hour of many are in critical conditions. victims including british citizens include a police

officer along with assistance from france, australia, new zealand. we've reached out to the u.s. embassy. we do not know whether there were any americans involved. we do know more about the trajectory of the terror strike last night a little after 10:00 p.m. local time in a white van. three individuals coming across to london bridge about london bridge about halfway over they seemed to go up onto the sidewalk at about 50 miles an hour. very, very fast to the crowded pavement they are. bodies could be seen strewn on the pavement in the street. one image to one of the individuals who was killed by police to get a sense of what these guys are. he had reared, camouflage pants and, a fake suicide vest on. according to eyewitnesses as they did their standing committee shouted out praise to allah, the muslim word for god. police were there eight minutes after it started.

that is very good. however, it happened and they are staging new ways to get to the bottom of all of this. back to you folks. trade today will continue to get to the bottom. tim was just on her show. i asked him off camera what do we do now. they will do everything on this guys life. they will pinpoint who he was talking to come and go through the apartments, take all of this together and see what the web is occurring. nothing happens in a vacuum. that is number three on her list. stop safe haven from the internet were a lot of these guys are radicalized. >> how are they slipping through the cracks and if they are citizens, how are they radicalized? ;-) not to a morning of another terrorist attack. think about the last 10 weeks in the u.k. they've got their big election come up as theresa may alluded to.

we've hedeal with terrorism. not just the u.k., but all around the world. tree into its third attack was seen in three months free live shots of london on the last part of your screen. in the eyes of these attackers, this is war. looking to uniform. camouflage, knives, motivated to kill. we need to stop for sure user was senseless. they have a plan. they have an ideology. they are being taught through propaganda. use trust that are fast, higher comments you can kill as many people as possible. they quote verses from the koran that from the koran that facebook been that the throw. they have an ideology. if you mr. carmona played for burks live last hour. she talked about an evil ideology of islamist extremism. especially the physical space, masks and madrassas where there's too much extremism and if they don't update their approach, unfortunately we may

see more of this. >> she also talked about difficult conversations, removing the space basis for terrorists in separate communities in the segregated separate communities as one of our gas mentioned earlier, these no go zones for police don't even want to go into. having this difficult conversation to something theresa may address saying enough is enough. he says this is something we need to address spirit within. >> this is that my list. this is highly planned in the strategy for this has been put out by isis and al qaeda and other jihadist groups for a long time. they want to achieve a strategic game through the attacks. first of all, if we understand the way insurgencies were, we have to acknowledge we are in the middle of the jihadist insurgency. they try and divide the

population between those that would support them and recruit from and the rest of society. they have a clear military object is here and of course we are dealing with insurgencies. we in turn have to have a counterinsurgency approach. >> they are doing anything you can as you said, pete, it is a family on a vacation together. their intent is to kill and they will do they can. most recently just getting behind a big fan of big truck and just mowing down as many people as they possibly can. we saw that last year in the spirit it was packed with people. trained to notice we are not having a gun debate right now. they killed with a knife, an ideology paid the same recipe time and time again. as the scene in the last year, less attacks that happened right europe and the united states from talk home in april to the

louvre in february. germany christmas market attacks that happened in september. ohio state, france, orlando, the nightclub shooting. hundreds and hundreds of people killed and maimed by radical islamic terrorism and it's not getting better. clayton: this incident, not guns. you have been using vehicles. it doesn't take much. what makes this thread different than what happened in these other areas? former member of the israel special operations counterterrorism unit in charities such as a leading manufacture of one person products for terrorism readiness. good to have you on the show. we talk about these cars, vans, knives, how deeply and for that? >> you need armed police officers to fire to vehicles the moment that one of these terrorist attacks are underway.

as far as the bridge goes, there is a way to insulated. you need uniformed police officers at both ends of the national structures such as the one in ridge and concrete colors you see in front of buildings in the u.s. which will separate the truck traveling at 50 miles an hour from being able to hit the pedestrian. that's one approach i would take. the other approach again involves both the layers. where i come out this thing is all about the defense. we are putting a lot of pressure in iraq and ice is it fair that will force all of this terror to start curdling inside europe. europe is literally a continent under siege. the british police need to be armed. the patrol level pulleys, there has to be guns to be able to fire at somebody who is so erratic that they are starting, driving, running over people. we are lucky it wasn't a machine gun.

it would've been even more deadly. in those situations you have to escalate or level of response to meet the lethal attack. if that's not congruent, for every second waste, another innocent person is killed. fervor around you messed another person is killed. you have to need it with lethal force. abby: teresa may did say something. the threat is greater than it's ever been when it comes to terrorism, but we need to keep living our lives. how do we practice that? every time awake up with another attack as they were walking across the london bridge commute go into a restaurant, look over your shoulder, always wondered if someone is there worse than they could possibly happen. how do we change our mind so we can live in peace? >> stop giving people a sense of security and start providing real security.

when people know they are being protected in their governments are doing what our government does in israel, one terror attack in it never happen again. israeli people demanded it. what was learned that terrorism isn't completely psychological. what needs to happen and i've been saying this a long time. the ariana grande venue, where was the security? we have to look in london in particular. europe in particular has to look at every potential target and bring the private sector the private sector and, armed them and put them in places where bags can be checked and weapons are visible in basic behavior profiling is done otherwise the feeling that things are taking care of her is never going to be there. when prime minister mae says they have to go on living our lives, that's great.

give me security. pete: aaron, there's always a kick whoever were security. there's always a point where people gather that is unsecure. as we go on the offense, we'll have to play more defense at home. a lot of people say i want to go on offense at home as well. how do you go on offense against this threat so we are not having to check every bag everywhere. >> i agree with you. the late general, you can protect every pipeline. you can't protect every civilian. you can't protect every person 24 hours a day. it's impossible. but you can affect a very high price for those who wish to attack our way of freedom and our way of thinking. and that is done through psychology. the only thing jihadist and i was in plainclothes for many years in israel working against terrorism. the only thing i can tell you

that truly works within the sphere. the only thing they are afraid of is fear and until fear becomes part of our doctrine and not the fabric of counterterror means to put terror on the terrorists. tell the terrorists put on the run, which they are not right now. trade to aaron, you are right. they respect here. we respond with flowers and teddy bears and memorials. how do we turn our society into a place where we are steely eyed, look back at the front and say we are not afraid because we are strong and tough and we will put fear in your heart. >> great question. if i was in charge of counterterror operations in london and if i would make a star rating search warrants, that's the first thing. i would be kicking down every door, anything that caused a reaction on the back of my neck which caused her to raise and

i'm talking about worn thin judges and laws. this counterterror fight is as much as about tone. the laws have to reflect the tone of the collected nationally. i would want warrants to start rating down on me so me and my agents can start putting pressure on those 20,000 potential would be jihadist. abby: aaron cohen come you know it are talking about. thank you so much. an eyewitness to the london terror attack. pete: buffers can the president trumpeted new executive travel order. the media going after him for wanting to keep americans safe. you're not going to want to miss this. ed henry explains why, next. (vo) at miracle-ear,

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yet another terror attack coming to stay once again the u.k. comes a third racing in the past few weeks. president trump issued for the troubled and to say we've got to be vigilant. >> yes, they pounce on everything president trump does. it is interesting i would note that a call to a ban. he treated us that we need to be smart, vigilant and to have. we need the courts to give us back our rights. you need the travel ban and an extra level. >> just want to be clear the white house was whatever the united states can do to help out in london in the u.k. we will be there, god bless. it is important idea showing we are there with key allies. there has been some tension after the last terror attack about intelligence sharing, leaks in the united states. the president was also directly stepping on.

the white house spent so much time telling the media it is not a band. you exaggerating this. however, may be a debate on a day when there's terror attacks. i'm just pointing that out and we should be fair and balanced about that. beyond that, whatever stripe a few moments ago was prime minister maye say we've got to change. we've got to do all these things. remarkable because think about here. the president of the united states is making those changes and trying to make more changes with this band that he was to do it in his stopped by the left. pete: that's a great thing. he's been planned for things to refinance say they need to do. >> we have to have uncomfortable conversations. abby: they don't have a choice. they are now living in a society where they are surrounded and many jihadist here that that

they would president trump as saying when it comes to the travel ban. we've got to open our eyes come to realize we live in a different world. >> that is my bigger point. it's so much better to do it from a position of strength and to be teresa may now saying we have to make major changes because we are on defense. this president has been trying to say we are going on offense and has been slammed for it every minute he's been in office and outlook what's going on. >> this all comes on the backs of the elections and the elections and they are positively campaigning today. they will resume it on monday. we also have some tweets slamming the president for his response. he immediately came out on this because people are saying he is politicizing the event. here is but someone said. this piece of blank is not an

embarrassment to america. >> is he going to comment on that? it's an unbelievable they would call the president of the united states what they did. >> if you're a journalist saying that, not only is it biased, is full of. what is going on in this country right now even with journalist saying these things about the united states is despicable. number two, not realizing the substance of what the president is saying might actually make more sense than they realize. it's the teresa may as now saying. she's on defense and is abby said there have been three attacks. abby: this is bigger than their personal bias. this is about terrorism. we can all be on the same page.

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>> the fox news alert seven people are dead in london after that horrific terror attack. one question remains what can be done to stop the targeting of innocents. >> james mitchell identified that program and author of enhanced interrogation. he joins us now. we see these images come in wake up to the reality of more terror in london to britain. the third in 10 weeks. they've got a thread in their

midst. teresa may want to have a difficult conversation about radicalism in her country. how did they do it and how did they confront it? >> the first thing they have to do is stop being politically correct. the hard truth is we know how radical violent islamist ideology is spread in mosques and other religious organizations. a spread in schools and universities and colleges. it is spread by muslim always programs that pretend they are doing outreach but in fact are spreading ideology. its prey by groups of friends in meetings, spread with contacts that people have overseas. and it is spread by relatives or extremist themselves in a spread on the internet. we know how this is done. the problem is we are unwilling because of political correctness to monitor the places we need to

monitor. we need to infiltrate those places. we have to quit pretending that islam is a religion of peace as it is practiced by the islamists. because it's not. trade for james, i'm sure you heard teresa made statements this morning after 10:30 in london when she came out with four key areas she wants to address. to root out islamic extremism by spreading western values. not sure how you do that. stop the safe haven you talk about on the internet. i don't often get google on board, isps, at&t, and the local phone companies on board. how do you do that? we have to remove safe spaces in these neighborhoods. how tough conversations. we have to review our counterterror strategy. what did she think of her speech? can she get any of that done? >> good luck with spreading western values. one of the pretenses we have is

they are just ignorant. they don't know what our values really are. the terrorist that i talk to when i was in -- interrogated for the cia around radicalization is that they understand western values. they reject them. they reject them in part because the values cannot coexist with islam as it is practiced today. they just don't coexist. what the folks have to do in order to be more secular about islam and there are some month ones who do the things they have to pretend it doesn't say what it says, pretend it is not interpreted as an open-ended command to spread sharia to the whole world and recognize that things that are in the quran

were constrained by the historical context of the person who wrote them and do not apply now. abby: mentioned political correctness. that is spot on. inhibiting eyes from really taking down the terrorists. they don't care who they kill. they mow down anyone they see. a tiny newborn baby. they would kill that if they could. what is it going to take for people to open their eyes and realize we need to move on? >> you know, we have to do two things. there are short-term things we need to do. may is correct they have to regret the networks, all that stuff they talked about, but the other thing they have to do is they have to preemptively stop this from happening by stopping the initial spread of this kind of islamic ideology.

if they don't, all we are doing is playing catch up. we are react into crimes. khalid sheikh will comment told me in a sense that our freedom of religion and our tolerance for weapons that his god has placed on her so that they could defeat us and what our religion -- our religious freedoms would do is allow them to set up the networks they need to set up because thoughts are not crimes. ideas are not crimes. interacting with people are not crimes. we have to get smarter about where the expression of religious freedom actually becomes a crime and law enforcement is to intercede. to do that, we need good surveillance and the ability to infiltrate these groups spreading radical ideology. pete: yesterday we had a commentator come on and talk about the unholy last that enabled them to do this. in london they know what the

radical mosques are in the freedoms of speech and religion, they are able to preach this on behalf of an enemy that is trying to kill the west. yet it doesn't know what it actually believes in. can they get to a point where we are revoking citizenship or status, deporting folks that are sympathetic to radical islam or i say so they clean out this problem? >> well, it has to come to that. the two options on the table is eventually allow those folks to when in a way that completely destroys the uk's national identity or ordinary people have to demand that the politicians take steps to actually protect them. if that means revoking the citizenship of people who came here -- came there under false pretenses who want to destroy the government, that is a choice they need to make in their

legislature, but certainly something that they need to be done. abby: teresa may feel enough pressure as she is an election five days from now. good to have you on. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. abby: will speak with an american living right by the london bridge about the terror last night. clayton: nigel farage will join us next. stay with us. every step of the way. with an estate plan including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. legalzoom. legal help is here.

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>> this is as we all know the third terrorist attack experienced in the last three months. a march of similar attacks to place just around the corner on westminster bridge. two weeks ago, the manchester marine was attacked by a suicide bomber and now london has been struck once more. at the same time, the security and intelligence agencies and police have disrupted five credible plot since the westminster attack in march. abby: just last hour. if you're just waking up, another terrorist attack at one of london's busiest spots about an hour ago as you just saw prime minister teresa may address in the thread. the learning thai people reportedly arrested in east london in connection to those attacks. true to that what we've been covering all morning.

the first we've covered that. the band to mull over people on the london bridge before popping out the back and front door on a stabbing spree in sites of the and pubs nearby. train for at least seven people are dead, 50 more wounded. three attackers were shot dead at the scene by police in just a few moments after this thing unfolds. >> that's an image of a soldier, someone who sees himself as a soldier. even a coward having kids, women, children. fake bombs, wielding a knife, screaming motivated by an ideology that tells him he will go to heaven during the month of ramadan if he kills innocent civilians. trade for imagine how terrorizing this has been last night. an american grad student at king's college. joseph dillon is his name and he was nearby.

thank you for joining us. what did you see last night? >> i am so shaken a period i was walking down an alley, walk past history where it all happened so many people screaming. it was terrifying. i can't even describe what happened in this you heard what i experienced. i was with a friend of mine and the police officers started ushering us so quickly and they pushed us back to the alleyway and started heading in. there were people traveling, let them into our building, kind of hunkered down and sort of waited out. it's really terrible.

i'm a master student. i've been in such a different date. >> we can hear the shaking her voice. so sorry you had to. five. now having personally gone through, how is your and how has it changed? >> every day, day in and day out out -- i'm here. can you hear me? pete: joseph, are you there? >> i am here. can you hear me? pete: you are there. we don't hear you in our ears. abby: how is your perspective changed? go ahead. >> everyday i wake up day in and day out and read about it. it is just so different. it changes your perspective. you think about the nature in

which people do these actions. all i can say is there are certain people that are less than a case study based to go out in the field and do this research. so different. pete: i don't know if you heard prime minister teresa made short time ago, if you heard her speech, one of the things she talked about was having difficult conversations. one of the things you are studying that affected the u.k. do you think britain will start to have this difficult conversations? >> or assassinate difficult conversations. britain has a unique history that dealt with the ira and they realize they can't stop all terrorism and that's one of the

things that promotes. i know that some actions have to be taken. since i studied terrorism, the best way to stop terrorism is to know the reason for it. you have to know the reason why people resort to the facts in their own individual radicalization process. unfortunately when there is an attack like this, and we don't know very much. we all know so much about their lives, were probed them to do that. i just completed an analysis of the san bernardino shooters a year after the attack. i'm just starting now to understand why. why they did this. pete: joseph, we don't however notarization they had, but we know they were yelling allahu akbar in the name of allah. do you get a sense, you've been there for a while talking to locals, do they have their arms

from the depths of the threat, and radical is on the terror problem? >> yeah. this thing is with terrorism, it's an ever present and there's no denial. they have a strategy in place. they are doing as much of the job as they can possibly do for this. it's very important that we say those things. i was very impressed. >> how quickly were you able to call your family last night and why did you say? >> i couldn't get a hold of my family right away. they were out somewhere and they don't actually have cell phones. my fathers in the 70s. i couldn't get a hold of them right away. i spoke to the rest of my family. all they can say is sending thoughts and prayers and that's

all i could really ask. abby: joseph, we are just so glad you are okay this morning. many other people awake and not feeling very shaken. we are so grateful for you to come on the show and help us better understand what happened last night. thank you for all you do. joseph dillon. pete: will the u.k. changed their tactics on terror? the former leader nigel farage joins us live to discuss next. ♪ y2bjfy yvpy we always take time getting to know you, so we can ensure you hear what matters most in your world. grandpa! (vo) call, click or come in today to learn how to start your better days. miracle-ear...hear a better day.

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that will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations, but the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism. tree into a short time ago, the prime minister teresa may seem enough is enough and former u.k. independence party leader fox news contributor nigel farage joins us this morning with more on theresa more on theresa may speech in the unfolding terrorist attack there last night. good to see you this morning. what did you think of the prime minister's speech? >> well, stronger worse than we've heard before. usually after one of these attacks we just get talk of solidarity. she did say enough is enough. i would argue strongly we should have reached that can kludge and many years ago. let's not forget, she was the home secretary, the person in charge of our homeland security for six years starting in 2010. when she says they've made

significant progress over the last few years, i think that's wrong. what we need to do today is recognized they have not stopped radicalization taking place in our schools, prisons and our mosques. i don't think you can do with a problem until first to come clean about what you got wrong. >> sure. there were a lot of factors that led to the british exit last year. one was they did not control of the refugee situation in graphics. tell us about how the borderless world lived in for so long contributes to the ability for enemy to infiltrate us and attack us. >> well, two ways really. firstly, anybody that came to europe and got a passport was free to come to. secondly, i'm afraid a lot of people have abused the word refugee women if not in genuine refugees to get into parts of

europe and i'm afraid of bad intent. thirdly, we have to recognize the british government, when they were pushed by people like that couple years ago said they would use the power to stop people would fight for example in syria from coming back into our country. over 400 known she hardy fighters from area have come back into britain and was only stopped one. so yes, you are right. free move that contributes to this, but also frankly we've been too politically correct. i hope theresa may goes a lot further than she is gone morning, recognizes mistakes of the past and says in the future not one person who spotted gary will ever be let back into her country. abby: you have the pulse of the people. you are behind us and to move them before anyone knew that would happen. we've got these elections in the

u.k. this week in what is the sense that the people in the u.k. about this threat of terror. they feel like where they are they have a handle on it. >> we are as a people very slow to anger. we are remarkably tolerant of things. but i do think, bear in mind this is our third terrorist incident that has happened in my country and the mood that i get now is we want some real action. we don't just want speeches given outside number 10 downing street. we want genuine action. if there is not action, the cause for internment will grow. we have over 3000 people on a sort of known terrorist list and we are watching and monitoring activities, but a further 20,000 people who are persons of interest, mainly links to some way to extremist organizations. unless we see the government getting tough, you'll see public call for the 3000 to be

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pete: welcome back. as with all in real-time the reaction to attacks in london last night. the big question this morning is why is europe such a magnet for radical islamic extremists and can reset the global threat.

retired army ranger sean parnell joins us live doing them. he seen the images, or the fact. seven dead, 40 injured on the london ridge. your reaction. the mac well, it's tragic. i heard theresa may statement and you know what, big deal. there have been people in this country screaming from rooftops, the exact same thing in a statement and now there have been three terrorist attacks in great britain. they are growing in frequency and be more bold. do you think that people, the parents have had children killed during the ariana grande cause i want to talk about a conversation? the time for talk and half measures are over. leaders all across europe need more time leaders right now to be thinking like commanders on the battlefield because that is what is happening. trade to at least teresa may use the word islamic extremism, shooting the enemy.

she talks about an uncomfortable conversation that will have to happen inside the muslim community. city con, the mayor of london who himself is a muslim put out a statement and did not to islamic radical terrorism. if your leaders in the muslim community are not willing to start the conversation, how is it going to happen? >> of course not. this is a guy who said terrorist attacks are part and parcel of a big city. it took six years to mention next islamic extremism. there are 20 plus thousand people in europe that sympathize with radical jihadist them. we are well beyond the point of a conversation. this is a counterinsurgency right now. the only way to combat a counterinsurgency is to move quickly. it took six years to have major global leaders recognizers say publicly the problem is radical jihadist them. we've got to catch up quickly. >> in the meantime, they criticize president term.

he treated the need for reinstating extreme bending our travel ban from folks coming from places where there's radicalization. in your mind, what steps have to happen immediately? what do they need to do to get ahead of the curve? >> militarily they need to kill the enemy. we made a patronized in afghanistan to never break contact with the enemy and the enemy got sick and tired of attacking my platoon. domestically they need to be putting the revolutionary warfare group and playing close on the street, augmented with orange u.k. police officers in plain clothes as well. this is an all hands on deck situation to combat the end keep citizens safe. i just talked to a buddy of mine that works in counterterrorism in the u.k. and he said after terrorist attacks, the only people you see walking around in the u.k. are must owns. what does that tell you about the situation?

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[inaudible] several bystanders. people were in shock. >> these attacks are not accidental. they know where the people are. >> a do absolutely everything in our power to stop -- >> london is under siege. the only way to deal with the terrorist siege is to respond with terrorism on those. >> no reason to be alarmed by this. where does say this global city in the world. >> while we've made significant process, there is to be trained far too much tolerance. we cannot and must not mistake things can continue the way they are. abby: good morning.

we are all waking up quite somber. clayton morris, pete hegseth. the investigation developing by the moment. five people arrested by police in east london possibly in connection to those attacks. >> the dragnet despite after three jihadist mow down dozens of people at this man. you can see one of the terrorists laying on the ground right before going on a stabbing spree in a nearby market. >> those terrorists who see themselves as soldiers of allah shot dead by police, not before killings of innocent civilians in 10 in 48 others to hospitals, many of whom this morning right now are in critical condition. here to react as well as commentary from british politicians as they come in her panel, farmers may intelligence officer, lieutenant colonel michael laws and the founder of the american islamic forum,

dr. ziggy chasse there. and andrew p., former intelligence officer as well. thank you for being with us. lieutenant colonel, i'll start with you, we had to wander for theresa may spoke. do you feel like those words are sufficient and will they be followed by action? >> well, as somebody pointed out, we've been down this path before. the question becomes is she really serious. we need to pull away and look back at this from the perspective of how can we could learn from this saturday. president of it. president trump has a number of actions to help us as it occurs. i want george patton, the best defense is a good offense. we've seen attacks here. we've not seen these types of attacks that, but it is in our interest to allow president trump to have members like us who are experts in this area start looking at lessons, figuring on a path forward. as john kelly, secretary of homeland security said if we

know everything he knows, we wouldn't want to leave the house. the ideas we want to continue to leave the house to make it on the offensive and prevent the networks we see springing up in england based on things that happened in the continental part of europe. we need to stop that from happening here. pete: i couldn't help notice the disconnect between the mayor of london and theresa may, the prime minister of the u.k. she says islamic extremism, one of the first thing she mentioned in her four-part plan to get rid of his tonic extremism in the u.k. saying this is one of the safest cities in the world. did you see it? >> absolutely. many of us who have been touting what his approach would be look to moments like this to see whether he will distance himself from islamism which is the nonviolent underbelly of all of these radicalization. before he became mayor he defended islamists that he

deliberately believes in, women's rights, et cetera. now in this country is at a point of war, he continues to be in denial. those -- don't give prime minister may bypass. we will get tough on extremism. how do you define extremism, prime minister? it is islamism, political islam. they been working with the long muslim herbs even the soft but yet somewhat direct program to prevent was minimized and lambasted by islamist groups in britain and in order to the reformist groups and marginalized in. that's why we have the situation may have. abby: we had nigel farage, a few moments ago, the leader of the brexit. we've heard from theresa may, last night from president trump and more and more from world leaders that we need to all work

together including the muslim community. they've got to step out. how much of their own politics are in our ability to be as strong as we can on the world stage fighting terror? >> i think it's a great and theresa may is finally going to take a tougher stance whether some extremist and for how they approach counterterrorism. their counterterrorism laws writ large. but we can only play defense along. what you have to look at it some more offensive approach. the british sas have british nationalists on their hit list that are training in iraq in syria as we speak. we need to celebrate our efforts in iraq and most low. -- muzzle. we can't just let the sanctuaries migrate back to afghanistan or the places. we have to keep our foot on the neck of the leadership of these groups and then we have to take a broader approach.

at the end of the day we will see these attacks can change unless we take a broader approach to countering the ideology of islamic extremism. >> such a great point. the longer the caliphate exists, the more motivation for extremes. in order to go on the offense until of the u.k. has a terror problem. you don't want to play defense of police. you got to go on the offense. you have to have human intelligence. how do they go into the space races, no go zones, mosques, madrassas for a faster and get the intel to get rid of these guys? >> the most important intelligence in this counterterrorism situation is human intelligence. people who know the bombers come attackers, know when they are acting weird. the trouble is to have to miss this with monitoring communication. those two things don't fit well with each other because for human intelligence you need to

engage with local muslim communities who will often push back against this sort of surveillance effort the new york police department and others in the united states have had a lot of success with in the years after 9/11. pete: colonel schaefer, we heard nigel farage they weren't thought of this guy, going after the 2,003,000 people who are currently on a terror watch list. that doesn't address the other 22,000 that live in separate communities, no go zones. what do you think should happen? local authorities be doing with the dragnet approach to this? >> they've been engaging with the wrong groups. i was chatting with my british muslim friends. one of than the association for muslims in 1889 who have been fighting this behind the scenes to prevent the radicalism. they've been pushed aside by the other more radical groups. they got to deal with those who want to help. we need to work with those folks who want to prevent these sorts

of attacks. i was in london a few months ago as part of the discussion of how we do defense together and we need to work with the british come hand in glove looking at how we can learn and work with special operations forces. we have to do the same thing you're eventually to use our own special operations forces to prevent these guys doing what they did there. we have to do this it is severe, directed persistent matter until these people go away. we cannot allow what happened in one in paris to come here. by doing that we have to help them stop what's going on there. abby: sam, we had a guest on earlier said ticket with these terrorists you need to put them into your. are they waking up this morning feeling like they are winning this morning? >> dr. jasser, you answer that

one as well. >> absolute need. and the act is unsuccessful or successful as it may be too then as a recruitment tool that we are on the defense rather than them on the defense. will we do in iraq is part of why they feel squeezed right now. our friends also include your streets of london and america. we have to put them on the defense and that includes changing the narrative from being apologetic about victimization, stopping the blasphemy laws of the non-dense concept of islamic phobia. that is why we work with the wrong groups. we are so apologetic and on the defense. we need to be on the offense. there are reports by the of muslim police officers who are moderate, don't where he job and want to work with the muslim community were marginalized because of the close of groups like the muslim council of reformers and modernists of

working twos campout the precursors of radicalization. pete: colonel, we are here in manhattan. forecastle wake up and see what's happened in london. this could happen here. are we doing enough to be proactive in this war that's being waged this by islamist. >> flow, we prevent another 9/11 style attack. that's been the focus over the last decade. the smaller self radicalized attacks are incredibly difficult. i would not be surprised to see what happened like sam or did you know another's. that's why he's big in the job that we have to go after the ideology dr. jasser just sad. in president trump speech in saudi arabia was a great start, where he essentially put his finger in the chest of muslim majority government and said they have to start tackling from within. not only the ideology but going

after these groups in their own right. trade to andrew come as far as pfizer and afghanistan, we know that the surge worked. we know that these pinprick attacks by jihadist started to stop as a result of the surge. what would a search look like in this regard? >> i think he saw little bit of that after the manchester attack of the british government put the army on the street to soft target that looks vulnerable. also, it is important to point out in afghanistan the surge didn't really work. the violence it down for a time but then the troops came home and there is still an extremist problem there. conservation of resources and determination is the fight for the long haul is the most thing. we need to look at what we are spending in how we are prepared to do that for the long run. >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. a lot of expertise. the truth review really appreciate that.

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the pavement near london bridge and mode down a number of innocent folks just walk in home enjoy the evening last night. pete: one of those folks joining us by the phone. scott alexander, british masters student was 15 meters or so from where the attack happened. i can only imagine how everyone is feeling shaken this morning to tell us what you saw last night. >> yes, my friend were walking down a way for what happened. onto the main street. then we turned around and everyone is not walking normally. we ran down the street in a panic and turned around to get back to safety. that's when i saw police running down the street.

as we arrived, police woman ran around the corner screaming. clayton: scott, we are looking at live images of the crime scene. some are saying why call it a crime scene? this is a war zone. this is an assault i'll attack on the british people. how does it feel to you? like a crime was committed or a war zone last night? >> the incident happened in and we saw the tail end, the gunshot. as it was unfolding, time and time the police around the area. in the courtyard screaming. for my bedroom window i could see the main street. every single engine full of police cars.

they continued to push them back. originally it was just the bad and turned edge of the street pushing back into the courtyard. clayton: scott, we heard people were jumping off the london bridge to save themselves that the van was coming down. did you wait is that? people coming into the london underground, did you witness that? >> no, but what i did see an adult think i'll ever forget a moment like that, the pandemonium. everyone was talking normally and then had gunshot. train for the mayor of london said this is one of the safest cities in the world and everyone should carry on. do you feel that way this morning? >> i think when these things happen you just have to keep going. but the manchester bombing recently as well, i do

definitely feel safe, but to have that super close to where i live. abby: scott, this is the third attack the u.k. experienced in the last 10 weeks alone. is the year since people are feeling on edge where you are. do you see more of a presence on the streets with the least officers? have you sent me change? >> like i said, i've never seen so many numbers as there are now. the two stations as well. i can just imagine now. abby: scott, we're glad you're safe this morning. thank you for calling. trade for english masters student in london. trade her next guest says we need to do for eggs to stop the spread of radical islam. general jack keane assigned back

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meanwhile, over here in america you see president trump jumping on this for the last couple of moment he has been tweeting several times overnight. the latest one says we must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for people. if we don't get smart, it will only get worse. interesting because he said we need to be smart, vigilant in town, get back our rights, the travel ban as an extra level of safety. he also treated support as well for the british people and governments in the u.s. will do all we can. the broader point is this president is dealing from a position of strength. he's been on offense and stay one, faced nothing but a non-lot of criticism in the united states and around the world with this idea that these rogue, politically incorrect. meanwhile you have theresa may

saint maybe without saying it directly with president trump has been saying is right because she's dealing from a position where she's a defensive posture. she has an election on thursday where she has to face the british people. three terror attacks in the last several weeks. pete: historically, she ran the homeland security department in the u.k. for six years. where have you bad and why haven't you had these uncomfortable conversations you talk about this morning. why now? there's has been terror attacks. it's fascinating when you look at the criticism this president is giving. the president is a piece of bleep because basically retreated one we just mentioned about the travel ban. just save the file thinks about the president of the united states. the journalist can you see a breaker come of this gentleman,

this person works for cnn and if a host on the sunday show. abby: this piece of leaf is not just an embarrassment to america and estate on the presidency, he is an embarrassment to humankind. unbelievable. the outrage would be fierce and yet you are not hearing criticism about this. people are not focusing on the facts. they are focused on their own personal biases. look at what is happening right now. >> one of the things theresa may talks about cover the 18 to four-point plan. jack keane, retired four-star general and vice chief of staff of the u.s. army and who also has a plan. great to have you here on the show. you heard teresa made earlier. was it strong enough? how much are playing it for for what you heard this morning? >> with? >> was then covered the issue at the strategic level has been something she is trying to get back here and has been a fundamental lack of political

will and moral courage of european leaders of the world that frankly her previous president for eight years because they've never faced up to the scale of the problem and what it truly is. radical islam has morphed into a global jihad averaging about 30,000 kilos a year to 3005 or six years ago. the number of countries involved have tripled while these leaders have minimized the problem. the reality is radical islamists of is at war with civilization and world order as we know it. but these feckless leaders are not at war with a face. that is the harsh reality of it. abby: what is the problem? we heard about political correctness in the way. we talked for the early days when he first started running for president and now it seems like teresa made other leaders to recognize that it's not about political correctness. being a leader in fighting to

terrorism. >> you have to start with what you are responsible for first domestic security at the road people. this is an ideological struggle that will last at least half of the century we deal with in the 21st century. educate them on this ideology, the belief system. what is its tourist takes? isolated in terms of the ideologies steeped in separated from mainstream islam which is a god. loyal americans, loyal french people. how that conversation. secondly, after you have the conversation, tell them what you're going to do about it, weren't you need their cooperation. you got to go into these bona fide safe haven to get your question about political correctness coming in a these neighborhoods are tens of thousands of sympathizers, hundreds of fighters willing to die and you got to have aggressive policing. at the same time penetrate and intelligence wise like we did

with the mafia. at the same time, you have to recognize you offer them alternative ideology. you got rejected and explain the religious leaders, community leaders have to be given the courage to stand up and fight for the correct belief system. when may talks about an honest conversation, she's got to tell why unemployment in manchester is 12.8% and of the country is only five. why is unemployment and the no go zones in france and elgin 25% to 30%. these kids can't get into mainstream education, can't get jobs come and check it out into larger society of france, belgium and the lead as they do in the united states. let me finish. you finish. you asked me what i'm thinking. i'm going to tell you. the third thing is these policies of multiculturalism borders that mass immigration are failed. they've got to be reversed.

the last thing i'll tell you a safe haven, when they are established and the radical islamists take territory of the own it they do that quds motivation for others to conduct attacks. the safe haven must be destroyed with a sense of urgency and passion are the safe haven in syria was formed in 2012. we put our priority on iraq. it was always a safe haven in syria. it still exists today. five years later from that safe haven they have been provided motivation, direction, inspiration around the world and we still let it we still love that exists. it should've been crushed by 2015. what a military force boots on the ground area nations involved, u.s. combat troops. abby: let's hope the feckless

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they are bound together by the single evil ideology of islamist extremism that preaches hatred, division and promote sectarianism. is an ideology that claims our western values and freedom, democracy and human rights incompatible with the religion of islam. pete: let's bring in katie hopkins, global columnist for the daily mail.com to get her take of the prime minister's speech a short time ago to the people of. nice to see you. how do you figure speech resonated question or do you think you hit it hit the mark were did it miss? >> it miss the mark. the relieved, i was doing she did it come out in a -- we stand united. lisbon is the safest city on the planet that we carry on as normal. he is still say the same old

stuff even as the london ridge has fallen down on his watch. at least theresa may came out in that enough is enough. but she hasn't done, what she did do is tell us what we need to hear. that if things are going to change completely, that tomorrow 3000 people on the watchlist are going to be rounded up. we need to hear 650 g hotties to return to the u.k. are going to be incarcerated and deported and we need to hear the saudi backed mosques and extreme hate preachers are also going to be shut down and deported. that is the regular british people want to hear and what i want to hear that it is not enough to say we will win again terror because this is terror losing come of it to reduce meaningless. this is horrible. >> you are right.

transfixed did speak as usual. we did have a comfortable in nursing conversations because third too much tolerance. if the mayor of london, a muslim himself is uncomfortable start of the conversation, how's it going to start? >> not going to start. we need much more than uncomfortable conversations. we were told a few days ago by the head of the u.k. anti-terrorism unit, we've rounded up individuals responsible. go out and enjoy yourselves. last night that's what people were doing. they're out at restaurants, out in bars. the men from new zealand was stabbed in the face and is now in a coma. only the headers load a trade throw/good we were sworn in on the koran.

will not call the sick islamic extremism. he will be honest about the problem we face. until you can be honest you have no hope of dealing with it. i could tell you people are forlorn. we are broken. regular families firefly that we are broken or. it's time for british people to stand up and demand action. >> we've got to get over the political correctness. we heard that from president trump a few moments ago. we had you want to show friday talking about climate change. we thought we would make up and that is the focus that for many people is the number one issue. here we are once again we cannot too horrific terror attack. >> it's unbelievable. for as climate change its way, way down the back of the? trent did the right thing to show true leadership in exposing the agreement for the fraud it was. for most of us today it's about calling your loved one, checking the save.

i've had text for my parents asked me to stay under one day today. texts are my own children asking when i'll be old and conversations from a lot of people talking with partners about how to get out of london. so contrary to the message you that this is a safe city, safe country, that is not how people here feel. they fear for their lives come to fear for their children's lives that we have to step up and we need to start incarcerated, deported, repeated until we clear the country had veered >> talk about the nuts and bolts of this. nigel farage bring up the word permit, japanese internment camps. mention the deportation of rounded up mass incarceration. what would that look like? do you think the british government would actually do that? >> i don't think they've got the stomach to do that or the political will to do that.

i also see how they panders so relentlessly to the preachers who are on the wrong side of this argument. people who are against the present strategy for counterterrorism. people like kay to speak out in defense of islam and how great it is. islamic preachers to speak out about what we need to be worried about. we do need turn that can. before the idea that this gets more people. that's not the solution. we've got beyond the tipping point. this country cannot take another attack. what we actually need is for theresa may when she walked out of number 10 was never again. that's the words we need to hear because i tell you even liberal left individuals are e-mailing me to say i can't tell my friends that we've got this chronically rob. i don't know what we'll do about this country.

it's a really upsetting state of affairs. >> he treated his support. we stand with you as well. thank you for your commentary. abby: katie, good to have you with us. pete: coming up on the show, how do we change the mind of troubled extremists? you heard about the unemployment numbers of the youth of the extremist communities. a forward jihadists has a plan. you will hear from him next.

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nice to see you this morning. this dragnet we understand an additional five people this morning. take us behind the scenes of what that would look like. what are they looking for today question back >> now they go out and do what they should've been doing prior to the attack and run down all the associates connected with this attack. everybody who might've been in a support capacity. they are running as fast as they can to try to stop the next attack before it gets off the ground. trade to bring up such a great point. they should have been doing this before. especially after we saw at the sunday concert a small time ago that a terror watch list. to renounce these individuals were on that list? >> no, i don't think we do. this is the crux of the issue. the answer is not wait until people are dead and go out and try to clean up afterward. it is to get these guys off the street before they have a chance to attack.

but really up to terrify people is ever since manchester they turn that country upside down and still they somehow missed this entire attack. >> they not moved yet to the reality that these jihadists are at war with them. the laws on the books to give them the ability to round up to 3000, deport them, revoke citizenship. they're giving the capabilities to do so. >> the same as it is here, there may be specific legislation that needs to be enacted. the real problem is political will. the real problem missing go out, read the source, identify these guys. take them off the street. if these three guys who are apprehended before the attack coming on as i appeared at a reasonable size s.w.a.t team would take them down a heart beat. the chorus intelligence to illegal acts before they do it.

>> secretary kelly and he said an attack like this is right around the corner and they still aviation. but more do we need to do in the u.s. has received these attacks overseas? >> the key to this whole war is intelligence. and nurses at identifying attacks before they materialize. you can't sit back at your heels away for it to happen. and from those sources. lots of guys have run sources like that. it is not an doable. you've got to have someone say go out and collect the information. that's what we need to be doing. pete: what is the balance? some cd to a gauge, make sure they feel comfortable companies surveillance. you need trust at some level to gain relationships and intelligence. i learned that in iraq as a platoon leader working with

muslims that want to give up al qaeda. you've got to have a strong hand as well. what is that balance? >> i don't think it's an either/or proposition . if you have sources that collected relative to that community, you need the trust of the vast majority of the people who are not involved in terrorist activity. that's what you do. you reach out incorporate them into the effort. abby: sam, i'm curious, do you think of travel ban president trump called it last night that says this is a reason why we have to have a travel ban in place. how helpful would that be if we were to put that in place? >> there is no question in my mind that we need to do a much better job of screening people coming into this country and have a better idea who they are. the sad reality is a lot of the folks we talk about board of the countries they are carrying out attacks. they are getting on the plane. they are recruited and

radicalizing people that were natural born americans. the >> and there's no assimilation you have an allegiance problem. >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. the concert in order to raise money and awareness for the terms in manchester taking place tonight. thousands of people of the city for that and the word is out that content will continue. they are asking people not to bring bags if they can. people are already lining up that there will be additional security. thousands of people descending on the city. abby:.so we do. we keep living. we keep living our lives. we don't stop it live in fear. there are intelligence officials that we forget that. trade to president trump sending out another tweet. we will bring that to you next week her back.

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abby: president trump tweeting away here. he says, do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now. that is because they you'd i've set a trap. pete: just before that compass of the dead and 40 wounded. there is no reason to be allied. the treat was about how we need to stop political correctness. the president on top of those followed it in real time. reacted like all of us are. >> no reason to be alarmed. is walking down the street come

to think the street, thinking if i'd only been here a few moments ago, this would've been be crushed by the track and ran over people of london ridge. people in these bars watching these guys run in with nine started to slashed the throats of people sitting there. they were splashing throats, which they believed the carotid tells them to do. >> during the month of ramadan is the holiest month of the year. that is when they feel like to get extra rewards in heaven from allah if they killed the month of robin on. it's been a deadly 10 weeks. abby: we had katie hawkins on. she's up in arms. she's angry about this because we've heard a very different tone from theresa may stated faith in the u.k. she said people are naturally been in fear. this is not the way anyone should have to live.

>> as we talked to u.k. commentators, she was in charge of homeland security for log time. can't make it right of political correctness and showed the political will. he'll take well to do a tough uncomfortable things the u.k. has to do to get at the threat their midst. >> soft targets, the ariana grande concert. tonight is another concert remembered that it comes than the previous concert. so you have tens of thousands of people right now pouring into the cricket arena camped out overnight. people interviewed in sleepy bear. saying we are not going to live in fear. i guess security there has really stepped up all across the city. go to a concert but it's a totally different environment. abby: we still need to liberalize. my mom called the other night. my sister was going to a concert in d.c. i said i don't want her to go. i'm nervous because you never know what's going to happen. they are soft targets.

>> you are not nervous if you feel like your political leaders are serious, which is what the u.s. has. we will continue covering this all morning. we're going to take a quick break. terrorism in london on the london rage. we are covering all angles. abby: we will be right back.

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>> all eyes on london this morning after another deadly terrorist attack there. at least seven people dead. another 50 others injured. >> the first terrorist attack which we have experienced in the last three months. >> i was taking pictures of the bridge, i heard a loud noise behind me and turned around to see the white van crashed into the guardrail, and it was continuing to go down the guardrail hiding pedestrians. everyone was standing in shock as to what happened.

directly afterwards, several bystanders had gotten hit. people were mainly this shock. terrorism is not what you expect to happen. >> this is -- >> we will be doing absolutely everything in our power to try to stop such horrendous attacks as this. >> london is under siege. the only way to deal with a terrorist siege is to respond with terrorism on those. >> no reason to alarm like this. we are the safest global city in the world. >> there is far too much tolerance in our country. we cannot and must not pretend let things continue as they are. >> wow. welcome to fox and friends. the western world again wakes up to the reality of terrorism

on the streets of london. >> yeah. another terrorist attack striking at the heart of london. three jihaddists using a van to mow down dozens of people on london bridge last night. abby: yeah, and then they abandoned that van, they went on a stabbing spree in several near did i birestaurants. they were shot down by police but not before killing 7 people. they were reportedly wearing fake bomb vests of course to cause confusion. >> look at that video right now. that's one of the jihaddists who believes himself to be a soldier of allah of islam, wielding a knife slitting is throats after running people down with a truck. there's also reports of five people arrested during the show. we've been reporting that counterterrorism raids have been running across london. fox news is looking to confirm those numbers. >> and we're also getting reports of people walking home and this is a normal course of action to walk across london bridge.

joining us live is an american tourist. he was there and watched as the terrorists mode their van onto london bridge. brad, thank you for joining us this morning. what did you see last night? >> well, i was taking photos on the london bridge about halfway down of the tower bridge, which is actually the more picturesque bridge that you're going to want to take pictures of. it was about 10:00 p.m. i was doing this. i wanted to carry on towards the tower bridge a little further. there's a river walk there. so i walked the north side of the bridge and walked down two flights of stairs. went to the tents and began the river walk. not one minute later, they -- i heard a sound behind me. so i turned around and saw a van beginning to go on the pedestrians walkway that i had just been on just a few minutes prior. >> sorry to interrupt you but that photo we just showed a few minutes ago was a selfie that you had just taken; right? explain this photo that we're looking at here. abby: just moments before that attack happened, brad.

>> right. it was -- it's really crazy to think about just right there. it was very peaceful. it had rained a little earlier in the night, but it cleared off and is pretty nice. a little cool. so not too many people walking around. i would estimate around 20 or so on the bridge. and just -- it's crazy to think that i was right there. >> what point did you realize it was a terror attack? >> well, i immediately -- that was my first thought considering it is, you know, the summer months during ramadan, it's very possible that, you know, i was always on alert that it could happen. we had a string of them very recently. so i turned around, it actually reminded me on the attack on nice was the first thing in my mind. but everyone was in absolute shock. >> brad, if you would describe the police response. apparently the attack from start to finish lasted about eight minutes.

what did you see from law enforcement and the reaction to people? >> yes. about -- when i went back up the stairs, waited about two or three minutes before the police came in. i'm assuming they were stationed relatively close. they weren't on the bridge before or patrolling or anything, but they came roaring through. >> we also heard reports were jumping off the bridge in order to save themselves. >> yes. i saw at least one person jumping off the bridge. abby: brad, when were you able to tell your loved ones that you were okay? >> i called them very close, immediately when i could see the police coming through, it was best to leave the area for everyone's safety. and now knowing what did happen on the south side and thank god that i was able to do that. so jumped in a cab, called

home, and was able to get safely back to my hotel. thank god. >> they're able to see you live this morning. thank you so much, brad. we appreciate you joining us. we want to bring in mark steyn this morning. thanks, brad, journalist and author. we were talking during the commercial break, this is not new. you're not surprised. abby: you've been talking about this for years, mark. >> yeah. and the problem is that it's not a native problem to europe, this problem was imported. so the first thing you have to do is stop importing it. and the reality is in britain and europe, more people working with this ideology and a smaller percentage who want to do what these guys did yesterday, arrive at the at the airports. so the first thing someone like teresa may needs to stop do is stop importing more of it. >> you wrote about how the most prominent boy's name a newborn boy in london three

times over is muhammad. >> not just london in england and whales. and people say, oh, well, if you have muhammad with an o and muhammad with a u. no, this is the biggest source of population growth down the spine of the united kingdom. and every major british city, birmingham, liverpool, bristol, all the way to london. and the problem for britain and europe is that there are people who agree with. they want the flag flying over buckingham palace. they think that homosexuals should be executed. they believe that women should be covered from head -- you can agree with all of that and as teresa may sees it still be a perfectly functioning respectable citizen of modern western society.

abby: well, we heard from teresa may, the uk prime minister, probably the strongest we've heard her on terrorism. of course you have the election coming up in a few days. but she talked about political correctness and said there's too much tolerance when it comes to extremism. take a look at what she said. >> while we have made significant progress in recent years, there is to be frank far too much tolerance of extremism in our country. so we need to become far more robust in identifying it and standing it out across the public sector and across society. that will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations. but the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism. >> have they made significant progress? >> i think the use of that word extremism, that's embarrassing, mrs. may. that's a ridiculous term for it. the pop star from manchester last week said, well, what do you mean an extremist?

an extremist what? an extremist bunny rabbit? there is no problem about identifying irish republicanism for what it is. you can't deal with an enemy unless you identify the enemy. and that was a much smaller problem between, you know, people who are have a lot more in common than we do with those guys last night. >> so how do you stop it? naming it is one thing, of course. but getting in there, we talk about the unemployment rate. they're desperate; right? >> these young boys are desperate -- >> no. they're not desperate. i disagree with the general on that. if you look at manchester, there's a high unemployment rate because you don't have to work. the guy who pulled off the ariana grande thing, he used his student loans from british taxpayers to fly to libya and train to become a terrorist. so he blew up -- he blew apart all those young girls on the british taxpayer's dime.

>> so if it's not money then, what is it? >> it's ideology; right? >> it is ideology. >> but they're looking for something, and they find it in that, i guess is the question. >> yeah. because there's a big hole in the heart. what's fascinating to me is not the guy who comes from libya a couple of years ago. people born and bred in these western nations -- abby: that are already there. >> and they feel nothing for the country they're supposedly citizen in. because they're taught that their countries are racist, imperialists, colonialists, they're responsible for all the baddisms in the world. and the british political class, jeremy corbin, who is the leader of her majesty loyal position, to be totally laughable about it also believes that it is colonialist. >> last night we were talking about climate change, our whole tower here lit up in green. when i drive in this morning,

the freedom tower not lit up that way. how do our leaders come to the fact that climate change is not the greatest threat we face, it's terrorism. >> i'm not worried about sea levels in 2100, because those islands are sunny, and they'll be for a living paris in 2100, so you can worry about that as an illusion. when there's no reason for people to be alarmed. not for seven dead people. for not dozens injured. but you look at the hundreds and thousands, the policet of control. get out. get out. get out. that's not how a british talks or used to talk. having to walk up with your arms up in the an anesthesia not mistaken for a terrorist and get shot, this is life in london in the second decade of the 21st century and when sadiq says there's no reason to be alarmed, he should be out of a problem.

>> he's the mayor of london. and we heard from teresa may earlier this morning. she laid out four different points, but she wanted to address one of which was spreading western ideology. trying to get into the hearts. you mentioned these guys have holes in their hearts. they don't have a strong sense of purpose for western ideology. how do you fill that vacuum? >> well, i -- they always -- "we" we will never surrender our values and never say what they are. >> what are their values? >> i know. so the values are, like, tomorrow, and i disagree with abby here with respect to -- i think this pop concert is ridiculous. i think this idea that you get ariana grande and justin bieber and katy perry and everyone holds hands and says all you need is love -- abby: my point, mark, is that you need to keep living. you need to not live in fear. you need to do the things you would normally do. this concert was already planned and if you cancel that, that's changing your lives in what the terrorist did. >> no. but you also have to give people a sense that they

are a part -- i'm not ashamed to say it. western civilization is the greatest civilization inheritance on this planet. we have eight centuries of great stuff since magna carta, we've got shakespeare, mozart, we've got katy perry, we've got all the good stuff. and the idea that somehow we're ashamed of it, and it is that. it's for two generations now -- and that's true here in the united states too. is if you raise people to be ashamed of their civilizational inheritance, some will seek new beliefs like climate change. but others will seek what these lunatics -- >> and still that sense of purpose that you're looking for. >> i do love that you held up katy perry in the same light as mozart, by the way. >> you ought to take that one back. >> thank you very much for your analysis as always, mark. so how do we defeat the radical islam and extremists?

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the prime minister, the spokesperson for the uk government ms. may said, look, they are dealing with a big problem. i mean, there are more than enough. i think your former guest said there are plenty of fifth column islamist supremacists who are working every day to confound counterterrorism efforts. >> we've had you on the problem once before mention that fifth column idea. explain that for the audience a little bit. >> it means you're talking about a group of muslim supremacists who have no loyalty to the uk, have loyalty or sympathy or outright support for those that are against the uk, believe in ideologies of separationism, of the british society is nonmuslim. we can never have any kind of loyalty to it. we can rob them, steal from them, welfare fraud, you name

it. >> and a lot of them are already living in places like europe and here in the u.s. it's not about them flying here from the middle east as mark steyn just said. we're talking about second generation that they don't have the sense of identity, and that's where they find it by becoming a terrorist. how do we impact them? how do we figure out that part of the problem? how do we make sure that these people don't turn into that? >> well, we need to stay away from the narrative that they feed off of. so, for example, one of the things isis wants is for people to make this a war on islam. and we should not do their work for them. you know, that's just one side of it. but there's an ideology that underpins all of this that needs to be directly engaged and confronted. you cannot have muslims living in these countries that give muslims so many rights and then effectively, you know, work against that same government. that can't -- that's not acceptable.

>> well, as a former jihadist. i mean, the question that's top of my mind this morning, teresa may was the first point she made, we need to change the hearts and minds and, you know, push western ideology on them so that they don't turn on this. as a former jihadist yourself, what changed your heart and how can we change the hearts of them? >> yeah. i mean, for me, look, it was in the mid-'90s i had met the taliban and '98. i went to study and realized that, look, terrorism saff crime in islam. we should never equate terrorists and islam because we're validating the world view, and that's the last thing we need to do. we need to oppose them, counter them, de-legitimatize them every step of the way. >> and educate them. good to have you with us.

>> thank you. >> until they take student loans and use them to fly to libya. coming up, we must stop being politically correct. how will the president respond? david bossie is here next. stay close horseheadswivellychair.com it could be the next big thing i should totally get that domain name... get your great idea online too... get your domain today, and get... ...a free trial of gocentral from godaddy we always take time getting to know you, so we can ensure you hear what matters most in your world. grandpa! (vo) call, click or come in today to learn how to start your better days. miracle-ear...hear a better day.

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abby: we're back with a fox news alert. terror striking london once again and just moments ago the president saying we must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for our people. if we do not get smart, it will only get worse. >> here to react former deputy campaign manager for donald trump and fox news contributor, david bossie. david, good to see you this morning. some of the left outraged this morning at the president's

tweet last night and thinking that he got political talking about the travel ban and other things. how do you see it? >> well, the president of the united states cares deeply about the victims in london, obviously. but the president of the united states got elected to be elected here first and abroad second. and he is saying in reaction to what happened in london, it can happen again. we are one year today coming up on the terrible left shoulder attack and that's in the president's mind. and i think the president is trying to acknowledge that we can't have our heads in the sand. we must, we must have vigilance by the supreme court, by these politicized justices below them, these obama judges in the ninth circuit. you know, we have a lot of things -- a lot of

problems today that the president needs to address and his hands are tied. >> yeah. we're not just hearing that from president trump. we're hearing a similar message really the first time from teresa may this morning. i'm sure you heard her remarks a few hours ago that the threat of terror has never been greater and that we need to change the way that we're acting, the way that we're talking about it, the way that we're approaching it. i mean, similar from what we've heard from president trump a long time now. >> that's absolutely right. president trump is bleeding on this issue, and he has for years even before he got elected, and that's why he got elected. the american people are tired of the broken status quo. we need security at home and abroad. and that is one thing that president obama did not do and that president trump is going to do. >> david, as we talk, we've got on going real time raids happening in london.

so so far raids are on going. i guess 12 have been detained in london. that number could continue to go up. so we're following this in realtime, david as we talk to you. you've been around the president and the candidate when these big types of events happen. how does president trump react personally we see his tweets come out, we need to protect london and need the travel ban. but how does he react? >> he is a human being just like the rest of us. so he is first and foremost, you know, he is reacting for the people who are harmed and hopefully getting great treatment by those first responders and then he appreciates the first responders. as you can see, he's always somebody that looks out because it is incredibly difficult as everyone is running away to go towards the sound of the expressions and the gunfire. and that's what the london police, the london fire rescue are doing. or what they did. and they do it all the time. and this is not the first time. it just happened in manchester as we all know last month.

so these things now are becoming commonplace. if i was in the white house, i would be talking to the president today about going to walk on london bridge and figuring out how after the election this coming thursday, how he could show solidarity with england and go over there and to show we're not afraid. the other thing we can do is hold those at guantanamo bay accountable and all the other terrorists immediately. president trump complained on getting those -- getting justice for this families killed by these terrorists that are helping guantanamo. i think we can step that up because it's one thing that those terrorists understand, and that's power. >> david, on the left-hand side of our screen, we're watching these raids unfold. it looks like the apartment complex cordoned off here that they've done five different raids this hour, 12 people now

arrested separately from these raids over the past 24 hours. i can't help but thinking, this seems reactive; right? we've heard another guest this morning. it's reactive. sadly why wasn't this happening before? >> these are reactive operations, and they need to be done. but we need to give the police the intelligence communities, the tools, the power that they need in order to stop these events from happening before they happen. and that's one of the things that president trump is going to be going to the supreme court for is that his right as president of the united states to order a travel ban. that's a very basic safety measure that the president wants. it's just one measure of many. but it's one that he needs, and he needs to have it back,bed being politicized by these democrats who are really responsible for these future attacks. if these people get in here based on us not being able to secure our borders. >> yeah. at some point this is all above politics.

we've got to get that. but also, the muslim community stepping up, someone we've heard when the president spoke in saudi arabia today our nations but also something we heard this morning from teresa may. i mean, clearly this is becoming a world focal point we need the muslim community to do their part. >> i agree with that. but we've been listening to that line since 2001. when 3,000 americans were killed on 9/11, we've heard nothing but the muslim community must step up and help with this cause. and now we are 16 years on, and we have not seen that reaction, that result. >> and, david, it matters when, you know, you're in the middle of it and when the muslim mayor of london won't take an advantage of a moment like this to step up and say we cleanup our community, that's when people start to shake their head and get frustrated. >> i know i am. as an american i am.

as an american, i want president trump to succeed. for the first time in eight years, he has made fighting terrorism a priority in america and around the world, so he's taking the fight abroad, and he's making sure that we don't have that fight here on our shores. and that's why he needs the power to be able to have this travel ban. it's common sense. abby: we should want him to succeed for the benefit of this country, for the good of this country. david bottom is would he be always good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up, some claim britain has become against extremism. >> up next, brexit leader nigel farage, he's here to react to that. >> plus, how can we protect ourselves here at home from the next terror attack? former detective dan joins us le

. >> breaking right now, 12 people arrested and antiterror raids in connection with to last night's terror attack. this is a live look right there in east london where more raids are happening right now. >> yeah. they have the whole apartment area cordoned off right now going -- it looks like apartment to apartment. we're also learning that at least two police officers were hurt trying to stop the three attackers last night. this as the mayor of london calls his city one of the safest cities in the world.

>> i'm appalled and furious that these would target innocent bystanders enjoying their night. i'm quite clear we will never let them win nor cower our city. people should remain calm and vigilant, carry on their normal business. reassured that we are one of the safest global cities in the world, if not the say ofest global city in the world. >> here to react to that claim is nigel farage, former uk independent party leader and fox news contributor. you heard the mayor's comment. he says it's safe. he didn't mention radical islam, what do you make on his take? >> what i would like to hear as the first muslim mayor of london, i'm going to do all i can to work with the muslim community to drive out the

extremist preachers from our mosques. to do all we can to stop radicalization happening in schools and happening in prisons. and i didn't hear a single word of that. >> yeah. we had president trump tweeting this morning and one of them was about political correctness saying that is a huge problem. we have got to get over that. we've got to move on. we have got to open our eyes, basically. how much of that is the problem of this political correctness? >> look, we can talk about terrorism but please don't forget what happens to all those young under age girls in our big, northern cities. molested, raped on an industrial scale. and yet, we did nothing about it for fear of causing offense. for fear of being thought to be racist with a particular part of the muslim community. so i'm afraid we have been absolutely high bount in this country by political correctness, and i'm afraid that one of those people who simply hasn't done enough is

teresa may. she was for six years secretary. she was in charge of homeland security. now, today, she's still on the steps and said enough is enough. well, i hope she actually means it. >> what would that mean for you? earlier on our show, you mentioned internment. raising the sector here, happened to use internment camps in world war ii. is that what you would like to see for the 3,000 folks on that terrorist watch list? as i said was that the call for internment will grow stronger. for the prime minister to say enough is enough, that is not going to satisfy people. people want action. for my own part, i'm concerned that if we do intern 3,500 people, we might create more masses within that community. and the reason i say this is we did this with suspected nra

terrorists and what it led to were more recruits for the ira. so i'm not sure that's the reason myself. >> we've got live footage of east london where raids are on going. if you would, tell us about east london. is there any connection to this area, certain areas you believe law enforcement will be focusing on in london? >> yes. east london will be the absolute number one. there are quite big sections that have become wholly areas and completely disconnected with the rest of the community. and certainly -- i mean, evidence in parts of this london but on a saturday night, there are gangs out saying to women in short dresses they shouldn't be there. >> that's the moral police that you see terribly in places like saudi arabia and elsewhere, the taliban imposing these strict sharia laws.

you're saying the beginnings of that in some of these holy muslim communities where enforcement of muslim law is being upheld. >> yes. that has been happening in east london. i have to say there are parts of paris and brussels that are even worse and there are parts of those cities where any woman dressed in a very normal manner, you know, if she walks down the street, she will literally receive abuse just for being there. so this problem is not do you think london. it has happened across europe and can i say again on fox news. please, americans, let this be a warning to you your president wants to try to protect you and yet your judiciary and some on capitol are trying to stop him. abby: all right. nigel farage, we appreciate you okay with us. >> coming up on the show, how can we protect ourselves at home from the next terror attack? former secret service agent dan joins us live when we return

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abby: two live shots there you can see on the left. raids that are happening right now on the east side of london. we've been told 12 arrests have already been made and then of course there on the right side right here in new york city where security is up. >> that's right. so we're going to bring in dan, former secret service agent and former nypd officer. dan, we've been watching coverage all morning as we look what happened in london and the on going raids in london, and we can't help but -- behind us here on 6th avenue. that type of thing. they go hand and hand. what is your reaction there and what more could we be doing here to protect ourselves? >> i didn't want to waste your audience any time here. so i thought what are the two

with a i see from a societal standpoint we can protect ourselves? number one, do not take under any circumstances the advice of london mayor. with all due respect to him and his office, the worst advice humanly possible is not to be alarmed. do not panic, don't overreact, the likelihood of being involved in a terror attack is very small. but be alarmed. i spent 12 years in a constant state of low level alarm looking around. here's a good piece of advice for you that will hopefully one day if you take it may save your life. ingress and egress. always remember where you came in a location because it may not be where you leave. people have a natural tenancy if someone were to shoot or a car plows through the front door, they have this natural tenancy to want to exit where they came in. when there's an exit usually behind them but at a different location when they entered the place. always look around.

now, would that have helped on london bridge? not necessarily but always when you go in a restaurant or movie theater, look for the exits and be a little bit alarmed. a little bit of alarm is not going to ruin your life. but it can save your butt one day. it's important. >> i can't help but think they are going after the bridges except jump off the bridge, which is what some people did last night in order to save themselves. >> yeah. and this from a societal standpoint, we're going to have to harden our soft targets and these are unquestionably soft targets. what does that mean? it means structural flower pot obstruction is that they can't drive on these curbs. this is tough stuff, folks. and from a larger standpoint, there are two things we have to do. first, we have to scrap this garbage political correctness. of course not all muslims are involved in terrorism and

everybody gets that. but here's the bottom line. some of these steaks taxi have had a common nexus to radical islam terror. so we know where to go, to find these people. there two things. we have to develop sources and shake trees in these communities. i know we're doing it, but we have to do it more. and secondly, we have to build out our physical surveillance capability. the american public would be astonished if they knew how little physical surveillance is going on on people on the terror watch list in the united states right now. mark my words. i'm not making this up to scare your audience. i'm telling you as a call to action. we are probably watching 99% of the people in this country. we should be watching. instead, we're doing this nsa metadata nonsense focused on reading joe abag of doughnuts e-mails that he's sending overseas. it's absurdity. we need to get back to old school detective work and watching some of these folks. >> every expert we've had this

morning has said the same exact thing. i want to pull the live shot of the world trade center because we had you on and yesterday the top of the building was lit up in green, and you had survivors who were upset about and said this shouldn't be about politics. this represents our country, who we are, fighting terrorism as we are dealing with today, and we wake up, and it's now not green anymore because they realize the number one issue we face today is terrorism. >> yeah. you know, abby, what happened to the greatest generation? what happened to the generation before that? our founding fathers? i mean, these were politicians with guts. i mean, when washington left office after second term voluntarily, the british king said, you know, if this is true, this must be the greatest man alive. what do we have now? we have a bunch of swamp rats. these people in dc who all they care about and this world trade center thing is chief political point. they don't want to to

understand the real fight. i mean, think at about. all of these people out there, you had that commentator on another network who takes a shot at donald trump after he makes the statement seemingly more concerned of scoring political points than dead bodies. i mean, we really have a lost political generation. and that lighting of the world trade center was a perfect example of that. >> very much so, and it's not just democrats on capitol hill. swamps in newsrooms don't want to pay attention to this as well. if you were to turn on another channel this morning on msnbc, you may be seeing talk of impeachment or cnn talk of climate change. what will it take for elites in this country to take seriously a threat that regular people understand because it's common sense? >> you know, thankfully it's already happening. i mean this. i mean, the election of donald trump was a groundswell moment in this country where a lot of them are starting to wake up. but remember, they're dealing right now still with the emotions of a loss. they're not dealing with the practicality of it. and all i can say to people

out there who organize to get this man elected was you need to start doing this at the federal, state, and local level. and we need to give all of these guys, these politicians who don't understand the fight against terror and more concerned about lighting up the world trade center green for climate change a one-way ticket out of their office back home. they have no business dictating policy at a time where national security should be number one. not number 221. >> well said. former secret service agent. we appreciate you joining us this morning. thanks, dan. all right. president trump unleashing a series of new tweets this morning in the wake of the london attack. we're live at the white house with the president's reaction. next

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>> welcome back to fox news channel and a fox news alert now. the trump administration condemning the horrific deadly terror attacks in london. abby: the president is sending out a flurry of tweets a short time ago about what we need to do now. >> our own kristen fisher is lye at the white house with his reaction. hey, kristen. >> what we're seeing is president trump really using this moment to try to push for his policies that he believes will help keep our country safe. like his travel ban or that executive order on extreme vetting and his pledge to stop being so politically correct. he said on twitter about two hours ago quote we must stop being so politically correct and get down to business security for our people. if we don't get smart, it will only get worse. and that's similar to what british prime minister teresa may said in her speech earlier this morning that it's time, if not pastime to have some difficult conversations. as for that travel ban, president trump said on twitter we need to be smart, vigilant, and tough. we need the courts to give us

back our rights. we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. now, what he's talking about is of course the executive order signed by president trump that would ban travelers from six muslim-majority countries from entering the united states. it's been blocked repeatedly by the lower courts but the trump administration just appealed to the high court three days ago and asked them to reinstate it. now, last night president trump spoke on the phone with prime minister may and offered her the full support of the u.s. government. this is the third time in just three months that he's had to have a conversation with her on the phone about another terror attack in her country. brian, pete, abby. >> thanks, kristen. abby: thank you, kristen. >> earlier on the show, we had a couple of guests mention the word internment. the idea of internment camps as a possible solution to this. i think it made well-known my feeling on that, reprehensible, but i think on behalf of the network, all of us here find that

reprehensible on the fox news channel. abby: our coverage of course of the london terror attacks continue. we've got a live report from the attack scene at the top of the hour. you don't want to miss that. >> plus, catherine herridge is joining us live from washington. coming up

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directly afterward several bystanders had gotten hit. people were mainly in shock. it is not expected to happen. >> these attacks are not accidental. they know where the people are. >> we will be doing absolutely everything in our power after this horrendous attack in london. >> under siege, the only way to deal with the terrorists he wishes to risk bond with terrorism on those sentences. >> no reason to be alarmed by this. >> while we've made significant progress, there is to be frank are too much tolerance. we cannot and must not continue as we are. drink two welcome to "fox and

friends" weekend has to cover all angles of the terror attack in london. if you're like us can be woke up with the reality of the west had been struck again. a lot of happen overnight. 12 people arrested in anti-terror raids in the splendid in connection with the deadly terror attack on the london ridge. trade for you are looking at live pictures this morning. different apartment complex at least seven people are dead from last night's attack. another 48 others in the hospital. >> will keep a close eye on that. the three jihadist descendent of it in before going on a stabbing spree were shot dead at the scene eight minutes later. >> that's right. david lee miller is live at the scene of the attack. good morning. >> good morning. earlier use overt shock and not as the word this morning. the united kingdom now experience in its third terrorist attack in three months time. the threat level, the terror

threat level here now remaining at severe. as you mentioned, at this hour, a series of breach taking place in east london. the community there. as many as 12 people have now been taken into custody. we can see it in crease in that number. the death toll as he mentioned no ending at seven. that could increase as many as 48 people were injured. worth noting come of this attack began a little bit after 10:00 made. the attackers in a way rental then mowed down london bridge and then nearby borough market popular with people looking for bars and restaurants and a little nightlife. they are, the stabbed their big guns. theme tire attack from beginning to end last to come as you just mentioned, only eight minutes. after eight minutes, authorities shut the attackers said. it was within those eight

minutes, the longest eight minutes in the lives of many of those who survived. the police were able to bring the attack to an end. the attackers not publicly identified. so far no claim of responsibility. the prime minister says although the recent attacks are not bound together, they have an ideology. the u.k. must undertake significant changes to combat terrorism. >> it is made significant progress in raising arafat is to to be frank far too much tolerance if extremism in our country. we need to become far more robust in identifying and stamping it out across the public or endocrine society. the >> towards that end, the prime minister said that while provide difficult and embarrassing conversations. this is now the theme just about 100 yards from where the attack took place.

quickly take a look from over my shoulder. history steel completely sealed off. news crews around the world at this intense investigation continues to determine if these three attackers that are now dead had help from anyone here in the dead were possibly beyond. back to you. abby: we talked to many of those part of this last night. they are very lucky to be alive. we want to bring in dr. james mitchell. the intense interrogation program. great to have you with us. these rates are going on as you can see we can pull it up on our screen here. as they were just told, 12 people arrested taken into custody. potentially they will find many more people there. where they even begin in their search? >> well, i'm sure they looked like the people had on them, the one shot after the attack.

then they looked at the cctv coverage to identify who else might have been involved in the me in the meantime to get into social media and on tax to build a map of the links between them in other people in the community. i guess to be there in the process of following those leads and questioning the people they've picked up in developing. we are working on the mountain. we have to do have to do these things. we have to take measures to protect ourselves. we are playing whack a mole at least in the u.k. because what they've done is they've allowed this to happen. the prime minister's say one of the things they need to do is teach western values. the odds are pretty good that those people that pulled off the attack were born and raised in the u.k. if you grew up there and you go to public school there, you don't understand western values. they sent me terribly wrong with

their school system or the muslim community in which those people live. >> that's a great point. dr. michel, you know we've seen these people watched before. the story seem all too common or the fbi knew about the sky. they were watching him. for the british intelligence had been watching these guys. the question is if they are watching them, how does this happen? >> it happens because we have. khalid sheikh mohammad said political correctness and our freedoms for weapons that allah has provided so they can be defeated. his belief was you could infiltrate the country through immigration and sat up most of the support structure you would need to pull off these kinds of terror attacks from within without ever violating any laws.

or, ideas, not crimes. it employed, we need to do a better job of not just monitor it and infiltrated most places where we spread islam, but a future at what point on the expression of religious that today's does that crossover into criminal activity and then take steps to stop that. clayton: dr. mitchell, they look at our reaction to see whether we'll be strong or weak. president tremper acted quickly. he said we need to be smart, vigilant and tough. we need the courts to get us back our rights. we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. he went on to say we cannot have political correctness. you understand our enemies because you've interrogated them. what type of reaction do we need to be having. if it teddy bears and vigils or is it going to resolve that they don't think we have.

>> khalid sheikh mohammad again told me he doesn't think they will win because we do not have the moral resolver will to do what must be done while they embrace violent than one death more than life. so, the essence of what he tried to communicate to me so i could understand what motivated them is that they care more about winning than we do. he told me you may not be in the religious were with me, but i'm in a religious war with you as i will win a case he will not write that. part of the problem we have with political correctness is that we do not recognize that the seeds of their radicalization occurring that promotes this violence, we are importing. i had an opportunity to talk with senior talk with senior-level terrorists who had been radicalized, were or not way, one of the things they made clear to me was early exposure to a hobby islam made it easier

to be radicalized and adopt violence and expose it to other of religious beliefs. there are two factors that make that more likely to occur. what is this notion that they have been given a holy mandate to conquer the world, to impose sharia law on everyone. i asked khalid sheikh mohammad how come if this is the religion of peace you are all killing people. he told me it is the religion of peace. you think about piece of an american point of view. and my religion, peaceful exist on this planet whenever one has been converted to islam, subjugated to living as a second class citizen, enslaved or slaughtered. is on the way practically spread peace to the world. we need to realize that is what they mean and try to use.the initial spread of that ideology. abby: well said. good to have you with us. thank you so much.

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abby: you're looking live at london. this is moment ago. one of these apartment complexes with a quartered off a whole section. 12 people have been arrested in raids connected with the terror attacks that took place last night at london bridge. we've got a great guest to talk about this. ed davis, former commissioner of the boston police department with the boston bombers after the horrific attack during the marathon. good to see you this morning, ed. >> learning. >> what are they looking for right now?

>> after an incident like this, they are exploiting all of the telephones, all of the media, talking to his associates to find out who we've spoken to and when i say he, and in all three of them in the last 24 to 48 hours. they are going to hit everybody that was in contact this day. they will do raids on all the people that have any affiliation at all. that is the immediate job. trade to absolutely. i'm guessing they're attempting to identify or have already identified who these attackers are. how critical is that? who are they, who are they associated with and how quickly can we get the? >> and who their associates are to see if their other plot being planned. the support system around an incident like this, even something as simple as this. the urgency of this investigation is about follow-on attacks. what is next, there is a big

concert tonight, which i think it's ill advised to have it so quickly. but they are going to do it and they are going to have aliens of people watching this event. this is going to be a prime target as well. there's a lot going on right now. abby: think about what we do know of last night. eight minutes into their attack they were wearing a fake bomb vast to use debian to ram into people. but if that tell you if their intent is to kill as many people as possible. no guns, just nice. >> well, what it tells me is really long term and logical planning was involved in this. they are doing everything they can to frighten people, to make sure when i walk in with a nice they are not attacked by a bunch of people but the potential for

an explosive vest will cause most people to flee the area and apparently that is precisely what happened. this is a very thoughtful plan that identified the best way and easiest way to kill and injure as many people as possible. pete: did you feel you had to live for us the necessary during your manhunt in the sink when inez questioned eric >> certainly after an incident occurs we received a call from the president. i spoke to the attorney general, headed the fbi and the military was extremely helpful in the national guard are writing us all the tools we needed after the incident happened. the question is how do we use those tools have the information that we have to identify these plots before they happen and before people get hurt. >> a couple things you mention, we could've stepped up electronic surveillance. what would that look like? is that one way to make our city safer? it is.

two years in boston they were on the phone and they heard him say i'm going to leave my house and decapitate a police officer. they intercepted him on the way to the bus. the fbi agent and local police officer. there is a way to intervene in these planned event. we need to use the intelligence we have an target the individuals, greatly increase our physical surveillance, especially electronic surveillance and act on the information we have. we cannot be back on this anymore. >> grade-point. best defense is a great offense. >> you know what you speak after dealing with the boston bombing. thank you so much. we've heard from every expert today about surveillance and they need to improve our surveillance but here as well.

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train for us just after 9:00 a.m. in new york, but just after 2:00 p.m. in london. you are looking at life at age of one day near the bridge where the attack happened last night. if you're just waking up, seven dead, 40 wounded when three radical islamic terrorists both

within and across london bridge, then got out and attempted to stab his new civilians as possible. we've heard reactions from politicians across the spectrum. were this morning as well. while we speak, counterterrorism raid her up on it especially east london. we have footage for a moment because british counterterrorism officials are conducting raids across london as they try to identify the network or web of islamism could have been responsible for this particular attack your details on arrest of people involved to bring it to you. in the meantime, our counterterrorism u.s. army special forces, lieutenant colonel michael waltz, friend flight and former u.s. navy commander and founder of the american islamic forum for democracy, dr. judy jasser. good morning to all of you. we heard also from chorizo this morning talking about the need, too much tolerance of extremism in britain that we need to deny

space races from radicals inside the country where this extremism is fomented. it should have the right tone? >> you know, it sounded like she had the right tone. the real problem, something no one is talking about is assimilation. enormous problem in the u.k. with large populations of muslim citizens who have not been assimilated into british society and their staffers by muslim leaders do not let them assimilate. the british government is going along with this, including tolerating a parallel judicial system of sharia law court. if may is serious, she's going to focus on the assimilation problem. clayton: i have to go to you, mr. jasser. sadiq khan did not mention i'm cracking down in london. how concerned are you about his approach and what warnings have you done? >> i'm very concerned. clearly as a muslim he

understands islamism before he became mayor he was defending as a lawyer and now he has the opportunity to use the term jihads to talk about islamism and fighting the evangelical islamism that was moving into the west and even beyond assimilation. it is to bring their ideas to the last that it is time for us in the west to not only defend their ideas, but proactively advance the ideas of liberty and anti-islamists and commit anti-theocracy within the mosques, communities, neighborhoods and people like maher transfixed me to lead the effort or become radioactive and that's been the problem. the british government working with the wrong groups and working with the apologist rather than reformers who would be anti-islam. >> colonel waltz, both fred and dr. jasser made a point about how important our fight is against a system of the caliphate in iraq in the area.

how important is that we crush that? >> look on assimilation, better law enforcement surveillance is incredibly important and necessary but not sufficient. playing defense will only get it so far and eventually these attacks are going to get through. we need to go on offense and do a better job with hard power in taking on sanctuaries, syria, iraq, afghanistan, but also soft power to understand legitimacy of islamic extremism is dr. zuhdi jasser was alluding to. terrorism is not new but it's a tactic. in the 70s and 80s where disk is getting robbed, olympics attacks, airliners blown up over lockerbie. why don't those groups exist anymore? the shining path in peru. the red brigades because the ideology, the idea of communism has been eliminated. it's been shown for the joke

that it was that we need to do the same thing with islamic extremism. >> americans looking at the background of sixth avenue here in new york city. this type of thing could happen here. we need to be vigilant, that we can't have political correctness. are we doing enough, is america taking the right approach? >> the threat is very serious. dhs secretary kelly said in april there are terrorist investigation and all 50 states which you linked to radical islam. we have to have a really impress the american people. if they see some income as they sent in. we have to fight political correctness people are empowered to speak out when they see something suspicious. we know what happens in san bernardino, manchester when, manchester when people thought that this vicious but they are afraid to speak out because they did not want to be politically incorrect. >> you spent your career trying to get the word out. these islamists are cowards, but they see themselves as soldiers

died as martyrs are in as martyrs during the whole month of ramadan. how do you discredit the ideology that so powerful to a young kid who's seeking purpose in london today? >> p., we need to be aggressive. we can't be anti-terror and tell them the suicide belt is bad. this is the problem. they might be against al qaeda and isis, but they are sharia supremacists. that's why we have to do this in the west. the way to counter the terror that is the way i was raised. i can practice more freely and be more muslim in a secular government in a christian country that is interfaith, not based in sharia or theocracy, but rather freedom. this battle americans get we just need to understand what islam in its history and begin to enable muslims to fight for britain and america rather than jihadist. >> the people described it as a global insurgency which means

you beat an insurgent team of counterinsurgency. i was in and struck her in the human terrain and how you affect that. i do conduct counterinsurgency counterinsurgency in london, in britain against this threat? >> again, both global and local. president trump speech in riyadh, putting the onus on muslim governments to begin starting up from the top down. but then it has to come from within, from within the muslim community as dr. zuhdi jasser mention. we have to realize we are at war and takes off power and hard power. we need our diplomats and our military, economic and informational begin taking the sun is western society again just like we took on communism as a global effort. it is going to take generations i think to truly discredit this ideology. we need to be prepared for that.

pete: gentlemen, you know with which you speak. we continue to watch live programming on monday and come to a city reeling from a terror attack. seven dead, 40 wounded with counterterrorism happening right now as we speak. we will bring all the latest yukon including coming up, how did this attack on together? working intelligence sources that had once to find out she's joined in the next. my day starts well before i'm in the kitchen. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. i need to shave my a1c i'm always on call. an insulin that fits my schedule is key. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ (announcer) tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes. don't use tresiba® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis, during episodes of low blood sugar, or if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. don't share needles or insulin pens. don't reuse needles. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause dizziness, swtiting, confusion, and headache. check your blood sugar. low blood sugar can be serious and may be life-threatening.

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>> is said to my friend cover something is not right we are running about, screaming and shouting. it was quite scary because you don't know what happened. you can see people raising it in something exposed. re: far enough away? you can hear the urgency in her voice saying get out. trade to the investigation full text he did two who may be behind london's terror attack on london bridge they killed seven people and does a fun trip injured dozens more. abby: you can see on the left side of your screen were 12 people have now been arrested and taken into custody. train for that is rated more details including one right now. when the attack was taking place, police responded. some police in london carry firearms in them do not. turns out the first off or come the first british transport police officer who was there was

armed with a baton. he had a baton and the islamists had a knife. the initial confrontation, not with a baton and a knife and the officer was stabbed in the face, head and leg as was one of the first responders. it is one thing to approach a situation with a firearm when you can approach a stand off in the distance. we talk about in the military all the time. it's a whole other thing to confront man-to-man baton knife. it takes a lot of courage and a lot of training. >> and we can put up one of the pictures that we have it handy of the would-be attacker as he was wearing a fake bomb blast as well. right there. they all were wearing the same thing. to an innocent person at a pub, you don't know if it's real. it's like the power of having a gun it might be outmoded. you don't know if they were bullets in the chamber. abby: their whole intent is to scare people and killed innocent

people. they don't care who they kill. they don't care if their children, family vacation. they just want to kill people. boring mistake that they didn't have guns, just nice. was there a failure in the supply chain for the terrorist network. enough have access to these bombs, they would be wearing them. if their intent was to kill as many people as possible. >> or the tactic is literally the most effective in killing the most amount of people and maybe we don't have access to other form of leopard ready. in some sections strike at the neck which they attempted to do. you prevent civilians from going after the attacker if you have a suicide note. god bless the baton wielding police officer who used what he had. abby: let's bring in the chief correspondent who's been following this and that all broke. what is the latest in your hearing this morning? >> the critical thing is we still have no claim of

responsibility. within minutes of the attack, my contact confirmed a senior isis affiliated account begin pushing out very slick propaganda, saying that more violence is on the way and the propaganda began to suggest that it has been pre-produced. it was kind of on the shelf waiting for an event to go down and then they would release it or drop it. we don't know whether this was an effort by isis to be opportunistic and take credit for what happened or whether they actually had a role. everything this morning so far from their security forces seems to indicate this was pulled together very quickly as short notice at least consistent with the photo you just had the suspect on the ground with the fake suicide vests. pete: on the left side of your screen, these rates are continuing to unfold. reported earlier this morning at 12 arrested in conjunction with this attack. what do you know about those raids and what are you hearing

about that a fun arrest numbers? >> what i want to know is u.s. intelligence as u.s. intelligence as well as u.k. intelligence is focused on the three suspects and whether they act it alone or had some kind of support network and those who are sympathetic to terrorism. the british had been keeping a real tight lid on this after what happened in winchester. based on my experience, what they are doing now if they are doing an electronic scrub of any computers, phones that were picked up at the scene and identifying individuals who had contact with the fast back in the hours or days leading up to the attacks. this is why we are seeing today these kind of broad raids. >> are shannon bream spoke last night with dhs secretary kelly. he said the threat is right around the corner here at home. the biggest one that the

intelligence officials saying about the threat here in the u.s. >> you can think about the threat to the united states with radicalized does who are isis and so far what we've seen is the use of low tech approach is as weapons and firearms. the other line of threat to the united states is really aviation and i will say a more sophisticated plot line and to bring down aircraft or lack tronics and laptop computers. i want to emphasize the banned from airports in the united states has reached a level it has reached information terrorist groups are trying to do this. do this in two buckets, the low self starter which tends to be

isis affiliated and the more high tech approach which what we see with al qaeda. >> they are tightlipped this morning. if the concept the details were leaked from americans that shouldn't have been. as you work your sources, is there a sense whether these guys may have been on the radar screen of british intelligence or do people think there could've been an intelligence failure? >> i don't speculate on that because they simply don't have good information on that. i spoke with the u.s. last night too thin lipped on the classifieds site in recent days and what they thought targeting the u.k. was some of the most severe threat information in the last decade and now goes back to the cause for baycol in britain, they just do it jihadist where that is what we've seen

consistently. pete: we see these attacks in london. the officials here in the united states, they confirmed we might see some pain like this here? >> they are concerned that the propaganda and they used to call the crowd sourcing of terrorism. maybe a handful decide to act on this call to commit violence where you are. this is real difficult to disrupt because you talk about small cells, a handful of individuals, not a lot of contact outside the group. it's difficult to intercept the plot. we saw in london last night and they are trained to neutralize the suspects as quickly as possible. because there's not always the opportunity to disrupt event if it. abby: more to come on this. thank you so much.

how many plots here in this country have been supported. they don't get attention. they don't need to be talked about because they are trying to save american lives every single day. >> secretary of said if they read what i read they wouldn't leave the house. streetside sixth avenue, how many people are working. >> a little bit is here this morning, how many people are among us that are keeping us safe. >> we should point out as we said there is no sign of a credible threat here in the united states. there might not have been the side of a credible threat here out of the blue. more on this coming up. president trump make new push for his executive travel order. the liberal media going after him for trying to keep america safe. we will discuss that next

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ask about prevnar 13® at your next visit to your doctor's office or pharmacy. transfer welcome back good looking live at washington. by pictures of london all morning. the president waking up here early in the united states spent the last night reading about what america needs to do to be safe. abby: here is what he wrote last night. we need to be smart, vigilant and has given me to give back our right from a travel ban as an extra level of security. whatever the united states can do to help the london and the u.k., we'll be there. we are with you. god bless. 323 mark treats about facing radical islam that enemy. he sees what happens in london

and says i want to keep us safe. of course we stand with london and solidarity. the host of cnn -- a show on sunday night cnn. he treated this directly in response to the president. it is unreal. this piece of sleep is not just an embarrassment to america and the presidency, he is an embarrassment to human kind. this is cnni wonder this morning as they will be react to that. abby: this one came from nbc nightly news. use twitter to share part of london incident. we are not relying the retreat as the info is unconfirmed. would that have ever been treated about president obama. >> he retreated the drugs report. dan knows down the london bridge. we can't report and it's based on the fact they don't believe him and see him as a legitimate

and they will make the statement by saying we won't report the current president said. he's the president of the united states reacting to the attack. >> terrorism cannot come together. the guy from cnn was never heard from before. we should be thinking about the folks that lost their lives last night. that is just disgusting to see. >> is her mom used to say, if you don't have anything good to say. it can apply to twitter their president during an attack. early in same incidents privilege to information about witnesses who saw unfolding there as mowing people down. not just a simple traffic accident. a lot of people reserved and based on its own information to say this is a terrorist.

pete: it may be the president of the united states peered abby: been talking about political correctness. that was one other thing he ran on counter in fighting terrorism. we've got to move away from being so politically correct. >> what are they saying? you can't be politically correct. probably because she's channeling president trumpet day late and a dollar short. now we better take some. >> campaigning is suspended today but will resume tomorrow. transfer of nice, a great panel is here to weigh in next. you don't want to miss that. ♪ award winning interface. award winning design.

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pete: 12 suspects taken into custody in east london in connection to ethnic attacks. third away in a counter terror experts, national security analyst ryan morrow and former senior military intel officer in the fbi joint terrorism task force steve rogers. we talk about trying to dismantle this not work internationally and at home. how do we do it. >> many different ways to do it one recommendation is look at where these groups come from. often they'll come from the muslim brotherhood which is the largest islamic group around the world. they can legally operate in the united states. hamas is part of the muslim brotherhood and they would be allowed to legally operate in the u.s. and they could be rated

and be shut down. that's something people can call their congressmen to make happen. >> appoint made earlier is the idea of moms had ratted non-and told authorities. >> i wrote an article about the ways islamic internet site that. and the moderate mosque, but we knew about is that confronted the e.u. mom because they condemn terrorism and sources within the mosque saying they reported to the authorities. the truth came out the sources were lying in the mosque did not. >> relying on that is not going over. notice we are not having a gun debate right now because these individuals use knives. it took eight minutes to unfold.

a lot could have been prevented if those officers were able to learn themselves. >> that's exactly right. president trump from day one has been talking about being strong, tough and stop being politically correct. police did a great job for them to get this scene. in the united states of america, we have something called the second amendment. i believe that amendment makes it very clear people have the right to bear arms in there now is the time to move on his legislative bills that would give people in this country the right to carry consumer weapons. we are not talking about the wild west here. citizens in this country you would be trained. if there is even the police officers in england aren't, there would've been a lot less carnage. >> is facing a backlash for his debate last night about the travel ban. the president last night in capital letters say we need to get the courts to decide on two

the travel ban. how do you see it. >> what is the president's motive? to protect the american. yes indeed we should have a travel ban until anyone in this country saturday. every time the president said something is that the local progressives pounding him. protect the american people that's his responsibility and he's doing the best he could. >> you said this is a cell. thereafter told people in this race. books are in london as they arrested were shot and killed. it was part of a network. if i cannot post. what would they be looking for? >> de son history, i would make the assumption that they were on a watchlist that they had intelligence especially because authorities reacted so quickly after identifying them to rest another 12 people.

apparently part of a network because they arrested a lot of people and part of a larger enemy of structured and that's where the tentacles are coming into the u.k. in the u.s. like we are being invaded and focusing on the invading army but not the country dispatching them. >> it's very important right now that we stand united and a president who want to come together. all of this being caused by whether it be democrats or liberals is giving our enemies the opportunity to do the damage they want to do. >> great to see both of you. more transcendent in just two minutes. we will be right back. visit angieslist.com today.

abby: fox news alert is the world is waking up to another terror attack. the maytag, fort people arrested

as anti-terror is continuing london following last night that the attack. >> stay with the news channel all day long for all the breaking developments from london and around the world. thank you for joining us. very capable show coming up next. i., everyone. >> fox news alert for the third time in as many months. the u.k. is waking up in the shadow of terror. many streets of central london right now so quartered off this morning released seven people have been killed, dozens others heard it last night's rampage. started with the been running down pedestrians followed by a knife attack in a nearby restaurant district. the three attackers shot and killed by police eight minutes later ended this morning we are learning 12 people have now been arrested in eastern london in connection with the attack. rich prime minister theresa may speaking earlier this morning.