speak to you got to love them. this is all the time we have left. i am headed back to new york, leaving the swamp an ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it is been a busy week in washington, not that any others are not busy these days. in the senate, republicans are making one last effort to make it genuine repeal to obamacare. in the house, debbie wasserman schultz is an awkward position of explain why she employed a pakistani i.t. expert after he was linked to major security breaches, fraud, data theft, and more. we'll have a lot more on that i had. and then the white house. there is turmoil still over the fate of the attorney general jeff sessions. one man at the heart of everything is the vice president mike pence. we sat down with him of the

white house, lori spoke about the repeal of obamacare, russia conspiracies, and the drama between his president and the attorney general. thank you for joining us. those of us were watching and our viewers are basically supportive of, i think, the administration, that things are not chaotic as they seem sometimes pure and >> vice president pence: we've making incredible progress, 860,000 new jobs, isis is on the run. in iraq and in syria. the largest increase in defense spending and more than ten years. the president signed legislation rolling back an avalanche of red tape that came out of the last of administration. and confirm injustice new corsets to the supreme court, they are all part of the first six months of this administration. as we speak, congress is working to repeal and replace obamacare before the year is out. will be on to passing the

largest tax cut in american history. it is a time of great focus here at the white house. great promise for the country. it's all going to the leadership and tenacity of president donald trump. >> tucker: given that they're so much else going on, why would the president would again and attack on his attorney general? when i call attorney general jeff sessions, bring them into the office, why in public? >> vice president pence: look, i think the president has been very candid. he was disappointed with the attorney general's decision to recuse himself and to not know about his intention to do so before he was confirmed as the attorney general of the united states. i have to tell you, tucker, you've been around washington for a long time. the washington way is to talk behind people's backs. but that's not president donald trump's approach paid one of the great things about this president is you always know where you stand. i think with the american people like about this president is he speaks candidly, he speaks

openly, he's expressed his disappointment. but that doesn't mean that we don't recognize the good work the justice department has been doing under the attorney general's leadership, taking on ms-13 gangs, removing them from the streets. confronting sanctuary cities, rolling back that policy across the country. >> tucker: i think it's the public expression that rattles people, the idea that you would attack someone who works for you on twitter. i wonder if you worry, personally, if the president was displeased with you that he might tweet about you that way? has that ever occurred to you? >> vice president pence: i think one of the president's virtues is his candor. i think the reason you saw 15,000 people in youngstown, ohio, last night the president on, what you saw the boy scouts and their families during the president on, that best throng in west virginia earlier in the week. we have a president who says what he means and means what he says. there's no attempt attempt to hide his feelings.

he's expressed disappointment and it's been sincere. we will see what happens in the future, but at least the american people know and every member of the cabinet can know that you will always know where you stand with president trump. >> tucker: so the white house press secretary and said the white house supports russia sanctions. to those sanctions help the united states in a material way that viewers can understand? >> vice president pence: this administration has supported the renewal of sanctions with regard to russian aggression in the ukraine. we will continue to work with congress on additional sanctions. >> tucker: but it does help america? >> vice president pence: russia and korea and iran. that is a question for the president of the united states and our state department to determine. look, president trump is made very clear, tucker, that he believes that if we can get along better with other countries around the world including russia, that would be a good thing. we can find common cause with

competitors and even potential adversaries around the world, that would be a positive. the legislation that is moving to the congress now will let the congress continue to work its will and evaluate that. this president stands for advancing america's interest around the world and engaging countries a work around the world. we supported sanctions in the past and will give every consideration to this bill when it comes to the president's desk. >> tucker: would get more of or interfere with the vice president later on in the show. president trump renewed his attack on the attorney general today, tweeted that this mornin morning. why didn't a.g. sessions replace acting fbi director andrew mccabe, a comey friend who was in charge of clinton investigation but got.... ...big dollars ($700,000) for his wife's political run from hillary clinton and her representatives. drain the swamp! the tweet comes one day after the president publicly scolded his attorney general. >> i am disappointed in the attorney general.

he should not have recused himself. i want the attorney general to be much tougher on the leaks from intelligence agencies. i told you before, i'm very disappointed with the attorney general. but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. >> tucker: corey lewandowski was donald trump's campaign manager in 2016 primaries, he was on the plane yesterday when the president went to speak in ohio appeared he joins us tonight. cory, takes a lot for coming on. the president is disappointed that the attorney general is disappointed that he recused himself. got it. what is the point of going on? >> the reason he shouldn't have recused himself -- he saw there was no russian involvement, there was no collusion, so i really had no reason to recuse himself whatsoever. >> tucker: okay. prince ferdinand shouldn't have gone to syria over that day, but he did. so it happen. what's the point of continuing to revisit this?

and conveys the sense that he is distracted from his priorities, which is making the president better, and that the staff is in disarray. i don't see an upside to it. >> the president's priority is clear. he wants to get repeal and replace done of obamacare. the vote yesterday with mike pence breaking that tie was critical to move that piece forward. the campaign pledge that he has promised to do and he will deliver on it. you have to hold those u.s. senators accountable. for seven years, voted to replace or repeal obamacare, and now they are not voting for anymore. it's hypocrisy at its finest. we need to do is get the agenda done, that's most important thing. >> tucker: i agree completely. i think it's hard, because a lot of republicans in washington don't agree with the agenda at all. a populist agenda, there were not populous. if they don't want to do it. so takes an enormous intensity, focus, energy to get it done. anything that distracts you from the task is counterproductive. like, i don't know, beating up on your own attorney general. >> i don't disagree. but this is very important.

the president is completely focused on getting the agenda done. he needs to make sure obamacare is done with repeal and replace. at minimum, repeal. we need to get a tax cut done, we need to repatriate the money from overseas so we can have more money here. we need to cut the corporate tax rate. these are the priorities for the president. other parties, infrastructure spending. a trillion dollars moving forward. and then build the wall. something he pledged to do, and we told people accountable. those elected officials who are serving in the congress who voted for these things in the past, have to be held accountable and wait to get done immediately. >> tucker: the american public, tens of millions of them voted for this, and if they are achieved, none of this will matter. the russian nonsense, the fight with sessions. those will be footnotes. that is my concern, so as a practical matter do you think the attorney general is going to stay? >> i think that's a question that only the president can give a definitive answer on. but i do think at the end of the day the president and the

attorney general are going to have a good working relationship moving forward. jeff sessions has done some great works as a relates to ms-13 gangs, as it relates to the border crossing, and the reduction of illegals come across the border. these are the priorities of the president. he's pledge that he's going to stop the illegal border crossings, this is what jeff is doing is attorney general pit he's doing a good job on that. he needs to continue to focus on that and continue to move the conservative agenda from the attorney general's perspective. >> tucker: if you left, what would happen? who would replace him? but with that look like if the attorney general -- and i understand that the president is mad at him, but if he says i'm sick of these tweets, i'm out of here, i'm going back to mobile, what happens then? >> i think he is a patriot, and i think jeff will continue to service contribute hope he continues to serve his country in the capacity of the attorney general. obviously, there are number of potentially capable adventures who can serve in that capacity. that being said, jeff was the right man for the job right now, and it is going to stay in the job. i don't have any inside knowledge of it, but i think jeff sessions is going to continue to service the

attorney general for as long as the present wants them to be the attorney general. >> tucker: i think you do have inside knowledge, and i think that's a sign that he will probably stay, and i think that's probably good because it's hard to see what would happen next. quickly on health care. what's your best guess? >> it has to get done. this is the president was great closer, a great deal maker whose can get those people to get at minimum the repeal done. if we get the repeal done, very important. if not, obamacare, the marketing will be devastated. >> tucker: good to see you. president trump suppressed a run by announcing the military would no longer fund soldiers gender transition surgery. after the break will talk to a democratic congressman and ask how those surgeries help america win wars. plus debbie wasserman schultz -- trying to flee back to pakistan. the big story you are going to the big story you are going to see in a lot of other channels.

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democrats are not grateful for that. they quickly became very angry. here's part of what they said. >> this disgusting band will weaken our military, and land -- >> because of president trump's announcement, america will be less safe. >> the president of the net states this morning announced he is blowing 15,000 holes in our military readiness. >> it's undermining our national defense. >> this disgusting action endangers the lives of american service members and makes our country less safe. >> congress men sean patrick maloney represented new york in the house of representatives, and he joins us tonight. thanks for a lot i understand my people like it, but to not like it and claimed that countries less safe portrait of her things. because how about seal team six? at the they make our country

more safe? kristin beck, member field team six, is a transgender woman. seven combat tours, earned a bronze star with valor. in the purple heart. she's done of a out more 400 and you and i ever will. and she made our country safer. that's the person we are going to remove her military service. >> tucker: i don't that she served as a transgender seal though. speak to make >> no, but there are thousands serving honorably and meeting dye test that the military expects of its service member's. we should use the standard the president started, which is keeping our country safe. putting them a part of keeping our chris davis putting good people in the military. >> tucker: a transgender's have never been allowed to serve openly and to have have the transitions paid for by the u.s. government. this is something that began in a gradual way with the obama administration, this country has been around for most 250 years, winning a bunch of wars. the tinnitus light on any specific person, it's -- i'm

merely skeptical at why this makes our country less safe. i don't think you can show this. i think you're mad about it and using our national security to make your point. >> look, there are thousands of people serving honorably. we won a bunch of wars before we integrated armed services with african-americans. we won a bunch of wars without women serving. but we have an anonymous number of talented, diverse people serving. we would believe we are more safe because we excluded all groups of americans. look, the point is is that right now, thousands of transgender service members are serving with distinction. there's not a reason on earth that you would kick them out of the military except for prejudice. >> tucker: that's just a silly thing to say. this is a legitimate debate, and freed us to anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bigot -- slow down. >> i didn't say that. >> tucker: he said the only reason would be prejudiced. in other words, if you disagree with me, being a holy man, you

are a bad person. there are two sides to this. there's a cause, there are difficulties integrating people, there are questions about what it means to be transgender, these are real adult questions. and you are blowing them off by describing anyone who doesn't agree with you as motivated by prejudice. >> what is the reason for taking members of the military who are serving now, thousands of them, with distinction, without a problem, and kicking them out on this basis? but with that reason be? >> tucker: the reason is articulated by the people who oppose this, it's expensive to pay for the physical transition, the medical transition from one to the other. paying that at a time when the military is scrambling for funds is a distraction from the core mission, which is winning wars. the otis is on you since they've never had this policy in its history to show that paying for sex change operations is going to somehow make us more likely to beat al qaeda. >> excuse me. we have that policy now, and

we've had more than a year to see how it works. there hasn't been any diminishment of readiness or any disruption of any kind. what we know is men like shane ortega, another transgender service member, who conducted hundreds of missions in afghanistan and iraq, multiple combat tours, has 100% -- yes, as a matter of fact, in their art right now people like riley dosh, a cadet who graduated from the military -- >> tucker: i'm asking you a broader question. is it an actual concern that the pentagon would have to pay for sex change operations, do you think that's a valid military expense? do you think these real questions about how to integrate people in close quarters living who haven't fully transitioned must make to this office like -- >> to be fair, we've spent years starting this. we did a commissioned report, and the obama administration did exactly that.

the rand corporation study looked at this in detail before they change the policy. we have a year of expense. by the way, under your argument, you can also say that women may get pregnant, and they may incur additional medical cost, so we shouldn't allow women to serve in the military. i think i would -- >> tucker: i'm arguing something very specific trips i don't liken it to another argument. any question that bears a military democrat in this, i'm a patriotic person, i would love to serve the country, but i'm too old. it takes me 27 minutes to run a 5k. i'm not qualified. the question is not what's empowering for me. it's what's good for the national defense. that's not the lens through which you are looking for >> but kristin thence is qualified, and excuse me -- >> tucker: you know what very -- everything you disagree with is an attack. >> you're defending a policy that would remove a decorated

member. that's not an attack, i don't know what is. >> tucker: you are not posing as a rational person. you are telling me i'm attacking a navy seal which i am emphatically not doing. you should be ashamed for using such a low tactic. i'm trying to make a rational conversation. >> it is a fact that she would not be allowed to serve. which also means the taxpayers would absorb no health care -- the fact of the matter is that we -- >> tucker: this is why we can't solve problems. because all you're doing a spewing propaganda. i'm asking honest questions and you are throwing back dumb propaganda my face and calling me a bigot. >> i the gift on the implication people serving with distinction are being separated from the military for an arbitrary reason. it's wrong. >> tucker: you know what, this is why the pentagon didn't announce it themselves today. because this policy has very limited support in the pentagon, but they were afraid because

demagogues like you, they are going to be attacked for saying what is obvious, which is the point of the military is to win wars. saying that we'll get people like you to call them bigots. >> that's my stance. we want to win wars, and the people who are serving with the station are part of that. by the way, they are earning those benefits that we are providing to them. they are running it by putting their lives online, line, they're doing more than you and i will ever do come in before you go after them i think you should own that. >> tucker: thanks. debbie wasserman schultz paid a pakistani i.t. person for months, he poorly tried to flee the country today. what happen. mark stein is here to discuss myou always pay your insurance on time. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident.

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>> tucker: a pakistani national who was also a longtime aide to the former chairwoman of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz, has been arrested after trying to flee this country. he is been charged with felony bank fraud. he was under investigation for months but he was banned from the house computer system in february for posing a security risk, and yet for some reason speaking kept him on her payroll until yesterday. not only that, but she tried to sabotage the investigation. she threatened capital police after they seized a laptop. mark steyn joins us tonight.

what is this about, mark? >> it's about everything that the democrats and the media have spent months trying to prove that the rush investigation is about. everything they've look for and filed to find in rush investigation is going on under their noses in this particular story. we have computer interference. we have, as you said, a powerful political figure to trying to interfere with the federal investigation. as debbie wasserman schultz did when she threatened the head of the capital police. we have actual criminal elements. this guy was arrested trying to flee the country. we have interference from foreign politicians. these guys were given $100,000 by a prominent iraqi politician. in other words, everything that they have been looking for in the rush investigation and failed to find it's actually staring them in the face. with this mysterious guy, and

that's before the more obvious problems with the story, which is how does one guy from pakistan, his wife, their two brothers, and at least one of their sisters in law and up providing i.t. services for dozens of democrat, powerful figures. that in itself is actually pretty unusual. >> tucker: it is. it's an odd story from start to finish, and may be weirdest is even after this guy was under a public cloud, even after debbie wasserman schultz had threatened, apparently, the capital police looking into it, this news story -- he worked for her until yesterday? why would she do that? >> he was arrested at dallas airport on monday night. she terminated his employment, which was, by the way at the expense of you and i and every other taxpayer, on tuesday.

most of the other democrat congressman for who this family worked, they get rid of this family, both the wife and brother in law and so on, back at the end of february, beginning of march. occam's razor would suggest that the reason she kept him on was that because she was additionally head of the dnc, he had too much on her. that's the basic explanation. he knew her ipad password, which means, by the way, you might not longer need to worry about whether vladimir putin gave the dnc emails to the wikileaks guy at the colombian embassy or whatever it is in london. never mind that. the man arrested at dallas airport actually had debbie wasserman schultz's password, and there's so much collusion going on here that debbie actually colluded with a guy fleeing by giving him the password herself.

if the ever-expanding investigation, bob mueller would like something else to send is hillary donors to work on, they can wrap this thing up in the next 48 hours. it's all staring them in the face. >> tucker: hears that -- we referenced earlier, the threat that she made against capital police in this. that's a pretty strong thing to say about someone. ethic we actually have tape of this in case anyone doubts. here's debbie wasserman schultz. >> my understanding, the capital police are not able to confiscate members equipment when the member is not under investigation. i think you are violating the rules when you conduct your business that way. i think there will be consequences. >> tucker: oh. there will be consequences says the member of congress to the person who works for her. >> that's a powerful house committee member threatening law enforcement, saying if you know what's good for you you are

going to return what she calls "my laptop" which is in effect a laptop that this guy, the guy that is borrowing money from iraqi politicians and whatnot, is in control and under the supervision of the guy who was arrested. and she's threatening -- again, this isn't like trump saying obliquely to jim comey, "can you assure me that my hopes that i will always have your loyalty" -- it's nothing anything oblique as oath and loyalty, she sang give me this piece of evidence in a criminal investigation or you guys are going to get it. >> tucker: she's not a master of the oblique. >> what's interesting is, this guy, his wife, his brothers in law, the brother and sister-in-law, they've made $5 million, it's estimated, because the democrats as we know

require highly specialized computer services. you have to be able to go to home depot, by the biggest hammer, and that costs money. these guys made $5 million and there's still borrowing money from iraqi politicians. >> tucker: market, great to see you tonight. place your bets for the republicans -- straight repeal failed today. mitch mcconnell's final option is to get 50 senators support for some kind of replacement bill. we asked of the vice president about the repeal effort, and here's what he said. >> tucker: so you all had a tough time, you've been working hard to wrangle votes from republicans in the congress and cast -- you cast the tie-breaking vote yesterday. "the wall street journal" had a piece the other day saying that they have an exemption to some of the requirements and they get up massive taxpayer subsidy for their health care. it's possible by the administered of decree to end

this special treatment to members of congress have awarded themselves. the president could do that. are you planning to do that? >> vice president pence: what we are planning to do is keep our promise to the market people. president trump made it clear. throughout the campaign last year. we were going to repeal and replace the disastrous failure of obamacare. every promise that was made to pass obamacare seven years ago, when i was a member of congress, turned out to be a lie. they said you like your doctor you can keep it, you like your health insurance you can keep it, they said the cost of health insurance would go down. every single one of those proved to be false, and the president and i met just a few days ago at the white house with families that are bearing the burden of rising premiums and the lack of insurance, the lack of ability to choose your doctor. the president absolutely determined this week to continue to hold congress accountable, and we couldn't be more grateful for the leadership in the house

that moved legislation to repeal and replace obamacare, and we are grateful for all the members of the senate who moved us forward. the debate is going on even as we speak. we are going to rest until we give people a fresh start on health care. >> tucker: most people would be for that, but why should members of congress and their staffs have a better deal, not subject to the same rules that everybody else is? >> vice president pence: again again, that's pretty typical in washington, d.c. isn't that? over the years, you more often than not see one set of rules for the american people and one set of rules for the political class here in our nation's capital. but as we move forward, the point is that whether the president makes the decision it would be his decision. whether to rescind that special treatment for members of cronk, congress what we want is a health care system that works for all people. it's going that mean cheaper coverage because that -- does

that mean a larger percentage covered, better health care outcomes? if you get in the primary goal of the replace part of the deal, what would be? >> vice president pence: i think the primary goal, first, is to give people freedom over their own health care choices. right now it's amazing to think, the center of obamacare is a requirement that every american by health insurance whether they wanted or needed to or not. if they don't buy health insurance, the government orders them to do, they have to pay a fine to the federal government. 6.5 million americans paid a fine to the government because their choices and health insurance, they are being forced to buy, were so bad. i've heard from those families, the president hears from those families all across the country. first is the freedom to the america people to make their own health care choices. the second is restoring the kind of free market that will allow the health insurance innovation to happen to bring down the cost of health insurance for every

american. senator ted cruz and others have worked on legislation to give people wider choices. the president is determined, before we are dumb of this process, and maybe this will take another bill after this one, to give people the ability to buy health insurance across state lines. and lastly, what we want to do is and the one-size-fits-all medicaid for our most vulnerable population. the president believes the time has come for us to get done i give states the ability to reform medicaid the way we did when i was governor of indiana. in ways that will better meet the needs of our most vulnerable people. >> tucker: is also choices is the main culprit >> vice president pence: giving people freedom, giving them more choices, lower cost insurance and allowing states to innovate and be creative about the way -- >> tucker: but after a year or two of giving people more choices, millions fewer americans had health insurance, would that be worth worth a? >> vice president pence: well, it's -- the very essence of

living in a free society is people get to make their own decisions. but the president and i truly believe that if you lower the cost of health insurance, if you give americans more choices in health insurance, that more americans will choose more employers will choose to have and offer health insurance to their employees and have health insurance for their families. the reality is today, president obama promised that health insurance would go down by $2500 a year. they've gone up by more than that amount, on average around the country. it's hurting families, it's driving people away from being able to afford health insurance. the present and i believe that more choices, more freedom, more free market principles, and more state flexibility is going to meet the needs of our health care economy and the 21st century? >> tucker: my last question is a political one. if all of that is true, why can't republicans in the congress see that? why are so many saying i can't vote for this version because i

don't want to pay the cost at the next election? >> vice president pence: i think the president and i are very encouraged by homely members of the house and senate are saying yes. >> tucker: but the ones that are afraid, were they afraid of? >> vice president pence: the house of representatives labored through a very challenging process. the president talked about the fact that obamacare is dead. the system is collapsing around us. there's the old saying that it's hard to turn a big ship at sea, but it's actually hard to turn a sinking ship, tucker, and that's what obamacare is. the reality is members of congress have been working carefully, we've been very carefully compromising for the majorities in the house, and now in the senate to move the debate forward. it's all about making sure that as we transition back to free market, to a system of state-based innovation and reform, it would make sure it happens in an orderly way as the president committed during the campaign, and americans relying on health insurance today can

know that there is going to be a system in place, the ability through tax credits and other opportunities for them to have even more affordable health insurance that they can choose. >> tucker: mr. vice president, thank you for that. >> vice president pence: good to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: remembered the mystery is trumped i see a? the one from russia? it's never been verified. for a lot of people it is proof that the president colluded with the dastardly vladimir putin. next up, we will be talking to a whoooo.

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the lowest prices. >> tucker: january was just six months ago, but it may as well be a century back. if you can remember all the way back to january. you may recall the existence of an unverified dossier stating that the president was once comprised of russian intelligence and some pretty flagrant ways. there's no proof any of that was accurate. but the dossier still a key piece of proof that the president colluded with russia according to a lot of people.

the president of the human rights foundation, he recently testified to congress that the dossier was the work of professional smear artist. he knows this because they targeted him as well. good to see you tonight, thor. why did they go after you? >> well, fusion gps, they try and promote themselves as a sort of opposition research or strategic intelligence firm. when really what fusion gps is, it's a company that sells itself to the highest bidder to bring together smear campaigns. to try to destroy honest, good people who go against their clients. in my case it was whistleblowing against a group of criminal venezuelans operating a company called derwent associates that sold 12 faulty electric plants in venezuela. they had no experience before, they had nothing to do with the sector, and yet they got $3 billion worth of business in venezuela of which they skimmed

around $2 billion. and then they hired fusion gps to go after those of us who were opposing them and blowing the whistle on them. >> tucker: personally, very personally. >> imagine waking up one day and seeing a headline and a friend's website that says that i am a neocon scam artist, then you read the article that it says that i am there in some twitter and facebook posts, that i sleep with children, that i'm a heroin addict, that i've been to rehab. it says i'm in embezzler. i imagine everything -- imagine accusations that are so horrible that being innocent isn't enoug enough. accusation so horrible you can explain them. that is what fusion gps -- that's what they specialize in. >> tucker: so they literally did that to you? >> yes. they literally did this to me. i'm not the only person that they did this too. they also did it to an investigative blogger in london

i was also following the exact same case, and it was the same accusations. it was drug addiction, pedophilia, in his case they through drug trafficking and rate and a few other things, these are not good people. these people who used to be serious journalists and are now trading their credentials in exchange for a very high from criminals abroad. >> tucker: those are really awful things to say. we're almost out of time, but you know who may have paid fusion gps to create this dossier on the president? >> i can't speak to the dossier about the president, i have zero knowledge about it. i haven't even read it. but i do have knowledge about fusion gps. what i hope is that the senate and the department of justice pursue them for fara violations, they try to cloak everything under attorney client print comic privilege, they cloak it was lit atomic lawyers. they are not good people. they are turning journalism into a sewer.

they have a very long history of doing so. for viewers who don't live here, fara is the foreign agent registration, which is a big deal. thor, thanks a lot for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: the twilight zone last year coming up just reality, i'm next we'll talk about a wisconsin company that is talking about putting microchips into the bodies of microchips into the bodies of

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>> tucker: the terrifying future of every 80s science fiction movie has finally arrived. a vending machine company in wisconsin is offering to implant its employees and physically in their bodies with microchips. tree square markets has the chips which are about the size

of a grain of rice could be used to access computers, operate printers, or buy goods from vending machines. tablas b is the owner of three square markets. he welcomes us to the brave new world, and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me, tucker. glad to be here. >> tucker: so on the one hand, of course, i salute your american innovation great on the other hand, i shiver in horror at the level of control you'll have over your employees went to implant microchips and their bodies. why would you do that? >> well, that's really a misconception regarding the microchips. they are not gps devices. we cannot track them in the workplace at all. they are basically used for conveniences that happen at the workplace, and around the world. they are arnold tracking devices, and we can't trace them anywhere. >> tucker: leaving aside the fact that of course i don't believe you, why not give your employees cards?

to they not have pockets in the clothing? why would you want to ingest int them with something like that? >> they have access to proximity cards which would do the same thing as the chip. they also have access to pin pads with four digit logins that will get them in the building. however, it's much more convenient to a lot of our employees being a technology company, it's the convenience factor that our employees are really in favor of. >> tucker: do you tattoo them with anything? >> no we do not good it's basically an implant that goes right beneath the skin between your thumb and your forefinger. >> tucker: if an employee had this implanted in his or her hand, and then left your company, they quit, could you pull them back using the chip? could you instruct them to come back? >> no we cannot. chances are they will probably keep the chip in because we have a lot of nonemployees that are

actually going to be implanted with a chip on tuesday next week, along with, we've had calls from several hospitals, and about over 20 businesses that are very interested in getting this chip. >> tucker: now, you can change their opinions with these chips, or their thoughts with the chips? >> well, we can change their opinions or thoughts but the chips at all, no. there's no frequencies, no weird science that happens with it. it's an i.d. chip that has to be held within 6 inches of a proximity reader, and earlier you mentioned passwords and people having access to them, one of the benefits of this chip is it literally eliminates passwords whatsoever anywhere within the business. you can login with your microchip hand so that nobody knows your passwords, not even you. >> tucker: of course i'm joking and a lot of my questions, but when you say there's no weird science in

this, we are just injecting a microchip in your body's you can use the printer, will you at least can see that there is some weird science? >> well it is out there as far as technology goes, but so was the driverless car ten years ago, now we have people sitting in it without a driver. >> tucker: that still weird technology to me. last question, would you be comfortable if the government or amazon, same thing i guess, did this to you? >> they do to the military right now. the government does. it's a huge tactical advantage out on the field, also with children and we had a country call us regarding kidnappings, they are having a problem. it's the next thing. >> tucker: i'm going to

>> tucker: where did the hour ago?

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