credit. white person free safe spaces, don't call it progressive because it's not progress. that's it t t t t t t t t t t t. tune in every night at 8:00. we will be back, "the five" is next. >> dana: hello, everyone, i am dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." we begin tonight with major developments on terrorism front from all over the world. in paris today, a man attacked a police officer with a hammer while reportedly shouting "this is for syria." before police shot and wounded him. new details are emerging about missed opportunities in saturday's attack in london.

one of the three london terrorists appeared in a documentary called "the jihadis next door." they haven't confirmed it's him in the video but several media organizations have verified the authenticity. take a look. >> because he is white and english, he can go. this is our reality. our reality. don't forget all the laws. we were just praying. >> dana: hindsight is 20/20. "the jihadis next door," do you know if they are actually going to be violent and at one point can the police intervene? >> greg: what's so strange about these documentaries is whenever you want to documentary, what do you see at the end? 100 names, credits. from the directors, writers,

stuntmen, hair and makeup. the caterers. hundreds of names. how many of them felt compelled to do something when they see the content of the subject that they are looking at they worked on the film but they didn't do anything about it because of the same thing we always talk about. being called a racist or islamophobic. you can't touch them. what if you divorced religion from their murderous assertions was to mark than you would have a sillier killer. serial killer. what if he announced his plans publicly before hand. like one of them did in italy. that's not a crime but you can actually institutionalize them because they are insane. if someone says they are going to embark on mass murder, you can probably -- or that he might be mentally ill -- put them

away. these people are insane. put them away. >> dana: from a legal standpoint, kimberly, i'm interested in this line. there are laws in britain and also we have some here that say if you do this or that, if you pledge allegiance to isis, then you can be taken into custody but how long do you keep them and what are the charges? the other thing that's amazing is they were on public benefits. >> kimberly: this gets more amazing by the minute, it's so disgusting and appalling. you have to bend over backwards to accommodate people that want to murder and offend women and children and destroy everyone's well-being and the life that we know and love every day. we are really hindering the ability of law enforcement to do the job that they have been sworn to do to protect and serve. instead, they want to give an apology to people like this for telling us directly what it is that it's in their hearts, mind

minds, forecasting their intentions. that's still not good enough. what do you want? only after the fact that the act is completed, that's sufficient? that's not what the law says. if you can catch people conspiring and that should be sufficient. now with the world has to see -- this. can you imagine how offensive and just deeply disturbing to the family members that have to watch these videos and hear these words and know that these people were identified and on the radar and absolutely nothing was done? who is whose side are you playi? that's what's bothering me so much. we are sorry, have we offended your right to kill us? that's what i don't get. we are seeing it play out in london and throughout the world and in the united states. and people are mad about tweets instead. >> dana: the mi5 in 2015 said

they are under pressure and today they said they have 3,000g bodies they are watching. they have 500 who are high risk and thousands that are former jihadists. before it's hard to prioritize these animals. the guy, low-moderate risk. can you imagine the high risk guys you are looking at? i can't believe this guy with on welfare. the welfare terrorists. welfare jihad. if you're holding up up and iss flag in the middle of the city -- if someone walks like a terrorist and talks like a terrorist, they are probably a terrorist. if you are a terrorist sympathizer, you are an unlit

fuse and all it takes is one strike of a match and kaboom. people are dead. they have to start rounding up unlit fuses right away because they can't let this stuff happen over and over again. it's kind of like child pornography. treat it like an offense, it's a one policy. if someone shows an interest or is online talking about it, boom. throw the book at them. you have to do the same thing with jihadists. >> dana: what we have been worried about for the past 5-6 years, we were going to have westerners who were traveling to syria for training and because they have a western passport, they were able to come back. the other thing that's happened is radicalization is set up. as isis strengths, they are deputizing everyone around the world saying don't wait for us. just try to do your work there.

radicalization is set up so much that you actually have terrorists that are younger and younger. to jesse's point, i understand the point of trying to round them up but what to do with them from there? and when they are actually citizens of western countries. >> juan: what you can do in a situation you described is if people have dual passports, take away their british citizenship citizenship -- you can take those steps. i want to respond to what i was hearing and say britain has had experience with this before in terms of the irish issues. the northern irish, the troubles over in britain -- what they did then was they created almost internment camps. what they found was it wasn't effective. it became a recruitment tool for irish terrorism. as it was being perpetrated in britain. >> dana: that's what people said around the world about

gitmo. i think islamic terrorism -- terrorism is terrorism but i think this threat is different. at their height, the mi5 would say during the troubles, they had about 103 people, i just mentioned almost 24,000 that we know of. >> juan: two points. the one you are making, give such a large pool of people and the question becomes, do you want thought police? >> kimberly: it's not thought police. i am the lawyer here. i'm telling you what you are saying is not accurate. >> juan: allow me to make my point. if you have a flag as we sought not documentary, if you are saying outrageous things, one does not become evidence of extremism or intent to illustrate incite violence? what theresa may has said, she

was in charge of homeland security for the brits before she became prime minister -- she said it's hard to define extremism under law in a way that is effective. they are still struggling in britain with this issue. >> kimberly: what about providing materials that support -- >> juan: this came up today because of a youtube thing that was about how to use a truck to kill people. the youtube thing was eventually taken down when "the wall street journal" called. at what point is that material support? >> jesse: it's more than just speech, juan, if you are trying to overthrow the british government and trying to impose sharia law on the country and unfurling and isis flag and you are known to have associates that are isis sympathizers --

>> juan: that's dana's point, isn't it? by that standard, people around looking and saying who qualifies? you have about 23,000 people. >> dana: that you know of. >> greg: you know who qualifies in this modern age? you could be guilty of hate speech as long as you belong to a certain group. it's really hard to go after radical muslims because we will be pretrade as going after an aggrieved group. i remember there were climate change -- if you are climate change skeptics, you should be infringed. that would scoff at you -- they would call your bigot -- when people are enraged over the death of innocent people, they often offer solutions. we have offered lots of solutions. trump offered solutions. a lot of people do. there's an entire oppositional side of critics who offer no solutions. they stop at this what about

this or what about that? while condemning the people that come up with the solutions -- once you come up with a solution, they go my god, if you come up with any kind of tool -- a band, vetting, a new law was to mark >> dana: -- >> greg: when you come up with some kind of alternative or plan, they will accuse you of being a bigot from their own cowardice on their perch. what about their rights? there radical hate speech imams out there who are creating a lot of this -- >> juan: i don't think theresa may is going to be intimidated by saying she's politically correct. everybody wants to stop it. what are the constitutional rights -- your rights to privacy, free speech, to organize and assemble. how do we make that --

>> kimberly: but guess what? >> juan: we don't want to become the monsters. >> kimberly: where are your solutions? >> juan: why do you say do nothing? >> greg: i'm saying do everything. >> jesse: if you are too tolerant, if you're to -- >> juan: i don't want to be dead. >> kimberly: you criticize and find fault with everybody that tries -- and you impugn them. because they want to make people safe and fight terrorism. >> juan: i just gave you a moment ago in terms of stopping people from coming back in by denying them a passport to your country. i told you that. there are other examples as well. how do you do it in an effective way? not just saying loud rhetoric like they are bad people. >> greg: that's not what people are saying.

every time you try to offer some kind of constructive thing or it's an emotional response, you are taking a risk in the society of being called something so what that does is it tamps down the actual debates of people don't want to talk about it. we have to loosen the screws here and allow people to talk about the ideas that may be consider dangerous in order to reach. some kind of decision that isn't dangerous but we can't stop the debate by going know, we can't talk about that. we should be able to -- >> juan: i don't see that as reality. there is so much fear right now about terror, and a place like london, that the question is whether or not people go overboard. >> jesse: there's also the fear of people being labeled a bigot. >> juan: i don't hear that from any public official. >> dana: we are not going to solve it in this av block. a big feud with london's mayor, president trump. we will tell you all about it, up ahead

>> jesse: sadiq khan made history last year when he became the first muslim as the mayor of london.

he doesn't appear to be enamored with mr. trump, either. speak of his policies go against everything we stand for. when you have a special relationship -- it's not different, no different -- you stand with them in terms of adversity and call them out when they are wrong. there are many things by which donald trump is wrong. kimberly, this on the mayor says he doesn't want to roll out the red carpet for president trump but some could argue he's been really rolling the red carpet out for a lot of these muslim extremists who just come in. >> kimberly: who died made him prime minister? >> jesse: just a mayor? >> kimberly: act may oral. act may oral he didn't like what the president said about how he handled it, okay, perhaps the

president should not have written and tweeted what he did. perhaps he misconstrued what mayor khan was saying. what we talk about on this show all the time? if you feel he did wrong, say okay, let's come and work together on this. and worked on common goals and interests to combat an enemy that wants to see both of our countries in peril and do great harm and injustice and commit jihad against us. otherwise there is the petty back and forth. two wrongs don't make a right. my intentions were good, it's just wasting time back and forth on semantics and let's just show by your actions how you behave. >> jesse: you were rolling your eyes a little bit when kimberly was talking. what was that about, juan?

>> juan: i was listening. i really appreciate your thoughts. when she said it was the mayor who really was going off, what about president trump? >> kimberly: i didn't say that. i said in fact the comments the president made on twitter that he feels we are not properly evaluating and understanding what he was trying to say. when the president said wait a second, this many people dead and injured but no one should be alarmed? then people came to the mayor's defense and said he wasn't trying to say that, he was trying to instill calm in peopl people. in an act of terror. perhaps president trump misconstrued the mayor's commen comment. talking about the semantics. >> juan: there's no semantics. he said don't be alarmed, there so many extra police on the street in london. the president responded that the mayor was making excuses and

watch and the people be alarmed about the spread of terrorism? total disconnect. theresa may, the prime minister defended the mayor. even the acting u.s. ambassador to britain spoke out and said the mayor has provided strong leadership in london. this would suggest to me that there is a wide sense even among the british people that they praise their security forces, there mayor, they don't have any trouble. it's president trump who's picking a fight with our ally. >> jesse: i think he was finishing a fight. this guy caused a lot of drama with the travel ban. do you think as the first muslim mayor of london, he feels an added pressure to deal with these radical extremists in his own city or does he just take that out of the equation? >> dana: i saw additional commentary from him where he was speaking to the radical islamic

terrorists saying this will not stand for me. that's not a terrible thing. i think this whole dispute is such a shame and completely unnecessary, it would be great for the leaders to come together and say actually, we are all on the same side here. i don't see the present doing that and i don't think the mayor would accept it either. they are playing to their domestic audiences and there's no time for politics here. there are people who are trying to kill us. we should all be on the same page. >> jesse: this was said about president trump. >> the president likes to pick on people of color and set them up as ploys. if you think of the people he embarks on twitter wars with, you have mayor khan, he likes these foils that set up a narrative that caters to a certain element in his face. that he likes to send dog whistle signals two.

>> greg: >> greg: he picks on pf color. all color. every single color. i think mayor khan is okay. you've got to realize, he's not special. trump does this to everybody. he's in equal opportunity negative tweeter. he should not have done that. trump can be wrong on these small things. but his response is somewhat closer to the assumptions, fears, and desires of the general public in england and america. he represents the concerned public more than khan does. you can argue that khan is in austria an ostrich. burying his head in the sand. he has big problems. focusing on trump, i get it but

trump is maybe closer to the street than khan ever will be. >> jesse: big indictment there. he ordered his administration to find the leakers. the feds said they just nabbed one. we will give you details, next.

♪ >> kimberly: welcome back. president trump has ordered his administration to find all leakers of classified information. over the weekend the fbi nabbed its first suspect, 25-year-old federal contractor reality winner has been charged with violating the espionage act. winter is alleged to have mailed documents about russian efforts to influence the 2016 election to a news web site. she faces up to ten years in prison.

jesse, no, we did not make up that name. is it reality winner fired? >> jesse: yes, her parents must've been hippies. >> greg: your parents were hippies. >> jesse: i know and look at me... i rebelled. she called trump the seaward, she supports black lives matter. she was a burning supporter. she had all the pages folded over and this should really send a chill down the spine of all the leakers. i'm glad they finally got someone. i think there's more where that came from. >> kimberly: people are very frustrated and upset about this.

if it was a man, an older man in the business for however long, she got caught with this. >> dana: if you want a career in intelligence, one of the best things you can do is shut down your social media account. they will not pass you through the drug test. smoking marijuana. i know this is actually a problem in the federal government right now. they try to hire young people. they want to hire them and all of a sudden, they send them to the drug test and they say you know what? i just took a job at whole food foods. >> greg: i'll take a pothead. >> dana: it's not worth it, it's not glamorous. she didn't have the presence of mind to ask the russians to bail her out. the actual underlining story of what she leaked is very eye-opening. what i say to these people, if

you feel that strongly about it, there's an investigation. a special counsel. with that play out. if at the end of that you still feel like there was something wrong, go to your superiors. do not go to the press. >> kimberly: don't commit crimes against the country. she's facing ten years now because she broke the law. you might be short of cash someday, greg, if you rob a bank... >> greg: the lesson from snowden is extreme vetting is necessary for people working in national intelligence. how did this person get clearance? she's 25 years old. highly politically motivated. no real life experiences. when you lack wisdom, you are gullible, easily influenced. you are the type of person who might do something like this. >> kimberly: a double agent. she sees herself as a social justice warrior. >> greg: the people who keep us safe are at the mercy of

people who seek sainthood. she's fulfilling the fantasies over at msnbc. feeding into the ideas that somehow the russians were involved. that feeds into a huge narrative that the left loves. jennifer lawrence will probably be playing her in three years. >> jesse: jennifer lawrence, are you sure? >> kimberly: it's actually possible. take a look at her. >> greg: she will be playing me, by the way, and my movie. >> juan: 25 years old but she was an air force veteran. she had been in the air force. >> greg: i stand corrected. >> juan: she probably had some clearance at that point to do what she was doing. she was honorably discharged and that's what got her into these positions. what interests me here is a couple things. wikileaks is now trying to go after this publication, intercept, which published the revelations on monday. wikileaks says they want the

reporter fired because it was a reporter that outed her. >> greg: weren't they basically, metaphorically, in bed together from the start? >> juan: yeah. you have a sans now saluting her julian assange saying this information was going to the public. it's important saying what the documents allegedly said was that the russians had fear phishing attacks on local election offices in the country with the intent of disabling the election machines. this is important information. >> greg: you know what phishing is, right? it's just trying to get your password. people mistake fishing for hacking. it's preying on people who aren't changing their passwords.

>> kimberly: "watters world" ." >> jesse: that's my password. >> kimberly: how did she get through this? top secret security. and she said if we were at war with the iranians, she would be with the mullahs. it doesn't get worst than that. a seventh grader can go online and -- >> greg: can we defend her on one thing? unlike snowden and chelsea manning, who dumped thousands and millions of documents, indiscriminate documents that jeopardized foreign intel, she was highly specific about the things she did. >> kimberly: who let them go? this was under the obama

administration. >> greg: i'm giving her credit for going after only one thing. chelsea manning it's like, who would give him a pardon? it doesn't matter if you are a feel of the bern person. we have details in syria, straight

♪ >> greg: that is a strange... anyway. according to a statement from operation inherent resolve, what we call the anti-isis coalition, u.s. backed forces have been launched an offensive to draw isis from raqqa, the so-called

capital of the isis state. the only way to destroy isis was to take back raqqa and mosul, iraq. to prove the state with no state at all. then you prove everything isis has said to its groupies is a big, fat lie. exposing their deadbeats makes it hard for them to recruit dead bodies. isis was able to recruit because they perpetrate themselves as teeming hordes raising across the desert, making those in their path bending in their demand. for some reason, we took forever to counter this message. we thought they were jay-z. we let it slide. now, we must kill them all. it seems that that's the plan. for example, you don't hear much about taking prisoners anymore. maybe i missed it but i haven't seen a signal prisoner.

ever since that first gulf war, we've gotten use to seeing the toppling of statues but we see so little of that now. maybe there's a reason for that? what we're doing now is so unbending and relentless. the way it should have been all along. dana, i don't know if my reasoning is correct. i know there is no press so is it the chicken or the egg? no press and so there will be no mercy or there is just no press there and that's why we don't see it? >> dana: there are some very brave journalist but is so dangerous and they cannot guarantee their safety and so they've had to move back. some of the most pictures that have spurred us to action is done because reporters have been there on the ground. it's true that in action, there's consequences. president trump is having to deal with that. good job of trying to protect them but you know isis has figured out a way.

i imagine that president erdogan will remain quiet. i believe trump and erdogan talked about it and even though it pains him because he doesn't like the kurds, he will do that. i do think it's critically important we deny safe havens in this area but remember what we are talking about in the a block. isis is already figuring out a way to evolve. their recruitment has stepped up and their instructions are don't come to the caliphate, do something -- whatever you can in your area. >> greg: jesse, they are predicting a long battle because they've had so much time to prepare. they are entrenched. if you take it raqqa there's very little else for them left, i think. >> jesse: i think it's close combat, door-to-door. wired explosives. really giving the kurds a lot of weaponry. even some vehicles.

we are flying in reinforcements behind and knowing enemy lines. i think we're doing all the right things. if these two capitals fall, mosul and this place right here. it sends a strong signal to the rest of the world that i think will dampen down recruitment but i think president trump will be judged on action. concrete action. whether the wall is built, whether isis loses the stronghold, whether texas is cu cut. president obama was judged on aspirations and words but if you knock down these two pillars, i think that's going to be a very strong statement. >> dana: he's also letting the military do their job. not running this out of national security. >> kimberly: this has been a really strategic battle being waged here. in terms of really making sure that we are even on the way to

being okay. the democratic forces there, they were able to get through and have easy pass, ingress and egress. that is part of battle success and mission readiness. to have time to be able to do that -- this will be a quick, easy battle but it's definitely one worth fighting. not just because we are trying to make them extinct but also to send a message to those that would seek to join isis. we have now been destroyed your two twin capitals of the caliphate by being able to take raqqa and being able to take mosul. we are trying to stamp out this resistance and having people join them again. >> greg: if you battle the terrorists, that means the terrorists have one, that's what people say. >> juan: i would argue this started in november.

we are doing this with some care. as you may have read, the isis people dress up as civilians, intending to confuse us. they put blankets over big buildings and streets so our bombers can't see. you have to do it in such a way that you're not hurting civilians and inspiring further generations. >> greg: i don't think anybody's thought that. >> kimberly: we told the civilians and gave ample warning in advance that we are coming and you should leave the area. to infect make sure we can minimize civilian casualties. do you want your cities back? we have people in place to take the town over and restore order after they are gone. come back and this town will be yours again. >> juan: kendall civilians get out without isis killing you? >> dana: they are holding them hostage. >> juan: that's what i'm trying to say.

>> kimberly: if they don't use you as human shields, hostages, kill you on the way. >> juan: it's hard for them to leave if they are being held hostage. i am all for it. they have already started to shift and the key point here is, it's a cancer. it has metastasized. it's online. it's very difficult. >> greg: president trump sent a message to his fired fbi director today. director today. who testified today on if you have medicare

parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything. and like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesn't pay. so don't wait. call now to request your free decision guide. it could help you find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you. these types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. rates are competitive, and they're the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. remember - these plans let you apply all year round. so call today. because now's the perfect time to learn more.

go long.

♪ >> juan: former fbi director james coming testifies thursday for the first time since he was fired and he could detail his private conversations on the russian investigation. mr. trump had some interesting words for him today. >> reporter: do you have anything to say to mr. coming before his testimony? >> i wish him luck. >> juan: everybody was asking what he is going to do during this period, greg, apparently robert costa said he is going to live tweet and be responding.

>> greg: he is just like us. this president is -- he's the closest you get to the average -- this is how we treat the oscars and grammys. we live tweet something that is really pouring in order to make it interesting and fun. he's going to get bored watching the hearings so he will sit there and tweet. this is what i do when i'm watching a "the five" repeat. it's like a judge on the boys. >> dana: or when you watch the bachelorette. >> juan: dana, "the wall street journal" said he should stop tweeting. this is self-destructive, to quote them. to think he should stop tweeting? he says bake mainstream media getting me to not use social media. they hate that i can get honest, unfiltered messages out. >> dana: i think the media loves it. i don't think the media wants him to stop tweeting. give people behind the scenes

that are on the staff or part of his legal team that are hoping he doesn't. the ongoing reality show that the is this testimony coming up on thursday, i do feel like people are prejudging the outcome. usually congressional hearings are very boring. possibly not in this case and because fox news will have live coverage from 9:00-12:00 -- >> greg: nice plug. >> dana: maybe tucker too. did i list everybody? >> kimberly: i think you got everybody. so nice of you. >> jesse: i can't believe greg says the hearings are going to be boring while dana will be covering them. >> kimberly: way to be a team player. [laughter] >> kimberly: i can watch your excessive way to being at the end. >> juan: we are out of time for this

>> dana: it's time now for "one more thing." jesse. >> jesse: today we honor the 73rd anniversary of d-day. the allied invasion of normandy, france. june 6th, 1944. 150,000 troops from nine allied nations came across into that beach and heavy resistance by the german forces and suffered i

think 10,000 casualties. it was a very, very, very important moment and turning point in world war ii. we will honor all the people that sacrificed their lives for our freedom. >> kimberly: thank god for them. >> dana: greg. >> greg: greg's hug news. in yet another ceremony in l.a. that no one really knows what it is, jerry seinfeld is being interviewed when he is approached by a kesha... kesha? >> i love you so much. >> thanks. >> can i give you a hug? >> yeah, no thanks. >> please? >> no thanks. [laughter] >> i don't know who that was. >> that was kesha. i wish her the best. [laughter] >> greg: that has been the inaugural episode of hug news and probably the only hug news we will ever have. [laughter]

>> dana: they made a graphic. earlier today i got to go to a company called jigsaw, part of alphabets. they are doing some amazing things, one of the things is a virtual reality room. this thing goes up in an elevator and it feels like you are going up and then you are supposed to walk a plank and jump off. if you want. only 50% of people actually go out on the plank. i managed to do that but only 20% jump. i did not jump. >> greg: it's exciting watching people do it. >> dana: that's why it's safe. [laughter] >> dana: also, a happy birthday to my husband. peter mcmahon. >> kimberly: happy birthday, peter. >> juan: bob dylan won the nobel peace prize in literature. but to get the money, about $900,000, he had to submit an acceptance speech and yesterday, the nobel foundation released the audiotape of the speech

accompanied by some jazzy piano music. take a listen. >> a tale of two cities, all the rest. typical. they give you a way of looking at life. an understanding of human natur nature. and a standard to measure think by. i took all that with me when i started composing lyrics. >> juan: it sounds like a college student pulling an all-nighter. he thanked everything. don quixote, gulliver's travels. you have a folk musician admitting it was reading that took him to the top. >> kimberly: i have an important "one more thing" tonight. i work on my twitter and instagram with this organization, children with autistic and sensory needs. the first sensory inclusive nba franchise in the country. it means that simple modifications have been made to the venue. quicken loan individuals will

have sensory needs and they can still come to a game and enjoy it. like veterans with ptsd. a wonderful group. >> dana: s s s s s s s s s s s . "special report" is next. >> bret: republicans huddle up at the legislative session begins. they controlled the white house and both chambers of congress. why is moving the president's agenda so hard? this "special report" ." welcome to washington. i am bret baier. president trump and republican congressional leaders are trying to come up with the plant tonight to get the president's agenda flowing through the legislative pipeline. the legislative calendar closes and for the fiscal year and they are running out of days. main issues: health care and tax reform. the main challenge, getting g.o.p. lawmakers to come together and