paris. it is based on the attack, production started this week. no word on when it will hit theaters, and we want to go see it. we will see you back here on "the story" tomorrow. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." an outrage bomb went off in washington last night, and by don today there was still a thick cloud of sanctimony and self-righteousness hanging over the city choking out all normal life. the cause, donald trump, jr.,'s meeting with a russian lawyer last summer. no one here had ever seen anything like that before. so they said. there was stiff competition, but the senator from connecticut may have won the highest indignation award when he suggested not only is donald trump, jr., a bad person, he may in fact be a russian spy.

>> these emails are a textbook example and evidence of criminal intent. that is potentially a violation of the espionage act. treason. >> tucker: yes, the espionage act. the very one that sent julius and ethel rosenberg to the electric chair. they stole the plans to the atomic bomb. donald trump talk to an attorney about adoption law. both massive threats to the physical and moral security of this country. cnn thought so. it's three hour morning show spent a total of two hours and 16 minutes discussing russia today. that left just under 8 minutes for the new health care bill being debated in congress and 2 minutes for sports. pretty much nothing on anything else. 93% of air time devoted to russia. keep in mind, that show was shot in new york, not in st. petersburg. mark stein is an author and a columnist, and also canadian, so he knows what a moral frenzy looks like. he joins us tonight but mark, i've never seen -- she would've

thought somebody lit a cigarette in a restaurant forgot to recycle. that level of rage. >> you want to take this seriously, that trump punk kid is headed for the electric chair. it's good enough to the rosenbergs, it's good enough for this kid. >> tucker: needless to say i agree as a responsible news man. >> look, what's interesting here is actually the right has met the left half way on this. i have no flood a lot of respect for charles krauthammer, when he says that donald trump, jr.,'s words, i love it, and the email, is evidence of collusion. the guy he's colluding with is a washed up pop music publicist. he was the publicist for john denver in the 1980s. not the american publicist. not the british publicist. he was the australian publicist for john denver in the 1980s. since then his progress to becoming the publicist for an

untalented pop star who happens to be the son of a very minor d list oligarch. i'm sure you like i follow the effort closely, as closely as cnn does. 70 minute bullet on cnn's morning show. i'm sure you follow johnny hit parade closely, but if you are going to collude -- i'm not sure even under the espionage act it's possible to bring prosecution for someone colluding with the publicist for a pop singer. i can't find that in there. >> tucker: what you've described is a crime against good taste, colluding with the australian publicist and the late john denver. >> son johnny mize >> >> centering on my shoulder makes cnn happy. >> tucker: indeed it does.

is there anything at the bottom of this? do the trumpet above anything to worry about? >> i don't think so. i think the danger here -- it's really a clash between two cocultures, tucker. one of the disfiguring aspects of american political life is that it is very reactive, very rearview mirror. everybody is extremely happy. nobody can prevent 9/11, but we are happy to investigate it for years afterwards, have a blue ribbon commission issue a 400 page report, years and years of investigation. now they want to do the same with a meeting that the president's son, a perfectly legal meeting, held with a russian lawyer. now that's reactive and legalistic and pointless. putin on the other hand is a great improviser. so even if this lawyer had no links to the kremlin to go weeks ago, she most certainly has

links to the kremlin now because she's in line for the order of linen or whatever they have these days. same thing for selling this amount of confusion and chaos in american life, which actually is -- >> tucker: that such a smart point that nobody is making, which is if you think putin's goal is to destabilize mega politics, are we offering it up to him, that opportunity, the greatest opportunity offered to him? >> and we know, by the way, what's happening here is just a routine interaction that goes on everywhere across the planet. in the last 20 years, since the collapse of the soviet union, people -- soviet commissars 20 years ago have mysteriously become multibillionaire's. you run into them all over the planet. in london they own football clubs and newspapers. respectable ones. the on respectable ones have lawyers who mysteriously crash

half a mile before the oligarch's castle he bought. and the oligarchs complain all the time that they have no idea that the people who purport to be influential in the west, i had one say to me, that's a great conversational gambit by the way if you want to go to a singles bar and said this russian oligarch said to me the other day, because it shows the chick you are a person of influence and collusion right there. and oligarch said to me a couple years ago, the first thing that happens when you land in western cities people are always saying they can perform services for a period they tell you i'm the third son of a count, or i'm elton john's accountants. you have no way of knowing which of all these people who claim to be able to perform services for you actually can do. we have here a situation where an azerbaijani pop publicist is claiming to be the cut out between vladimir putin and donald trump. now i'm all for deep cover, but

if it is the case, then vladimir putin knows enough to hire the publicist of an absolutely untalented azerbaijani pop singer, then i have no -- by the way, i don't want to hate crimes prosecution. the azerbaijani one a song contest in the year 2011. so i am -- i support azerbaijani pop music. i'm all for. but i don't want azerbaijani pop publicist diversifying into cutouts between putin and trump. because they are unlikely to be very good at it. >> tucker: the cast of characters, it's unbelievable. it's like closing time in the sleaziest bar. it is. >> it's the sleaziest bar, if i'm right that's the capital of azerbaijani. it ought to be -- it ought to be a stand, but all the stand names were taken. if you are in the capital and you want to become a pop singer,

a sleazy bar is a good place to find a couple of singers, tucker. there we are. [laughs] mission accomplished. you don't get this coverage on the cnn morning show. >> tucker: no you don't. and that's why we ruining. thanks, mark scott hammond is drawing unwelcome attention tonight after he posted a violent and deranged tirade against the president on facebook. representative hammond said he was just having a sarcastic exchange with an old friend when he said among other things this, "you people are destroying america. some of us are educated and actually follow current events. 100% of intelligent americans agreed trump is a complete loser. go back to clinging to your guns because you are afraid. expletive deleted here." it's not only trump supporters who can talk like complete a holes, all matching done expletive's word for it. he's a half term president at

most, here's the key point. especially if i ever get within 10 feet of that expletive. radio show host in boston, he joins us. how way, this guy has got to be a right-wing evangelical because he is threatening violence and that's the only group that does that, right? >> why can't we all just get along? as rodney king used to say. this shows the double standard here. this was turned up by a new hampshire radio talk show host name to keith hansen, and he publicized this, and the silence from the main democratic party has been deafening. the mainstream media in maine didn't really want to confront this guy it appears. the portland press herald put out a headline on a story finally today. south portland lawmakers called president trump a complete loser and makes a threat. he threatened to kill him, tucker. he just read it. that would be like at the dallas morning news on november 23rd,

1963 ran a headline "lee harvey oswald calls president kennedy a complete loser and makes a threat." >> tucker: i'm surprised it wasn't "southport lenders criticized president." >> that's in the second paragraph. that's what's going on all alon along. deranged veterans, christian militias, they are the ones -- donald trump supporters in pickup trucks with beer on their breath are committing all these hate crimes which all turn out to be hoaxes. look, all the violence is being, you know, perpetrated by these bernie burroughs. scott hammond, this state rep, he is a bernie bro. scott houchin, the guy who shot up the congressional baseball practice, he was a bernie volunteer. "the washington post," you saw the story tucker. over the weekend. they had the temerity to write a

story about some right wing obscured talk show host in belleville, illinois, and basically medicine like this guy who watched rachel maddow every night was getting his cues from this entire thing from east st. louis. it was preposterous. >> tucker: the main democratic party, and i think there are some reasonable people still in that party in maine, hasn't said anything. i don't think we are misquoting him. he implied he want to commit violence against the president. they didn't disavow that? >> no, they didn't. i'm on a lot of, most of the main stations carry me. one of my listeners has he called the house in augusta, maine, and some flat called him back and said that the speaker is on vacation so she won't be able to comment.

tucker, look back to last year. when david duke -- you can't get much more obscure than that guy, out of louisiana, a state rep for a couple of terms, he ran for governor once. he's a klansman. every time he put out a blog post about donald trump, every republican in the united states whose in elective office down the county commissioner had to be called out. what do you think of david duke? has anyone asked chuck schumer about the sky? >> tucker: i don't remember do give her threatening violence, physical violence against barack obama. >> no. what would happen, if a republican state rep to matter how obscure her head said something like this about barack obama? his political career would be over. there is a guy in the northern part of maine, he was a state republican a couple years ago, he made some bad comments about

barack obama when he was to president, and that was a major story and all of the main newspapers for weeks. they tried to strip him of his committee assignments, they tried to get them to resign from the legislator. now again, the silence is deafening. >> tucker: this guy is threatening violence, it says a lot about the wackos. thanks a lot for joining. >> thank you, thanks tucker. >> tucker: good to see you tonight. the proud author of three books, or is she? we'll tell you about the plagiarism lawsuit she is facin facing. professors at evergreen college are to many a colleague be fired for the sin of appearing on this show. whoa. we've got the details up ahead. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator.

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♪ >> tucker: chelsea clinton is being sued. the famous author, journalist, humanitarian, television performer, philanthropist, hedge fund genius, political and moral leader, probably war hero, too, was famous for getting by on her own merits, is now being accused of plagiarizing material for her newest book, she persisted. 13 american women to change to the world. writer christopher james kimberly says it rips off stories and quotations that were used in a book he wrote back in 2013 called "a heart is the part that makes boys and girls smart." senior news editor at the daily mail, which broke the story, she joins us tonight.

>> great to be on. >> tucker: everybody on this program is innocent until proven guilty. >> she is charged with copyright infringement. as has her publisher, penguin, which is part of random house. for stealing this little-known author from albany, new york, his ideas about a book for kids that is kind of inspirational and tells a story of who have overcome a great deal. he thinks she stole his idea. >> tucker: i haven't read her book, i've only read about it, but some of the ideas with respect seem ordinary. is it possible that may be the ideas are so obvious that she picked them up? >> it is possible, absolutely. she has not responded to the charges yet, nor has the publisher. we don't really know what she has to say about it.

but the author, kimberly, he is saying he actually pushed his book on the publisher, try to get published by them, and he says that they took his idea, sent it to her, and she interpreted it in her own way. but still, it was his idea, his concept. >> tucker: interesting. chelsea clinton has been the recipient of many awards, not surprisingly given her awesome achievements, including a lifetime achievement award. does this imperil any of those awards, do you think if it turns out that she plagiarized bobo's words be rescinded do you think? >> it's very possible. we were way to go to determine whether or not she actually did plagiarize or infringe on the copyright of mr. kimberly. so it's going to be very interesting to see. this is her third book. three does not seem to be a charm for chelsea. >> tucker: it so interesting. writing a book takes a while, it's hard, and here she is a

hedge fund manager and a star over at nbc, been a political and moral leader with her mom. would she find the time to crank out all these volumes? >> that's a very good question. she's very active in the clinton foundation, you might remember that. she is the vice chair of the foundation. but you still see her bopping around. they were in the hamptons this week, she and her husband mark who is out of a job, his hedge fund went kaput. they seem to find time to have fun and kick around. they have two go kids, of course. >> tucker: but to also work towards world peace and childhood obesity and the climate crisis. her powers of concentration must be remarkable. >> i think so. she really doesn't have that much to do. she's got a nanny for her kids, and she's been taking care of, well taken care of by mommy and daddy. there is that. >> tucker: it's shocking when another idle turns out to

perhaps have pleasure us, we are not judging. thanks so much for the update. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> tucker: it's pretty rare for us to be compared with hitler and sympathizers on the show, but it happened last night with one of our guests. watch this. >> charles lindbergh in 1938 saying hitler hasn't attacked u us. >> tucker: you cannot compare me to that. up next we will talk to author and thinker who says that is absolute right, we are like charles lindbergh. the state tuned there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time.

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comparable. >> he assassinates dissidents and journalists, he bombs women and children on purpose in syria. he is as bad as hitler, yet you want us to align with the russians, with iran, with a side. >> tucker: i wanted to act in america's interest. stop make shallow, sweeping moral claims about country should understand and hope everything will be fine. if a country bent like takes active steps to kill people who are a threat to us, i'm going to pause and applaud. peters is not alone in holding that view. he appeared all the time here in washington. cnn analyst robert baer recently said that anybody wanting to side with russia would've sided with the access 20 years ago. >> clearly the country that attacked us, you can't go hand-in-hand with them. it's like working with the japanese after pearl harbor to defend hawaii. their defense. it's just nutty. >> tucker: maxes as he

knew coming max, thanks a lot for coming on. i think it's fair to disagree about whether or not cooperating with russia in the fight against isis is a good idea. but to dismiss anyone who doesn't share your view as a nazi sympathizer seems cheap. why would you say something like that? >> rest assured, i'm not actually saying that you are a nazi sympathizer. one thing i would disagree with colonel peters about is i don't think that putin is comparable to it of hitler because there's only one hitler. what i do believe is that mitt romney was right. i was a foreign policy advisor on the mitt romney campaign in 2012 when he said that putin is the number one geopolitical threat that we face. i think that's true today. i'm very disturbed, tucker, want to see the top of the show you and mark yakking it up over the fact that putin is meddling in our election process. undermining the sanctity of our elections to try to get

donald trump elected. and that donald trump, jr., when he's told that putin's government wants to support the trunk and pen, it pick up the phone to the fbi, he says "i love it." that's disturbing. you don't think it is disturbing. >> tucker: i'm sorry that laughter disturbs you. you can debate whether or not whether or not -- i get your view, and you can debate whether or not he did as a crime or in violation of the espionage act, but to disagree people it's a kind of moral preening, and it's a lot coming from you, who has been consistently wrong in the most flagrant and flamboyant way for over a decade. you have to sort of wonder, like -- >> what have i been wrong about, tucker? >> tucker: haven't known you a long time, i recall vividly when you said that if we were to topple the government of

afghanistan and iraq, the region will be much safer and the people that took the place would help us in the global war on terror. >> use a part of the invasion of iraq. you invade nomadic support of the invasion of iraq. it's going to have been consistently wrong. i've been wrong about lots of things, you try to learn your lesson. when you get out there in "the new york times" and say that we really should have done more to oppose qaddafi, because libby is going to be better when that happens. then to hear you say we need to knock off the assad regime and things will be better in a syria, he sort of wonder like, may be should another profession. selling insurance, something you're good at. is there no sanctions for being as wrong as you have? >> i would be happy to hold up my record of foreign policy against yours. by the way, to underline the fact, you supported the iraq war. when it went bad you opposed it. it doesn't take any moral courage or perspicacity. the issue with -- right now, you

are supporting donald trump and you are laughing about the fact that rush is interfering our election process. that is immoral. >> tucker: let's have it's immoral. not he does agreement, you are a moral authority. you are casting moral aspersions. >> save your sarcasm okay. >> tucker: it's not sarcasm. it's contempt for your nonargument. >> the conservative movement -- when i grew up, ronald reagan warned about the evil empire and you are young get up at the evil empire. >> tucker: it's a different empire, max. >> not very different. vladimir putin is a former kgb man and you are applauding what he's doing. >> tucker: since you have -- honesty policy. let me ask you a question. if we were to follow the course of action you are suggesting, you are demanding we follow on moral ground. having as we set -- >> a course of action is that, tucker? >> tucker: you fear assad's --

who would run that? do you think the kurds would run syria once we dispose of them? >> i don't. i think would be very difficult to do in any case. i think it should have been done in 2011, 2012. >> tucker: what you think we should do now? >> should we collaborate with russia and committing war crimes in syria, is that your advice? a country that is dedicated to death to america, is that your advice at the moment? i was a post of the obama policy and i am opposed to the trump policy. you seem to be a cheerleader for russia and iran. >> tucker: this is exactly the style of debate that prevents people from take new seriously. it's gross to smith >> you know that we should make common cause with russia and

syria? >> tucker: let me ask you this since you are also a historian. the congress of the united states in 1941 voted to send billions and billions of dollars to joseph stalin and armin and some food. the congress of the united states that hitler was a greater threat than stalin. were they stalinists when they did that? >> you know, tucker, this is pure -- >> tucker: we'll answer the question? >> we let me answer your question. sometimes if make common cause with regimes, that's what fdr did, with joseph stalin. we do not share common goals with russia. we do not share common goals with russia. russia is trying to further the murderous assad regime. they are trying to get hegemony in syria. they believe in death to america, we should not be cooperating.

>> tucker: them sqa factual question. something you can handle the moral preening and the generalizations are tiresome. limits to a specific question. >> your lack of moral judgment is piercing to me. i find it to be offensive. >> tucker: this is one of you takes you seriously, but i'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself by answering this question. >> you are the one that is not taking seriously, tucker. >> tucker: tell me how many americans in the united states have been murdered by terrorists backed by around since 9/11? it's because they are taking the pro or any online essentially! hundreds of american troops have been murdered in iraq by iran and its proxies. i also recall that in the 1980s hundreds of americans were murdered in beirut by iran. do not care about those deaths,

tucker? >> tucker: do i not care about those deaths? it's the most impossible to have conversation because your responses are childish. of course i care. >> you are ridiculous. you are trying to take a pro-iranian line. >> tucker: slow down pit and i'm not arguing a pro-iranian leg. i'm not pro-iran, and i'm not pro-russia. i'm not arguing it's a good place or doesn't pose a threat to the united states. i merely say -- in a world full of threat secret a hierarchy. which is the worst and then you go down the list. if russia -- >> do think russia is a threat to us? >> tucker: if the idea is that russia is in the top five i think it's absurd. be specific. >> there the only country that can destroy us with a nuclear strike. >> tucker: i think your judgment has been clouded by ideology, but i will let our viewers -- >> i think your judgment has been clouded by ratings because

you feel compelled to win ratings on the fox news channel. >> tucker: actually vehemently disagree with the air strike. >> i think you're too smart for this. >> tucker: i'm actually arguing principles. i'm arguing for the right -- without being denounced as a quisling, which you are incapable of giving a factual answer. i think our viewers can see tha that. >> i did not attack your character. >> tucker: you did not turn in a professional, impressive performance. thanks for joining us anyways. i thought it was interesting. no american colleges completely complete with a highly paid diversity officer. how much of these officers getting paid? we answer that question. cap next they will tell us with an exclusive reveal. plus a democratic congressman just introduced articles of impeachment against the president. what are the crimes that

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>> tucker: time and effort campus craziness. there's an inexhaustible supply of that. your member brett weinstein, professor at evergreen college who sparked massive protests because he refused to leave campus when in order to because he was the wrong skin color. a principled man, not progressive by the way, but that is not his only offense. a new article in "the huffington post" says his colleagues are asking another question. "speaking with tucker carlson a punishable offense?" for many of the answer is yes. a list four faculty have accused him of "endangering students by appearing on this show." he follows the stuff for a living, that's why his hands twitched. he joins us now. kevin, apparently voicing your opinions, any voice to know right wing opinions, he's not right wing, he's progressive, on

this show is wrong outlet is now a thought crime. >> let's be honest about why they're angry. it's not because he won a tv show. it basically went on your tv show, why did he have to come on in the first place, because of the rest of the mainstream media was quiet. he realized her show was unwilling to shine a light on this. the only way he could get his voice out to a national artist was coming on the show, and now they are accusing him of endangering students. the is or is colleagues. i didn't see them concerned about safety when they were mobbed on campus with baseball bats and tasers threaten conservative students. but apparently just the presence of you and him and the same room talking about this issue is endangering students. >> tucker: i wasn't trying to change his mind on abortion or food stamps or anything. i was merely agreeing with him at free expression is important. i thought that was a core liberal value, but i guess it's not. >> you think they'd be applauding him for taking his progressive ideas outside the bubble of academia and coming on a network where there aren't as many progressives watching pretty think they would applaud that thing and getting outside

of his own bubble. but now. we see that this is a real problem. this is -- i think if more people understood what the money was going towards they'd be a limit more concerned about this, in the schools try to cover it up. the administration wanted no part of this getting into the news. they threw their hands up, nothing to see here. when people see it they freaked out. the president came out this week and admitted that they have seen a noticeable decrease in the number of students applying to evergreen college. >> tucker: market forces will fix this, and parents don't have to be passive and don't take your kids to a school that will hurt them. whenever he sees some outburst like this on a campus, riot, demonstration, the ministers almost always responds by saying we're going to hire more diversity officers. more administrators who are going to focus on diversity, whatever that means. you look into this pretty carefully at campus reform and found that this is a pretty high-paying gig. >> we did a study, we looked at the top 50 diversity officials at the top 50 schools in america. we found on average, the average

diversity officer, which is basically pc police and other terms, is making $175,000 a year. the highest one making over three and a thousand dollars a year at uva here in our city of charlottesville. that averages out $275,000. that's three times the pay of the average police officer in america. we wonder why colleges are so expensive, it's because we are hiring these administrators that we don't action out the purpose of them on campus is, but these are just the head honcho's that are making six figures, well into six figures. the lowest was still over $80,000. that's what schools are spending money on. >> tucker: it's not an academic discipline. it's not like it's enhancing the knowledge that your kids are acquiring in school. thanks a lot. it would give me a migraine to keep up with all that stuff. up next, the democratic congressman who says now is the time to boot the president from office, and he means it so much he's introduced articles of impeachment to do just that. the congressman will be here on the set to tell us the high

crimes and misdemeanors he's uncovered. stay tuned.

♪ >> tucker: congressman brad sherman of california said time is up for the trump administration. just hours ago, the california democrat introduced articles of impeachment against president trump in the house. congressman sherman said he introduced the articles in response to the recent news about donald trump, jr., and his meetings with that russian lawyer. impeachment come as you know, requires high crimes and missed meiners to be proved. what are those? congress men sherman joins us tonight in the studio to explain. that was so fast. he's only been in office seven months. >> i didn't file these in response to the emails. they further bolster it, but i

circulated these articles a month ago and said i was going to consult with experts, did that for about three weeks, then congress went on break. this is our first day back. >> tucker: a month ago you were doing this. that's the shortest administration on record. >> harrison. >> tucker: but i mean to be removed by congress. one of the high crimes they believe the president should be convicted of? >> obstruction of justice is defined by the criminal law of the united states into corespects. most simply, he threatened to call me in order comey to curtail the investigation of flynn. that's obstruction of justice and it lines up perfectly with the cases that have defined it. suddenly, he fired him and said that his reason, or that the effect, was to curtail or throughout the investigation to the general rush of matter. and of course, and the last couple of days, we learned how important that russian matter

was picked >> tucker: i guess -- the kind of just cut your own argument, because in order to obstruct justice you have to obstruct justice, and affect the investigation has been unabated. >> unabated obstruction of justice of the crime. if you threaten an fbi officer and say you better not go forward or i'm going to do this or that, an fbi officer just laughs it off, that still obstruction of justice. >> tucker: but that's not what happened. the president didn't say, and this investigation or i'll fire you. >> he said you'd like to keep your job. and i'm telling you i want you to drop the investigation. put those two things together. >> tucker: i thought it was -- i don't remember him tying his request to drop the investigation. >> people aren't stupid. >> tucker: i don't know. if this is the basis of an impeachment trial, do you have the missing link between those two things that we haven't seen? >> well, he knew that comey want

to keep his job, comey knew he could be fired at any time, and he told comey to drop the investigation. or to curtail it or slow walk it's picked >> tucker: beaded necklace say what said he said. >> yes he did say that. he said it at two different times. he didn't even need to have the first conversation. in order to protect a friend, to protect himself, he instructs the fbi director to drop or curtail an investigation of a close associate like michael flynn, that is obstruction of justice. >> tucker: we've been through this a million times on the show, and i know your point on this, and i respectfully disagree. but i guess the larger question is why are you doing this? he's not going to be impeached in this congressional term. we know that now. will be the point of doing this? >> it can have 1 of 2 effects. the hope is that it triggers an

intervention in the white house. this is the thing, tucker, that his staff is finally able to say now it's real articles, and for that and for so many other reasons, mr. president, you've got to stop announcing reversals and foreign policy at 4:00 in the morning in a hundred and 40 characters, you've got to stop making foreign policy in complete ignorance of the facts beards. you're impeaching them so we will stop tweeting? 's >> my hope is that we and incompetent, impulsive government. if that happens -- >> tucker: come on. i'm against incompetent, impulsive government by anyone. but you are a savvy, long serving member of congress. that was really your concern, when it tried to help? if you impeach him, or try to impeach him it's going to go off the gears more. les will get done. if you are clear minded decisions were made. you know that that's true. if that's a real concern, this is kind of the opposite. >> this is needed. look, this is unlikely to

happen. but again and again people close to trump have tried to sit him down and tried to get him to be competent. if he's competent, and the fact that he obstructed justice will be ignored by the republican majority, and then he will not be impeached. >> tucker: do you really think trump is going to say people are asking me not to tweet, but when brad sherman's estimate and so i'm stopping. >> this is one more element. he's not going to do it because i suggested it. they need to convince him that his presidency is at risk. i think that if he continues this style of government for six months, eight months, more, it will be at risk. >> tucker: it's not the only thing at risk. the democratic party has lost everything. it has laws -- its losses are historic and their scale. focusing on his character, his tweeting, you may or may not have a case but it hasn't worked

for you. it's not speaking to the actual needs of voters. >> i want to come on your show and talk about how terrible trump care is and how we have to preserve obamacare, but she didn't invite me to do that. >> tucker: i think that's -- that's what they need to spend their time doing. >> that's what i spend my time doing, i just don't get on your show. i don't get to go on to your show about >> tucker: it's my fault that you are trying to impeach the president because in an ester to come on to talk about health care? >> no, but if the argument is that this is distracting from the democratic message, i'd say no, because the democratic message does get across. >> tucker: i think the argument is that there is no message. >> and that is we need to repair obamacare, not repeal and replace it. that is our message on health care. >> tucker: all right. we will see. he did come on to talk about it. i don't know what that means, but it's great to see you. we will be back in just a minute. don't go away.

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>> tucker: to make an nypd officer was shot in the head last week, it was a political assassination. not against a single police officer but against the civil authority of new york itself. it was an attack on civilization. you would think the mayor of new york would see that but apparently he didn't. instead of staying in the city for the aftermath, mayor de blasio flew to germany to hang out with anti-trump protesters in hamburg. cops in his city back in new york noticed, during the funeral. hundreds of nypd officers turned their backs on the mayor as he delivered a eulogy. saying the most important department has lost faith in their mayor. does de blasio realize this or care?

no. the spokesman dismissed the whole thing as a stand, something is bogus in new york and it's not the cops. that's it for us tonight from washington. we are here every night at 8:00. "the five" is next. >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." tonight, new reaction from president trump with the firestorm surrounded around his son and russia. he only learned about the controversial sit down a couple of days ago and doesn't blame his son for holding the meeting. saying many people would have. democrats