he is riproaring, make you cry funny. thank you for being with us. on this program, we will always be fair and balanced. thanks for being with us. see you back here tomorrow nigh night.ls ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we've gotten new details>> for you this evening on the russian takeover of the u.s. government, the one you've been hearing about nonstop from every mediaf outlet in america since tuesday. turns out it's a little more complicated than cnn initiallym told you. remember that russian lawyer that donald trump, jr., met with last summer?ni the one you are told is likely a kremlin spy sent directly by vladimir putin? it turns out the obamakr administration let her in. not only let her in but took pains to make certain she got here. former attorney general lynchh personally got involved in helping that lawyer come to the united states. once here, the

lawyer/spy/diabolical hacker oft democracy didn't just meet with donald trump jr. she also sat in on a congressional hearing. she lobbied on behalf of her government. she went to events around washington, including a dinner attended by at least one member of congress who, for the record, is not named trump. in other words, the story is considerably more complex than you may have heard. don't tell "time" magazine that. to "time" magazine, to them it" is a simple crime tale. in fact, it's o.j. simpson 20 years later. with don trump in the white bronco. here's their latest cover. red-handed. that's all you need to know. later in the show, we will talk to kato kaelin about his thoughts on russia. just kidding. but here's the part that is not funny.'s russia isn't just a talking point in d.c. it's an actual country. a country with a nuclear arsenal. for 100 years, we had a nuanced relationship with the russian

government despite appearances sometimes. n n we've done that because we have to do it. because it was in our best interest. not anymore.we thanks to hysteria over trump's election, russia is now the single most evil country in the history of the world.n, according to democrats, even speaking to russians is a crime, of america. >> the country that attacked us in the 2016 elections, he can't go into business with them. it is truly like working with the japanese after pearl harbor to defend hawaii. >> i'm questioning the patriotism of the republicans who are allowing this president to side with vladimir putin, to wrap his arms around putin. >> republicans in congress have become enablers of the trump-russia assault on our democracy. >> tucker: questioning their patriotism? didn't liberals used to accuse conservatives of doing that very thing? remember? until they started their own red scare, started doing it themselves. since then, it has been

a flat-out hyperbole contest with the award going to the participant with the most florid and ludicrous analogies. nazi associations usually win. >> he bombs children on purpose in syria. he is as bad as hitler.he >> tucker: okay. so a lot of otherwise sober people in washington have completely lost their minds and are saying things they will hopefully cringe in embarrassment over later. a but what's the cost of this hysteria to america right now? we still have a world to run. how much harder is this making it? joining us now is a former cia operations officer. thanks a lot for coming on tonight. i don't need to say, but it's hardly a defense of the policies of the russian government to ask what is the cost to u.s. interests when any attempt to find common interest with russia are denounced as unpatriotic?

>> and what you're hearing right now out of d.c. is a lot of either/or. either you or with russia or you're against it. the bottom lineei in international politics and international affairs is it tends to be more nuanced, more complicated. in syria right now, we don't have a vested interest to spend hundreds of millions of dollars or send tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of troops. we have to work with russiaf to a degree, and the iranians, to do what is in our interest. create stability, send those refugeess back. move forward with the interests we have. it's not -- >> tucker: wait a second. why are you carrying water for putin? i'm joking, but that's exactly the response you get from otherwise sober-minded policy experts when you make the point that you just made. it seems conventionaly and obvious. so what's the cost? if you can't say things aloud

like that. >> a lot of people don't understand how foreign policy works. we don't have friends.. we have interests.s. we have temporary alliances. that's how global affairs works now. that's how it is always work. that's how it will continue to work for many decades if not centuries. things change. unfortunately there are areas where we have to a collaborate and cooperate -- that doesn't mean that we can't be honest about the fact that they did what they did in 2016. i believe that as former intelligence officer,m we have to hold them to account. but our relationship with them is complicated. always has been. >> tucker: the russians have been running anti-american propaganda efforts for 100 years. they invented the idea that aids was created in a laboratory, that the moon landing was fake. you can go on and on. we know this. i hate to say it because we are in the middle of a witch hunt. this is not a defense of the behavior of the putin government.

it's reality. they are not the only country seeking to do that.be can i get an amen to that? >> well, preach on. look at china. in the '90s, giving a whole bunch of money to my party and to others, you go back into time. the british, in the run-up to world war ii, have an office in new york trying to influence us and get us involved in a war. that doesn't minimize -- pearl harbor was an influence on that, but the point is this. we have complicated relationships with people all around the world. and we always will. that doesn't mean we don't hold people to account and we don't push backd and in case strike back firmly.ba that's what we need to do with russia and vladimir putin. we need to be honest about what he does to his own people. that is part of what our values are all about as americans. that should be nonnegotiable. at the same time, you have to be thvery sober, to use a word, a sober understanding of the complexities of the world.

>> tucker: if you were to set up this same set of standards, for the fifth time, because i know the thought police are watching tonight, this is not a defense of russia.e but if you were to set up the same moral threshold we are imposing on the russian government to other allies, the saudis.sa would it be possible to do any business at all? or would you be accused of being a sympathizer with al qaeda if you said maybe we should do business with them? >> yeah, you can go to places in africa where some of those leaders have been abusing their people for decades. in some cases, there is one guy who engages in cannibalism. there are horrific people out there that we have varying degrees of relationships with. it is tough. it is hard. sometimesha we have to give and sometimes we have to take. on this relationship with russia, we're going to have to do a mix of both. i think we have to push back and push back hard. there is no question about that. they did what they did.

but we do need to start approaching things with a much more sober understanding in mind about world affairs. we are losing that nuance, tucker. that's scary for american security in the immediate to long-term. >> tucker: there are no adults left here, but you should come here and improve the tenor and t the tone of the city. thanks for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> always a pleasure.an >> tucker: the specter of russian infiltration followedci president trump on his trip to france.io he addressed his son's alleged involvement in the conspiracy at a news conference today. watch. >> i have a son who is a great young man.n. he's a fine person, took a meeting with the lawyer from russia. it lasted for a very short period. nothing came of the meeting. i think it's a meeting most people in politics probably would've taken. >> tucker: congressman is a democrat from the state of rhode island and he joins us. thanks for coming in. you just heard a former cia officer, who is a democrat, for whatever it's worth, saying russia doesn't have our interests in heart, which is true, but let's be real.

we can't not deal with russia. you can't denounce anybody who seeks to deal with russia as a traitor to his country. like, can we be an adult on this? >> our relationship with many countries, including russia, is complicated. i agree with the person you just had on, brian. i think the point he made is an important one.n it's complicated, but we need to understand the russian government intervened in our presidential election. we should be serious about that. we should conduct the ongoing investigation. we toldou them to account. we should sanction them. make it clear, don't you ever do this again to america.ar >> tucker: how honest do we want to be? i'm just asking. >> i am sure it's not. we should be outraged at the time that any foreign governmen government. the reality is, it's very important that the russianst understand by the way we respond

to this interference that america is not going to allow i it. that we hold our democracy to be sacred.. it is not to allow the government to participate in using hacked, stolen emails, putting russian internet bots onto the internet to promote russian rt propaganda. >> tucker: stop, stop, stop. >> this is -- this is four intelligence agencies and agreed to by 17. >> tucker: you need to point to bureaucrats to justify your point. >> these are intelligencet professionals. let's not diminish them.al they have dedicated their lives to collect intelligence. >> tucker: i have a right to question any assumption. >> absolutely, of course you do. and i have a right to assert that i have confidence. >> tucker: i want to get back to point, because no one gets to the details because we are busy, attacking democracy, you said rt is the problem. rt is a cable network. if a left-wing loan.

i don't watch it, but rt is part of the american press corps. should we them? >> i've had the opportunity to have briefings. there've been on classified documents made available. it is the conclusion of our intelligence agencies, foreign intelligence agencies, and an agreement of 17 that the russian government led by vladimir putin engaged in a very sophisticated effort to undermine the election of hillary clinton. rt promoted propaganda, fake stories that were then retweeted on the internet by thousands of russian --d >> tucker: so if a news organization puts out stories you think -- > they are not a news organization. rt is a russian propaganda a machine. you know that. it's not a question of shoulded it be allowed, the point is they facilitated the release of stolen emails, hack into the dnc -- no, they facilitated the release.

>> tucker: how? what does that mean? >> the russian intelligence agency of the russian government hacked into the dnc, facilitated the release through wikileaks, in addition to rt promoting fake news -- >> tucker: as a member of congress it's your job -- >> it is our job to protect our democracy. democracy. >> if you say it's perfectly for the russian government to interfere -- >> tucker: don't demagogue it. i'm asking specific questions you don't want to answer. >> i am answering them. >> tucker: in what ways rt problem and what can we do with it? >> there's nothing we can do. what we can do is protect our democracy from it. >> tucker: how can we protect our democracy? >> punish them for what they did. sanctions. it's not a cable network -- it's russian propaganda that promotes

false information that getsot reposted on the internet, shared with -- >> what role does larry king play? >> i'm talking about the efforts of rt which is a well documented russian propaganda operation. >> tucker: you think the u.s. congress and intelligencehi agencies ought to fight back? >> we ought to fight back against foreign government interfering with our presidential election. >> tucker: here's the concern.ac >> we can't stop them from existing, but we can punish the russian government for havingru the audacity to interfere. >> tucker: name a story that ran on our tv. >> there was a story about all of the money raised in the clinton campaign by the clinton foundation used by the clintons personally. the clinton campaign -- funded by the same sources as isis, it was promoted as part of the russian propaganda. of course it's wrong. >> tucker: you don't like the

story so we need to punishsh th. >> i'm not saying that. it's a very sophisticated -- >> tucker: i get the adjectives. >> it's not just here. they did it in france. they tried to do it in germany. they are trying to destabilize the western world. >> tucker: i'm trying do to get more precise. it's important because i want specific answers. let me ask you an overviewit question since that's where you go. to even if everything you say is right, i wonder if it speaks to the suffering of the people you represent in providence. there've been some democrats, wise ones, saying we are not going to win elections because it doesn't speak to the people. >> you asked me on the show to talk about this. it's helpful to your viewing audience. >> tucker: i actually don't think it is. >> i'd like to talk about the fact we've haven't done an infrastructure bill, i like to talk about taxing legislative to

make college more affordable. >> tucker: was nancy pelosi out there hammering the russia issue? it's your leader. >> i'm responsible for my own conduct, and i continue to say we should be focused on the issue that matters in rhode island.be good paying jobs, preparing our infrastructure, making college wmore affordable, secure in the future of medicare and social security. that's what we should be doing. the real tragedy is -- she you want to talk about russia! because people watch your show because of it. have me on and talk about legislation. >> tucker: i guess i'm just too shallow on this one. thanks for coming out. a left wing judge san francisco has no plans to remove an order blocking the president's crackdown on sanctuary cities. who is this judge and is he acting on legal or political grounds? will unpack that next. nra ad has triggered liberals, and we have their response.re

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>> tucker: a state representative in maine who made violent threats against the president is now not surprisingly being investigated by the secret service. earlier this week, state representative scott hammond of south portland went on a profane facebook rant against theti president that wound up with a violent threat that appeared to suggest he would hurt the president.pr he later described the post as "aggressively sarcastic and said it was an exchange with aas friend." i don't even think he is from maine originally.

they never are. federal district court judge is a yale grad with a history of left-wing activism on and off the bench. in a ruling that seems more political than judicial. he has announced that he isng unwilling to pullback in an order that prevents the trump administration from cracking down on sanctuary cities.. who exactly is he and why is he so often in the news? the president of judicial watch joins us tonight. tom, i wanted to destroy because -- i wanted to do this story because i noticed his name. there are lots of judges that i don't agree with, but this appeared to be a judge who is making decisions based on his personal political beliefs and not trying to hide it. >> one of these anti-trumpmpma judges we've heard about with the president's temporary ban on illegal immigrants. here you have president trump trying to warn sanctuary cities, through his attorney general that if they start complying

with the law requiring allowing police and other local officials with i.c.e. status, like if you have someone arrested in jail, tell i.c.e. before you release them, and you don't get federal funds until you do. it seems like a common sense application of law. the judge says you can't do that. >> tucker: on the basis of what? is there a valid legal argument? >> he's pretending that then justice department is adding ann extra requirement that only congress can add to the federal funding at issue. the order out of the attorney general's office and the department of justice, they say look, to the extent, appropriate under law.w. to the extent allowable under law. like the other anti-trump judges, he said it doesn't matter what they say. i don't like it, and the sanctuary cities challenging it are going to be nervous. they may not get that money in the future. >> tucker: orick has become famous among a small group of people who've been paying attention because of an abortion case on the west coast were an antiabortionus group took videos

of abortion providers talking about selling baby parts. nobody contests those videos are real.ts the judge has put a gag order on this. and won't allow those videos to be shown. we can't show them on the show, they can't be disseminated. even though they are real. it seems an obvious violation of the first amendment. and yet, nobody says anything about it because the entire media is on his side. >> when it comes to abortion, the rules don't apply. the first amendment doesn't w apply when it comes to discussion, planned parenthood, which is been caught in this, >> tucker: what do you mean the first amendment doesn't apply? >> you don't get the same protections if you are pro-life that you would otherwise get. in this case, imagine if the c press had gotten a video of thes meeting donald trump, jr., had with russia. , do you think a judge would preempt and prevent debt video from being released? no. all the media will be saying the people have a right to know what's going on here.e. these organizations have federag

funds at issue, and they may be violating the law. this is the investigative journalism 101, give a federal court judge telling a group that wanted to publish these videos, they couldn't publish it because of the impact on the people. >> tucker: i'm a journalist, not a lawyer, is truth not a defense? the videos are real. can you not make the case that you have a right under the first amendment to show them? >> i think that there's of stronghe argument. if this was the aclu or "the washington post," "the new york times" trying to publish the pentagon papers, things like that, just imagine if emails in the russia investigation can be published -- couldn't be published because they might embarrass someone, or videos of undercover, the famous 60 minute undercover videos, imagine if they were intervening to prevent those from being shown.n. all the media would be in an uproar. here these are videos that are

really terrible.a. i heard them described, they are hard to see because you can't see them on the internet, but they describe the selling and -d >> tucker: they are totally horrifying. people have an absolute right to see the truth.e >> this judge, an obamae appointee. major donor to the obama political operation. >> tucker: not surprising. thanks a lot. black lives matter has a message for the national rifle association. stop instigating racial violence. are they taking their own advice on that? one target of their attack, dana loesch, she joins me up next for a rebuttal. stay tuned. mmmm... ugh. nothing spoils a moment like heartburn. try new alka-seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. it's fast, powerful relief with no chalky taste. [ sings high note ] ultra strength, new from alka-seltzer. enjoy the relief.

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ahh. wait a minute. whole wheat waffles? [ crying ] why! >> tucker: from berkeley to the g20 meeting, a global surge in left-wing violence has left campuses burning and cities smoldering. the national rifle association released an ad that treats lawful self-defense is the answer to escalating civil disorder. here it is. >> make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia, smash windows, burn cars, shutdown interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding. until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness. when that happens, they will use it as an excuse for their outrage. >> tucker: weirdly enough, the video wasn't well received.

they immediately accused dana loesch of inciting racial violence. black lives matter, which sums -- which some say has incited racial violence, has fired back with their own video. >> until the only option left is for black people to disrupt the system that keeps us oppressed and build d the kinds of communities in which we want to live. when that happens, theyhi will e it as an excuse to kill more of us. we know that we are not safe. but we are not scared either.l we will continue to produce media, teach students, march, and protest to not only protect the first amendment as fiercely as the nra protects the second, but to protect our lives. from gun-toting racists. we demand the nra remove their dangerous propaganda videos narrated by conservative talk radio host dana loesch. >> tucker: so we're for the first amendment but we demand that the video is moved. dana loesch joins.

what's your response? >> well, tucker, thanks so much for having me. that's actually incredibly ironic and you just pointed that out. they say they are for the first amendment but they want to do quasiec censorship being that it's not actually a government entity, but they wane to quasi censor my first minute rights. -- first amendment rights. tucker, there's nothing at all wrong, there's nothing and saturday, there's nothing at all bad that i said in the original ad. in fact, i think that's the common ground that we should all come together on. we all condemn violence.. we condemn the peoplele who sanction violence, we condemned the violence itself, the people who endorse it, and the people who like to pretend it doesn't happen so they can go on and they can further ignore. this ad, it does make sense. black lives matter began earnestly. i think it began as an organization that really wanted to solve some of the discord between the black community and police officers. and that's a noble thing. but what has it turned into

and infusion of soros cash, ourd digital record out there about that, that's no good.n they have turned to fostering more division instead of solving it. >> tucker: it certainly does seem that way. you can't, just for the record, be for the first amendment and simultaneously demand that people not be allowed to hear the opposing view. but they are not the only ones, black lives matter, that took issue with your ad, which really got a strong reaction for sure in progressive america. there's a women's march planned i think tomorrow, i won't be going, in part a response to you, the ad, and the national rifle association. what is that, exactly? >> yes, it is the women's march, which if you remember back in january, tucker, they banned pro-life women, so it's some women only. it's not all women. they banned any sort of muslim groups, they banned pro-life groups, they don't really like conservative women that believe in second amendment rights for all women. so it's a very discriminatory organization. they've decided to react in this manner to me speaking truth.

they have tried to smear it, goi after me and say that i was inciting violence. i tucker, the crazy thing is is that these organizers have said way more -- they said actual incendiary things, they support pretty dangerous people.d people like louis farrakhan, if you remember they testified in defense of the blind sheik who thought that jihad was a physical struggle. >> tucker: what's that have to do the women's march? >> i have no idea, because the men that they support don'td believe in women's rights. they think women should be home in the kitchen, they partnered with -- michael bloomberg's lobbyist organization. they are just upset.no but they've decided to march together, along with black lives matter, which i find kind of shocking considering that michael bloomberg, believes in

"throwing young black men up against the wall and frisking them." that's a policy he supports to the point where he tried to stop a video of him saying it. they haven't released a statement on that, and nor tucker, has the women's organization, the women's march, they haven't condemned a call for jihad. >> tucker: this relates to intersection malady, all these different groups united together. they seem at odds. it seems illogical to me. you have people at a women's march who don't think women should be in the workplace, doesn't really make sense. >> no, the biggest thing about all of this, and this is some of the ideology that these individuals promote, is that somehow leftism or progressivism has a patent on being female. it a has a patent on being gay or lesbian,

has a patent on being black or muslim. it doesn't. that's what i find discriminatory. >> tucker: and also silly.le thank you for correctingng that. dana, things left coming on tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> limiting people in the discriminatory belief that there are only two genders in the world of biology. a veteran of the war in afghanistan is here to talk about the new transgender policy and how it will affect the world's most effective fighting force. plus big developments in the case of four men missing and the commonwealth of pennsylvania. we have a live report on that straight ahead. phone with our allstate agent,

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>> tucker: everyone in america pretty much respects the u.s. military and for good reason. they are amazing. most taxpayers like to think the money the military spends t goes to expenses like submarines and ammunition. very few think of sex changes and transgender awareness training. on the other hand, it's 2017, and that means transgender recruitment is part of what the pentagon does. the question is, will that help us win wars? this captain served in

afghanistan, and he joins us now for an update. james, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: it's not a question of being for or against transgender people, i don't think. it's a question of the pentagon making decisions that make the services more effective. winning wars and defending the country. i don't think i should be in the military. i don't meet the standards. my simple question to you is does the transgender policy make the military more effective at its core task? >> no, it doesn't. this policy is problematic for three reasons.ar first, privacy concerns. second, it elevates identity politics over combat preparation. third, most importantly, itd, undermines readiness by removing objectivity from our military standards. >> tucker: the second, it elevates identity politics over combat readiness? >> the army has a very specific

physical readiness requirements for male and female soldiers based on body fat, height and weight, biological differences between males and females. under this policy, a soldier can change their gender in the personnel system without undergoing reassignment surgery or any other physical changes whatsoever.. so in the army -- >> tucker: as long as you say you've changed, you can change? >> if you have achieved a change of birth certificate and you are now a different gender. for an example of how this playr into the readiness issue, an 18-year-old male soldier with 21% body fat is considered a liability and is not -- nondeployable. an 18-year-old female at 21% body fat is fit for duty. if you have an 18-year-old soldier, 21% body fat, and all of the characteristics of a male soldier but identifies as female, he could be combat eligible when -- under the female standard, when he otherwise would not be.

>> tucker: and all these people are fighting the samehe wars, right? >> sure thing. >> tucker: so if your only goal was to be the most effective fighting force you could come when you have a common standard, wouldn't you? >> you would think, under the issue i just described, the example, essentially you are combat eligible if you identify as the type of person who would be combat eligible. that's very millennial. that's not really a good way to fight wars. >> tucker: the reason nobody talks about this is because nobody wants to be seen as attacking anyone. ngh t i'm in that category. i'm not attacking anyone. i honestly try to be sensitive. but again, the military is different from other institutions in that it has only one goal. and that's to protect the country. let's take a look, put on the screen, these are words fromgo your training manual. "all soldiers must use the barracks bathroom and shower facilities associated with their gender. understand, you may encounter individuals with the physical characteristics of the opposite sex." that's going to all enlisted

personnel no? >> force-wide. everybody took that training. i actually received the training manual that are published from a female officer who was justifiably concernedua about the answer she was getting from the army about this policy. >> tucker: let me ask you, is there anybody in leadership, civilian or otherwise, in the military, who argues that this will make you a more effective force, win more wars because of this? >> i don't want to speak for all service members, but i have never heard anybody say this f makes, us more effective. i know the obama administratione their justification was that we had to avail ourselves of all the available talent. but then you have other saying it's only going to have a minimal impact on readiness. that is a pretty clear indicator that this is not making us safer. >> tucker: any impact -- by

the way, you can't get somebody totr come on the show and talk about it. >> it's a difficult issue. >> tucker: the military protect our country, we all have interest in us. >> thank you very much.es >> tucker: fight to save the lives to make life of charlie gard went on today, but why should the government be able to make health decisions about a child? what about the parents? the u.n. says otherwise. charles krauthammer on that up next. trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief.

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>> tucker: charles krauthammer in a minute to join us. first, our country's most powerful institution that hated the rest of the country for a long time. the people who run tech companies, hollywood studios,or look out the window as they commute, they see a population that is fat, bigoted, dumb. they feel pure contempt

for the people below them. at long last, middle america is returning those feelings. a new poll by pew finds that republican-leaning voters have come to distrust the higher education establishment a lot. 58% of them believe colleges and universities have a negative overall effect on the country. just 36% think they have a positive effect, a swing of about 20 points from just two years ago.he okay, you say. that's just because stupid, uneducated conservatives naturally hate school. right? wrong. actually, republicans of college degrees are even more hostile to college than those without them because they know how bad it is. but if colleges have lost the confidence of nonliberals, consider the media. 85% of republican voters say the national news media are hurting the country. once again a substantial swing from just a few years ago.o. republicans are then oppressed -- not that impressed by labor unions or banks.

the only institutions that are still viewed positively by both sides of the spectrum are churches and religious groups and yet those institutions are the ones that are losing power in america.of swe the sentiments are not pointless, these are not numbers that mean nothing. a country can't thrive without strong, respected institutions. it's a big deal when the country's elites reject their own people, but it's an even bigger deal one the people reject them. today the parents of 11-month-old charlie gard stormed out of a british courtroom when they were battling a british judge over their son's treatment. c his parents have two good daysve to prove to the judge that their son, who suffers from a rare genetic disorder, would benefit from treatment here in the united states. the judge previously ruled that additional treatment will be futile after doctors said that the boy cannot be helped. the question has been raised by why can't they just bring their child to the united states for treatment? an obscure provision in the u.n.'s convention on the rightsl of the child inhibits parents

abilities to make a medical decision for their children. the u.s. is the only countryre that has not ratified its membership in the convention. charles krauthammer is a physician, best selling author, spent a lot of time thing about medical ethics and he joins us tonight.er so, we talked about this a couple of times, and you've made the point that these are very complex matters and that it's best to give people space on these. i had no idea there was an international convention that might be affecting the ability of the parents to decide for their son. >> the fact that it's getting in the way of their being able to act as they wish is a testimony to the wisdom of our not signing it. these are ridiculous international agreements. t generally adhered to by countries without the rule of law. basically it allows some judge in some country to harvest the -- into the international court

of justice over this or that. we have a constitution that has maintained and supported and preserved the rights of our citizens, including our children, rather well for a quarter of a millennium.m. we didn't need to sign this stuff. to me, it just shows you how this gets so infected by rights talk. the issue here is not the poor, the baby's rights. it's a problem of his suffering, his future, the prospects. rights are irrelevant here. the only question that we should be debating is what's best for the child. since the child can't speak for himself, who speaks on behalf of the child? that's the ultimate question. it seems to me, even though the parents are wrong in this, we talked about this last week, i don't think there's any hope for the child in coming here. i think it would prolong thet the suffering. even the doctor who does the treatment for other kinds of diseases, but never withto charlie's, has said there's only a 10% chance of any improvement

any improvement is going to a leave him in a terminal state. >> tucker: i just find it a little remarkable than an international treaty to the united nations could impinge on one of the most basic and sacred relationships of all between parent and child. since when did international bureaucrats decide they have the right to make decisions for your child who they never met? >> since forever. that's all they do. they go to five-star hotels, they draw up these agreements, these social agreements, these bills of rights which are never adhered to. it starts way back after the second world war with the international conventions for economic and social rights. in the west, we understand what rights are. it's your protection against government intrusion. it's basically a right. it's a right against the government. it's been expanded, specifically by socialist and communist countries, that have not that

protection against government intrusion, to say well, yes, of course. we give people economic rights, the right to work, the right to food, et cetera. socialeo rights. which is a way of saying "we are going to oppress our people, they will have no rights, but we feed them and will call that a right." you end up in these ridiculous discussions at international conventions. i will give you an example. the law of the sea. this is an invention of rights. so that a country that has never invented a pencil has a right to manganese modules at the bottom of the pacific ocean, they wouldn't of heard of it and had no use for it. whereas we are mining them with our technology and our sweat and effort. that's what's wrong with the law of the sea. >> tucker: this is what it looks like to have the village raise the child, when somebody you don't know gets to make life

or death decisions about the child. >> it should be the parents above all, which is why in this case i would allow them to take the child, even though if it were mine, i wouldn't. or secondarily, if it can't be the parents, or if the parents aren't present, then the courts of your own system, your own society. but to rely on some convention nobody's ever heard of drawn up by bureaucrats who lived on a different planet is absurd. i think that's an absurdity introduced here. the british are serious about how to deal with this, but this is the one sign of unseriousness. >> tucker: i've got a key decision to make about my children, why don't i let bureaucrats in zimbabwe weigh in? charles, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: we will be right back. americans - 83% try to eat healthy.

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>> the news of that somewhat stunning confession broke late this afternoon and now, we are hearing a disturbing account of what may have happened to those four missing men. >> cosmo dinardo this evening confessed to the district attorney. he confessed to his participation or commission in the murders of the four young men. in exchange for that confession, he was promised by the district attorney that he will spare his life by not invoking the death penalty. >> 19-year-old dean finocchiaro has been identified, the others missing and presumed that our 22-year-old mark sturgis, 21-year-old tom meo, and 19-year-old jimi patrick. according to "the associated press," dinardo's confession was that he may have killed the four

men after selling the marijuana and may have had help with three of the murders. we will have more on that.li >> tucker: thanks for the update. we appreciate it. t good night from washington. "the five" is next. ♪ >> greg: hello, i am greg gutfeld. with kimberly guilfoyle, jesse watters, juan williams, and meghan mccain, "the five." ♪je >> greg: well, it is the most hyped meeting since eve met the snake. donald, jr., and the baffling russian convened for 20 minutes and the media howls at the moon. yet, they never asked one simple question, tells us, greg. how did the russian lawyer get into the united states? wasn't her visa denied? she arrived here under president obama.ta i am just wondering how she got in. >> jesse: now, you are onto