after dark. make sure you follow us on twitter and facebook. 11:00 will never be the same. good night, everybody. ♪ >> well, good evening, and welcome to tucker carlson tonight.he another day, another installment. this one an unexpected plot twist. earlier today, donald trump junior released an email exchange he had last summer with an english publicist named ron goldstone. he offered trump a meeting with a russian lawyer named natalia veselnitskaya. she claimed she had incriminating informationfo abot hillary clinton and her dealings with russia. he took the day and met with veselnitskaya and complained later that she had nothing interesting to say during the meeting, and instead just talk

aboutia russian adoption law. goldstone, meanwhile, email to trump junior without any information to support it. that the russian government supported his father's presidential campaign. he released all of those emails around noon today, and in minutes they swung into action to accuse him of betraying his country. >> we are now beyond obstruction of justice in terms of what'snv being investigated. this is moving into perjury, false statements, and potentially treason. >> tucker: so according to a member of congress, gossiping with foreigners amounts to treason innt america, even if no information is exchanged. you ought to consider that if you invite an exchange student to live in your house. later tonight, donald trump, jr., will be going on to "hannity" to explain his side of things. >> obviously my take away, when this was going on, someone has information on our opponent.

whenat things are going a millin knotson an hour, you know what it's like to to run a campaign. and, i've heard about all these things, but maybe this is something. i should l hear him out. >> did you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even remembered it until we start scouring through the stuff. it was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which is the same. >> tucker: this whole interview airs just ahead at ten, and you can decide whatec u think, but before that, consider what we know now of what donald trump, jr., did. a publicist says his client has damaging information about a political point opponent. he met with the client, and apparentlyno learned nothing during the meeting. for that he is an enemy of the state guilty of a capital crime. we haveou reached a new level of hysteria that could mean trouble for a lot of people not just a trump family. most of them, probably, it's

going on right now as we speak d.c.zens of restaurants in literally all over the city because that is standard here and has been for a long time. by these new standards all of these people are facing the possibility of lethal injection. they ought to be worried about that.he here's the most interesting thing about today's story. what's the most changing information this publicist offered donald trump junior? according to the email we saw today, "official documents and information i would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia." earlier today, the russian lawyer in question says the only question she got from donald trump, jr., during that meeting was whether the dnc had received illegal funding fromng russiaia. so, in other words, the trump people believe the hillary people were colluding with russia. meanwhile, the hillary people thought the trump people were doing the same thing. each side while the other was in bed with vladimir putin. it's like a comedy sketch. item would be funny if the

democratsy were suddenly talkig about death penalty sentences. is this a death penalty offense? >> it does certainly suggest a willingness on those associated with trump particular his son ho collude. >> is receiving information the same as colluding? >> it could be so construed, but the point is, the problem with the whole scenario about collusion suggested by this is apparently no information was exchanged. no information was obtained. so, if you take the negative interpretation, the collusion didn't occur, at least so far as we know. now, if it turns out that down the road that out of this meeting things turn out that we hadn't heard about, and something did come of it, information was provided courtesy of the kremlin, that would be a different matter entirely. so far, we don't have that.

so far we only have a meeting that went nowhere, and suggest a certain level of naivete at least on thehe part of young mr. trump, who should have known if he gets an approach from what appears to be the putin government, he should be careful to take the meeting. wouldn't you love to hear what the campaign campaign manager has to say? he was in the meeting. jared kushner was there too. he got up and left. palmetto fort was on his telephone the whole time, and not paying attention. nevertheless, he has been around a long time. he would know that what might be an approach from a foreign government is something you have to be careful with. which mr. trump did not realize. >> tucker: there's a lot of foreign influence on u.s. government policy going on in washington all the time. everyone i know has taken money from foreign governmentsfr it

seems like. russia is on thee top ten list. obviously ambassadors are over here as we are inun their countries for the purpose of protecting interests and affecting policies of those governments. the russian ambassador has been a man in washington, and the one with whom some of the trump people had some meetings was in that vein. the last time i was in the senate dining room, he was having lunch in there with diane feinstein discussing who knows what. contacts are one thing, and they are not bothered until legitimate, but someone acting during a presidential campaign on the behalf ofen a foreign government, seeking to help one candidate against another and influence to campaign in that direction, that is something we have to be concerned about. the thing is, it doesn't appear to have come to anything. >> tucker: >> tucker: what so s,

the trump campaign clearly believed in the russian lawyer and her publicist in england. campaign was colluding with russia. it does seem like both sides thought the same thing of the other. because that's one of the amusing ironies of this whole thing, each side the other was guilty of playing pattych cake with the russian interests. >>ty tucker: is there an investigation with the hillary people were colluding with the russian government? >> who knows? what investigations are going on inside the justice department, whatever direction he chooses to take them, we have no evidence so far that any alleged hillary clinton campaign collusion with the russians is a piece of it but who knows? >> tucker: what would be so fun, since we are on this topic and we are all on the lookout for provocateurs from foreign countries, to get forensics about what for american politics are influenced by foreign governments. what kind of money changes hands info washington? how many people are registered

on behalf of foreign governments, legally or not. there's a lot of that. >> i one of the people in this town who have come to take a somewhat contrarian view about lobbying. lobbying is a constitutionally protected practice. it is seeking agreements, aggressive grievances. if we didn't have something that reached into every corner in every nook and cranny of people's lives we wouldn't have the squads of lobbyists we have in this town. a lot of cases what they are here for his self-defense. a lot of cases what they are t here for is to protect government subsidies that may be coming, or other benefits that may be flowing to the entities that they represent but it is a perfectly natural -- and very often when congress is in one of fits best if the lobbyists who saved the day by warning that if you go there this is what's going to happen. let's hear it for the lobbyists

and to some extent for ambassadors. >> tucker: [laughs] that is a contrary view! thank you. >> you bet, tucker. >> tucker: sabotaging u.s. elections and eating children aren't russians only foreign policy goals, they are also firmly committed to fighting i says, which they are doing and now it appears possible that russian forces may have moved ahead of isis, they have said that they have "confirmed information" pointing to the death of al-baghdadi. it could be a big victory in the war on terror. so why aren't we more excited about it and should we be willing to work with russia against extremist? thanks for coming on. >> glad to be here, and for the record, maybe your friends take money from foreign government, i don't, and my friends don't. >> tucker: i hope they don't, it's appalling how much that happens and it's appalling how muchds of our policy is influen. the saudis are dead set against iran and they have a reason to be, but i'm hearing a lotce of

people in washington -- a lot of people in washington state may be defeating isis is in such a victory. with also focused on defeating the terror threat involving isis and now all of a sudden iran is the real problem, why shouldn't we take a moment to celebrate the potential death of al-baghdadi? >> we should. i would not jump toad conclusios that the russians killed him. they actually walked back their claim that they killed him. if you look at the timelines, the odds are pretty good that if he dead, and let's hope he is dead, he was killed by a coalition-backed aircraft. the russians in syria have been bombing hospitals, clinics, refugee columns, schools, and by the way, they've been bombing people we've been supporting, whereas we've been taking care of isis, and we've done a good job. >> tucker: i have no trouble leaving anything that you just said. >> if you want an alliance with

them? >> tucker: i don't know why we wouldn't. when you have a power like russia, which obviously -- have some that mind here, they've lost a lot of people to terrorism, why wouldn't we chair them on in their effort to stamp it out? >> certainly we would, but we can't have an anti-terror alliance with terrorists, whichb is what the russians are, they are not islamic terrorist and they hate the united states of america. cheyagain, bombing hospitals, clinics, schools. murdering dissidents and journalists at home and abroad? >> tucker: you don't know that..ur >> we have nothing in common with the russians. >> tucker: more or less than we do with the saudis? h they are our main allies. >> they are not my main ally. i was warning about the saudis decades ago. you can read what ib wrote about them.. the problem with iran, -- we alienated just about everybody and now we have iran building an empire that will stretch from

western afghanistan to the mediterranean. we've been doing a great job fighting isis, with got the iraqis moving the right godirection. when isis is defeated, and it will be defeated and crushed, the caliphate essentially is no more. when it is, we will not be welcome but the iranians will be because we have never had a strategy, we don't have a strategy and we won't because we play jailbird checkers in the iranians and the russians play chess. >> tucker: i'm a little bit confusedn on a couple fronts. we had over 3,000 americans killed in this country by about a dozen acts of terror in the last 16 years, none of them -- all of them by sunni extremists. we face of massive threat from sunni terrorists supported by saudi arabia and all these countries we say are our friends. if we are so afraid of iran than what we kill saddam hussein, thereby empowering iran? why the same people who supported that stupid act now

advocating for a war with iran? >> i personally don't know anybody who's advocating for a war i with iran. >> tucker: i do. i know a lot of people. >> you know different people than i do. i know people that think we have to eventually stand up to the iranians. thenk outright cowardice and shameful treatment for our sailors, for which john kerry thanked the iranians. the middle east is a very, very complex war. we refused to think clearly about it a and honestly about i. just as you pointed out, nonk americans have been killed in the united states by shia terrorists. our president just went to so saudi arabia and praised the saudis to the skies. our president seems determinedns to do anything he can with the russians and the russians hate -- vladimir putin hates us. he is malevolent and he is as close to pure evil as i can find. he's also brilliant.t. ii don't understand what any

american would want an alliance with russia. we should be strengthening our alliance with democracies instead of trashing nato we should be building it up much more strongly. why attack australia? why attack canada? >> tucker: it's hard to see why -- i'm not vouching for putin's character, he seems like a shady guy, we want to live there. hard to see why he's a threat was. how many people can we be in opposition to it once? why not just accept that people who are bad people have similar interests and side with them? >> they haven't attacked us. >> tucker: i beg your pardon? you cannot compare me to somebody who makes apologies for hitler. >> i think putin -- fine, you can think it's insane all you want. >> tucker: just up compared me to a nazi apologist because i asked the question. which is, why not contravene americanec interest with a group trying to kill isis?

>> he assassinates dissidents and journalists, he bonds women and children on purpose in syria, he is as bad as hitler. if you don't i like the charles lindbergh -- i will retract that, but you sound like someone in the 1938 saying what has he done to us? >> tucker: i would hate to go back and read your columns assuring america that taking out saddam hussein will make the region calmer, more peaceful, and america safer, when in fact it has been the opposite and it has empowered russia and iran, the two countries you say you fear most -- let's be totally honest, we don't always know the outcomes. they are not entirely so maybe we should lower that a little bit rather than calling people accommodationist. >> you made your career being an american conservative patriot and now you're suddenly y cheerg for vladimir putin?

>> tucker: i'm not in any sense cheering for vladimir putin. i'm cheering foree america as always. our interest ought to come first and to the extent that making temporary alliances with other countries serve our interests, i met in favor of that. making sweeping moral claims comparing people to hitlerur blinds us to reality. >> he hates america, he wants to hurt us. suddenly vladimir putin is a good guy, russia is okay, no it's not. >> tucker: we cannot in any way do business or make common cause with a country whose leader is "evil." most countries are won by really bad people. >> you are talking about alliance, an anti-terror alliance. >> tucker: first, cheering on any attacks made by russia against our moral attack against isis. i'm not taking money from the guy, but a good date is a good deed no matter who commits it. why not just admit that?

>> he's attacking, he's attacking the anti-assad. while letting us fight isis. >> tucker: do you speak arrogant by the way? >> no i don't. howw is your russian? >> tucker: nonexistent, but i'm not claiming to talk about groups about whom i know very little, i bet you are in that category, saying that they are serving the interest of freedomi or democracy or american interest -- we know very little about them and some of them are truly bad people. >> we are not backing the very bad people. is he a good guy? >> tucker: i don't know. >> tucker: who we protected! >> we are aligning with iran, we are aligning with assad. do you think iran is good for american interest? >> tucker: i think iran is a bad country in a lot of ways, but when it's in the context of

syria, assad was much better for america than the people i believe you hope to replace them with. the kurds are going to run syria? >> they will have their independence. i'm not going to break it up. >> tucker: does it work so in iraq? >> it hasn't broken up get on the problem with iraq wasn't 2003 when we had the chance we didn't break it up. >> tucker: we didn't break it up. last question, would you, knowing what you know now, i hate to revisit this, but since you brought it up, knowing what you know now that supposing saddam, his subsequent death empowered iran dramatically, we help them gain traction, do you think that was a wise idea and do you think there are t any lessons going forward -- maybe when you take out a secular leader? >> that is a valid point you can make. in 2003 we did a great thing inexcusably badly. there's a lot of reasons for it,

we believe any iraqi who spoke english with an accent -- again, our intentions were great but if i had to do it over again, no i would not get rid of saddam hussein because we hadn't bought it through. >>t tucker: you're confident we've thought through what comes after assad, who has run the country for decades, pretty peacefully actually? >> killing your own people probably doesn't mean you should remain in charge. >> tucker: i'm not making apologies. i'm not. >> it sounds like you are sitting here making apologies. >> tucker: because i'm actual questions, -- that is a conversation stopper, not a beginning of a rational conversation. my only point is when syria was run by assad 10% of the population was christian and they lived in relative peace. >> that is absolutely true and it's also true that his father killedan 30,000 more people, but what has happened?

let's be fair, barack obama -- sheer trepidation, cowardice, the inability to ever make a decision, but we are where we are with half a million, perhaps more by no commissaryer instead. primarily killed by the assad regime, the iranians, hezbollah and now the russians. and yet you want us to ally with the russians, with iran, with assad? >> tucker: i want to act in america's interest and stop making shallow, sweeping claims about countries we don't fully understand and hope everything will be fine in the end. i saw that happen and it didn't work. >> you just did that! >> tucker: i'm not saying that. i'm saying if we don't takeou actual steps to kill people who are threat was i'm goingsa to stand back and applied. >> default in your logic is that assad, the russians are killing the anti-assad forces. >> tucker: you haven't explained why americans should

be terrified by iran or assad. i think american should act in the interest of their own country, the number one job they have. >> you couldn't answer me on putin so you seemed might change the subject. i want to know why you think vladimir putin is okay. >> tucker: i don't think he's okay, i think it's great that he's fighting isis. >> you want a alliance with russia. >> tucker: bombs against isis, unfortunately we are out of time. thank you for joining us, a spirited conversation. president trump has been in office six months, the russia story not going away. up next we will talk to scott adams to see if the story is actually helping trump. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600

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>> tucker: democrats keep hammering donald trump on russia in the 2016 election, and entire cablemm channels devoted to it. cartoonist playing into the president's hands. scott adams is the creator of the comic strip dilbert. he spent the last two years writing extensively about the persuasive style of donald trump explaining why he seems to be winning despite repeated setbacks. you the king of counter intuition, why is the russiaco stuff good for trump do you think? >> look at the story arc so far, if you are on the left,

especially as a bernie supporter, you started out with bernie is going to fix everything, that didn't work out but at least we have hillary. and then that didn't work out but at least we have this accusation that we accidentally somehow elected hitler without noticing it so we will march in the streets and i will get rid of him. the presence of doing anything thatno wasn't presidential, he just sort of did what presidents do. they had this russian thing and they were throwing everything out it, there's enough smoke, they must be fire there, but it seems like it was mostly smoke. but until recently it was sort of working a little bit and then tillerson did this incredible reframing for he said after the g20 he said we are going too focus on the future and movingfo forward and what that did was id redefined the left, their opponents, as the zombie lawyers for focusing on the past while thee administration is working n fixing north korea and isis in health care and all these important things while the zombie lawyers are looking for maybe a family member had an

error on some paperwork. that's what they are reducedme , i don't think he filled out that form right. >> tucker: [laughs] what's a zombie lawyer? >> if you have enough lawyers and>> you can't stop them, more being hired and more coming at, it doesn't feel like they have a living purpose, it just feels like there is some forceli you can't stop but they're not doing anything useful. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm laughing because, like most of our viewers, i live that scenario repeatedly. the news today that donald trump, jr., had a meeting with a lawyer from russia whose connection to the kremlin are unclear, may not exist, i don't know, and they talked, or he thought they were going to talk about dirt on hillary t clinton. that dominate the news today completely. give us some perspective on that, is that a big story or no? >> let me give you some context that ordinary people don't know,

that celebrities, people who do what you and i do know and donald trump, jr., knows. one is that we meet a lot of people and if you ask me to fill out how many people do you know who are born in england in the last 20 years that you talk to? the last two years, i wouldn't be able to do that. the other thing is that the key to this story is a british publicist i understand. if ever there was anybody you could invent for a movie who was supposed to be the least credible person who couldpp ever concoct, how about a british publicist? if a regular person hears from a publicist, we got thiser thing,i ethink while there is something to it. if you are don, jr., and you s live in this world and a british publicist says i have something, the only thing you really think of is i will find out what they have to say it becauses everything this guy said, not so credible. i can imagine that he was going

into the meeting thinking that with a publicist told him was actually accurate because it would be the first time a publicist ever said something accurate, because it's not their job. their job is to exaggerate. a little context that the so stupid viewers maybe don't have that you and i and don, jr., will share. >> tucker: some of my favorite people are british publicist by the way, but accuracy maybe not one of the strong suits. that's fantastic, thanks for joining us tonight. >> pleasure. >> tucker: up next, california may soon become the country's first sanctuary state. or federal immigration law doesn't apply and is openly resistant, civil war anyone? up next we will talk withnl someone who says this move is disastrous, it's a middle finger to the administration. that conversation next.

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>> tucker: an update tonight from the democratic people's withoc the bay area. a few minutes ago we told about a terrifying robbery on a commuter train, a subway in the bay area in which a mob of 40 or more people swooped into a car, terrorized and robbed the passengers and took off and wer, never found. after the attack, they refused to release a video of any, they said some of the perpetrators were minors. how did they know that? they didn't know who they were. i will surprise you to know that the suppressing information about crime, not an effective way to fight it. the past few weeks there have

been two more instances in which mobsor have beaten up passenger. no video being released this time. why? they are telling us why. they've announced about thehe videos are being held from the public because "to release these videos would create the highest level of racially insensitive commentary and in addition it would create a racial bias in riders against minorities on trains." the public is too racist to be told what actually happened. they would rather endanger passengers than risk being called insensitive, for real. do you recognize that attitude is everywhere. the same impulse the swedish government to hide official crimee. statistics from the pubc or angela merkel to publish anyoneng who complains about it. they care far more about appearing virtuous than the well-being of their own people. they rather you are attacked and being called

bigots. they don't care about you. they admit that they don't care about you. speakingut of california, a plae that is now on the brink of becoming the country's first sanctuary state. the senate bill, 54 the number is, cleared a major hurdle. it awaits approval from a single committee and california's heavily democratic assembly, in other words, it's likely to pass. if it is that would bar federal agents from allstate jails would block them from accessing state databases for information about immigration. it's a big deal. the sheriff in california says the state effort to become a sanctuary state is not good policy, it's about sticking it to the administration. sheriff hutchins joins us tonight. give us the parameters of this, this would basically put california as a state an active opposition to federal immigration law, is that in overstatement? >> i don't think that's an

overstatement. we spent cooperating with ice and the federal government for many, many years, very cooperatively, very effectively and we are talking about serious crimes,d serious criminals who have committed a crime, they've beenen tried here, they've done their time and we've been notifying ice of these individuals so that they can go throughse deportation proceedin, senate bill 54, senator said this is the only thing he could think of to do to stop the "trump deportation machine." and that is clearly not an issue. this is a totally political issue and it does not take into account the public safety of california, which i deeply care about. that is the real issue.wh there's no need for this bill, things have been working fine without. it. the author has stated that this will prevent local law enforcement fromth doing immigration enforcement on the street. we never have done immigration enforcement on the street, we have no desire to do that.n

and we have not been asked to do that by the trump administration. so this bill would prohibit me as a sheriff from notifying ice from someone who was in country for potentially felony, driving under the influence, domestic violence, human trafficking, rape of an unconscious person. i would not be able to notify them, they would be released to the street and then what would happen if ice will go out -- it will not let these people go, they will go out and do search warrants on homes and then people who are here illegally or undocumented and have not been -- have not committed crimes, they won't get scooped up, too. this bill does not do what it says it does. it places an additional address, law enforcement, perhaps people who are here undocumented but have not committed crimes, so ice is still trying to focus on the priority enforcement, those individuals who have repeatedly

committed t offenses, reenter te country, have criminal records and the fact that we can notify them and have to release them to the street is not acceptable to me. >> it's not like illegal aliens of california are having a tough time anyway, california has more illegals than any state by far. a huge percentage of the population is there illegally, so what was the need that gave rise to this bill, or was it purely a symbolic act to the administration? >> it's a symbolic act, but more importantly it places californians at risk of being impacted by the criminals or getting released to the street. >> tucker: if the state of california can stay on mike say to the feds we are just ignoring your law, then why can't orangeen county say to the state of california we arere ignoring your law? what you abide by these terms or would you notify the feds if you apprehended an illegal? >> with already asked the question, they've asked legal

counsel and we would be subject to -- we would be subject to being prosecuted if we didn't follow state law. you make a great point, it puts us inin a terrible position of violating federal law, not cooperating with federal authorities. we work on task forces with ice, we work at sexual exploitation task force. this bill would require us to report everything we do to the attorney general of the state of california. these are very great cooperative task forces that deal a lot of crime, registered sex offenders, undocumented aliens. this would really impact our ability to fight crime in our scommunities. >> tucker: so california's cool with ignoring federal law, but ignore their laws and you areny in trouble. good luck, we will welcome you on the east coast anytime. >> thank you. thank you very much.

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>> tucker: news flash tonight, russia may actually have intervened in american politics, butt not in the way you have heard about, and amazing story. in a newly released letter republican congressmen lamar smith and randy weber say that russia is working with american environmental groups to spread misinformation. about hydraulic fracking. the goal is get a fracking ban in the u.s. which would benefit the russian energy sector. it's all about the price of gas. kevin mooney is an investigative reporter and he joins us now.

you almost couldn't make this up. they did intervene, for and on behalf of greenpeace. is that an overstatement? how did this happen? >> they know how to look out for their own interests. here's the really big bombshell, lamar smith and his colleagues who dug into this and connected the dots. russia is using a shell company in bermuda to finally company through that disperses tens of millions of dollars to their own peenvironmental organizations in the u.s. which care the word of vladimir putin to slam and spare the innovative practice of fracking, which has enabled the revolution, which as you know has really greatly bolstered america. >> tucker: and undercut russia's position in the energy market. our official position on the show is we are skeptical of all russia stories until we see the proof. the allegation is that the russian government has funneled

pretty directly to american environmental groups, how do we know that's true? >> we know it from our own intelligence community. our new site at the heritage foundation, they lay this out with a letter from lamar smith. i will even cite hillary clinton, who was secretary of state, cited phony environment groups that were being funded by the russians. she described herself as an environmentalist and expressed frustrations that the russians were propping up these organizations to advance their own interests. if the united states fracking revolution accelerates it puts russia back on their heels. >> tucker: their entire economy is built on it. at least the story has an explicable logical motive, the idea that trump got the support of putin because they're both fascists, if not a compelling tmotive. this is a clear motive that makes economic sense so it's easier to buy. is it legal? if this is true, that we learned that u.s. environmental groupsl? took money from the russian

government, is that against the law? >> that's why lamar smith and other congressmen are costing for an investigation to at least look at the financing. you're getting all these questions about how much influencee they have on donald trump, it logically follows we should look at something that has a tangible connection. it would make sense for russia to try to stop itbl in united states because if we succeed we can liberate poland and most of europe from their economic dependence on russia. >> tucker: that's the key. finally we know that there's an awful lot of anti-energy, antinatural gas, anti-fracking propaganda,f which is otherwise veryag left-wing channel. it's not like a pro-trump channel, that's for sure. are we certain that that is intentional, that the russian government wants them to spread anti-fracking propaganda to hike the price of gas? >> i think some folks are just being duped. if certain levels of the environmental movement that l my be complicit on a certain level and you have rank-and-file sincere environmentalists were

being duped and manipulated, which russia is very adept at doing. >> tucker: what i guess we are looking at here is the wholesale hacking of our environmental establishment.do >> the modern environmental movement has nothing to do with environmentalism. >> tucker: it seems like an outrage to me! thank you for that, that was fascinating. >> thanks so much. >> tucker: an open letter calling for worldwide action against fascists using violence. we've got the letter, we will show it next. ahh. where are mom and dad? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country. love mom and dad' i'm takin' a nap. dude, you just woke up! ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ geico motorcycle,

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>> tucker: an open letter published on the self-described antifascist website is calling for violence against supporters

of donald trump. the irony there. the anonymous letter was published on a site calling it's going down. calling for them to s abandon existing government institutions to create a militant anti-trump resistance willing to use force. ian miles cheong is a freelance journalist who follows the antifascist movement, he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on.as how realist this? >> 100% true. we are seeing this with a demonstration against milo at berkeley. we've seen that more recently at evergreen. we've seen it at seattle, we'd seen it in a variety of places across the united states, baltimore, mississippi where they are looming, they are sprouting like plants. it's very much real. not enough people i think are paying attention to it

unfortunately. >> tucker: are these protests, these demonstrations, in a lot of cases these riots, organized -- a dumb question, but on sites like this? >> absolutely. the site is what i would call a highly traffic platform for recruiting, radicalizing and mobilizing extremists. this is one of thebi main siteso do it. they will do something in private and then they will brag about it on the website and that encourages others to do the same. >> tucker: maybe i'm looking at this through an old-fashioned lens, but what's the ideology of this group? what do they believe? >> they are anarchists. themselves antifascist, which gives you the impression that they were -- that they were founded in the 1930s to fightth the nazis but in reality they were founded in the '80s, the modern incarnation was founded in the

'80s in europe and they are essentially just communists or anarchist groups who don't like capitalism and they want to overthrow it and that's all they believe in, violent, some of them publish independent manifestoes and all it talks about is we don't believe anything and we just want to see the system burn itself down. >> tucker: they don't seem very bright. if you hate capitalism you would be every bit as mad at hillary but they are not, kind of weird. thanks a lot, good luck, be careful. we will be right back. all radio: scorching heat today folks, stay cool out there! [ barks ] walter!

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>> tucker: that's about it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 for the show that is the sworn enem of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. in about an hour, sean hannity will have an exclusive interview with don jr. our friends at "the five" will take it from here. have a great night. ♪

>> sean: thanks to our friends on "the five." donald trump jr. is here to set the record straight about his june 2016 meeting with the russian lawyer. he will join us for an exclusive in-depth interview. that's coming up. by the way, for all the members of the destroy-trump-media thatt have to tune into my show tonight, get out your pad and pen. you may actually learn a thing orgh two. we have a message for you. maybe you want to take notes. we want to lay out the real scandals that you are not covering that you should be covering. if you were actual journalists, youth would be. let's lay out the facts of this story. that is tonight. important opening monologue. earlier today after "the