>> dana: hello everyone i'm dana perino, along with. it's 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." more high drama on capitol hill today as attorney general jeff sessions testifies under oath before the senate intelligence committee and push back hard against any suggestion he was colluding with the russians. >> let me state this clearly, colleagues. i have never met with or had any conversation with any russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of interference with any campaign or election in the

united states. further, i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the crop, trauma campaign. i was in this body for 20 years and i participated, and the suggestion that i participated in any collusion, that i was aware of any collusion with the russian government to her to this country, which i have served with honor for 35 years, or to undermine the integrity of our democratic process, is an an appalling and detestable lie. >> dana: after a series of combative accusations from democrats on the panel, republican senator tom, came to his defense by mocking the accusations. >> do you like fiction. >> yeah david ignatius. >> do you like jason bourne or

james bond movies? >> no. yes, i do. >> have you ever in any of these fantastical situations heard of a plot line so ridiculous that a sitting united states senator and an ambassador of a foreign government colluded in an open setting with hundreds of other people to pull off of the greatest caper in the history of espionage? >> thank you for saying that, senator cotton. it is like through the looking glass. what is this? >> dana: were going to take on the table here. jesse, i thought this was a fabulous part of the hearing for attorney general sessions. but the most important one was the first sound bite that we showed. he was the first who had been accused of this collusion and the whispering around town in washington, d.c., and to say, how dare you question my patriotism. i have dedicated my life to public service, so how dare you.

>> it was a great part. the democrats are trying to paint jeff sessions out to be a traitor. the man is not a traitor he is a patriot. he's worked in the attorney's office, he was a part of the department of justice. he's from alabama, he is trumps attorney general. as a red-blooded american as you can possibly get. there's no way that he would try to undermine our constitutional republic in broad daylight with a foreign power. it doesn't make sense. today was just another nail in the coffin for the russia hoax. no one landed any punches on the sky. it was a lot of innuendo, not a lot of facts, and the reason they keep on shifting targets is because they keep withing. they keep coming up empty handed. the are, this guy, jeff sessions, did not meet as a

surrogate with any russian officials, he meant as a senator twice last year. it once was just after a speech he gave at the rnc with a lot of other people and once was a meeting in his office about the ukraine invasion. he's not trying to cook up anything, and after seven or eight months, the senate intelligence committee has found zero evidence of any collusion between trauma campaign officials and the russians. so, i don't know where the evidence is. it does not exist. the obama director of national intelligence, obama cia director, now the attorney general, say there is no evidence of collusion. there is evidence of collusion between the democrats in the media, but that's besides the point. >> dana: it's interesting, kimberly, attorney general session started his testimony by talking about russian interference and saying it is real, it is a problem.

so, he is openly saying that we recognize that we have a problem, but the collusion part, that is not something that i did. >> kimberly: right. i thought this was very good. it's sad that we are at this point where we have to waste taxpayer dollars. that is appalling and detestable because they deserve better of the time of the people on capitol hill to be able to focus on issues that are real, not conjured up genii out of a bottle, kgb, russian fantasy, the likes of which you would read about in a novel. so i like tom cotton's point. and i like the fact that attorney general session was able to stand up for himself. enough is enough already. he was aggressive, good for him. people making false and serious allegations against you, and impugning your character and integrity when you have served with patriotism for 35 years, he deserves better and so do the american people. i'm glad he stood up for himself, he answer the

questions, he's not a afraid of the truth, and he was honest when he said we know that the russians try to interfere, but that does not mean that there was any collusion. believe me, there are democrats saying there is no evidence of this. there is no there there. so are they going to conjure up something, because we had calley testified too. there was no evidence to substantiate any of this. enough with the witch hunt. >> dana: a credible witness to you today, greg? he was calm, cool, collected, genuine. >> greg: he's like a wingless bird. unflappable. don't let his elfish qualities fool you. i am a woodland creature like him. he's scrappy. the one thing we learned today is something that we've always learned when we were children, the russians like to mess with

us. that is a one-sided problem that we have to deal with. that is no collusion. what happened is we have them bothering us. i don't get the democrats definition of a meeting. it's because you're in the same hotel western mark so technically, i have met with a lot of interesting people. if you get outside of the media bubble, if you get out of the political bubble, no one gives a care. i'm watching this, and i'm trying to take myself out of my job, and i'm sitting there, and i am looking at this, and i think, i don't give a. i can't believe anybody actually cares about this. we know how the world works. there are spies, there are people who always try to tinker with the government, or tinker with your elections. we have done that, they do that. so, meanwhile, north korea is basically executing an american citizen, isis, we are fighting

isis. we have all of these horrible things going on, and we are spending all of our time on a conversation on what was talked about between two men -- >> dana: in a passing reference. and yet the democrats were not satisfied with the hearing today. they say there's going to be more, and tonight i see that several senators are calling for the resignation of jeff sessions, saying that he misled to the committee. do you think that will stay? >> juan: i think it will stick among democrats, if that's what you're asking. do i think it will result in him leaving office? no. >> dana: it so why do they overplay their hand? >> juan: i don't think they are overplaying their hand. a week ago, we learned that president trump wanted sessions to resign. he was mad at him for having recused himself from the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. and then, the question was, why

did sessions recused himself if the president hadn't encouraged him to do so, and it was unclear. and then we heard from the former fbi director james call me that there was more that was somehow not publicly known about sessions and involvement with the russians that it led him to recuse himself. there were some outstanding questions there. so, what happened today, you hear the attorney general say, no there is nothing secret here. i don't know what comey is talking about. then he goes on and refuses to discuss the conversations he has had with the president. so you get people, he says slow down, you are making me nervous. i can't respond to these questions so quickly. all of them saying, you are stonewalling. this is what happened with mike

rogers, the director of national intelligence and the director of national security. are you guys don't want to talk about what you are saying. >> greg: he had this great strategy that would ask a question i will cut them off at the point where it sounds like he was saying something else. it's very clever, but after a while, you realize how hackneyed it was. that goes back to the idea that the democrats right now was not being responsive. if you had some thing to say, say it. let's get out of here. when he testified, when he was being confirmed and it didn't the additional meeting, that really opened the door. that made him more vulnerable to these attacks from the democrat democrats. >> kimberly: i just wanted to say, these are auditions. these auditions to lead the democratic party.

people trying to take wax at him, to see if they can make it a big joke. this is what happened. >> jesse: this is what they do do. stonewalling, objection. >> i believe the american people have had it with stonewalling. >>, i am not stonewalling. >> you are not answering questions. you're impeding this investigation. >> senator, i'm protecting the president's constitutional right by not giving it away before he has a chance to review it. will you let me qualify it? if i don't qualify it, you accuse me of lying. i need to be correct as best i can. >> so the stonewalling charge seems to be the one thing that democrats come away with this hearing from.

my question is, if you are a cabinet member, and you have a conversation with the president, and you get called into a hearing and you just have to say what ever you talk to the president about? how can the president ever trust any member of the cabinet that he brings into the oval? >> juan: the present has the right to invoke executive player village. he has not done it. i am responsive, i think if i was reading about it today, people describe it as a gray area. is it the case that congress can say to someone with no executive privilege that is applicable, tell us what you said to the president? or is it the case that the official who was representing the president saying that i want to reserve his right to exercise executive privilege. >> jesse: you want to give the president the benefit of the doubt so he can invoke executive privilege later on if need be. >> kimberly: absolutely. this is nothing illegal. it is constitutional, it makes sense. so good for attorney general jeff sessions for standing up

and doing the right thing and putting his foot down. he is the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the country, by being the head of the attorney general's office. he knows what he's doing, he's highly capable and qualified, and he was on point today. so, big rumors of a breakup between sessions and president trump. don't believe it. >> jesse: i think the democrats are being a little hypocritical here, greg, because when officials were testifying against the fast and furious scandal, the irs, benghazi, or the hillary clinton email investigation, over shredding of documents, invoking executive privilege, the democrats weren't saying that was obstruction. they were okay with that. >> greg: we have to be fair. the hypocrisy then becomes a two-way street, because now we are saying it is okay, but back then we were saying it wasn't. >> jesse: he didn't take the fifth though. >> greg: right, and nobody died.

we are still learning the lesson of benghazi, which is when you don't blame the evil for evil, you keep getting evil. the lesson from benghazi is orlando, manchester, the london bridge. whatever you don't say that causes terror, you get more terror. i wonder what's next, it will probably be cyberbullying. there was a boy more collusion under president obama. guess what, it was on tape. obama told the outgoing russian president that, he will have more flexibility after the election. >> jesse: and that makes a great point. they shift their narrative when they keep not hitting the target. they go from charge to charge and nothing is sticking. >> dana: i hope that robert mueller has an investigation and that will wrap up soon so america can move on, and at that point, if it still bears out

that there is no evidence of collusion, i hope the democrats can accept that. we have a much bigger problem, and that is as a country, when we have an election coming in three and a half short years. that one has to be full of integrity, and we have to do something now to protect ourselves and all of the states. that's a huge undertaking that will require everybody working together on that front. >> greg: outsource it. >> dana: two robots, hopefully. >> greg: and they should also run for office. >> jesse: that never was really brought up by democrats during the hearing. >> juan: that knowledge wasn't available until recently. >> dana: it was available this morning, , and attorney general sessions lead with it in his opening statement. >> jesse: i just want to make mention of the fact that there was also a question about it sessions recused himself, then how did he become involved in the firing of james call me. >> jesse: because he says the firing wasn't strictly about russia, it was about his

performance with the hillary clinton email investigation and some of the other factors. >> dana: but and following questions, that is probably where he had the most difficult time, being a little bit muddled. at one point he also says, we will just let the president's words stand, and the president had changed his words. >> juan: right, and at one point, he says i based the firing on what rod rosenstein wrote. maybe it was the case, according to sessions today, that there were discussions with him befor before, and he knew it was because of the russians. it's kind of confusing, but i think people want to understand. if you recuse yourself from the russia investigation, how did you get involved in the firing of james call me? >> kimberly: he recused himself because of the doj regulations that required him to do so. >> juan: but the question is how did he become involved in the firing of the fbi director

after he recused himself? >> jesse: he overstepped his bounds with loretto lynch. >> juan: but as comey testified, there was never any indication that there was a problem with the fbi. >> jesse: comey also claimed that sessions never gave him a heads up, and sessions came out with the email to prove it. i don't think that comey came out looking very good after this interview either. >> greg: there have to be 200 million americans thinking this is all about a conversation. and nobody died. this is about a conversation, it's about a party trying to prevent another party from succeeding in its agenda, and the media spends 85% of its time, they are like those cats chasing laser pointers. that is all the says. their paws are hitting an ipad because there is an image there. but nobody gives a.

>> dana: do you know that that creates a compulsive disorder in cats? >> juan: or epileptic seizures. but there is an alternative view. the alternative view is that if you compromise the integrity of our elections, that is not good. >> greg: i agree. last year, when we first were stumbling onto the story, i was the loudest screamer about russian interference. >> juan: so they are not cat paws. the seriousness -- >> greg: there is nothing there. >> kimberly: they want to catnip they want president trump. >> juan: i hope that robert mueller gets this done quickly. >> greg: maybe they figured it out and something righteously pops up after comey had been fired. >> jesse: the white house

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night. >> he called me because i have been very clear about the fact that mueller hiring four democrats, one of them worked for the clinton foundation, but could not find a single pro-trump attorney to hire. i think it's a mistake to pretend that this is going to be some neutral investigation. >> kimberly: so we are hearing a lot discussed about obstruction of justice, the shift has gone from collusion to obstruction. >> greg: it's fake news. it's like those old movies where the hearing is constantly up like this, and then he sitting down at a ramp, but he's going to get dinner. trump all the time has to be doing this while he is getting this other stuff done. he's kind of basically -- they

are trying to throw all their stuff at him, but he's trying to get through the side battles while trying to fight to the front battle. it would be interesting if the democrats could just loosen up on their delayed release convulsion. that's what this is. since the election. it never let go. they are still going through it. they've got to learn to live with it. >> kimberly: do you buy the theory, dana? >> dana: two weeks ago when robert mueller was announced, everybody said, a great guy, amazing public servant. he's the perfect guy for it. and now all of a sudden, they are talking about he should be removed. it is slightly ironic for republicans to be complaining that there were donations to democrats given that president trump himself have donated to democrats over the years many times. i actually think that people can do their job in a nonpartisan

way regardless of who they have actually supported or have given money to. if it become such an issue, then they want to hire a couple of pro trump lawyers. it's unfortunate that an independent investigation that should be pure of all of that is basically getting tarnished. i think it setting it up to be so that democrats can say, look we told you all along that there was collusion. or republicans can say, actually we told you all along that there was no collusion and it's a good thing robert mueller went our way. i don't like any of that, i think that people can actually be professional in washington. i still have hope. >> jesse: i think a lot of people in the beginning thought mueller was the right pick, and an alarm bells started going on. if the former fbi director says

that there is no collusion and there is no obstruction of justice, then what exactly is mueller investigating, and not only is he hiring 3 out of the five lawyers that are democratic lawyers, they are maxing out to hillary, they're maxing out to obama, one of these people represented hillary clinton's foundation. same woman represented her during her email investigation defense. one of the other lawyers that they just hired as representing or represented the guy that smashed hillary clinton's iphone with a hammer. you have the relationship between mueller and comey. they worked together for over a decade, they were close friends of the department of justice and the fbi, they were "joined at the hip." so if he is going to come in and

look at the dinner between trump and comey, and his good close friend is the star witness, or potentially the target, can he be impartial? those are the kind of questions people are asking, and like we said before, a lot of times these special prosecutors are like a hammer in search of a nail. >> juan: i don't know how it's new information that robert mueller has some relationship with the former fbi director. they were in the same administration together ten years ago. everybody knows this. i think the root of this whole conversation is, chris ruddy says the president may fire the special counselor. everybody says, whoa, what you talking about. now rush limbaugh and the chair of the republican party says there is nothing here. this is a politically motivated illegitimate investigation. why do you need to have an investigation?

to me, now they are starting to attack the people who are doing the investigation and suggest that they are illegitimate and politically motivated. remember, the justice department looked into whether mueller, because he came from a law firm that had represented trump's family, would have any conflict of interest. and then, what about the fact that some of the people he hired have given donations to democrat. they are finding that, no there is no reason. we've had previous investigations done by peoplewhl contributions. that does not mean you are incapable of rendering an impartial judgment. >> jesse: >> kimberly: this is u do. you get people on obstruction, or lying. there is no evidence of that. like with martha stewart.

there was no evidence of collusion, so they changed the path to obstruction. >> greg: comey's biggest crime was putting port martha stewart behind bars. but hillary can still walk. >> kimberly: unbelievable. another big story of concern is the revelation of james call me that former attorney general loretta lynch told him to downplay the clinton investigation. and gave hillary clinton a free pass and protection. totally a legal!" >> dana: there's a frustration from the republican side saying why isn't this story getting more attention? part of it is because hillary clinton lost. she is still in the world and is trying to figure out what she's going to do. she just started a pac.

once the administration moves on it's hard to go back. but the story line actually sticks. it does muddy the waters for the democrats, and they are not pur pure. >> kimberly: difficult indeed. >> jesse: three things with her. at one, she allegedly told james call me to downplay the language that he used in order to drive with hillary clinton's rhetoric about it, which she found to make him queasy. and he actually listen to her. and he did say that in front of the congressional hearing. also, the secret meeting with bill clinton on the tarmac. also very troubling. apparently they were talking about their grandchildren for 4. who knows. and then there was a news report, and this is new information, that comey went to loretta lynch with communications evidence, conversation between two top democrats that were alluding to

the fact that the hillary clinton investigation ever rose to a certain level, loretta lynch would spike it. he confronted her with it, and she just sat there and stared at him in cold styling, silence. what a drama going on. >> kimberly: he's very nauseous. what do you make of this? >> juan: i think it's a distraction. comey, by his own admission says, there was no evidence, no crime committed by hillary clinton. that was his finding. >> jesse: he says that wasn't his job to announce. >> juan: he said there was no case, jesse. there was no evidence that would justify bringing a criminal prosecution of anybody.

that's what he said. >> jesse: would you like to about that? >> kimberly: i don't know. >> juan: why don't you interrupt. go ahead. >> jesse: i will interrupt briefly. he contorted to say there was no intent. he didn't need intent. she violated the law, and if her name wasn't clinton, she would have been behind bars. >> juan: oh, my gosh, . >> greg: this is the confirmation bias. you have two perfect examples here. you look at loretta lynch, and you say absolutely there is no there there. you look at trump and say there is no there there. but, at least comey actually said that loretta lynch pressured him to use campaign language to help hillary win. he's actually saying that that happened, and the only reason it is being ignored -- coat >> kimberly: and is proof of the! >> juan: that is not proof.

i'm just saying, it's not just a meeting between the two of them, but a group of people come together and she says the fbi doesn't disclose that we are doing an investigation or not doing an investigation. >> kimberly: how do you explain snakes on a plane? how do you explain the whole thing teaming on a plane? bill clinton's involvement. >> greg: i'm saying snake on a plane for him. there was only one snake on that plane. >> kimberly: i beg to differ. before she begs to differ. >> kimberly: never mind. >> greg: i think were saying the same thing. >> kimberly: okay, the point is, there are actual statements to back this up. the problem is that when you

look at this, and i want to talk to you about comey for second, is he literally laid out as the prosecutor everything that shows that hillary clinton was guilty of this, and then at the end, he takes the role away from loretta lynch and says that there should be no further prosecution. and saying that there should be intent and that the statute that requires intent is totally erroneous, untrue, and not in the statute. he listed the whole thing. and said wow, this is going to happen. >> dana: i wonder about that in some ways, because he knew that loretta lynch had the tendency to pressure to use the campaign anguish, i wonder if he did that press conference, when he laid out all the terrible things that hillary clinton has done and then doesn't recommend prosecution. remember during that time, the investigator usually just turns over the document and lets the doj decide. it may be comey was thinking, if i do that this will never see

the light of day. he knew they were going to bury it. that's a possibility. >> kimberly: there is a great "washington post" article about this. >> juan: james coming, by his own testimony says, no evidence, no case. apart from whatever language and talking about, we describe this and confirmed that there was an investigation. when he looked into the matter, his investigation into the fbi could not find evidence of any wrongdoing. >> kimberly: no, of intent. and intent is not required. >> jesse: every time they push the russian narrative, all of a sudden susan rice gets to speak, or loretta lynch is in trouble. it keeps coming back to the democrats, and no republican has got caught doing anything wrong. >> dana: the other thing that robert mueller is looking into is the unmasking issue. that is been a shifting narrative as well. the republicans were focusing on that about one month ago. but that has been the focus of

the entire investigation. there are things to be learned, even if there is no collusion, and hopefully there is not. let those chips fall where they are. the unmasking issue that the republicans are demanding some sort of explanation on. >> kimberly: shouldn't they go? >> dana: that's what i mean. the republicans should want his investigation to continue, because the white house's ability to say there is an investigation, and let them do it, we want to focus on the great things will do for america. in the meantime, not only will they look into this, but they will also consider what the obama administration did on unmasking, because we need answers on that too. >> kimberly: the unmasking, for political purposes, that is the big story that should be at the top of everyone's list. >> juan: there is no evidence. everyone keeps a record of who requests a name and why it was requested, i don't expect that. but i will say, today the speaker of the house and the house majority leader both said there is no reason to fire

robert moeller, which i think can be put up there is a trial balloon for president trump. >> kimberly: no one is objecting to a fair and impartial investigation. >> greg: i am. >> kimberly: because you have a lot to hide. >> greg: think of what a waste of time this has been. you start with all of the stuff about collusion, and then you get obstruction, and then you go back on lunch. it just keeps going around and around, and the great thing is, all of it leads back to hillary. if it wasn't for hillary, there would not of been a loretta lynch meeting. >> kimberly: and also her private email server. and if she had just let biden run, this would be a very different show. >> greg: he was entitled to everything. >> kimberly: there you go. up next, what did the white house think of the

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the president just came back from wisconsin. on the way back here from the white house, sarah huckabee sanders brief reporters saying that the president believes that jeff sessions did a "very good job." she went on to say something else that is kind of interesting. you were just talking about with robert moeller, at this point the president has no intention to fire the special counselor. you can bet democrats are going to jump on the word no intentio intention. but clearly, the white house trying to tempt on any such speculation that was put out there over the last 24 hours over the possibility of the president firing robert mueller. they know the political firestorm that was created by him firing james comey. >> juan: question now from jesse. >> jesse: one, do you think this is going to be the blueprint for dissenting against the russian attacks, because sessions was very strong in his

rebuttal. at the same time, are we getting to the point where the white house feels it has turned the page on this. a lot of the serious testimony, are they turning the page on this or not? >> they haven't turned the page with robert mueller in business. this is around four months or even years. you can't turn the page completely, but the advisor to the president that i have talked to in the last couple of hours believe that they are starting to turn the page, i guess you would say. they certainly feel better. i think you hit on an important point. jeff sessions not just playing defense, but also going on offense. saying don't question my integrity. frankie, what took so long? we have not heard people around this president really speaking out and that way. part of it is that others have not really testified up there. james comey has had his chance, the president's inner circle

hasn't really had their chance to push back. this idea of a war room being created around the white house never really materialized, so there's been a vacuum, and what it has been filled by is the president and his tweets. maybe now, sessions will say, hey, this is a playbook. don't just play defense, get on offense. >> juan: get ready for cross examination from kimberly. >> kimberly: don't be afraid. it seems this has stabilized a little bit, especially with the relationship between attorney general sessions and the president with his performing so well today in terms of being a bit defiant, almost by what he's being accused of. what do you think the white house is thinking of in terms of next steps going from here? maybe they don't need a war room to deal with the russian situation if things are going to continue in this way.

>> two important points. first of all, with jeff sessions, the fact of the matter is, this is somebody who got out there and showed that perhaps it has been fake news or a fake narrative, this idea that he and the president are at each other's throats yes, they all but confirmed a few days back that jeff sessions offered to resign some a few weeks back before the president's foreign trade, because he believed the president was very frustrated that he recused himself. that opened the door to a special counsel being named, but i think you're right. based on his performance today, jeff sessions did not look like somebody who was on comfortable, he did not look like someone who was at odds with his president. if anything, he didn't just stand up for himself, he stood up for the commander-in-chief and the entire ad administration. that narrative out there, seems somewhat ridiculous.k what the president was doing. he was in milwaukee talking about jobs this afternoon and

evening. if they have sessions playing both defense and offense and the president getting back to what he was elected to do, they may have a playbook. >> juan: get ready for sean spicer role model, dana perino. >> dana: i wanted to ask if you could talk about things that happened that the president didn't get a chance to talk about. one, the house passed the veterans affairs bill, which allows them to be able to fire people that are civil servants but we need to be fired so they can start those va reforms. in addition to that, the president met with g.o.p. senators, he talked the health care bill, and said it was mean and they want the mic he wants them to fix it. apparently the president is going to allow general mattis to make a decision. there are all of these things

going on in the senate intelligence committee. >> along the fire workers who should be fired, the fact that he has been pushing hard to modernize their system. the veterans actually get the benefit and the health care they need, and this president can rightly say that he is out there innovating and doing some of those things he was elected to do. on the other hand, you mentioned health care, maybe things are getting back on track, but that comment that the house bill is kind of mean, and you have to fix it, that is a gift to democrats. it's another self-inflicted wound because you have all these house republicans, and i sang it mean. >> dana: i do think that that give them a chance to get some thing together that they can all support. >> >> juan: greg has been busy all day, he was helping to prep that man. >> greg: i have a fact and a question for you. in fact, i did and nine anagrams

of your name and my favorite one is "a nerd." my question when will these stupid vacuous story finally end? >> i thought long and hard about this because i knew you were going to throw me a hard ball, and i think today was a nothing frankfurter. i know you've been on the nothing berger, i'm going with a nothing frankfurter. >> juan: the president is at 37% in gallup. what's the reaction to that? >> he's got to get those numbers up. this is a president who in the campaign talked about the poles constantly. they eventually went his way, now he's got to get them back on his side again. >> juan: ad, you are the best. thanks so much. demands from actor mark ruffalo, coming up next.

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>> kimberly: so aggressive. >> greg: potato faced actor mark ruffalo is demanding msnbc stop hiring white people.

he incited a petition telling msnbc and nbc news to stop the white conservative hiring spree. the petition implores "don't promote white wing hate pier" how kyler's cast opinion as hateful. they smear other voices as evil to eliminate actual diversity of ideas. so, who are these hateful people that these networks are hiring? george will, nicole wallace, real ultrabright goons. the scum who throw women at to demand days to celebrate racism, that's your people mark. look, he's not that bright. so he masks his insecurities and social justice tantrums. but isn't it time to ask

hollywood to stop hiring white actors like him. seriously, why doesn't ruffalo accelerate diversity by rejecting roles and allow people of color to replace him? this guy has been in like 70 movies. ruffalo's own selfish desire to saturate the marketplace makes him an obstacle for diversity. he is racist. in fact, all of those roles were opportunities for gays,, men and women of color, that he took for himself. his callous appropriation of such roles deprive others of meaningful work. he's a selfish selfish old white male, and hollywood should stop hiring him. i would circulate a petition, but unlike marco, i have a life. shouldn't he lived by the sword die by the sword, dana? >> dana: greg gutfeld is right right. he probably hasn't realized thi this. >> greg: exactly. if you feel that there are too

many white people in a certain occupation market, it's on you. he's in like five movies a year. every movie he takes means a person of color it doesn't that hope. he played the hulk. you didn't have to be a white guy to play the hulk. >> jesse: i like when the left eats the tone. could you imagine if a conservative hollywood actor said fox news needs to stop hiring liberal blacks. could you imagine the outrage of summary like that? >> greg: he would be outraged. >> juan: i don't understand

how this green guy suddenly gets into this racial conversation. i would say there is a legitimate conversation going on about the fact that you have people like cameron hall, and it seems like what's going on? are they making a decision to move away from the left and move towards the more sensible approach? >> kimberly: they made it very hard on megyn kelly when she moved over there. the press and the media. >> greg: i've never heard of these people. >> juan: yes you have. >> greg: oh, "the cycle." they were trying to imitate "the five" ." it's like a child dressing up as a cowboy on halloween, you're not really a cowboy.

this is an example of a person who doesn't want any opposing views. he doesn't realize that can make them stronger. >> kimberly: get some elevation if you will. get up on a step ladder. >> greg: i did not deserve that. >> kimberly: but, when you thing about it, the discrimination and precedents that is being exhibited by the altar left is unbelievable. if you don't agree with them, then everybody else is racist and sexist, and they get to preach and pontificate and ban people from college campuses from speaking at venues. it's what they decide has the purity and the moral objective. that is what i find extremely limited and small minded. >> dana: the other thing that msnbc has decided, they realize that the diversity of thought is better for their bottom line.

>> greg: people like to be challenged. that is why "the five" is the most successful to show in history of television. >> kimberly: we could go in any time slot. >> thank you to our friends on the "the five." this is a fox news alert. jeff sessions obliterates the left, and her black helicopter. and slams the democrats for spreading detestable lies during his very, very powerful senate testimony today. also, newt gingrich, geraldo rivera, all here tonight with reaction. plus we are awaiting the return to the united states of an american student who was jailed in north korea for more than a year. he is indeed in