reality. it's important to acknowledge this. every person simply picks their own president? there's no president at all. good night from washington. "the five" is to next. see you tomorrow. >> greg: hi it, i am greg gutfeld. she runs laps on a close and play. you're watching "the five." how come health care is a disaster? here's why. this is a remote. it has a hundred buttons but i only use the power and channel. i don't know what the other buttons do. if i hit the other one, it's all over. that's health care. it's really designed and overly complicated. so convoluted. if i hit other one, it's all

the call center, a help desk. why is that. it like this remote, it's badly designed. if it were a car, obamacare would have been recalled. it be on the windshield, made of marshmallows. remember that web site launch? it made a last straw -- alesta look good and that causes diarrhea. it says that bureaucracy fails because it is designed for the product and not for you. the product fails because no human can figure out how to use it. president obama took something as vital as health, cordoned it off and at the wrong people are handling it. it's time to get it out of their hands and into those who understand humans. every single day, doctors and business types email us with solutions. they understand functionality

and simplicity so people can use this service minus all the anxiety. the cell phone is way more complex than a financial product. a10-year-old can master it. because a successful product helps you, not the reverse. if president trump truly wants to change things, here is his chance. russell this problem away from politicians and ideologues and let someone else have a shot. could it possibly be any worse? so, dana, i was talking about this with you last night over cocktails. [laughter] >> dana: in separate apartments! >> kimberly: thank you for the clarification. >> greg: getting the public involved in terms of balancing the budget. how does that work out? >> dana: it was in the 1990s, republicans ran on it. bill clinton was even like oh, i'm kind of for that. it's really hard. one of the things -- to go out

into the community, several different cities, you can sign up. my dad actually did one of these in denver. let's say there were ten tables of five people. we were given a number saying this is the number we need to get to you. how would you balance this budget? the five of them a try to work it out. they would try to come up with solutions. basically -- they were confirmed citizens and wanted to participate. >> greg: now with the internet, you can essentially crowd sourced data and find an algorithm to create financial product which is what health insurance companies want. my problem is, we know longer have small government versus big government. the dams create a program and the republicans stir the pot until the dams are back in power. we need a third way. >> juan: it seems to me that

there is a division within the republican party. people like paul ryan to believe in small government doing away with safety net programs or at least reducing social security, medicare, medicaid, and the like. it's not very popular -- guess what, they are the people that elected donald trump. if they have a program serving their needs, they don't want to do away with it. oh, no, not at all. when you have seen here -- it's evidence, gregg, of people who say all kinds of things on the campaign trail. they make all kinds of promises, but the minute you have republicans in control of the house, senate, and white house, oh, seven years you've been saying to do away with it? let's see your plan. today we learned, greg, it's been a scam. this is a scam of the highest caliber. perpetrated on the republican party. >> greg: do you agree,

kimberly? >> kimberly: well... perhaps i don't. what i think is, the republicans -- you talked about this. they really need to get it together. health care is very important but right now, this isn't like driving the train. so, yes, they need -- they made a big deal about it and raised a lot of money with people across the country promising them. but what have you done for me lately? to me, you've got to be honest, with respect to the party and a reckoning is going to come in 2018. the other things they need to do is the tax cuts. i do agree with you, it needs to be retroactive to january 1st. if they do not -- i've said this many times on the show -- if they do not have economic growth, they are injured huge trouble. if you think the collusion psycho stuff is crazy now, wait until they have the house back and are able to afford all the

craziness. it will be a a big disaster. if the economy, tax cuts, all of that and you have a progrowth economy, that will resonate with people. even people who are undecided that may not have been super happy with president trump at first, they will like this kind of positive economic affirmation and it will win the day for him. >> greg: what needs to be done now, jesse? >> jesse: okay, this is going to take a long time. [laughter] >> greg: >> jesse: you have thre senators from maine, alaska, they come from core states. they got hooked on the medicaid money. they needed that medicaid money, i understand they aren't robots. but mcconnell couldn't close a deal with them. mcconnell is not a closer. he couldn't get it done. i don't know why they came

out of the gate with obamacare repeal, especially knowing they had no plan in place. anyone could have coalesced around it. if that doesn't make sense to me. the republican party can even stay on message. if they were talking about increasing competition or reducing premiums. they were running away from headlines about coverage. when you are worried about coverage, you are fighting on the democrats turf. if you want to go bold, go bold. fight on your principles. unfree market reform, on choice. they didn't do it. they tried to slip the baby and that they failed. should've gone with tax relief or even infrastructure. that would have really peeled off blue state democrats. they didn't do that. i will make a point that will offend a lot of people. congressmen and senators are smart. they are not smart people. they are good at winning elections but they don't know anything about policy. their staff know more about policy than they do. lobbyists run circles around them. this is why we need term limits.

they get in there and don't do anything, they are not result oriented. they are just about headlines. >> juan: i was saying go, go. and you blame them, not donald trump? >> jesse: donald trump did not target health care. he allowed ryan and mcconnell free reign and what we have for it? nothing. >> juan: donald trump said it right at the start, i'm going to repeal obamacare and then talk about replaced. he said he wasn't going to do anything with the entitlement program. nothing was social security, medicare, medicaid. but then, guess what? cbo said this will cost 32 million coverage. these dumb politicians you're picking on, guess what? they represent real people who need real help. >> jesse: those three people aren't going to have coverage

because you're forcing them to buy a plan. they're going to say we will give you a choice and cheaper plans you can choose from and we aren't going to slap a tax on you so you have to buy a plan to cover stuff you don't need. that's an argument to me. they did make that argument and now look what they have. they have nothing. >> kimberly: that's a problem. >> greg: dana, the point of the monologue -- is there a third way? a lot of republican intellectuals out there are thinking about this stuff. i always bring up scott adams. he brings up innovative ways with dealing with this stuff. one is actually trying health products out on silicon valley. they can deal it with the risk. the poor can't deal with it. they can. how do people who write to us every day, how did their ideas get to the people that matter? i tend to agree with jesse. >> kimberly: a call center.

>> greg: i think the politicians don't have the good ideas. >> jesse: they don't. a >> dana: thing is, it's extremely easy to give money awy and a program away and almost impossible to pull it back. that's what you have in these states. we do have a problem, there are many low income people in the country that worry every day when they wake up that if they get ill or hurt on the job, they are basically going to go bankrupt and their kids will forgo college. clearly these members of congress have listened. and they are three women. they are listening to their constituents and responding to that. more communication is better. i think the president is smart. the republican senators are coming to him. they also know that they are going to have to vote -- mcconnell said early next week. probably to stay. they will have to put up or shut up on the repeal part of it. to your point on how you get to the replacement, that gap, i'm not exactly sure how they do

it -- they are so far apart. when rand paul officially said he couldn't supported at all, me lee says i can't support it with the tax cuts, and then everybody is against it. i don't know how you actually try to get all of those people in a room. >> kimberly: so true. >> greg: you have to create products that compete and then you end up with true bongo or tripadvisor, kayak, that the sift through the choices. it's easier to fly to tibet and is easier to fix an ankle. in two hours you can book an entire trip. >> kimberly: you are so obsessed with the trivago guy. >> greg: he needs to change up his wardrobe. >> kimberly: some of the people that have conscientious objections, that it should be based on free market, grounded in capitalism, having that healthy competition and also

being able to purchase across state lines, it makes it better for the consumer. if you are in one state, you are not at a disadvantage compared to someone -- you have multiple options to be able to do it. unless you have somebody competing for your slice of the pie, they are going to set the standard and have a monopoly on it. that will essentially drive up the prices and only benefit the health care insurer. what about a little bit more patient centered and focused? what can i do for the average joe sitting across from me? don't take it personally. >> greg: i am average. >> kimberly: so that he has the same advantages and opportunities for his family, for his dollars to move forward? how do you do that? level the playing field. >> juan: speaking for the majority of americans -- it's called obamacare. guess what? 60% of americans now say that

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>> dana: breaking news alerts, breaking fox news alert. that's what we call it here. president trump responded to a news story that broke earlier today, in which there is a scenario that happened at the g20 that we didn't know about, apparently. so, the report is that president trump met with president putin privately. a sidebar meeting with president putin's interpreter, nobody else. there was no media in attendance and president trump has just tweeted about it. ed henry is here, what is the breaking news and what is the president saying about it? >> you know better than anyone, there are sidebar meetings at

the g20 summit and any meeting all the time. it wasn't really a private meeting or was it just as he suggested, a potentially -- just a sideline confrontation conversation? they talked about election meddling, syria, all kinds of other topics. there was a secret meeting that lasted about a an hour on the sidelines. at the white house is pushing back saying this is a gross distortion of the facts. it was a brief encounter and not really a second meeting and it wasn't secret. the president jumping in, just breaking, the president tweeting... all g20 leaders and spouses were invited by the chancellor of germany, he goes on to say... the fake news is becoming more

and more dishonest, even a dinner arranged for a top in germany is made to look sinister. by the way, the president retweets that the stock market has done very well under his tutelage. you get the idea that that's what the president wants to focus on tonight. not these continuing questions about russia. >> dana: who with the source of this be? the president is saying that this is fake but presumably somebody that was at the dinner is talking to the press about it. >> jack, he said he had a source that earlier today, this second secret meeting had taken place on the sidelines of this dinner. at the point being so our viewers understand, there was a dinner at the g20. the press knew about. the question from this center and others, at least their allegation is that on the silence of that dinner, maybe the tv cameras would be allowed in, as you know, here's a quick

spray, here are the leaders shaking hands, the others are suggesting wait a second, after the cameras left, there was some sort of "secret meeting" where president trump went over to president putin and went on for some time and didn't bring an american translator or an american official of any kind for this conversation with vladimir putin. why would that be significant? that would suggest there was no public record within the u.s. government of this "meeting." the president wasn't saying this was a meeting, it was on the sidelines, let's talk about syria and other subjects. you remember when you are working with president bush, there would be the bilateral meetings that would last 1-2 hours and then on the sideline of a dinner, you might have a conversation with tony blair or another world leader to continue the conversation. they could have been what this is but the critics are suggesting it was something more sinister here and maybe the president was trying to follow

up on all of these russian investigations. >> dana: we will take it around a table. jesse is next. >> jesse: let's talk about semester. he said the enemies of president trump are accusing him of what, exactly? putting a little ribbon and bow around the election hacking? it is that what they are you alleging >> the suggesting -- >> they are suggesting there was just a soviet -- russian interpreter, i should say. that the president wanted to hie something here. it's the suggested in some some grants of the medias that he wanted to keep it on the sidelines, when the tv cameras were there. he wanted to continue this conversation with president putin and again, there is either an insinuation that something sinister was going on here. some cover up or something else.

>> dana: kimberly guilfoyle. >> kimberly: the problem i'm having it with this is what is wrong with the president doing something like this? if you are at an event when everyone is there, what's so nefarious about it if he's not able to have a normal conversation with other people that are attending this? this is what people do. >> good question. having covered a lot of these summits, there are all kinds of sideline conversations. you are absolutely right. it doesn't necessarily mean that anything bad or sinister happened. on the other hand, given all these investigations back here stateside, there are questions being raised as to why the president would have a "side conversation" without a u.s. official with him. typically, even if you have a side conversation, you would want to have your interpreter or national security advisor or somebody because even if it's an informal chat. it was someone like the president of russia,

particularly with everything going on, you want to make sure you have your own interpreter and people there so that everything that is set back and forth is interpreted right. and number two, nothing is misunderstood about a serious issue getting beyond the election meddling. syria, the middle east, all these big, big issues. i ran. all these on the table, without a u.s. official, maybe the national security interests of the u.s. are not the best interest. >> dana: maybe they're tiny about their grandchildren. or on the tarmac. >> juan: ed, people don't know what's going on and of course, the democrats have long charged that there's a bromance between the president and a vladimir putin. there were questions about whether his wife had to be used to get him out of that two and a half hour meeting and now you have this site meeting and i

remember when republicans were highly critical of president obama for saying to the russian president oh, let's have a little flexibility. people went nuts. now you have in our meeting on the side that no one knew about? that seems... >> if it lasted for an hour, certainly questions were going to be raised about it. i can tell you that some are suggesting it lasted for an hour is a gross interpretation of the facts and this was a much more brief encounter and as kimberly was suggesting, his brief encounters happen at summits all the time. bottom line is, juan, you are right. given everything happening back here with robert muller, every contact the president has with the russian president will be scrutinized big time. what people are missing in terms of context, when you mention the word "bromance," people tend to forget is then candidate donald trump talked about how we

should have better relations with the russians so they can help in syria and what happened? people don't seem be reporting this. there was an agreement to have at least a partial seas connect cease-fire in syria. >> dana: less question from greg. >> greg: is a true that what they had for dinner was nothing burger? >> i am being told that there is a restaurant in the d.c. area that is serving nothing burgers and i am absolutely convinced they are doing this just to make greg gutfeld happy. >> greg: no, you make me happy. >> jesse: oh, there's a bromance. >> dana: returned to o.j. simpson's parole hearing on thursday. that's next. every bite. every bite. crunchy outside.

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>> kimberly: you can tell i'm hanging out with dana. o.j. simpson has been behind bars for more than eight years but he can taste freedom soon. he might have a whole new set of legal troubles because his murdered ex-wife and her friend are owed tens of millions of dollars after the civil suit. plenty of the money the family want to be able to touch. >> $19,000 a month, $2.7 million. none of those can be touched by that judgment against him and by the families of no cole simpson and rob goldman. it's also protected. at that judgment has escalated to more than $50 million because of the interest and unfortunately, the families will

probably never see a dime of it. >> kimberly: dana, we were emailing back and forth about this. there has been some concern in the public arena as well about the fact that he would be able to keep his nfl pension and the property in florida as well. >> dana: reading it today, i was curious, i was contact my lawyer kimberly guilfoyle. i didn't understand your pension is protected even if you are -- convicted is not the right word. even if you are found guilty in that civil trial. you get to keep all of your pension money. that's what's curious about the principal of that. it seems to me, that's pretty nice money. he can live quite a long time. he's only 70 years old and looks in fairly good health. >> kimberly: for victims seeking compensation, especially when you have the criminal prosecution and civil, he was found liable in the issue

against him. they have been trying to get some monetary compensation back but it has proved to be elusive. public policy, in terms of -- the law supports this, with retirement and pensions that protect the holder of those pensions from having someone sees them as part of their asset for portfolio. it's frustrating when you think about the victims and the families, really so horribly and emotionally damaged and then not have any kind of financial compensation. for example, he still popular. apparently a model prisoner. the celebrity inmate. there will be another iteration for oj to be able to make some money. >> jesse: oj has been annexed chapter. he has annexed chapter.

he's always been a survivor. he grew up poor. he navigated corporate america very effectively. he was in movies. he had a lot of endorsement deals and crossover appeals. in l.a. socialite. a man with a really high-end crowd. it all came crashing down. that's the tragedy for the country but he comes out of this with $19,000 a month. it may seem like a lot of money for most of america but for oj, not that much. if you still going to be embraced to a large extent by black america. there will always be people inviting oj for rounds of golf, buying him drinks, prompting him dinner. will he be rolling in it? no. it will oj survive? absolutely. >> kimberly: juan, your thoughts? >> juan: let me respond on black folks are going to love o.j. simpson.

what you have to do, if you go back to the case, realize we are talking about the black lives matter, ingrid police, questions about whether he was handled fairly. i've got to tell you something. i don't hear people -- the most radical communities saying anything positive about o.j. simpson. >> kimberly: are they going to go -- >> jesse: i think he'll be just fine. >> juan: no, i don't think so. let me ask you guys. here's a new book by o.j. simpson. would you buy that? not me. o.j. simpson, do you want him on "the five"? not me. how about an o.j. simpson speech? oh, i think i've got something to do. i just don't see it. this is what o.j. simpson will bear for the rest of his life. america thinks he's guilty. black-and-white. >> greg: we are all talking about the same thing. he's famous.

and can the average person resist paying attention to him when he's out? when you question him for me, we used to shame people but there are too many people on the planet that are willing to indulge him. think about how different the world is now. he was incarcerated. we have instagram, smartphones, twitter. every public moment of his life, he will be posing for selfies every moment he's outside. if he was smart, he would create a tracking app. where's oj? you download it. at any moment you go oh, my god, he's in my neighborhood. or he's over here. the fact is, his whole life -- come >> jesse: tmc is working on that right now. >> greg: putting his arm around somebody and somebody taking a picture. this is my girlfriend, take a picture with her. hey, i'm stabbing her. no, he will. he doesn't care.

we don't care. right now, we as a public -- we put fame before everything. we consider pass judgment but w when he is out on the street at a bar, everyone is going to want to be there. >> kimberly: and full respect to some of the other charges, there's only one surviving living victim of the robbery attempt. again, he is up for the parole hearing for the robbery. not for the murder. >> greg: he was surprising people in the skies. hey, you are the double murderer. that was the whole point. >> jesse: that was rock-bottom. >> kimberly: more rock-bottom on "the five"... a pill so small,

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>> jesse: welcome back. connecting race to the various russian investigations? take a look at this simple analyst. jeff sessions, russia, and race. >> jeff sessions did another one of his tough on crime speeches. he wants to bring back the war on drugs and stop and frisk and all these things at target young black men. when you compare that to the way that republicans respond to donald trump and at this investigation, where frankly all of them are which rich white d, they don't see the problem with that. bob mueller shouldn't go by that double standard. >> jesse: as a pond and, i just have to applaud this guy. playing the race card and a russia card. it's a full house. [laughter]

if all morose and ben carson were tied up, i think the republicans would be exactly the same. wouldn't you agree? >> dana: i was reading it earlier today, it's a real. if you separate them, i do think when he's talking about actions by the justice department that black america, as i understand it, i heard cory booker talk about it, they do feel that their policies that existed before president trump was ever in office have been unfairly targeting young black men for so long and there was bipartisan agreement to try to do criminal justice reform. and while there is bipartisan agreement, attorney general sessions is pursuing the policy is that the president wants to pursue and it's getting tougher on crime. there's a disconnect there. he's got a strong point, at

least as a pungent. as soon as he is brings in the russian piece, he lost me. it's before he lost me too. can you be tough on crime and not be a racist? if you're tough on crime, you don't like black people, that's what he thinks. >> juan: that's not what he's saying. >> jesse: that's exactly what he said. >> juan: he is saying that sessions is picking specific crimes to focus on. >> jesse: is the war on drugs just racist? if trump wants to go after this opioid crisis, that goes after a lot of white people. >> juan: that makes her case, jesse. >> jesse: to go after opioids because it affects more white americans. >> juan: member what happened with crack and black america? they raised the penalty for crack as opposed to cut powdered cocaine. that there's much more of an emphasis on dealing and

rehabilitating people that are being so severely damaged, it's an epidemic proportion in our country. the way they look at drugs and by people. >> kimberly: to agree with the approach of not criminalizing and trying to work towards rehabilitation? >> juan: yeah. i would agree with that. >> kimberly: you think that's a better approach? you applaud what they are doing? >> juan: of course. i think it's important to rehabilitate. >> kimberly: do you like my cross-examination? >> jesse: case closed. greg gutfeld. >> greg: i see this as another example of identity politics that's full on ideology and cults. to a hammer, everything is a nail. to a social justice warrior, everyone is a racist. you hear people wishing happy birthday to joann chaz amar. the fugitive. they don't do that with white --

because she is a black woman. on twitter, therefore considered oppressed, because she's a black woman, therefore she's innocent. she shot and killed a police officer. they wish her happy birthday. my point is, that's racist. sooner or later, you've got a let go of this identity politics because it will lead to failure, you will devour each other over this. everything is due to cooperation. the opposite of division. that's why the left keeps losing. >> kimberly: you're absolutely right. this is a move in the right direction. it will produce more effective outcomes. and also lowered the rates of incarceration. but this other guy, totally out of his mind saying that. that was nonsensical. it's divisive for the very

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♪ >> juan: president trump's approval ratings are anything to brag about. very low. but, a new national poll by bloomberg. there are some less popular than president trump. hillary clinton. what do you say, gregory? >> greg: hillary keeps coming back. political heartburn. it never goes away. she serves as a reminder of two important things. why trump won. and why they lost. her. >> dana: president trump should take some comfort in the fact that he was able to win the presidency. despite all of these attacks, it hasn't gone down. at the other thing is if hillary clinton is interested in how to increase her approval rating, after your political career is over, you stay quiet.

look at president bush's numbers now. they are higher than president obama's. that's been because he's been gracious and has moved on and as other great things like public service. >> juan: obama is at 61%. joe biden is at 60%. and trump... >> jesse: can you nominate hillary again? this poll is not fake news. i believe everything about this poll. oj has better poll numbers than hillary clinton. it's not a good scene. dana, if she had been more of a states woman coming off of that loss, her numbers would have been much higher. >> kimberly: remember the whole thing "i'm with her?" she will probably try to hog it again and destroy it for the democratic party.

>> dana: if she runs for mayor of new york... >> greg: i would vote for a pack of cat hair instead of de blasio. >> juan: for trump, the republican base is probably -- there's some flip among white evangelicals and white men who have no conscience -- >> dana: we have to do "one more thing." >> kimberly: also, he's appointing a slew of judges. that's going to be very good for him as well. by the way, no chance for reelection? look at the numbers. that's how he won. >> dana: we have to do "one more thing"! >> juan: okay, "one more thing," up next.

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all about. >> greg: tomorrow i am not going to be here but if you want to see me, go to the paris resort in las vegas. i will be at freedom fast. speaking at the opening ceremonies with william shatner, kennedy will be there. freedomfast.com. omg. omg. the largest wine cork rolling down a hill and a man trying to stop it. >> all: oh! >> greg: he never recovered. he's fine. he's fine. >> kimberly: who does this? >> dana: we promote a lot of books on "the five." we've never promoted a

12-year-old author. my good friend from colorado. she's wanted to write a book's since she was little. i think at that joke, greg. ever since she was little, she wanted to write a book. she won a contest at her school. 28 pages long. my mom loved it. it's a mystery. it's available on amazon. she actually got a book published. congratulation, mckenzie jones. >> greg: dana? no, juan. >> juan: i'm very proud of you. the g.o.p. failure to repeal and replace obamacare is seen as a broken promise but guess what? it's not the only broken promise, remember canada trump trashing the iran nuclear deal? he called it the worst deal ever made. here he is three months ago. >> it's one of the worst deals i've ever seen. >> greg: oops!

[laughter] >> juan: too bad. the trump administration says they will recertify the deal. they agreed that iran is complying with its terms. wait, what happened? unbelievable. >> greg: they did a political story on "one more thing." poo poo. >> kimberly: all right, this is quite charming. a 90-year-old grandmother. 2,000 tiny hats for newborns, she has made them. her name is barbara lowe. it took four hours to do each hat. in mayfield heights ohio since 2009. she's delivered 2,252 hats to the hospital and she's living right across the street. she absolutely loves it.

pale pink, pale blue, pale gree green. >> greg: set your dvr. never miss an episode of "the five." "hannity" is up next. >> sean: thanks to our friends on "the five." at this a fox news alert. welcome to "hannity." president trump is responding to the senate republicans failure to deliver on a key promise. need to you, the american people. it's to repeal and replace obamacare. herman cain, jay sekulow, tom fitton, jim jordan, mark meadows, they are all here tonight with reaction. but first, enough is enough when it comes to congressional republicans breaking their word and failing to deliver. no more excuses. it's time, the g.o.p., you either step up and get the job done or get out of washington. that is tonight opening