you had senator paul fired up today. >> bill: he's got some really interesting ideas. have a great day, okay? >> shannon: youtube. for our audience, "happening now" now. the >> jon: senate republicans are regrouping now after delaying a vote on their bill to repeal and replace obamacare. good morning, welcome to "happening now." >> heather: i'm heather childers. republican leaders, they are going back to the drawing board on a health care plan after nine g.o.p. senators came out opposing the bill for a very different reason. despite meeting with the white house with president trum president trump, mitch mcconnell says republicans have to reach a consensus. >> either republicans will agree and change the status quo, or

the markets will continue to collapse and will have to sit down with senator schumer and my suspicion is that any negotiation with the democrats will include none of the reforms that we would like to make both on the market side and the medicaid side. so for all of those reasons, we need to come up with a solution the american people elected us to do that and we're working hard to get there. >> heather: mike emanuel is live for us on capitol hill. >> good morning. senate republican leaders are hoping to make significant progress in the coming days. it will be voting on health care reform after the fourth of july recess. as you mentioned, there are at least nine republican senators opposed to the bill as of late yesterday. one of the conservative critics talked about repealing the very worst parts of obamacare. >> lets repeal that, let's narrow the focus, but let's not

create some new superstructure of the federal government involvement. if that includes democrats, let's do that and conservatives conservatives -- for the repeal bill, let's make it more of a repeal bill and let's move on and continue to study the issue and see we can fix health care. >> all senators were invited down to the white house after the delayed vote. after that meeting, g.o.p. leaders discussed about president trump's engagement on this issue. >> each of them had an opportunity to share their concerns with the president. he's a very good listener and about 15 different republican senators have a chance to speak. he met with another group of 15 for lunch that i attended a week or so ago. >> democrats are continuing this effort calling their supporters to double their efforts over the july 4th recess. the senate democratic leader weighed in on the g.o.p. struggles to get this done.

>> the republicans on this issue, from day one, democrats have been united and on offense and republicans have been divided and on defense. that's because the core of their bill is so-so out of touch with what the average american, even the average republican wants. >> are both moderate and conservatives with this bill, but nobody is counting out majority leader mitch mcconnell just yet. >> heather: mike emanuel ally for us, thank you. the >> jon: the health care push may come down to president trump as conservative senators take their concerns are each of the white house and administration officials say mr. trump is ready to get involved. >> the president has talked about what's going on with obamacare, how it's affecting our citizens, how the service has gone down, the premiums have gone up, how there is many

counties out there that are offering no health care options, no providers out there. the president is committed to fix this. >> jon: let's begin jake sherman. that meeting at the white house, the president is very engaged in this process. the meeting at the white house didn't get the job done. >> mitch mcconnell had already pulled this bill before they went to the white house, but listen, you had rand paul on here saying the conservatives run the gamut. if you introduce democrats into the equation, which the president has floated before and some members of the house have floated already, you introduce an entirely new set of issues. democrats do not want to repeal the health care bill, they will not vote for anything that does repeal the health care bill. what they will do is tweak around the edges, make some modest changes. i'm being skeptical of that. mitch mcconnell has a very,

very narrow plank to walk here. he has someone like rand paul who seems to be a pretty firm no one anything resembling earlier this week. susan collins is skeptical and on the moderate side. at this point, i wouldn't count out mcconnell either, but this is a very difficult process. >> jon: there are $300 billion worth of savings and the senate bill compared to the house version. mitch mcconnell could potentially use some of that money and throw in some sweeteners for these senators. >> that's possible, but then you go home to your constituents and say i voted for this, i didn't think there on the record already saying it's bad policy and then they'll vote for it because they got some behind the scenes deal, that's all republicans ran against democrats on that exact point. you can't forget that.

republicans ran against democrats for things like the louisiana purchase. that's going to be a very tough political issue. >> jon: the republican from south dakota was on fox and friends this morning and said president trump is very involved, listen. >> the president is very involved and he is engaged with individual members that have specific concerns that they want to see addressed. he had all republicans down at the white house and conveyed to them a sense of urgency to get something done. this is a failed system that needs to be replaced. we have to rescue the american people and give them a better way. the >> jon: of mitch mcconnell can't knock enough heads together to get this thing passed, can the president? >> that's a good question. the members that i speak to appear, there is one consistent

thread. members of congress recognize that the white house was helpful when the house passed its bill and then a couple weeks later in the private meeting with republicans, the president called that bill mean. members of congress are really wondering if the president will be there for members of congress if he says he's going to be there. that's something i'm here and across the board and it's you have to be seen. >> jon: republicans, mitch mcconnell may have some time now to gather their thoughts and tweak the bill and perhaps bring others on board. while they are doing that, chuck schumer and the democrats are going to be firing up their constituents, their base, and tried to torpedo this. >> that's exactly right. democrats have been unified on almost nothing besides their opposition to president trump's agenda. that's one thing they try to coalesce around. the president says that they're serving as an opposition party.

that's what unifies them right now. we've seen here on capitol hill, members of the senate have gotten thousands of phone calls and opposition. we had a poll this morning that showed very low approval rating ratings. the senate health care bill does not have great approval ratings, so that's something to keep in mind that the longer the senate and the house spent on this legislation, they are going to be saddled with a bill that is really unpopular. i think they'll see if this debate drags through july into august. >> jon: will be watching. lead author of politico's playbook, jake sherman. thank you. >> heather: and other news, a new ransom where virus attacking computers all around the world. the pet wrap virus is affecting

computers and demanding ransoms. according to australia's -- >> i can confirm that there has been two australian companies which have been impacted by ran somewhere overnight. i cannot confirm -- all indications would point to that fact. the virus seems to have been targeted and has impacted large organizations in europe and some government departments as well. what we are seeing overseas is that it seems to be large business organizations which seem to have borne the brunt of these attacks. >> heather: greg palkot has more from our london bureau.

>> in the united states and around the world, companies and countries is still reeling from this global cyber attack. ukraine, this time around, seems to be the country which is hardest hit. 60% of the targeted computers are in that country including banks, energy grids, government offices. officials there are accusing russia of being behind it, except that entities in russia are also being hit including a big oil company. it seems to be happening. any firms with any links to ukraine seem to be contaminated with this virus.

yes, several companies and operations in the united states are affected, including the drug corporation and the parent company of kraft and nabisco. this virus, just like what we saw last month is based on computer vulnerability is discovered by the nsa and then leaked. today we heard from the boss of nato, he's saying that the cyber is the new military domain. back to you. >> heather: greg palkot life for us. thank you. >> jon: in the meantime, the u.s. is warning the assad regime not to launch another chemical attack on its own people. reaction from serious allies leading some to wonder if the u.s. is risking a war with russia. will go into it. >> we are now at a really high point because there is no doubt that if the syrians are defiant defiant --

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the >> jon: new information on some crime stories we are watching. police in michigan arresting a person of interest in the case of a woman who disappeared more than six months ago. her suv was found a few days later. her purse, still inside. investigators picked up dan galloway in connection with another unrelated crime, but he was employed as a security guard with the missing part woman worked. police think they nabbed the ak-47 band at in a string of robberies across several states since 2012. they picked him up after he reported they shot at a kansas state trooper. court action for the church pastor accused of failing to report abuse when his 2-year-old granddaughter died of pneumonia. his church rejects modern medicine. her parents are charged with voluntary manslaughter. prosecutors say he should have reported the parents were not getting the child's medical care she needed. the >> heather: new information on the white house

is tough talk on syria after warning the assad regime that it will pay a heavy price in the event of a another chemical attack on its own people. defense secretary matus says he thinks the syrian government have taken the u.s. threat seriously while syria's main allies, russia and iran accuse the u.s. of escalating tensions. >> i believe that the goal is at this point, not just defend to s send asada meshes, but iran a message. if you do this again, we are putting you on notice. my hope is that this will get them to take a second look. the >> heather: joining us now is harry kolbe on us and he is the director of defense studies and senior editor. thank you so much for joining u us. obviously, the message is clear, don't do it and the message also

going out to russia and iran. what if they don't listen? >> if they don't listen, the good news is we have a lot of options on the table. i think the trump administration's number one goal here when it comes to the crisis in syria is to do everything they possibly can to wind down the conflict. keep in mind, millions of syrians have been displaced throughout europe and is a something the united states does have a lot of diplomatic options to use. for example, we know for a fact that north korea, yes, north korea, that we have been talking about for months now, has been arming the assad regime. they are states can make a bold play and saved to north koreans, if you're going to arm -- lashr all is odd, you can't do that. things like that, trying to constrict the arms going into syria it would be a good first step. the >> heather: i want to talk to you specifically about the north korea angle that you had brought up here.

you also say that north korea, along with supplying weapons, some of those would have allowed assad to have these chemical weapons. >> we know for a fact that the north koreans have been arming assad for decades now. this goes back to the 1960s. they have been arming them with conventional handguns and ak-47s and styles of weapons. that has escalated all the way up to nuclear reactors. now imagine what would happen if assad actually had them, luckily the israelis in 2007 actually took out the reactor. we also know that north koreans have been helping syrians develop their chemical weapons. they've been helping them develop their missile platforms. this is collaboration that has been going on for a long time. the >> heather: then you tie russia and iran into it and you have a whole another issue outside of syria. we know how they responded.

here is what all assad had to say. this was immediately after the warning came from the white house. he toured a russian air base. we have some of those pictures and video for you. he doesn't appear to be taking the warning very seriously in fact, he appears to be doing this on purpose to say i don't care what you have to say. >> share, but that's a photo op and that's great for assad, but here's a fact. i think the trump administration's very smart here, issuing that statement very late at night by sean spicer to put the syrians on notice. there have not been chemical attacks. i think the message was loud and clear. assad can tour all the russian just that he wants to, but at the end of the day, he did not act and i think the trump administration gets points for that. the >> heather: officially we have 900 troops in syria so we have to worry about our own interest as well. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your insight.

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security investigations. >> it's my understanding that we have that request from you and we are processing it. >> yes, like months ago. emma ever getting it in my lifetime? if you're not giving it to me, tell me why. >> i'm not stopping you, i wish my colleague would appreciate what he's trying to do here and give him a little extra time. >> what's the deal? >> if there's anything in this country people are entitled to, it's entitled to an answer from the question. >> i am agreeing with you. if i were you, i would answer my question because he's mad. >> jon: this coming as the committee meets to renew the fisa act. the >> heather: never any shortage of excitement. sarah palin's filing suit

against "the new york times." the former alaska governor accusing a newspaper of defamation during an editorial that linked her to the shooting of gabby giffords. at the time, they issued an apology and a correction, but the lawsuit says the paper did not go far enough. for more, i'm joined by howard kurtz. what do you think? >> first of all, they never apologized to sarah palin. this editorial was just reprehensible. it came on the day that steve scalise was nearly killed. for the times to dredge up the 6-year-old shooting of gabby giffords which killed six other people and accuse sarah pillion of insight met with the mentally ill gunmen never even saw this political mask that i was referring to, i thought it was just awful. she has every right to sue, she has every right to be angry, but she's going to have a tough time

winning this one. the >> heather: in the meantime, the president continuing his feud with the mainstream media this morning saying on twitter, some of the fake news media likes to say that i am not totally engaged in health care. wrong, i know the subject well and one victory for u.s. he also tweeted this. the failing "new york times" writes a false story after falls a story about me. they don't even call to verify the facts of a story. a fake news joke. he agrees. they have a problem with the media. >> the president is reacting to a "new york times" piece this morning about republicans pulling the health care bill in the senate and the online headline was trump kept at arm's length and health talks. it's on tuesday he was largely in the sidelines. that's an entirely fake news. to some extent, the white house was letting mitch mcconnell run this show. and vice president pence was heavily involved as well.

he has been on a tear against the media. the president beating up on the story of anthony scaramucci. i haven't seen the frequency with which he was gone after the press. the reason sarah palin will have a tough time as the supreme court set a very high bar for improving liability against public figures. the >> heather: a very heated exchange as well yesterday during a press briefing. it doesn't appear to be slowing down. how we thank you so much. the >> jon: we are moments away from a news conference with the new york police department on an almost solved central park explosion that left one man severely injured and put the whole city on edge. plus, as republicans try to chart the way forward to repeal

and replace obamacare, our next guest says medicaid reform must be a top priority. but first, one of the architects of the affordable care act on the senate g.o.p. plan. >> i think it's kind of like a bomb, you remember it. it left the structures in place and killed all the people. that's one way of thinking about this bill. or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress.

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not going very far and it's not actually in my view, a reform. something that takes away the entire medicaid expansion that hobbles the exchanges is a way of trying to take down the essential positives of the affordable care act. the >> jon: as one of the architects of obamacare and slamming the senate plan for repealing and replacing the affordable care act while critics say that the plan would got benefits for the poor to take pay tax cuts for the healthy. thanks both of you for being here. dr. siegel, to you first. the claim by dr. ezekiel manual

that this bill would gut medicaid, is that accurate? >> no, it's not accurate, there needs to be some compromise on medicaid. you have to understand that switching to block grants through the states may actually be a way to introduce tightening the belt on medicaid. let's talk about that. look at the overuse of medicaid. as a physician, i want to tell you that 30% of doctors won't see medicaid patients, they come in without a co-pay, without a deductible. a lot of times, they'll ask for things they already have like a wheelchair. they'll ask for another thing in two years. all of that is great, but it's such an overused system that when we expanded it, and expanded into a population who could have gotten a job. a lot of people will say to me, i can't give up my medicare and take the job. as a job killer. that's number one. in this study over the last year of emergency medicine show that there were more than 9% likely

to use an emergency room other than going to the states that had medicaid expansion. and the opioid epidemic can also be linked to the overuse of medicaid. 15% of medicaid patients have a substance abuse problem. anyway, it's enabling the opioid academic. >> jon: is that medicaid essentially on a growth pattern right now that is unsustainable? >> no, first of all, this is in a bill that does anything to reform medicaid. generally speaking, democrats will want to talk about improving coverage and it will probably be generally wanting to talk about how to control costs. they are both doable goals. the problem with this bill as it doesn't do it either. it takes 22 million people and adds them to the roles and on the other problem is it increases costs. for a person who is buying a silver plan today under

obamacare, and buy it today under trump care, and will cost 70% more. the problem is, this is a half-baked plan. it doesn't please either side and when it comes to medicaid, if you are talking about really good improvement to care, that would be one thing. we're talking about taking 26% of the program out and we haven't had a national debate about it. we've had a national debate and it will keep supporting medicaid. to form, yes. strip 26% of the money that goes to take care of families, i don't think that's a good idea. >> jon: douglas holtz aiken was on our program yesterday. one of the things that he says is that the senate bill would not change any of obamacare in 2018 except telling people they no longer have to buy insurance.

15 million people according to the cbo would volunteer to leave the ranks of the insured. how is that the fault of the senate bill? >> there's a couple things. the 22 million, two-thirds of it are made up of people and medicaid today. the other point is that the cbo report said explicitly that if this bill were to become law, low income and lower to middle income people were no longer be able to afford insurance. they would essentially be giving people who made $15,000 a year. the math of the bill doesn't work. i will stipulate that no one knows the future. the cbo says explicitly that the

primary reason people will lose coverage is because they can't afford it. >> a couple of points about this. i agree that the cbo has been inaccurate in the past. i agree with your point that of the 7 million that are on the exchanges that are getting obamacare, in terms of 15 millions on medicaid, -- i want to say, where is the compromise because i agree that we shouldn't get rid of the medicaid expansion, but where the democrats coming forward and say let's tightening our belt? it's a ridiculous program as it is. we don't have networks to work with. it's huge patient expectations. i want the two sides to come together. of those states, there's 20 republican senators in the states. i think republicans would be willing to compromise on this,

but the belt has to be tightened. democrats have to be willing to do that. >> if we have open hearings, will we have experts like yourself talk about making improvements to medicaid. instead of candidly a handful of senior staffers and closed rooms trying to revamp medicaid on their own, i think we would have a very different outcome and i completely agree. this health care system is something that everybody needs to own. as long as it's owned by either democrats or republicans, we are going to continue to play this game where each party -- the system can't handle that. >> premium bryans for more expensive services are scaled-back products. >> jon: what about personal responsibility? if dr. siegel is right and essentially medicaid becomes carte blanche for somebody to go to a hospital or emergency room to get whatever pills or medical devices they want, without having to pay for it out-of-pocket at all, isn't

there some requirement, shouldn't there be some requirement handy for personal responsibility? >> of course there should be, but i have to be honest. with all due respect, i disagree with that characterization entirely. if you think about what medicaid does, 70% of medicaid funds take care of people who are living with disabilities or a nursing homes. there is a not irresponsible people. half the people in the programmer kids. some kids are lazy and do take advantage of their parents, they're not taking advantage of the health care system. want them to be healthy. to say we have a bunch of takers and the medicaid system is not fair. >> i agree with your point, but don't forget that it expanded to 130% of the poverty level. some of those people -- i don't want them to not quit their jobs and say i don't want to give up my medicaid. >> jon: is a reasonable discussion and it's good to hear some solid proposals from each

of you. thank you both very much. the >> heather: coming up several major wildfires tearing across the western states as high winds and heat threaten to under the progress made by firefighters and getting them under control. some republicans in congress drifting away from president trump's agenda. is the president using his bully pulpit effectively?

the >> heather: is president trump's bully pull up -- bully pulpit using -- >> we keep too many of the obamacare regulations and subsidies and we created a new federal fund to subsidize insurance companies so we have to look at all of that. we need to fix these collapsing markets on obamacare.

we have to drive premiums down. what i want is the time to consider this to allow my constituents in wisconsin a chance to review it, provide their valuable input and feedback. i'm not asking months, but let's a couple weeks. >> i have so many fundamental problems with the bill that have been confirmed by the cbo report that it's difficult for me to see how any tinkering is going to satisfy my fundamental concerns about the impact of the bill. the >> heather: thank you both for joining us. i will start with you. losing his bite or learning that there are a few more alligators that he needs to get rid of in the swamp?

>> after the july 4th recess, he needs to bring them down again and say the bases with me. recent polls show 93% of the trump voters are still behind trump and let's face it, congress has a 70% disapproval rating. the bases with me, let me help you help yourselves. give them a couple more weeks. i do think you'll get some of the senators moving in the right direction. once it comes to the floor, it's going to be 20 hours of debate. i think we'll get this bill to a better place and try to pass it, but the thing that trump has done, he is allowed paul ryan to have his chance. nothing in politics moves, it's my turn now. and the thing that's going to help them is this. nothing succeeds like success. the georgia special election --a

big sigh there. he keeps telling the american people things like i'm going to make a recommendation. if i was to give it an ounce -- a piece of advice to donald trump, i would say stop making outlandish comments. work with your moderate republicans in the senate, but also with moderate democrats. also, i wanted agree with him on this.

the problem republicans have in the senate right now is that donald trump space is still very loyal and dedicated. >> heather: it seems like it's been the exact opposite. >> i don't think that's going to happen in the near future. i think chuck schumer has made it very clear that it's going to be about obstruction, about the lake, about trying to throw a monkey wrench into the trump agenda. trump is going to focus on the 52 republican senators and say i know we can come to some form of agreement. do i think it's going to be a much better bill when they come to vote for it hopefully before the august respects? absolutely. i think trump has the ability --

has over 100 million social media followers. use the bully pulpit to tell the american people, this is what the debate is really about and put a little pressure on these guys and say not only is the base with me, i have a massive platform and i'm going to be using it. the >> heather: in terms of getting work done, there are about 28 laws, more than 30 executive orders. he's getting some work done. >> going back to health care, chuck schumer made it very clear yesterday that he is willing to work with trump and with republicans to fix obamacare, but not completely repeal it and that is lowering prescription drug costs. >> this bill was literally written in back rooms.

if we are going to get bipartisan legislation done, let's go to the standard committee process where you have hearings, you have open hearings on television where people can understand what is being debated in the bill. >> republicans were not elected to fix obamacare. they were elected to repeal it and i think they have to understand that they better get as close to repeal as possible when they pass this bill or they are going to be facing some very upset voters in 2018. >> only 20% of the american people support the bill. >> heather: we have to go. thank you so much. the >> jon: thousands of people forced out of their homes as wildfires rage across the west. crews are up against bringing those under control. the fate of one tv star is home and help people in the wild card zone are coping.

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>> meghan: is at the right move for the g.o.p. to delay the vote? >> kennedy: plus tensions rising and the press room. who is out of line here and just how real a problem is fake news? the >> meghan: all that plus our #oneluckyguy. "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. >> jon: right now, there's no trouble in the western firefight with high temps and strong winds, making it tough for cruise trying to bring the raging flames under control. this as the infernos forced

thousands of people out of their homes. >> i got down here, the fire was over there. >> there are fires across the southwest. 21 continuing to burn and more popping up each day. in arizona, about an hour and 1s evacuated. the fire is only one person contained and is burned more than 20,000 acres. >> i'll be honest, it's the worst feeling in my life. to know my home may not be there when i get back.

>> the fire has raced across almost 50,000 anchors, destroyed almost a dozen homes and is only 10% contained. within 6000 firefighters were on the ground trying to up the containment numbers. in california, the hellfire, 20f los angeles has burned nearly 6000 anchors. donica leckie's house burned to the ground monday night. the biggest problems across the region are the conditions. >> heather: in the next hour of "happening now," more chaos. some call this a ruse to justify

a tougher crackdown on the opposition. wounded veterans team up with scientist to regrow the barrier reef. what this could mean for the ecosystem and the veterans doing the work. coming up.

>> jon: we are back in an hour "outnumbered" starts right now. >> meghan: fox news alert. the votes are just not there. senate republicans inking the health care bill after nine republicans announced their opposition. this senate republicans have reportedly been tasked with reaching a new health care agreement by friday. can they do it? this as "outnumbered," i meghan mccain. here today, kennedy, coast of after the bell, melissa francis, marie harf and today's #oneluckyguy, the opinion editor of the washington times and fox news contributor, mr. charlie hurt. your back and you're

outnumbered. >> charlie: it's good to be here. >> meghan: nice to have you back. let's jump into it. let's begin, mitch mcconnell could only afford to lose two members of his own party, but despite a big push, nine republican senators have lined up against the measure to replace obamacare. now we are hearing that they reportedly have been given their marching orders to have a new draft by friday. this after president trump meeting with nearly all g.o.p. senators at the white house yesterday encouraging them to get the deal done. mr. trump later tweeting i just finished a great meeting with the republican senators concerning health care. they really want to get it right, mike obamacare. >> the half of republicans that hated our conservatives like myself who went to rally after rally after rally saying we were going to repeal obamacare and now we are not repealing it, we are keeping it.