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revolution. i'm going to nerd out so hard you can't believe it. >> go get the popcorn. were going to bring in the panel in a few minutes. first, who better to talk to about these things than senator ben from nebraska who is the author of the book vanishing american adults are coming up and how to build a culture of self reliance. thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. what are your reflections about the fourth of july liberty? >> like lots of midwestern farm kids, fourth of july memory start with firecracker firecracd toasts. on liberty one of the great things about the fourth of july's pausing and remembering that we need to do basic civics with our kids again. america's mostly not about government. america is mostly about community.

it's more about country music lyricsnd barbecuing in the backyard and plan little league sports with the neighborhood kids than it is about the federal register. the fourth of july is not centered in washington, d.c. it's in every community in america. >> we remember the famous line from ben franklin when he says, a republic "if you can keep it". that relates to the constitution at the declaration. certainly the people of the found a new this was an advanced placement citizenship. you have to have a important culture to have a liberty of this degree. >> also. fundamentally the american constitution is the most amazing political document ever written. because it's a negative document. the constitution's point is not to tell you what rights they give you. it's we the people tell you what the powers it has because we believe rights come from god in nature and government is our share project to secure those rights. government is not the author of those sources. they're talking about the small

republican virtue of communities and that defines the meaning of america. >> you been in washington for a while now. you're hot and heavy in the middle of the legislative debate. one of the messages you try to sent everybody's let's elevate the rhetoric and be civil. we have a bigger picture were fighting for. how do you think on this fourth of july after the horrible shootings we saw with is steve scalise being shot in his life and threatened, that gave everybody pause and washington. and now in the first fourth of july since that even at the moment to sit back and remember what the founding is about. >> well said. our prayers continue to go to school he send the family. that he fully recovers. to be honest there's a lot of realism required about how troubled our national conversation is. we have two things happening at the same time. there is a hollowing out of

local community. some of that's related to interesting things that are going to happen in the mobile digital economy. it means people are less routed to place. there is a hollowing out of that local, specially family structures. our national conversations are increasingly political. were missing that between space that is institutional america, that really defines institutional greatness is all of the things we do together by volunteerism. the not profess -- non- for profits and other places. we have feet free press, assembly, religion, right of redress or grievances in protest. all that stuff is a way saying, we want to public square defined by things and institutions and places in ways that people come together to build stuff togeth together. that's all the government can do is compel. >> as a historian, you talk

about america at the founding and talk about cultural attitudes. in your book or talk about how to reignite this fire starting with rearing children in a way that makes them able to manage this maserati of a country that we have but at the founding, what were these attitudes? over the attitudes in these communities like? >> the american founders believe something crazy. they recognize that in a broken world you're going to need order of keeping. you will need restraints and discipline. you will need governance. i found her said let's try this experiment will rethink people are created with dignity and even though the world is broken and we are sinners and our souls are fractured and art people who want to take your life, liberty and stuff, we think it's possible to have a communi based on self-restraint, self-control and self-discipline.

that's the key. our founders really believed that you can have a big public square that was defined by the culture. and by universal human dignity. also by workers rather than governance. frankly, were doing a crappy job of teaching civics right now. we need to recover that sense of what smaller america is about. >> when were talking to parents wondering what to pass on to their children you're using your children as an example of how they're getting things. how they're trying to teach them. what a your best tips or tricks for parents that want their children to grow up knowing about the greatness of the founding fathers? >> the vanishing american adult does not purport to say that my family and i are good at this stuff. my wife and i have a shared

theory but which had to do. i'm one of only five people in the center who hasn't been a politician before. i have three kids ranging in age. we have a fundamental belief that it's our job and that we have a calling to turn our kids into workers. ultimately they'll be satisfied as adults if they're serving their neighbor and work that benefits their community. were trying to take the training wheels off and try to help them become independent adults. that's about being producers and workers in good neighbors, not about consuming. were trying to figure out how to build the work ethic and your kids. we don't want to avoid tough stuff. we think start tissue is the future of -- >> i like it when you sent her daughters to the cattle ranch.

that brought back memories to me. >> i'm assume you've won the rubber glove echoes up to the shoulder. >> just once. my cousin took over the. >> thank you so much. happy fourth of july. >> we have to take a break. next in the 241 years since independence day, 1776 what has happened to the fabric of america? other more pack passions and partition ship now? our panel sarah is confident. destroy. but when it comes to mortgages, she's less confident. fortunately, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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>> let's bring in an oppressive altar you what panel. we have the chair of calvin clute coolidge foundation. the author of four new york times bestsellers including coolidge, a full-length biography of the president and most recently contributed to the anthology, when life strikes the president. diane writes the column for the wall street journal and the deputy editorial page editor of fox contributor. richard historian and editor of the national review says what with the founders do? our question, their answers. welcome. were glad to have you with us. on a celebratory note for the

fourth of july. this is a panel of distinction. >> i cannot believe you would jeopardize your good standing to be with us today. i think i'm glad that you don't have better agents. >> it's an interesting time in america. people probably more engaged in the goings-on in the country than to have been in a couple of generations, i think that's true. but you as a historian could tell me where do you think people are seen the country for the state of it? >> the fourth of july? this one. >> look, i think we've had a bubble from pearl harbor to vietnam of national unity and national consensus relatively speaking. and then the vietnam war began to break another things broke it further and now everybody says or politics is terrible.

what is really going back to the norm. if you have frantic, paranoid out there politics you have to go back to the 18th century. we still have not caught up to them. >> would you agree with that? >> yes. if you look back, were talking this week about insult the president said to a lady on television. they used to put editors in jail where they died around the time of the alien -- act of writing and your newspapers. that's what happened in the philadelphia story. we have to put in perspective. americans can be nasty. it's not always great but it has happened before. >> what i wonder and you wrote about this eloquently when he talked about the vision of the founders as we got to the civil war and about how the warning of

the founders, specially washington, special at this moment 1776 was that this was a great thing but faction could ruin it. their word for partisanship, are we had appoints and stimulating the point that you made but it's been much worse and you from cleveland, we've seen tougher times and these in the united states. is faction endangering the founders vision? >> it could get to that point. especially since the founders were acutely aware of the danger of factions. that they were inconsolable that was the whole point is that guarding against groups of people getting overcome by passions and impulses in which they impede the rights of other people. constitution and a way of boarde with checks and balances.

they were trying to create a structure of government that would prevent factions from overwhelming the political process. good question today whether we don't have factions now that are pushing the political process away and just insisting on getting their way. >> cannot the very founders who saw this danger i made no provision for political parties. and i never thought there would >> they have been so far. one value to factions as

unorthodox as it may be to say is do factions brand-new ideas. what affection really is is a group saying i have not been heard yet. and sometimes they scream across at one another, if those ideas are heard then there's moving forward there is moving for from john quincy adams to andrew jackson. but some of things he had to say and did were part for the country vis-à-vis the central bank. sometimes it has to get loud for it to be heard. that's the american process. >> that's interesting. in my lifetime you can see that. i remember when i worked for president bush used to say that people think were divided now, they have no idea what it was like. he was talking about when he came out of college and that's when the vietnam war was at its height and what was happening across the country then. i'm wondering if there's lessons from the founders on how we could get along and understand

the founding document was something has been in place for over 200 some odd years. >> it depends on what is worth fighting for. if you're going to have warfare, the question is is it worth it. slavery seems to be worth it. both to its defenders into its opponents. wars, even foreign wars can raise the temperature very high. the first two-party system in this country which was republicans, not the gop's but jefferson's party was heated up by the french revolution. the first 25 years of this country coincided with the wars of the french revolution. so we are little country on the edge of two superpowers duking it out over ideological reasons.

it's affected are discourse and race temperatures. and yet we have the rancor now but i don't see that is the cause. there's nothing out there that should be causing that here. >> you mention federalist and i can't believe were talking about this on television. >> but, one of the dangers presented about faction and partisanship was presented opportunity for hostile foreign powers. we have watched russia exploit faction in the united states and democrs and republicans should've responded as they wish they probably got what they wanted. >> yes the russian meddling is an insight into the weakness of

democracy. they've gone and there using social media, fake news, their own website to drive the ideas that inflame passion and disrupt an election. they've done in france, germany and here. the question is whether we can develop the mechanisms to prevent that using modern technology to drive the passion that words suggesting have been common to our country the social media have elevated in a way we've never experienced before. >> we can also heal. >> coming up, what the founding fathers have to say about the social media obsessed culture in which founder would have the best twitter skill. constipated? trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief.

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open. it was carrying 267 passengers all injuries are considered minor. president trump is making a weekend push for healthcare we form. he wants a senate bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. the pad ministration hopes to have ait vote once law makers return from recess. i'm marianne rafferty. >> were back. and whether you want to or not let's talk about social media. it played a major role in the 2016 election. >> imagine if i was available to our founding fathers how would've it been used in 1776? richard you had a question about this the other day.

>> the winner would have been benjamin franklin. he was a media creator, he was a pull-up publisher of newspapers and the avant-garde of his day. all of those little sayings we remember the poor richard almanac saying, those were twitter size things that he dropped into his almanac as stores. so he knew how to write type. >> would have been no problem for him? >> no. john adams -- [laughter] i think most of them would've had a big problem. the vocabulary was bigger. >> jefferson writes frequently on the declaration of independence he's talking about -- he's taken about 12 characters there. i think my pick would have been patrick henry. >> why? >> give me liberty or give me death. probably only hundred characte

characters. there is an emerging. i think an anti- federalist would've been best suited because passion, the passions that animated the discussions were in new york afr the declaration before everybody saw hamilton so now we and talk about the founding again. at the passions were running high in the city as people talked about independence they talked about the country should look at. but the anti- federalist definitely had a passion at least as much or more than what these guys had. >> that's correct. you can be short you just say no. so that's the fun of the back-and-forth. i want to intrude a non- framer into the competition. coolidge was the most short spoken of the presidents. a famous story where a lady asked him and said i bet i could

get you to say more than two words tonight and he said, you lose. so i think he is king twitter man. >> born for twitter. >> might be the only people at this table, i'm a pro social media person. i recognize is false and i've been on the receiving end of a lot of attacks. i actually find it a great way to share information quickly and to find out what people are thinking. do you think the fathers would have liked that people were talking and sharing all this information? >> these men were concerned to get their ideas out there. franklin was not the only publisher. sam adams was a publisher, adams which founded the post which is still publishing. they were journalism. newspapers were the medium they had and they exploited that.

if they came back now they be watching this and sitting down and figuring out how to use this. >> i'm more critical of social media, i think one of the things that it does a lot of group reinforcement. it drives people in different directions and has a lot to do with the polarization we see in politics today. the thing about the founding fathers as they argued with one another. once jefferson told madison he was mad at hamilton about something and said take up to pen and cut into ribbons. today, the founders knew how to compromise ultimately. that was a point of the constitution. today, i think social media makes it difficult for the factions to compromise. they're so reinforced that they only talk to each other. >> and you read about this when

you talk about the great depression and the environment in the united states at that moment. we used to have partisan media too. the newspapers in the 1930s or if we talk about human long and the rise of this very sort of, guess i can say anti- american popular sentiment that was sweeping through the united states in the 1930s. we have kinda been here before. >> absolutely. maybe the changes in the media but the 17th a memo to the when we moved away from a republic and away from representative government. we got more populist. twitter is a feature of that

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welcome back to the special edition of i'll tell you what. let's get into how american trust the media and how congress has changed over the years. i have this chart, this is pugh, they've been doing a survey about people's trust in government over time and this shows from eisenhower until today how the trust in

government overall has continued to decline. what you make of that and what with the founders think. >> commerce jefferson, when he is writing the kentucky resolve at the end of the 18th century and he's very worried about what the atoms administration is doing, he says that we shouldn't have confidence in government. we should have suspicion. don't talk about confidence in government. that's the wrong language to use. i suppose he would look at that chart and say great. >> people are wakingekñ?ñ?ñ up d that's not ahiñ?ñ? bad thing. people should have a little suspicion. >> they certainly do havenyñ?ñ?t and that's not just in government. we have this, confidence andqoñ? institution shows the military is at 96%, the supreme courtñ?ñt 83%, the fbi 55%.

what do you think. >> if you've got the irs in the top four, that's not right. n what was the draft? we criticize all the time, the military don't want it, the big general say it's a waste of time and energy, but unifying factor in a country that brought the coming apart people together in an experience so they kind of had a common american thing. that is gone.knñ?ñ has been gone for a long time, since the 60s. what do young people haveañ?ñ? n common but finding one another on the internet. >> let ?ñ?e ask you a question,o one can fully answer,çñ?ñ?. why,csñ?ñ? alexis tried to answr this, why do the$]ñ?ñ? american

revolution succeedé÷ñ?ñ? where e french revolution failed? ?ñ?? >> i think the answer is the nature of the american revolution versus what has gone on in europe. to bring us up to the moment, the united states was about 13 seconds separate callings when it was forming. they were extremely proud of the states theytzñ?ñ?ñ lived in. europe has never had that tradition. it's always been the state, france, england. trusting government has a lot to do with what we mean by government and what we mean is the national government. people don't distrust their town halls or town communities. over the past 50 years, people have become much like they were back at the time of the fmmrw5nkdçm#c

what was the central government then? it was the government in england. that's what they were fighting against. i think the more we have moved toward a strong federal government, the more people who have clung to this distrust, this power far away in washington. >> but to pick up your point about france versus our revolution, the man who wrote the constitution was in paris when the best deal fell and he stayed there through the reign of terror. he saw the whole thing. of people and he said early on, the french want to an american form of government withoutnññ?ñ reflectg that they don't have americans to support it=zñ?ñ?ñ?ñ?. his whole thing was that americans have had experienceuó? with self-government, even in colonial times. there was an every legislature. >> and then there were towns and whatnot. bne of the reasons we were so mad was thatrúñ?ñ? we had benef?

the benign neglect of the crown for quite a while. >> and then all of a sudden they said pay this tax. >> i keep bringing coolidge, but he's very close to the he wrote they betrayed england. that is the crown pretrade england by being too french. therefore we rebelled, we are part of the old anglo tradition, we, here in the colony. he saw a continuity with the local government and the more federal structure. he was such a federalist that he always pronounce the united states and plural. the united states are only as strong as each individual state. their violent only as a far as arizona isn't violent. that is exactly1ññ?ñ?. >> not these÷;ñ?ñ?ñ days.

>> but that's the point that all of us have been making.yhñ?ñ what kind of government are we trusting? in the united states there was tipping point in the 30s when the federal government became larger than the states and towns combined. that was not true until the 30s, except in war. maybe the government is too big. >> can i make one partisan point which is that the democrats and the progressives are now the party of washington and in a sense, they have become a party of london. >> those are fighting words. >> in addition, what did we see this week? president trump accepted an invitation from president mike brown of france and he will be going to the best deal they celebration in paris. >> that's quite a turnaround. >> basically, how much do you think the revolutionaries saw themselves as a magna carta.

how much do they see themselves as part of this tradition going backjvñ?ñ? to freemen and representation and all that jazz. >> they thought their rights as englishmen were being taken away from them, but i think they were also envisioning something new. they were in a new continent. they were in a new world so they were looking back but they were also looking ahead. >> very interesting. kind of like we look at mars. >> the climate is better. >> all right. stating because our news and history quiz is coming up. we will test the knowledge of independence day and american independence day and american history.

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welcome back. we will lighten it up for a couple minutes. >> it's time for our patented never been approved news quiz and our first question goes to richard. now, america, you might wonder how you would have trivia questions on independence day for one of america's foremost scholars of that period of time, and we will defeat you in

another way. >> tiny addison texas, outside of dallas is home to kaboom town. one of the largest fireworks demonstration. the 3500-pound 25 minute fiesta of kaboom.hññ?ñ? how manyqdñ?ñ attendees are expd at this year's show? 25000, 75000, 125,000 or 400,000? >> 75000. >> you have not been in texas recently enough. 400,000 human beings are expected to gather on the planes on monday to watch kaboom town. >> that is the biggest festival. richard, your second question, in 1940, both, incumbentoyñ?ñ? franklin delano roosevelt adopted which patriotic song, both of them, as their own official anthem.

>> was at my country 'tis of the, yankee doodle dandy, god bless america or this land is your ?ñ?ñ? land? >> yankee doodle dandy. >> god bless america. kateñ?ñ? smith, and by the way,l of the proceeds from god bless america go to the boy scouts and girl scouts. it was all dedicated to that. we defeated richard burke houser. what you got. >> question number one, revolutionary rival and then later friends, don adams and thomas jefferson died hours apart in 1826. years later another president died on the fourth of july. who was it. was it james madison, james monroe, james buchanan or james garfield. >> it was fr munro. >> nice. >> i told you she was going to get itábñ?ñ?ñ.

>> the star-spangled banner has always been the national anthem of the united states. what year did his verse become the national song. 1814, 1862, 1917 or 1971. >> that's a trick because it was written around 1814. let's take a later year. for the bc. >> it's actually d, 1931. >> woodrow wilson pushed it during world war i, obviously my country 'tis of the is a better song. >> no star-spangled banner is a better song. the anthem shouldn't be easy. >> but if you've ever heard me sing a star-spangled banner, when it gets him into those notes, everyone says turn away. >> that's the only one everybody knows it because of baseball. are you ready to rumble. >> i'm ready. >> here we go here comes. >> how many signatories were there to the declaration of

independence. thirteen,oññ?ñ 26, 56 or 134. >> 26. >> 56, in fact. we tricked you because i thought maybe you would think it was two from each state. i'm rather pleased with myself onhat one. >> and finally, according to a study conducted by the national atmospheric association, the atmosphere takes a hit from all the fireworks. what percentage decrease in air quality did scientists say resulted from the estimated 285 million pounds of pyrotechnics set off around the holidays. was it a, 5%, b, 17, see 28% or d42%. >> was this before or after the obama presidency. >> 42%.añ?ñ? what could be more american than

throwing7cñ?ñ 285 million poundo the atmosphere. >> it's only one dayllñ?ñ? a yer though.4÷ñ?ñ? >> if we have a little bit of time, can you tell us about the event you have coming up. >> we want to invite any coolidge fan who wants to pay respect to the 30th president to come to vermont. it's not far from the ski resort. enjoy our naturalization with new citizens were becoming americans on the fourth of july which is alsob]ñ?ñ president coolidge's birthday. 10:00 a.m., you can drive west or east. it's notñyñ?ñ hard to get to ane do sing god blessg÷ñ?ñ? america. how many people do you think you'll have this year thatjhñ?ñl be sworn in. >> we will have 20 or:ñ?ñ?ñ so i think the audience will be about 100. >> i think that's wonderful to be naturalized as;2ñ?ñ?ñ a citin america's birthday. i think that's amazing. that's a great eventmñ?ñ?. >> i think every american should

see an naturalization ceremony. it's beautiful. >> the best one i saw was with walter reed during the iraq and afghistantpñ?ñ? war. >> stay with atsñ?ñ spread nexti will try to dump them with two trivia questions on the declaration of independence.&zññ new bike? yeah, 'cause i got allstate. if you total your new bike,

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how many signers of the declaration of independence later went on to become president of the united states. as we knowoñ?ñ they were 56 sig. >> i'm gonna go with three. is that correct? >> no, there was only two. washington didn't sign? >> he was fighting. >> he was not present. doug, he was busy. but jefferson and adams. now i am shamefaced in front of richard. i feel terrible. >> you are asked me about god bless america and fireworks. >> i probably should've come up with a more difficult question pretty wasight the firt ti. he started at two and pushed it to three.

>> but you can explain about the declaration, the word independence is actually not in the document. >> we talked about this earlier, abraham lincoln, no political idea that he ever held did not spring directly from the declaration of independence but you can really hammered down to that one phrase, the american creed that we should all call the american creed that we hold these truths to be self evident that we are endowed by god with certain inalienable rights. among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. that's america right there. >> and you did it just in the neck of time. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. were so glad you joined us for this independence weekend. also you, don't forget to check out our podcast. we have every week. i will tell you what is available on itunes and you can download it right from foxnew foxnews.com/ps podcast.

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