very colorful figure, already making some calls apparently. >> martha: i have to leave it there. thank you so much, mo elleithee in london. thank you for watching, everybody tonight. from d.c., "tucker carlson tonight" is up next with more on comey's testimony. ♪ 's going good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," fire director james comey finally got around to testifying before congress this morning, the most anticipated moment so far in this endless russian investigation, the hearing lasted fou hours, that was just the beginning. the analysis is next. the partisan line, the moral preening, the purely unsupported b.s. that you see run on the loop on the screen. that will no doubt go on first weeks if not years, each faction tries to get a jump on writing its version of history. our advice, approach at all with skepticism. an awful lot of propaganda out there.

here in our opinion, actually what happens today and we learn from it. first, all of the leaks that you have been hearing about, one of them came from the director of the fbi himself. we know this, because comey admitted it. after being fired, comey says he had a meeting with the president and sent it to his friend who gave it to "the new york times." he did this to try and force the appointment of the special prosecutor. >> i did not dawn on me originally that there might be cooperation for our conversation that there might be a tape. my judgment was that i needed to get that in the public square. i asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. i did not do it myself for a variety of reasons, but i asked him to because i thought i might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. >> tucker: second we learned that many of the other leaks and big scoops for major news outlets are lies. in february, for example, "the new york times" published a piece entitled trunk campaign aides had repeated contact with

russian intelligence. and incited those ubiquitous former officials that you see in every story these days. according to comey, the article was garbage. >> that reported by "the new york times" was not true. is that a fair statement? >> in the mena was not true. if the people talking about it, often don't understand what is going on, and those that understand, we are not talking about it. we do not call the press to say, hey, you got this thing wrong about the sensitive topic. we have to leave it there. >> tucker: unless we are leaking to the press ourselves, but that was not the only lie that's made it into the news cycle recently, cnn cited an unnamed source to claim that james comey would deny ever telling president trump that he was not under investigation. trump told him that three times. cnn said, that is untrue. less than a day later, the opening statement prove that to be laughably false. the group has been responsible more than anyone else for fueling the past have amounts of

media hysteria, often lied. and that makes sense, they are not giving their names for a reason. maybe reporters ought to take that into account before acting as their stenographers as a usually do. third, we learned that while investigating hillary clinton's private email server, loretta lynch asked comey to soft pedal what was happening. she instructed him to call the whole thing a matter rather than what it was, and investigation. that is political pressure if there was such a thing, but comey went along with it anyway. >> we were getting to a place where the attorney general's and i were going to have to talk about it, and i wanted to know authorization about investigation, and she said, yes, but don't call it that, call it a matter. and i said, why would i do that? and she said, just call it a matter. i gave the impression that the attorney general was looking to align the way that we talked about our work with the way that the political campaign was describing the same activity, that was that was inaccurate. >> tucker: inconsistent

behavior here, why did comey agree to make untrue statements that echoed the clinton campaign's talking points? he just admitted that. and then refused to say something true about president trump, namely that he was not under investigation? why did comey make and to leak detailed memos about president trump, but do nothing in response to the political pressure that he received from the previous general loretta lynch. was this the only time that the obama administration put political pressure on james comey? we don't know the answer to the last question. it might be worth asking. fourth, we learned today that president trump talks and acts like a new york city retail dealer, one highly aggressive and not understanding precise language or care, -- and he does not get grasp to the vital nuances of managing the executive branch of government. those nuances can be taught, obviously. but comey revealed that for some reason he did not bother helping

the president with us. let him flail around and took notes on it. >> you told the president, i would see what we could do. what did you mean? >> that was a cowardly way of trying to avoid telling him, we are not going to do that. at that i would see what we could do, that was a way of getting off the phone, frankly. and then i turned and handed it to the active deputy general, mr. ben tape. >> tucker: and finally, fits, and most important by far, we learned that the russian collusion story, the one that we have seen the handmaidens in the media for months now, starting to look weaker than ever. at the heart of the entire scandal, the reason we have not been able to focus on the problems in the country is the claim that donald trump collaborated with vladimir putin's government and undermining america's interest. if that is actually true, comey did not suggest it today or even come close. instead, he confirmed that trump

was never under investigation and offers no evidence saying that he should be under investigation. we have also been told that if trump did not collude with russia himself, he maneuvered to protect those around him who did collaborate or collude with russia. but comey declared just the opposite today. trump told him that if the satellite associates did something wrong, it would be good to catch them. that the fbi should look into that. sure, trump expressed his hope that general flynn will go free, but comey can see that nobody has been prosecuted for helping anything. >> you don't know anyone who has been charged were hoping something? is that a fair statement? >> i don't as i sit here. >> tucker: where we know? i months of shrieking hype, hours of shriveling television ever produced adding up to pretty much nothing. we have precisely as much proof right now that president trump committed treason as we had seven months ago when all of this started. that does not mean that we have not learned nothing, we have learned something spread to the

fbi exposes a political battleground. not reassuring to us citizens. we have had compromise aging, by the leaks, many of them untrue. we have had the media cheer on what has become unambiguously an attempt to overthrow a democratic leader. it has been a total disaster. a man-made one, and hard to see outside of washington who has benefited from any of it. representing wisconsin, tim from ohio, both democrats, and watching the hearing states, thank you both for joining us. for steel, how does it help your constituents back in ohio? >> doesn't. that's why we want to talk about jobs, but your presentation there, tucker, and i love you, but you left out the fact that the republicans controlled the house and the senate. there was a republican hearing we just saw. both of those republican committees are trying to investigate this. our investigation -- so it is not a democratic initiative on our part, it is republicans.

>> tucker: that is a fair point. i'm not here to defend republicans. but the story line is by democrats, and some republicans are stupidly going with it. i agree. >> you have a criminal investigation. it showed elevate the whole debate of both bipartisan politics, that's what we are trying to do here. you also mentioned comey with loretta lynch, i don't think loretta lynch or hillary clinton, anyone else thinks that james comey was taken a dive for the democrats. >> tucker: your whole presentation misconstrued in my estimation the facts on the ground. >> tucker: taking a dive for the democrats, i think that james comey admitted today, not to get too precise about it, that he went along with loretta lynch's command to refer to this as a matter rather than investigation, and that was the clinton campaign, i'm not saying anyone should be impeached, but putting political pressure on the sky. >> tucker, he showed 6 minutes of a three hour hearing, another

two hours and 54 minutes that the president lied, he said that the president lied. he talked about vice president penn snowing about michael flynn before he previously has admitted that he knew about the situation around michael flynn. the hurdle whole lot of other things had to make every american, regardless of political party very concerned. >> tucker: so what exactly, and be specific, what have we learned about the core allegation. the whole reason we are doing this is because the left allege that they lost the investigation because russia somehow hacked the election. >> what we learned when 17 intelligence agencies told us that the russians tried to interfere, and dated. 3 out of 17. just as a factual matter. >> i read the report, and we know that they interfered. the question is when you have heard the testimony, we are finding more and more about the collusion between not only the

campaign officials, but perhaps people in the cabinet, and the family members. >> tucker: what is replaced in the senate? what specifically did we learn today, and i am quoting you, "the collusion" about -- >> we heard that he lied about the describing of the narrative, the conversations that he had with the fbi director. that alone tells us -- >> tucker: are you talking about collusion? >> obstruction of justice is closer and closer to these issues. a >> tucker: so answer my question, where's the evidence? >> there was collusion during the campaign, what do you not say that that is treasonous? >> i would say it is crazy, horrible, if a president is doing that -- my question was, the government right now. you representing -- hold on a minute. after seven months, any evidence, i keep asking you, any evidence. seven months, when is this? no formal investigation, and we have the republican head of intelligence committee.

the attorney general who accuses himself, let's have admission. if the president has nothing to hide, he should be for the admission. we can move on to jobs in health care and everything else we need to do. >> tucker: so here's the lead in the cleveland plain dealer. how can government help in the opioid crisis ohio matters? the comey stuff is buried in the back section, because the truth is, and i'm not saying this, it is true. this stuff is a distraction from the country that is hurting pretty or district, you are well known for caring about the issues in your district, none of which include russia. this is paralyzing the government. still no evidence that it is real. what is the point of all of this? >> it is paralyzing our government because donald trump fired the head of the fbi who was investigating him, potentially, his campaign, absolutely. about the russian in our presidential election, and tipping the balance. so if trump wanted us to talk

about jobs -- >> tucker: i am not finished. >> if you wanted us to talk about jobs, he should've left comey in place, that they investigation move forward, save for the american people, nothing to hide here, i'm not going to lie about anything. it is going forward, in progress right now. >> tucker: it is in progress. >> and so is the republicans london and the intelligence community. >> tucker: at some juncture, members of congress who are using the scandal to distract from the fact that they have alienated the american working class and unions, the whole entire base, they aren't instead of dealing with her problems, it is like russia, russia, russia, and i'm waiting for the evidence. >> tucker, are you not going to ask donald trump to take responsibility for firing the head of the fbi who was miller getting him? and everyone is going to go back to doing business? he fired the head of the fbi who is investigating his administration.

what the hell did he think was going to happen? >> tucker: if you want to look at me and said that james comey should be the head of the fbi after the behavior during the selection, no normal person can say, i want him to be fbi director. i'm serious. after what he did to hillary clinton? >> oh, my goodness. i am amazed at your concern for hillary clinton. >> tucker: i'm not concerned. i am concerned about the law. >> the last time i was on, said, if he fired him the day after he was inaugurated, okay, fine. don't get -- the last time i speak to democrats about russia, it is fundamentally unreasonable. if he collaborated with the foreign power, that is treason. a huge torch to make, that all this time looking into it, no closer to showing that that actually happen. can you conceive that or not? i'm not defending trump as an american, i am defending it elsewise. >> tucker: the collusion between trump and other rest, where is it?

>> most recently jared kushner is being questioned, his son-in-law, every single week more and more trickles down. >> tucker: is he guilty? where's the evidence? liberals are arguing to imply something is the same as to prove it. >> no, admission would clear all of this out. the attorney general were cruising himself, unusual. and then the ranking member of house intelligence committee were cruising himself, there is a lot of unusual activity going on. >> tucker: you guys write about their mccarthy theory at all? >> tucker, why don't you ask president trump to take anything back responsibility? is he not responsible for anything? for firing the head of the fbi? forgetting secrets to the russians in the white house? how much further do you want to live? >> tucker: this is insane. this is crazy. if you somehow subverted national security by giving secrets to the russians in the white house -- >> you are talking about

paralyzing government, which we are right now. and you are trying to blame the democrats who do not control the house or the senate. >> tucker: the whole story is a massive lie, mass hysteria, it is worse and scary how people can get so irrational, so -- >> we don't want you speaking to republicans either now. >> tucker: james comey saying that the tarmac between the edmonton and -- was a turning point for the fbi. >> let me go back if i can very briefly to the decision to publicly go out with the results on the email. was your decision influenced by the attorney general's tarmac meeting with the former president bill clinton? >> yes, and ultimately an inconclusive way, that was the thing that kept it for me that i had to do something separately to protect the credibility of the investigation which meant

both the fbi and the justice department. >> tucker: meanwhile, president trump's attorney described a hearing is a total vindication for his client. >> contrary to numerous false trust accounts leading up to today's hearing, mr. comey has now finally confirmed publicly what he repeatedly told the president trump privately. that is that the president was not under investigation as part of any probe into russian interference. the president -- mr. comey also admitted that there is no evidence that a single vote changed as a result of any russian interference. >> tucker: well, charles krauthammer is of course a writer, and the most popular columnist in the world, he joins us tonight. charles, what do we learn? >> well, we learned it was not a good day for donald trump or for jim comey. trump is diminished simply by

the fact that on a series of questions comey was asked in which his version of their meetings, meaning trump's was questioned, comey said, not tru true. for example, who called whom. these are small things, but nonetheless, being called a liar has an effect. comey is diminished by the fact, and he admitted, he used the word "cowardly" to describe his reactions. as you say, from the pressure of the clinton administration, not to use the word investigation which was a way to please, placate, help the clinton campaign. and then the question that everybody is asking, if you are being pressured on the flynn issue, and you felt improper pressure and what the democrats would call obstruction of justice, why did you do nothing? why did you not say to the president, you're not supposed to do this? why did you not offer your resignation? why did she not go to the

attorney general? why did you not go to congress? and he said, i was stunned. i did not know how to react. while, you were stoned for about an hour or two, and then you had a couple of months, and comey comes out diminished, because he did not react the way that he should have, but to me the ultimate irony is this. as you said, as he pointed out in the previous segment, the underlying charge, the reason that all of this has sort of captured the country is the charge that there was collusion with a foreign power to influence our election. there is no evidence he had to, and this has been since july of last year that that is true. and the tragedy under all of this is that trump had a human reaction to all of this. you are the head of the fbi. you have told me three times that i am not stigation for thi. you have told me privately. what trump wanted was for that to be made public so that it would tamp down all of the wild

accusations about him there were going in the press. and that were soaking into the public square. comey did not do that. he gave the most part kill your reasoning for not going public. he said, because had i done that, i would have encountered their duty to change, the duty to revise what i had to uncover the way he had with hillary, remember, he exonerated her at first, and then he had to come back on october 27th. but if you are acting as comey is saying that the rationale is because you are trying to protect trump from a future event where comey would have to contradict himself, there is new evidence on how -- if you are trying to protect trump, why not offer him the damn choice? >> tucker: you can say that about any u.s. citizens in citizens in them. charles, i'm not going to say that you are under investigation, because maybe i would have to correct myself. >> if he had gone public, and i

think mark rubio has said, if everything was leaked except for the fact that trump was not -- that is a very peculiar. >> tucker: trump should have leaked it to "the new york times" printed a need to get on the game. >> no columbia professor, can you leak the story? and that is what has caused the fire storm. >> tucker: perfect submission, thank you, charles. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: the comey hearing revealed that the media has given them false information that they are published, and next what this says about the press and its methods. also in the u.k., the brits are having an election tonight, we will get their take on the results which looks like it may be a huge shock to the world, members have been accused of being a russian operative along with most people we know. what does he think? here's what he said last time. >> i was involved with brexit. i was involved with the trump campaign. i was involved with upsetting their little world in 2016. therefore, i must somehow be

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♪ >> tucker: well, today's hearing in the house was a lot of things, but among them, it was a very bad day for the media and their current stable of former officials who feed them stories off the record. during the hearing, james comey said that a major "new york times" story claiming that the campaign aides and to the russian intelligence was full of pulses. >> "the new york times" wrote an article that suggested that the term campaign was colluding with the russians. so the american people can understand this, that report by "the new york times" was not true? is at a fair statement? >> yes, in the main, it was not true. people talking about it, they really do not know what is going on. at those of us who do know what is going on, we do not talk about it. we do not call the press to say, hey, you got that thing wrong about the sensitive topic. >> tucker: well, that is weird, "the new york times" is full of pulses, that is so strange. at cnn, one of the analyst was claiming comey would refute

trump's claim that he was not under fbi investigation. >> he would dispute that he ever assured the president that he was not under any kind of investigation. >> tucker: keep in mind, we know that for sure, because it was from an unnamed source of impeachable integrity, except it turned out to be a lie. oops. writing for the hill, and joining us tonight. so look, everybody in the press uses anonymous sources, i have a lot. but you have to be really careful, because these people have by definition an agenda, hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. you cannot just run with what they say, because you are going to get burned as these guys were. they are not a virus. >> that's right, tucker, when you go with unnamed sources, you do not know about their gender. they may be lying about the excess that they have too the person i comey just said right now. so this is what we have seen for five months. every bombshell that has involved trump and russia has

been story with no main sources whatsoever, and people at home do not know what to make of what is true and what it is not. and in cnn's case, this shows really what happens when you go ahead, and in this case it was only one unnamed source and go on national television and talk about it as if it is fact. and in other publications and outlets picking it up as if it was walked down the mountain and the gospel as well. >> tucker: the problem is, everybody is lying right now. i experienced this every single day, and if you go into covering the story knowing what the answer is, you're going to get burned. you are going to get used. these guys all think they know what they are going to find. so anything that confirms the pre-existing opinion, they just go with. >> comey had the best analogy when he said, it is like feeding sequels at the shore. i grew up in the jersey shore. i've seen this. you throw a common air, and two's eagles come. you throw another, 50 come. and it is the same thing with

the press, the newer times in "the washington post," reporting and an everybody else comes in. they love the narrative too much. but before, they are followed up since with her story being wrong on february 14th. this is what they say, the original sources could not be reached after mr. comey's remarks. wait a minute, four sources, senior people, no one can find them? they do not want to go on the record or off the record to say that it is true or not, that is interesting, tucker. >> tucker: what is interesting when you have people covering this in terms of the personalities, and naturally as an adult of series of events. an exchange on msnbc that said it all, this is one of their anchors responding to donald trump, jr.,'s tweets about the hearing. watch this. >> for a guy that kills baby elephants for kicks to give james comey a lessening character and strength of character is rich at best,

empathetic at worst. >> tucker: so in other words, you are a bad person, shot up. that is not really journalism, is it? >> that is a perfect example of what i have been talking about to be a host in host nicole wallace, her ratings are horrible right now. a new show at 4:00, to be a shocking and melodramatic as possible. we are talking about it on other shows, goes on to other publications and goes viral. that is a goal. one more point, tucker, if you do not mind, because i was disappointed in in the intellie community today, but there was one that the american public was begging to be asked, and that was, mr. comey, when you had that private dinner at the white house and dessert was served, was two scoops of ice cream served to donald trump, did you only get one? >> tucker: did he like his steak rare or well done, i agree, joe. thank you for bringing that up.

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>> do you sense that the president was trying to obstruct justice or just seek a way for michael flynn to save face? >> i don't think it is for me to say whether the conversation with the president was to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing. very concerning, but i am sure that the special counsel will work towards us to see what the the -- >> tucker: yesterday we had andrew mccarthy on the show, one of the clearest writers about legal matters ever. he made some predictions about what happened at the comey hearing. one was that comey would not offer much evidence to support the president had committed obstruction of justice. how did he do on that and the rest of the predictions? andrew mccarthy joins us tonight. do what you think would happen

happen? >> yes and no, how about for a lawyer's answer? and i think his testimony as it unfolds undermines the obstruction case, but what i found disturbing is what looks to be a post hoc attempt to construct a obstruction case that was not even there in the first case. so to be more clear about that, i think that if you listen to the story, there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt of corrupt behavior. the president is allowed to influence the executive branch. all the problems that we discussed last night are still there. and the case is not there. here's what he died, he said in the clip that you just played. you know, it was not my place to decide whether that was obstruction. yes, it was. right there and then. there is nobody in america that knows the law of obstruction of justice better than jim comey does. he was a top prosecutor top cop

in america for the better part of his professional career. and in the justice department and all of these jobs, if you are asked to do something that is illegal or unethical or immoral, you are -- your choice is to resign or carry out the order. your choices not to say, well, you i don't know what that was about. and i was quite startled to hear him say that he knew or he now suddenly is taking this to be that he was being told to dismiss the case, not just that trump was saying that he hoped that he would see the flynn case his way. and that he does it fade -- disobeyed the order as he understood it. you are not supposed to do that. that is insubordination. >> tucker: unless you are a careerist at heart. applies to a lot of people here. the thing that i've never been able to get over is the fbi

director comes out and correct the record withillary clinton, but refuses to with his new boss president trump. why's that? is that consistent? >> well, there are two different kinds of investigations, and i think that it is not consistent, but the problem is that once you go down the road that he went down last july where he basically, there is a rule that basically says if you are the governments coming to speak in court when you are ready to charge somebody. until then, you keep your mouth shut. and you do not talk about investigations or suspects. he is trying to reel that back after having done it. so in theory, every case that he handles is inconsistent with the way that he handled -- >> tucker: that's a good point. maybe he should not have corrected the record with trump or hilary. andrew mccarthy, great to see you. president trump and his advisors are not the only ones who have been repeatedly called criminals and spies without evidence. in this -- an agile approach has

also been labeled by unnamed sources as a routine operative. what do you think of the hearing today? to be called putin, we will get his take on that in just a minute. nigel faraj joins us now. so have you spoken to vladimir putin recently? and what did you think of the hearings? >> no, i have not been in touch with tim for many days now. please do not take that seriously. as you say, we are living through a mccarthy style era. i think the most important take out for me is that nothing that came out today frankly lays a finger on the president at all. and i thought that he came across as somebody who was busy playing video games, leaking, i thought he came across very badly indeed. i must say, having seen the testimony, i think that trump was absolutely right to attack

him. >> tucker: what did you make of the fact that the fbi director himself was leaking stories to the press? did that seem odd to you as somebody from another country looking in that the head law enforcement will be leaking stories? >> it does not seem odd, seems disgraceful. he was playing political games whilst holding a very important position. no, i mean, i do get the feeling that sort of plea linking sort of so much of the establishment seems to want trump to fail. they are trying to trip him up at every given opportunity, well, you know what, they have not succeeded today. and comey comes across frankly has been somewhat disingenuous. >> tucker: yes, and the president has been helping them in some ways. so i think there is an election going on in your island nation tonight. and it looks like the labor canon jeremy corbyn is doing much better than anybody in this country expected. does he have a shot of winning?

what would that mean? >> well, what he did, jeremy corbyn, he said that we will leave the european union, he boxed off that issue. and i think in the end what the campaign was about was personality. theresa may was a remainder he was trying to sell brexit, but not really believing it. she came across as wooden, robotic, she refused to go out and meet the public. and jeremy corbyn, a lefty, basically a marxist, but he looked comfortable in his own skin, and to look, if tomorrow jeremy corbyn forms a coalition and becomes prime minister, it is very bad news for brexit, and very bad news for anglo-american relations. if this guy has been anti-american for the whole of his political career. and it looks like we could be on the verge with the selection, theresa may may have made by called the early election, a

historic mistake. >> tucker: boy, at least from where he sits right now, that is a terrifying possibility. great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: his testimony did not do much to encourage further investigation into president trump. but what about comey himself? time to investigate him? radio host will be here without perspective and just a moment. ♪ i accept i take easier trails than i used to. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem.

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>> tucker: you remember curt aiken wold, the reporter who is self emulated about six weeks ago, we invited him on to prove his claim that donald trump spent time in a mental hospital. he never proved it. he said he lost control of himself completely. gesticulating and making weird noises on the side, but at the end of the interview he was sputtering something incomprehensible about the cia, enough to make you feel sorry for him, and no kidding, we did. msnbc by contrast was impressed with his performance, so impressed that they hired him as a contributor. seemed like a weird decision at the time, seems reckless now. because yesterday he was back on twitter yelling about his political views. as it happened, he was a technet show. and to prove his point, whatever that was coming he tweeted a picture of his home computer. within minutes, internet users

noticed that at a tab open, japanese or non-european, as creepy as it sounds part of the internet erupted, but he had an explanation for this. "believe it or not, my kids and i were trying to convince my wife that tentacle porn existed. i cannot find any and ended up with this, my family reads my twitter feed, so they know this is true." well, of course, searching for hard-core porn with your kids. well, easy to mock a lot of that and america's doing that right now. for real, this is a troubled man. it does not help kurt eichenwald to pretend he is okay. he is not okay. he should not be on twitter, he needs help. his advisors know that. they have twitter. but they don't care. because whenever kurt eichenwald's has something on

bridges, repealing obamacare, ought to have a family member die in agony, because he wants to see them tortured. at the left responds with glee, "newsweek" gets clicks, msnbc gets viewers. they are exploiting him. it is cool. so are the supposedly news organizations, plea, for real, stop kurt eichenwald before he tweets again. he will thank you later for that if you do. while, there has been a lot of leaks at the executive branch, and jim comey openly admitted to being the source of one of them. >> the president tweeted on friday after i got fire that i better hope that there is not tapes. i woke up in the middle of the night and monday night, there might be cooperation for our conversation, there might be a tape. my judgment was, i needed to get that out into the public square. i asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with the reporter. >> why did you not give those to somebody yourself rather than give them through a third party? >> because i was worried that

the media was camping at the end of my driveway, at that point. i was going out of town with my wife to hide, i word it would be like feeding c goals at the beach it was i who gave it to the media, so i asked my friend, make sure this gets out. >> tucker: after the testimony wrapped up, trump's attorney suggested that comey was not describing his behavior, and maybe somebody should investigate him. >> although mr. comey testified that he only leaked the memos in response to a tweet, the public record reveals that "the new york times" was quoting from those memos the day before the referenced tweet. which belies mr. comey's excuse for this unauthorized disclosure of privileged information, and appears to be entirely retaliatory. we will leave it to the appropriate authorities to determine whether these leaks should be investigated along

with all the others that are being investigated. >> tucker: so is it time for an investigation of james comey? daniel ash, the syndicated radio host, and she joins us now. another investigation, this one of comey, are you for that? >> i think so, i think it warrants it, tucker, always good to see you. at this idea, well, i wanted to make sure this gets out, that is a weird line of reasoning. it sounds like a rube goldberg strategy for getting something out simple, and i do not think that comey needed too complicated that much. as senator marco rubio said during the testimony, everything was leaked except for the fact that trump was not under investigation which of course explains the line at the end of the dismissal letter. yes, you told me, mr. coming, three times that i was not under investigation. all he had to do was come out and say, he was not under investigation. this is exactly what happened. i think he complemented -- complicated this a lot for himself furthermore.

he opened up a door for inquiry into what happened with loretto flinch. i find it telling that loretta lynch was able to compromise the fbi and politicize the office of fbi director by getting the department of fbi to use language of hillary clinton's campaign, so as to benefit one person over the other in the general election. and yes, that should be looked into. furthermore, tucker, it seems that james comey had a lot of benefit of the doubt to give hillary clinton, because remember during the testimony he said that he felt that they -- it did not involve criminal intent forwarding the emails on two color schemes are and hillary clinton and her handling of all the classified material, but yet, when it came to donald trump who was not under investigation he said, well, i just felt that he could possibly lie later, so i wanted to keep all of this written down. to me, when i watch this, there were so many red flags here that showed at least in my opinion that he was helping to

politicize his position himself. i do not think it would hurt anyone to further investigate this. >> tucker: if you live here, you recognize this immediately. his behavior is that of an entrenched bureaucrat, whose main job is to keep his job. you can multiply jim comey by 20,000 credit that is the federal workforce. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: a democrat representing the state of rhode island, following comey's testimony, he said this. though testimony raised significant questions of whether president trump obstructed justice earlier this year. what were the questions? thank you for coming on. >> hello, tucker, good to be with you again. >> tucker: let's get to the root of this before we get to obstruction of justice, there could be an obstruction of investigation into the question, did the president conclude with the russian government to affect the outcome of the election? do you believe he did? >> i do not believe we have enough evidence to answer that question.

what we saw today was testimony from director comey that the president of the united states attempted to impede, influence, prevent an investigation from proceeding. and that should be concerning to everyone. >> tucker: which investigation? >> the investigation of michael flynn. he made it clear to director comey that he preferred that investigation concluded. let me finish. >> tucker: i just want to be clear what you are saying, which investigation into michael flynn? which behavior? what was the root allegation? >> it doesn't matter, obstruction of justice is an effort to impede, influence, or prevent an ongoing investigation. >> tucker: for the purpose of corruption. >> incorrect, tucker. it is unlawful -- that is incorrect. it is unlawful to impede,

influence or prevent an ongoing investigation. >> tucker: just one moment, this is a meaningful thing, you are a lawyer. so you're saying that the president of the united states does not have a constitutional right to direct investigations by his subordinates, is that what you're saying? >> no, that is not what i'm saying. i said it is unlawful to attempt to impede, obstruct, interfere, or influence an election. it is unlawful for the president to do that with in the fbi. so saying that i want you to drop the investigation, i would like you, that is not permitted. so the reality is, this further reinforces why we need to understand, why was the president so eager to stop the investigation surrounding michael flynn, and a reinforces -- >> tucker: but hold on, this is why you are dodging the question. this is what drives me so crazy. yes, you are. because the investigation was not into whether or not michael flynn was colluding with the russian government. the investigation was into

whether -- hold on, and it is meaningful. we do, because -- >> all we know is that the president of the united states. >> tucker: here is what we know, hold on, let me finish. i've superior knowledge here. >> as long as you let me finish. >> tucker: i shall credit the former director of the fbi said that the president was saying to him he has a good guy, one coming to drop it, by that team at the investigation into whether or not michael flynn lied about his conversation with russian officials, one where he was spied upon by u.s. intel agencies and then leaked credit was not an investigation -- >> so i let you finish, now you will let me do the same. when the president of the united states tells you that the director of fp i should stop an investigation doing fluent and dealing with the untruthful statement of michael flynn, you do not know the scope of that investigation. once he begins, it may lead to additional information. and the point of fact is it is inappropriate for the president of the united states to tell the

director of the fbi who is responsible for overseeing an investigation which he has already acknowledged exist between the term campaign and the russians to determine if there is collusion to interfere with any part of that investigation. i mean it was -- the president and the united states say that? >> tucker: i am against the president doing a lot of things printed tweeting, asking for loyalty. i don't like any of that stuff. but the core allegation is that he committed treason. there is no evidence of that. yes, every single one of you is implying that. >> wrong. don't mix my words are. no one said he committed treason. >> tucker: yes, that is what you are saying. you are not being straightforward enough to be honest about what you're saying. >> tucker, you are wrong. >> tucker: why don't you be an adult and look in the camera and say that? >> lets determine what the facts are. why are you afraid of the facts? no one has said this is treason. >> tucker: such a a democrat.

oh, my -- all right, congressman, i'm going to ask you, i am growing tired of this. one last question. >> what are you afraid of? >> tucker: i guess i am afraid of the truth, congressman. terrified of it. really, what is the number one cause of accidental death and your state of rhode island? >> excuse me. >> tucker: what is the number one cause of accidental death? >> oil field. >> tucker: has been a lot of times in your state with a lot of problems, and you are spending the majority of your time on television talking about an investigation of whether or not the president -- >> because that's what u.s. to talk about? i would rather be talking about jobs, and how we make policy! but this white house is smeared in scandals and russian investigation, that's what u.s. to talk about. you want to talk about a job bill, infrastructure --

>> tucker: it is key for the democratic party and the republican party, it is not just you guys, it is then too. we are wasting time on what is fundamentally alive. >> this white house being raised with the scandal, we cannot get the work done for the american people. making college affordable, creating good jobs. >> tucker: i'm out. text me later and give me the number for the conference call where these talking points are formulated, i want to get on it so i have some preparation. would you mind? you have my number. great to see you, congressman. today's hearing was treated like a sporting event in washington. basically what it was. hundreds of people going to special midday happy hour to watch the testimony. we cannot resist sending catherine to d.c. outside to check on the partying in d.c. here's what she found. >> just after 9:30 in the morning, and here in d.c., the best seat in the house is not necessarily at the hearing, it is at the bar. what time is it? >> it is party time.

we are going to catch the fbi special. >> i'm excited. i'm a little nervous. i think it will be interesting, for sure. >> a little alcohol helps, right? >> well, depending on what, he says, little bit more or less will be needed. we will see what happens. >> i just wanted to be here with a group of people that are just interested. there is a lot of excitement in the air. it is kind of electric. people have been waiting for this for quite a while. >> do you think people in d.c. and at the bar excited for this? clearly, right? >> you look at the line. >> i think you guys got here in time. >> that one was me. i will take credit for that. >> you look great. don't be self-conscious. what do you have to say about today? >> sorry, guys. a day off today, sick day. >> tucker: so catherine joining us in the studio to answer some questions. they are just watching tv? >> i would like to know what jobs they have. >> federal jobs. >> that dog had on camera

interviews before coming he did not say anything. he was smart about it. >> tucker: i am impressed, how dorky is washington? the house hearing draws a crowd? >> only hear what we have a political polarizing situation that brings people together over drinks at 9:30 a.m. >> tucker: where people actually drinking? >> yes, why not? >> tucker: i think there is more boozing in d.c. than anywhere else. >> i think they started the night before. everybody seemed knowledgeable about the situation, and the turning out to show that they were invested and they wanted to have a good time. >> tucker: were they cool people? >> they are at the bar at 9:00 a.m., of course they are. >> tucker: a lot of politically active people with drinking problems? >> if you want to call it that. >> tucker: i do want to call it out. catherine line, thank you for going out for us. to show that the sworn enemy of lying, smugness, and groupthink,

good nines, and mass hysteria, washington, our friends at "the ♪ >> kimberly: hello, everyone. i am kimberly guilfoyle and this is "the five." fast breaking developments. james comey's bombshell testimony on capitol hill. speaking publicly for the first time since president trump fired him on may 9th. he claims the senate intelligence committee that president trump lied about the reason for his firing and also revealed some remarkable new information about the hillary clinton email investigation. but perhaps the most stunning news is that mr. comey admitted he initiated a leak of one of his memos about a conversation he had with