who is speaking for the dead. he he had indicated that he had cleared up this matter with mr. simpson. he was trying his hardest to do whatever he wanted to get mr. simpson out of prison. he had just -- they had just made it right. mr. simpson had apologized to him. and they had just basically made it right. and he was very very -- he sent letters to mr. simpson. mr. simpson had responded. that was probably on the advice of counsel at the time. and then also there was another issue of, and mr. simpson has raised this issue, and i want to emphasize this again. that mr. beardsly had a set of photos. these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he didn't make his point already, he could care less about some signed football or some signed photos. he could care less about them. he could rip them up and burn them up. they mean a lot to a lot of people.

that was not what was the true impetus for what happened here. there were intimate family photos that were taken from him. literally stolen. there's no dispute that these would not be any type of judgment, collections. these are just indicate family photos. mr. simpson had a former family. a second family. there's pictures with his mother, famous celebrities. they were not subject to being taken. they probably have no value to most people, but they have all the value in the world to mr. simpson. they're not footballs. that's what set it off. mr. beardsly had these tpos to, or at least represented to me on the phone that he had those photos. i made every effort to try and obtain those intimate family photos. i was well aware that that's all mr. simpson wanted in the first place. whatever happened, mr. beardsly was never able to get those to me. he explained he had them. i tried to make every effort to get those from him. and then at some point along the

lines we lost contact and then i just discovered that he had passed away. but i will speak on mr. beardsly's behalf from that phone conversation. at least as of september 2011, him and mr. simpson had made things right. okay? and finally, and again, obviously the commission is not used to hearing where victims are calling people who are in prison their attorneys and having multiple conversations with them. i have also had bruce fremong who is sitting to my left and will testify shortly. he's also called my office. he had called before, many years ago, and we had spoken. i can't necessarily remember the substance of those conversations. they weren't recorded. or if they were, i couldn't find them in my file. he called again. he called me on july 3rd and he called me on july 14th. both times i missed the call, but i called him back. i can hear that mr. fremong and

mr. simpson have made things right with each other. that he's accepted mr. simpson's apology whole heartedly. he seems to be fundamentally really good guy who's fallen on some hard times recently. and he told me that he would be calling and coming in and testifying tpaeufrb raably for mr. simpson. i made sure i told him probably 15 or 20 times to say whatever he wanted to say. because obviously mr. simpson's attorney talking to a victim could be interpreted the wrong way. again, say whatever you want to say. nobody's telling you not to testify here. one of the things we did, and i did inform parole and probation about both of those conversations on july 3rd and july 14th. one of the things that we did spend a lot of time, that was a small portion of our conversations, was the remorse on mr. simpson's part that mr. fremon accepted.

we were talking about some other unfor ttunate things that happened. i have researched that there was some civil litigation that went on out there. this was against primarily against one of the uncharged co-defendants in this case. individual named richio. something happened in civil litigation and i don't know what's going on with it at this point in time, other than mr. fremon addressed those concerns with me. i told him that i would look into it. i explained to him that he really should talk to his lawyers who were involved in that civil litigation to try and make that judgment do whatever he wanted it to do. it was unfortunate. i believe this kind of is an opportunity to show you that, in the criminal case, he's completely the victim but he filed a civil lawsuit and they found him 16% liable for what happened here.

it was pretty unique, to say the least. in any event, mr. fremon is going to testify. i did feel i needed to note. i don't think i have a point to prove other than he did rep that he was going to testify tpaeufrb raably for mr. simpson and that he did discuss with me on multiple occasions this idea of some civil judgment out there that he was hoping that mr. simpson could take care of for him. that's it. thank you very much. >> okay. thank you. mr. simpson do you have any closing remarks? >> i hadn't prepared any, except that i have come here, spent nine years making no excuses about anything. i am sorry that things turned out the way they did. i had no intent to commit a crime. came here, i tell the inmates all the time, i don't want to hear about your crime, you know? argue in court. we're all convicts. i'm a convict. do your time and don't do anything to extend your time.

i told the warden when i got here, mr. legrange it was, miss carpenter, miss megan, that i would be no problem. i believe in the system. i will honor what the jury said. and i will be no problem, you know? and i think i kept my word. as i said, i have done my time. i'd just like to get back to my family and friends. believe it or not, i do have some real friends. i don't think i could have represented this prison, i don't think any inmate has ever represented it better than i. i did my time. i tried to be helpful to everybody. as i said, bruce and beardsly, i made up with them years ago, you know? i'm sorry it happened. i'm sorry to nevada. i wish richio had never called

me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back. but it wasn't worth it. nine years away from your family is just not worth it. and i'm sorry. thank you. >> thank you. just one more thing for the record. your expiration is as of today 9/20/22. in the state of nevada good behavior, complying with the rules can mean up to a 50% reduction off the back end of your sentence if granted parole, that september 29th, 2022 time could even move closer. i wanted to put that on the record. at this point i'll ask officer bautista if you would move mr. laverne and mr. simpson again and we invite mr. fremon to the table, please. >> yes, ma'am. thank you.

>> thank you. and mr. fremon, if you would put your own name on the record for us and then proceed. >> yes. it is bruce fremon. and i'd like to thank you for the opportunity to be able to speak today. first and foremost, i'd like to say i'm not here just as mr. simpson's friend of almost 27 years. that i am. but today i'm also appearing as the victim of the crime on september 30 -- or september 13th of 2007.

from that day i felt that mr. simpson was misguided. not by himself, but also by tom riceo. he was led to believe that on that day there were going to be thousands of pieces of his personal memorabilia, pictures of his wife from his first marriage, pictures of his kids, arnelle, jason, family heirlooms. he was told there were going to be possibly his wife's wedding ring. thousands of things. he was misled about what was going to be there that day. a man named thomas riceo promised him the big -- this big package. in reality, thomas riceo had never met me. never met me in his entire life until the night of the robbery. he got there and saw all this stuff. he went down. he got o.j.

and instead of telling him that that's not what was there, he brought him up anyway. when o.j. got there, unfortunately he was already worked up and had people with him that were hollering and screaming. there was a lot of commotion going on in a very, very small room. real small room, wasn't it, o.j.? a lot of things happened very quickly. and, unfortunately, if o.j. had just said everybody out of here, bruce and i need to talk for a minute, none of this needed to happen. but that didn't happen. and it took -- one of the things i want to make clear. it took me two years in a california court, because -- and

a judge's infinite wisdom and instead of turning things back over, everything got sent to a california court to get straightened out. and after having to fight the goldmans' lawyer, o.j.'s lawyers and it took me two years to get back over 600 items, a majority of it did come back to me because i had to go back 19 years through your friendship. but i had to go back 19 years, produce records for almost 98% of the stuff. and it is true that items in that room belonged to o.j. there were no two ways about it. but it's also true that i have never stolen anything from o.j. i did not -- i have never stolen from o.j. i think o.j. will admit that i did not ever take anything from him. it wasn't me.

and ex-partner of mine and his mistress christie lucimyer have taken things, other people have taken things from o.j., but i have never stolen from o.j. o.j. is my friend, always has been, and i hope will remain my friend. but there were things in that room, i admit to that. and i'm sorry things did not work out differently. but there were -- i will make this clear to you. o.j. never held a gun on me. there was a coward in that room, man named mcclinton, came up gangster style, acting like a big man. he held the gun on me. not o.j. another man came in hit me. not o.j. he never laid a hand on me.

lot of people are yelling bag that stuff up, let's get outta here. during the trial after i had already testified against o.j. and this is why i absolutely believe him. after i had already testified against o.j., i had already said everything i had to say, we happened to pass each other in the hallway and o.j. came up to me and said, can i talk to you for a minute? we had a chance to talk to each other. i told him, i'm sorry that i did not get the opportunity to call him and tell him that i had that stuff. those items that belonged to him. i told him i'm sorry that i did not take the opportunity to call him. because we had been apart for a long time. we hadn't had a chance to talk for many, many years. and i had been buying stuff from mike gilbert and i wish i had

them. and he said, bruce, i can't tell you how sorry i am. and we've got a saying between us. it is what it is. he put his hand out. i shook his hand and i said, i forgive you. we all make mistakes. o.j. made his. he's been here, from what i'm told, he's been a model inmate. he's been an example to others. during the trial, i recommended that he serve one to three years. that's what i recommended to the d.a. and i'm here to say that i have known o.j. for a long time. i don't feel that he's a threat to anyone out there. he's a good man.

i know that he does a lot for other people. and i feel that 9 1/2 to 33 years was way too long. and i feel that it's time to give him a second chance. it's time for him to go home to his family, his friends. he's a good man. he made a mistake. and if he called me tomorrow and said, bruce, i'm getting out, will you pick me up? juice, i'll be here tomorrow. i mean that, buddy.

>> thank you. we appreciate you being here today. thank you. >> thanks for this opportunity. >> you're welcome. >> mr. laverne and mr. simpson, if you'd return to the table, please. before we break for deliberation, i want to ask the panel if they have any questions? okay. what's gonna happen now is deliberations. again, another thing we do with every single case, but a little differently today because frankly we need our offices back, folks. so we're hoping to deliberate, come to an agreement and be able to produce an order sometime in the next 30 minutes or so. what's gonna happen, we are going to break. and then after deliberating we'll come back to this room.

i'll ask each commissioner to vote. i'll vote myself. if we are able to agree when those votes are cast, that will be a final decision. if it becomes obvious that there is a split on this particular panel, i have commissioners eddie gray and commissioner michael heeler stand by in las vegas and they will either -- we will call them. they will either cast the vote then or ask to return to deliberations. so that is what we are planning at this moment. we are about to leave the room. i know officers bautista is going to arrange to clear the court room there, also. i ask that you give us about two minutes to clear out of the room so that you're not chasing us down the hall. and then we'll give you a five minute notice that our deliberation is over and that we're ready to cast votes. so, on that, i will call this hearing into recess and we will return after deliberations.

>> so there you go. we're gonna know in just a few minutes. o.j. simpson's parole hearing. a contrite man who's getting around pretty well and spoke pretty easily and now faces this. if those four parole board members are in agreement that he should get out, he's out in october. if they are in agreement all of them that he should not get out that he stays until another hearing in another year. if they're split, they can bring in a couple more board parole board members and they can vote. as long as it's not tied, he's outta there. i want to go straight to geraldo rivera who covered the civil trial extensively. what did you think today? >> you know, shep, don't be deceived by that big teddy bear there in the court room. to me, what was missing in that room and dismissed almost by the

commissioners on the parole board were the mutilated bodies of o.j. simpson's ex-wife and her friend ron goldman. you know, he almost cut her head off, o.j. did, with his children, their children asleep inside. so i am not, you know, buying the whole notion that this is someone just an old grandpa. they joked that he was 90 years old, 70 is the new 90. i see pretty clear eyed on that. even though it is karma, it is what goes around comes around. the fact that he spent nine years in the pent tentry for that rinky tkeufrpbg las vegas robbery when he skated on the double homicides in brentwood, los angeles, california. that's karma. but that's not justice. looking there and hearing the contrition of the inmates, hearing one of his victims suggest that it should have been a one to three year sentence. i tend to agree with fromong that would have been an appropriate sentence.

i will be shocked, shep, bottom line, if he doesn't get those four commissioners in the building behind me here, nevada state parole board commissioners to grant him parole as of october 1st. it will be a shock to me, shep, if he does not get paroled today. >> the others who were armed in that encounter in las vegas nine years ago, they got probation. o.j. instead got 9 to 33 years. was that karma or was that citizens going, no, we're gonna get you anyway for almost cutting her head stphauf >> you know, shep, remember that awful book he wrote "if i did it" in which he pondered, dreamed of what happened if he indeed had committed the brutal double homicide for which he was acquitted? that came out a year before the las vegas trial. so those jurors said to this guy, do you know something, smart ass? you are snickering and smirking about killing your ex-wife and

her friend ron goldman. you have upset many, many people. you think that you can go to florida and get involved with road rage and domestic violence there and play golf and get this behind you? i tell you what, buster. what happens in vegas in this case, stays in vegas. 9 to 33 years in prison in nevada. i think they stuck it to him, shep. and while that may have given me some emotional satisfaction as an attorney sitting here today with that parole board behind me, i have to say that if he was o.j. smith, no doubt it would be 4-zip and he would get paroled, shep. >> a while back they gave him probation on some of these matters. today we're left with i believe seven counts. they score you an numerical score. from the looks of folks who have been keeping the score, looks like it will be difficult to keep him behind bars today. >> i totally agree. you get credit for not having

any disciplinary incidents behind bars. not having any fights. not having any contraband. not doing anything, you know, some of the other things prisoners do in their cells. he had no incidents. he got along well with the guards. he was a peace maker. he was a basketball coach. in every regard, a model prisoner. it's as if maybe he understood that it worked in his favor and his only chance of ever seeing the free light of day again was to be that model prisoner. whatever it is, sincere contrition, i do not know. i do know this is a race baiting narcissist who played the race card to win his acquittal. he exacerbated the racial divide in this country. i have nothing but contempt for him. but i have to say, in terms of that parole board and these facts, these circumstances, i would be hard pressed not to grant him parole. >> geraldo, stay with us.

we're waiting from the decision from the parole board. stay with us while we wait. the former defense attorney for o.j. simpson is with us. tried to get a new trial for him after the vegas robbery conviction. he attended simpson's last parole hearing. we have a photo from that. your thoughts today, ozzie? >> i think he did pretty well. when they asked him what he was thinking when he went into that room, i'm thinking he wasn't thinking. what he was there to retrieve wasn't sports memorabilia. whatever came out during the 2008 trial was that they had faxed him a picture of his dead daughter. that's really what set him off. he was there to collect those kind of photos. his parents family album, things like that. i'm glad that was partly cleared up. i think he presented well. he looked like he lost a ton of weight from the last time i have seen him. overall, a great presentation by

malcolm and him. >> ozzie fumo stay with us. sportscaster, jim, your thoughts? >> well, you know, it's just shocking to hear him say the following words. i wrote this down. no one ever accused me of pulling any weapon on them. i have never pulled a weapon on anyone in my life. >> it gave me chills. >> he was found guilty. gave me chills, too. he was found guilty in the civil trial. to say that in front of a parole board. i don't know what the parole board is thinking. you have to wonder if somebody outright lied of him and he was convicted in the civil trial of that. i wouldn't think that goes over very well. >> you know, i was thinking, criminal justice system works. it worked in this case. o.j. was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. from the day of the high speed bronco chase all the way through that trial, i covered that thing, there was a trail of blood from rockingham to bundy. a trail of blood the whole way. never seen that much physical

evidence in any case i have ever covered in 30 years of journalism. he was as guilty as the day is long and everybody who followed this case and followed the facts night. that means he took a knife, took a knife and he almost cut his wife's neck off. then he bludgeoned to death her friend ron goldman. that he didn't get convicted of it is one thing. i wonder sometimes, jim, and you talked about this before. if he recreated the events of that time in his head for public display. >> well, yeah, he probably believed he had nothing to do with it. he's delusional if that's the case. he also said he has never had an alcohol problem and he's never been accused by anyone of having an alcohol problem. that was my second note that i took. i'm not sure what world he is living in because a lot of people have said over numerous occasions in fact he did. >> he said i didn't have a substance problem either.

there is direct evidence that that is not the truth. >> absolutely. there's a lot of direct evidence on that. but the parole board went out of their way to say that they will not consider what happened in the other trial, both civil and legal criminal. won't take into account on this parole. that's got to bode very well for o.j. in getting out today. i just don't think that you can sit there and talk in the fashion that he has, that people know he is lying, and then today, on the day you can get out of prison in october, you bring this up. people know it's patently false. >> jim gray, stay with us, if you would. we're expecting this parole board to be back in just a moment with a decision on this. it has to be unanimous or they bring in other members. that part of it is a little confusing. we believe we're about to get a decision one way or the other in just a minute. let's go to a forensic psychologist. testified for the defense in o. j. simpson's murder trial. mr. bodden, over the years

you've had to come to some kind of understanding about this, the trail of evidence in this matter and how a jury found him not guilty but there are other ways to think about this. >> shep, pathologist, but i have worked for 40 years with the new york state correction system. and i'll tell you, shep, it's a bad system around the country, the criminal justice system, the incarceration, the incarceration rate, probation, parole. and i think this is a good teaching moment for all your viewers as to what goes on in a parole hearing. this is the first time i have seen a parole hearing in all these years. i have always been told they are much shorter than this. i think that the country has to come to grips with 6 million people incarceration -- >> want to go to this news conference where someone has been in the room with o.j. simpson and telling us what o.j.'s demeanor is.

>> i'll take questions on that when we get to it. okay. should we start now? >> we're expecting this decision in just a moment. stay with us. >> all right. i'm a reporter with the associated press. i work out of the las vegas bureau. i have been here with you this morning covering mr. simpson's appearance for the nevada parole board. most of you have seen the stream. i would prefer if you wanted to ask, begin with questions, but i can tell you that mr. simpson looked trimmer than we last remember him. i know that he was about 6' 3", 235 listed in prison records. he seems to be about to that. he is now 70.

parts of the hearing seemed emotional for him. in the hearing room with him were his lawyer, malcolm laverne from las vegas, his sister, shirley baker from sacramento, his daughter, arnelle simpson, who lives in the fresno area, and his close friend tom -- >> we're interested in color here now. if he gives us anything of interest we'll take you there. in the mean time, bob massey, he's from outside the prison, outside the hearing room. bob, your take on what happened today and what happens going forward? >> welsh do you know what, shep? as i was listening to o.j., i had two thoughts. number one, i thought there was always a question, should he have testified down in las vegas in that trial? because he has a way of being affable and convincing. then as he rambled on i recognize all of the reasons he shouldn't have testified.

he would have been destroyed under cross-examination because he can't help himself. he went on and on and on. it was a very simple question that really could have been answered in a more simple fashion. and i thought that the question was asked by the commissioner was interesting. he basically is saying, tell me why you did that. and i thought that from a lawyer's perspective he would have been prepared differently to answer that. but again, he could not help himself. he had to go on and justify all the reasons why. >> they described him as a model prisoner. what's your insight on that? >> yeah. from everything we know so far, the guy has done what is required. i assume, again, that his continued apology is going to be considered remorseful on their part. again, he met all the criteria to get out of there. there's opinions on, is this a guy that is so narcissist that he makes the stakes again. we know one thing for sure.

in this case, as they made it clear, if he is released and he is in florida and he violates any of the conditions, he will be and waive his extradition and will be back in jail for the rest of the term. >> is it your sense that he's ready for this? it sounds like he's going to go down to florida to be with his family. there's a lot of questions about whether he will have some career in television. television executives are lining up to get him for that first interview. >> welsh listen, if he has a good lawyer and really any good lawyer would say, o.j., if you're out, keep your mouth shut. go to florida, play golf and live your life out. that's going to be the question. i thought one of the interesting questions was, what are you going to be like if the people in the community approach you? how much of his fame is he going to be able to put aside and recognize he has to change? because his words are going to

be monitored no matter where he is, who he's talking to. he is always going to be somewhat followed from the perspective of, will he make some kind of stupid statement and get involved in something that could ultimately affect his destiny once again. >> bob massi, thanks. we're waiting for the parole board to come back and give us a decision. does o.j. be free or stay locked up? first jonathan hunt is at the prison there where o.j. is in lovelock, nevada. jon, your thoughts? >> reporter: shep, i thought it was very interesting the beginning of this hearing in particular. bob massi and pretty much every other legal expert we've spoken to has said one of the most important things in these kind of hearings is apologies, contrition, taking responsibility. but as bob was just talking, when tony carter, one of the commissioners at this hearing, asked him what were you thinking

on the night that you went to the palace station hotel and robbed those men? he went on and on justifying essentially why he was there, why he had a right to do it. he once again denied going into the room that anybody was carrying a gun. he said, i didn't see any guns, when we know a gun was clearly pulled. bruce fromong said it was a very, very small room. so that was very interesting. by my record keeping, shep, it took him something like a full 30 minutes before he said the words i take full responsibility. now, he did ultimately do that. he said it several times. i'm sorry. i take responsibility. i wish it never would have happened. but did he do it quickly enough for all those commissioners? do they believe that he meant it? on the other hand, he does meet all the other criteria for being granted parole. i think you'd still be hard pressed to find many people who

believe he won't be granted it today and be released on or around october 1st. shep? >> jon, what did you think of the visuals on him? i remember from the trial, the court room appearances nine years ago. i thought he looked younger today. >> reporter: yeah. he looked pretty good. you only need to look back at the pictures from the parole hearing in 2013 when he was granted parole on the lesser charges but not the more serious ones to see how much better he looks. he was very heavy in 2013. looked like a man with the weight of a lot of prison meals in his stomach and the weight of the world on his shoulders. he looked a lot better today. little grayer around the hair as you would imagine a 70-year-old might become. but certainly a lot thinner and a lot fitter. he has apparently been working out as much as a 70-year-old man can in the prison behind me here. he's been involved in ball.

he can't play very well because of his knees. but he's been coaching and has been in the gym on a regular basis. we understand takes walks around this prison yard pretty much daily. looking in a lot better shape than he did in 2013. even in better shape than he did in 2008. >> geraldo reufrb area, who employs o.j. now? who makes him rich and famous again? >> you know, shep, i don't know how he can trade on his memorabilia. i think the memorabilia business, first of all, is filled with flea bags. tom riceo, very affable, very charming, the man who really set up this whole confrontation. it was his hotel room in vegas where the memorabilia was brought by the two victims of the crime and spread out on tom's bed. he thinks that there are a lot of items in still connected to this case that have value.

some of the things really having to do with various crimes have value in that particular community. but remember this is really the bottom line. the goldmans and the browns still have a $33 million civil court judgment against ofplt o.j. simpson which means virtually all of his income, from the selling of this memorabilia, can be attached by the victims of the crime, by the survivors of the wrongful death in the civil case. so they will be watching him. they have vowed vengeance on this man. they have wowed to haunt him to his grave. they will not let him sell anything. one of the reasons this whole thing happened, remember, was that o.j. was trying secretly to sell stuff. some people were stealing in this business. o.j. was trying to sell under the table so the goldmans and the browns didn't realize that

he was getting income. they were aggressively trying to pursue him in various civil litigations to get money from the various memorabilia. so he will still be hounded by them regardless. they will march to his grave site, as i said, and they will not allow him to live in a calm tranquil polyannish life. he can play his golf on a public course. he can drink a couple of beers, as long as he doesn't do it to excess. as long as he doesn't lose his temper. he's got to stay out of bars. i talked to the attorney who represented him at trial. he got limb out of a lot of legal jams already in florida. he had that road rage incident. he was tried, charged for road rage. he beat that. he had the domestic violence where the lady he was living with complained that he was threatening her and laying his hands on her. is he gonna go to a bar? is he gonna lose his temper?

bob massi mentioned the word narcissist. this is a malignantly narcissistic person. jonathan hunt said he worked out to the extent a 70-year-old can work out. as a 74-year-old, let me tell you a lot of us work out. o.j. simpson does look as if he has taken care of himself behind bars. what happens to himself once he gets out and his only activity is playing golf an chasing bleach blondes. we'll see how that works out. >> i was waiting for that dig, geraldo. you have the juice to get that. if you and jon hunt want to get there on one screen and fight it out, i'd love to watch it. >> okay. i'll invite jonathan to the gym. just to finish that, i think that going to florida where he has adult children. these kids were so young when the crimes happened. they are very loyal to their

father now, despite the fact that as the universe and the almighty knows he killed their mom. still, they are oil to their dad a quarter of a century later. i think that he has a reasonable possibility of having a nice life with them. he has the nfl pension. one of the reasons florida is so attractive to him is the homestead laws. money he can obtain legally and invest in a home. his last home in florida was foreclosed. but if he can invest in a home it would be protected that investment even from some of the creditors who are seeking rhe retribution from him. whether he stays out of trouble that is highly problematic unless he has some kind of brainectomy behind bars. >> thought number two from yale gelanter. you mentioned him. thought number two about what he thinks the idea is for what this

parole board for whom we're waiting to come back with a decision, what their charge is. >> well, i think they've got to follow the law. i despise simpson. i think that he aggravated racial tensions in this country. he was -- who was o.j. simpson before these homicides? he was indeed a fabulous football player, hall of famer, you know, a man who broke all kinds of records. he was an affable pitch man for hertz car rental. he was a millionaire celebrity. a guy who never ever dated black women. he lived in a white man's world. when someone said to him, o.j., how does it feel a prominent african-american to represent, he said i'm not black, i'm o.j. jay-z, the fabulous hip hop artist in his new album 444 has

a song called i'm not black, i'm o.j. which he is very scornful of simpson for invoking the race card, playing the race card when he himself, simpson, never had anything to do with the civil rights movement and only dated white women. there's a lot to despise about o.j. simpson in terms of his hypocrisy. i saw him. he can eat humble pie. he can put on a somber face. but there's no doubt, he may have been set up in that las vegas hotel room, but he snapped just the way he snapped in that domestic violence thing in florida, same way he did in that road rage and certainly the way he did june 1994 when he killed his wife in the most savage way possible and her friend ron goldman who had no crime but to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. and then leave his blood dripping all the way to his es skate in rockingham that no longer exists, then jump into a limousine, whisk his way off to

lax airport, try to get to chicago where he would have a perfect alibi because he had an appearance the next day for the rental car company. unfortunately, for him, his dna, the evidence he left behind, made it almost inevitable that he would be busted, rounded up. he came back, busted almost immediately. i think the rule was a grotesque miscarriage of justice. but none of that should matter going back to your original question, shep. none of that should matter. what the charge of this parole board is is whether or not this man is a risk to society when he is released? will he commit more crimes, like the crime he committed in las vegas? or will he be a solid citizen, shep? >> well, time will tell. we're waiting for that parole board. we're expecting them at any moment. our guidance was somewhere between 5 and 20 minutes.

i'd like to bring in tonya brown the sister of nicole brown simpson. tonya, again, i'm so sorry for you and your family. your thoughts today. >> thank you. welsh it brings me back to 23 years ago sitting in that room, or 22 years ago now sitting in that court room with the sweaty hands and the visceral feeling in the belly. it's not easy. >> your thoughts on him being released on this charge, if it happens? >> well, what we have to try to do, and somehow i'm able to do this. where i have been able to separate what happened in 1994 to this case. that's a really important thing. no matter what the outcome is, whether he's released, whether he's not released. it's under nevada state law. in order for me to not get mad

or get depressed or get anxious, that's the mindset i have to have. where this is the law and whatever the parole board says it is. i have been saying it for years. it is what it is. i can't control things that i can't change. i can't. so my only option is to just accept it. if he gets released, i have to just accept it. that's just an easier way. again, this is 23 years from the murder of nicole and ron. this is new. it's bringing up a whole bunch of anxieties. yeah. and forgive me stumbling. i'm nervous. i witnessed something when i was on -- or when he was on. he got really angry and then he got really sympathetic. i'm like, has he really learned? >> i was gonna say, tanya brown is on the line with us, nicole brown simpson's sister.

your family was working and has on domestic violence issues for a very long time. i'd like to know where you are with that and what the message of your family is on that line. >> oh, absolutely. it's denise and myself. we started the nicole brown foundation right after her murder when we learned of her abuse. we closed the doors on that ab seven years ago. denise is still traveling. she actually started a speakers bureau for cause related issues. i forever will speak on domestic violence. you can say no to that when victims and survivors relate to nicole. i wrote a book called "the 7 characters of abuse." where domestic violence starts and where it can end. people don't understand that there's so many different dynamics to domestic violence. it's not just physical assault and murder. there's a whole bunch of different characters that are in there.

my speech writer, carolyn inman and myself, we created that book. we're not going to stop talking about it. >> i wish i had a little more time. but they're about to begin this hearing again. tanya brown, nicole brown simpson's sister, thank you for being here. they're about to begin this hearing. o.j. simpson and his attorney are back in the room, the parole board. let's listen. >> waited this long. few more minutes. >> they have to be unanimous, this group of four. if not they bring in a couple of others. they can go up to six. it will be one way or the other. the good money today has been it is in vegas, if you will. it is among legal experts. our folks who look at the scoring they do there in nevada. the consensus seems to be that

they believe o.j. will walk free beginning in october. this board will make the decision. let's listen in on o.j. >> i think i relaid that to her befor before. >> this is elderly form of writer. his predecessor. his predecessor. linda deutch. >> linda deutch, reporter for associated press who covered the criminal trial way back in the day downtown in los angeles. and then if i remember, all covered the civil trial which took place in santa monica a few years later. o.j. remembering those who covered his cases. >> talking to no one. jeffrey felix is a complete fraud. he wrote a book about me.

>> i told all the news networks for over a year now this guy is ridiculous. >> telling me i should sue this guy. >> they believe what they want to believe. you get ice cream. >> cookies. cookies. infantile. >> it's all well and good, but i was there. every single day for this evidence. and this man, this man's blood goes from the crime scene to his car to his bathroom at his estate, from rockingham to bundy, a full trail of blood going the whole way. there's more evidence against this man than any case i have ever covered. to this day he laughs at the reporters who covered him.

how could they even say such things? >> it's disrespectful to the co's here trb real co's who do the jobs here and who have done a great job. mr. simpson has always spoken phenomenally about the conditions here and how he's been treated. >> talking about the corrections officers there. >> this guy was never even assigned to my portion of the prison ever. do you know when i would see him? we would go in the canteen. i guess he would come out of that area and stand at the fence and tell us these crazy stories. he was funny. i'll give limb that. about how he got kicked out of his son's baseball game. i mean guy's funny. you know? outside of that, i don't know.

he said i have an shrine in my room. he's shameless. >> we're waiting for the parole board to come back in. sure enough to the letter, here comes the parole board. if we switch to the split screen. the parole board is coming in. let's keep listening to o.j., watch for reaction. >> kind of like president trump. trump gets two scoops, everyone else gets one. something like that. something ridiculous. >> i swear i wanted to say that. i talked with them again. just the lies i get all the time. if i had taken stuff from all the guys about that, you know. mike tyson couldn't do that. seriously. six feet under.

>> you guys, i may say something publicly after that. i'm glad i have you on here. >> -- call this parole hearing back into order. are we ready to vote? >> chairman, i'll start off. mr. simpson, you organized this crime in which two victims were robbed at gun point. it was a serious crime and there was no excuse for it. you deserve to be sent to prison. you have been in prison now almost nine years. minimum amount imposed by the court. you have complied with the rules

of the prison. you have programmed in an acceptable manner. you have no prior conviction of criminal activity. you're a low risk to reoffend on our guidelines. you have community support and stable release plans. we've heard from you and from your victim. the question here, as with all parole hearing, is whether or not you have served enough time in prison on this case. considering all these factors, my vote is to grant your parole effective when eligible. >> thank you. >> and i concur with the commissioner and grant parole.

and in addition, our decision, although difficult, is fair and just. >> i concur with commissioner and agree to grant parole. >> mr. simpson, before i cast my vote, i want to let you know that we believe that we are a fair board. we believe that we are a consistent board. i will let you know that consistency also goes to parole. and we do not look kindly upon parole violations and if i cast my vote to grant and it concludes the hearing, our expectation would be that you not violate even the simplest condition of parole. having said that, i am prepared to cast the vote. i am prepared to ask the

commissioners to set conditions. if that happened, we will produce an order sometime in the next 15 to 20 minutes that will be faxed to you or presented to you at the institution. and it will become a public record. so based on all of that, mr. simpson, i do vote to grant parole when eligible. and that will conclude this hearing. >> thank you. thank you.

>> a heavy sigh, a head on the table, and a thank you to all of them. o.j. simpson is going free. he will do so in october. let's go to geraldo rivera. >> i covered the criminal trial and the civil trial, now this parole hearing. very different conclusions. each of them, in the criminal case, i was outaged. i thought a gross injustice had been done. in the civil case, i was elated. i was so happy that they had found him liable in that civil court case. in this judgment, it is as i thought it would be, 4-zip just like it was several years ago when the lesser charges were the subject of a positive verdict in terms of parole. i think this was, under nevada law, almost preordained. it would have been him treating

him differently than they would anybody else if they had denied him parole. o.j. holds his fate in his hands. he has been miraculously, from his point of view, granted yet another chance of living a respectle law-abiding peaceful life. i have my doubts, personally, but it's not up to me. the law was followed. i have absolutely no bitter feelings towards the commissioners. they did what they had to do under the law, as i understand the law. an their order that comes down in 10, 15 minutes, shep, i think will make that very clear. >> and we'll wait for that order to come down. but the headline is, o.j. simpson has been granted parole and he will be paroled with conditions, as you heard, sometime in the month of october. for those of you watching on fox television stations across the country, we're gonna return you to your regular programming. and an update on that parole

status on your local news. for now i'm shepard smith, fox news, new york. now back to geraldo rivera on fox news channel. not a big surprise, but you wonder where the vultures will descend, the media vultures, to try to get him to come on and do the tell-all. i guarantee the tell-all would still sell some books. >> you know, shep, when i heard that thing about the television career, and i had heard it since we arrived in nevada yesterday morning. i kind of threw up in my mouth, if you know what i mean. to think that now there's such hunger and such competition for access to this man, who we all believe committed this brutal double homicide so many years ago. the fact of the matter is, the other brutal fact of the matter is, o.j. the attention that is being paid to him is a function of the fact that series last year that

recreated the o.j. saga, that documentary series that aired, that was so well received. enormous "game of thrones" type audiences in terms of the number of people watching. there is a fashion nation. maybe the millenials don't get it as much because they weren't around in '95, '96, '97, but they certainly, through the entertainment field and documentaries know what o.j. is all about and they know what happened, what he did, how he fell from grace, how he committed this crime and then went on to live his bizarre life ultimately ending up in jail on an rinky dink armed robbery charge. now will come the truly unsavory part as hollywood falls all over itself to try to get the big score. will they write another book? instead of if i did it, i did it? i don't know. i think that in many ways, sadly, we certainly have not

heard the last of o.j., shep. >> if you were interviewing him, where would you start? >> i would have to start -- in some passing fashion make note of the fact that, you know, you're getting out now, you have a restart in life, very few people get to start all over under these circumstances. good luck. but no go back to 1994. what was it that you felt empowered you to get one of these butcher knives that you practiced with, you got from your movies, these martial arts that you had -- the whole ninja business. what rage motivated you to go and do this to the mother of your children with them asleep inside the home? one good thing he did, shep, briefly, he brought attention to domestic violence in a way we had not seen it before. >> indeed he did. geraldo, thank you very much. here's the order of events.

we're waiting another, 11, 12, 13 minutes from now. we'll get this order. we'll get the conditions on the parole. as that comes out, we'll bring you live coverage live right here on fox news channel. >> shepard: o.j. simpson has been granted parole. details coming in just a moment. jonathan hunt outside the prison, the hearing room, i should say. jonathan, moved along just about as advertised. >> it was interesting to note it went a little bit longer than we thought it would. largely because of o.j. simpson's rambling answer, when we was asked by the parole commissioner what were you thinking on the night you took part, in fact organized, that armed robbery. o.j. said a lot of things, which didn't seem as though