>> shannon: are you going to stay up all night? >> bill: don't move, folks. could happen any time. or not. "happening now" starts now. >> jon: fox news alert on the battle to repeal obamacare this morning, it's all coming to a head on the senate floor where we are waiting another vote. does that surprise you? >> melissa: no, not at all. >> jon: i'm jon scott. >> melissa: i melissa francis. we are alive on capitol hill whereafter failed back-to-back attempts on health care legislation week alone, republicans are now pinning their hopes on a narrowly focused bill, the skinny repeal, that undoes the most unpopular elements of obamacare lite the individual mandate and attacks on medical devices.

democrats are definitely not on board. the senate majority leader says this has to get done. >> ultimately, we want to get legislation to finally end of the failed care status quo through congress and to the presidents desk for his signature. >> democrats will be here fighting for as long as it takes to beat back these shameful health care bills. we hear the american people, we hear you, we are on your side, and we will never give up. >> melissa: peter doocy is live on capitol hill with more on this showdown. peter, what can you tell us at this hour? >> melissa, senator lisa murkowski, one of the hardest votes to get, one of the two republicans who voted no on the motion to proceed is standing right here and she just confirmed to this group of reporters, as we're walking with her in the hallway, that she got

a call from ryan zinke expressing his displeasure about her position on health care so far. that confirms reports that she's been feeling a lot of heat from the white house to come around and she changed her mind and the other republican no vote, senator susan collins told us a little bit about that just a few minutes ago on her way into this hearing. >> if the reports are true, lisa murkowski is doing her best for her constituents. >> reporter: we were -- >> there is a lot of talk now

about this skinny repeal that would restrict the mandates and medical device task, but leave the rest of obamacare in place. it may be seen as the only way to get moderates and conservatives on board with something i could pass, but the problem is, nobody knows what's in it. >> i don't know what skinny repeal is. there is no indication of what would be in that bill. i'm for repeal and replace and we are continuing to work on replacement because we need it badly, we need a rescue plan for people of ohio who are and counties where there is not a single insurer. >> there is a cbo score released by senate democrats last night that show a skinny repeal could increase premiums by 20%, but it's not clear how amendments would make that number go up or down, so again, we still don't know what the impact would be, but there are republican senators were very excited to vote on an obamacare placement.

senator john kenney, he said he will be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. >> melissa: what an interesting image. it's going to be a long and exciting day for us and all of them. hope everybody will stay tuned, thank you so much, peter. >> jon: democrats pass to the obamacare process into law without any republic in support, now they are enjoying watching republicans trying to undo their work. this is the senate minority leader chuck schumer speaking now about obamacare. let's listen. >> how many more months will this go on? how many more months, when we could be sitting down and a bipartisan way with my good friend from arizona has recommended, and work together in the committee process? this morning i saw lamar alexander, the head of the health committee in the gym, we see each other just about every morning in the gym. i was wearing my syracuse t-shirt and he was wearing his tennessee volunteers t-shirt.

i said to lamar, "if this skinny bill goes down, as it should, we will, and i spoke to patty murray, we will sit down and work in a bipartisan way to improve obamacare." we know obamacare needs some work, we don't deny that. let's do it in a bipartisan way. instead of passing this hot potato back and forth and not getting anything done. >> jon: that's chuck schumer live on the floor of the senate expressing some of the democrats view on the republican efforts to repeal and replace obamacare. let's talk about what's going on with a.b. stoddard and vince colones a.b., it appears they're heading toward a vote for this so-called

skinny repeal, but nobody seems to know a lot about what's in it, can you enlighten us? >> it's what peter told us is basically a repeal of the individual mandates. it would have certainly been one of the first things they attempted, democrats, to join with republicans on if hillary clinton had won, but this is not a repeal and it keeps the medicaid expansion, those taxes, so what happened between last night and this morning was that there was some enthusiasm for this idea just being a process, let's hurtle it back over to the house and this could begin the house-senate conference process. i way to keep the conversation going and keep it alive, but now the new anxiety is at the house will take it rate up and this would indeed become the final thing that passes and there wouldn't be a conference or a

consensus draft that would be a start all over again draft, so that's a worry that i think people like senator collins who say i don't know what's in it and they won't end up with the numbers they were hoping to from this sort of no big deal. they don't wanted to be the final product. i think that has a chance of imperiling the numbers before they get to the vote. >> jon: if you drop the individual mandate, vents, don't millions of people just drop from the roles of obamacare of their own volition? >> this is the challenge republicans are facing. if they're going to drop the penalties of the individual mandate, they'll also have to see if they can find some cost savings for one because if they get it through the reconciliation progress procesh drop from obamacare because there's no inducement for them

to join it. only the people who have to stay on obamacare, high-risk patients, will see a rise dramatically potentially a people decide is not worth it, there is no individual mandate anymore, i'm out. this is a half measure, this is not a real attempt at fixing it. if you're going after that mandate, you'll also have to go after the out of control costs and health care. >> jon: vince, if we get a cbo score and there is no indicatio indication -- if we saw a cbo score that says 12, 15, 30 million people, whatever, would be lost from the health insurance roles, primarily that would be because they don't want to pay the penalty, right? >> right. the cbo in general has a difficult time predicting when human behavior will be. that's the belief. you have people who decide i don't need this, i'll be fine, i'm healthy. young people especially.

these are people that the obama administration went after. they wanted people in their 20s to be forced to join health plans because by and large, many are saying no need, i'll be fine. >> jon: my senior producer is telling me the cbo did score the bill, ab, and 16 million people would be uninsured if it were to pass this skinny repeal. that doesn't seem to sit well. when senators read these headlines that say x number millions of people would no longer be insured, they seem to run a little scared. >> the cbo scores always scare a few extra votes when they come out. they also said premiums would rise by 20%. as of last night, they were ignoring with the cbo assessment was because they thought this was just going to be a shallow bill that will send over. now the concern is, what if the house just passes it and it was the final product and they voted

for it? if it's not just a vehicle to go to a conference, they could end up supporting this bill. that's why the numbers are going to drop, unless there's a real agreement that it will not be the final product. a few months ago, house members when this was failing kept saying to me, the only bill that can make it to trump's desk to be signed is something crafted by the senate. we have to stop being forced to take a tough vote, we should send a bill over there and then they can write this bill. the endgame is always going to happen in the senate. the idea that the senate is trying to punch this back, it doesn't bode well. >> jon: right, because when the house bill passed and there was that big celebration in the rose garden, everybody was saying, we won't even pick up the house legislation, we are doing our own thing.

>> jon: dominic >> whether or not they can use the processes of the senate to get something meaningful out, i think both republicans and democrats have a lot to answer here. democrats are acting and obstructive way. there no way interest in helpi. chuck schumer is trying to walk that line, meanwhile, republicans are not delivering to their base. their base asked for a lot more than this and if they're only giving them half of it which will result in higher premiums and fewer people having health care, that will annoy a lot of the people who put these guys in office. >> jon: let's put into mind that one should not observe how laws or sausages are made. it's getting pretty ugly there in washington, d.c., we'll see what happens in the next 24-hour period vince and ab, think of both. >> melissa: a key witness in the russian investigation shedding new light and how the

put in operation. bill browder testifying before the senate judiciary committee this morning, rather spearheaded the magnitsky act imposing sanctions on russians involved in the death of his former accounting. >> serge give sworn testimony to the russian committee which is their version of the fbi and we waited for the good guys to get the bad guys. it turned out that in putin's russia, there are no good guys. on november 24th, 2008, about 4 weeks after sergey testified before a bunch of corrupt officials, some of the same officials he testified against came to his home at 8:00 in the morning in front of his wife and two children, arrested him, they put him in pretrial detention, where they then tortured to withdraw his testimony. >> melissa: catherine herridge is live on capitol hill. this is a big story.

>> thanks, melissa. bill browder testified that the russian lawyer natalia veselnitskaya, the one who is at the 2016 trump tower meeting was part of this broad effort to get the magnitsky act repealed and these are sanctions that were leveled after this russian whistleblower was murdered because he had exposed the corruption of vladimir putin's government. >> two-way russian agent or official, a conversation about adoptions is a conversation about what? >> nobody was hung by adoption, they were talking about the repeal of sanctions so russian tortures and murders could continue. >> and his testimony, bill browder also made the point that a key player who is part of a broad effort to repeal the sanctions was also a key player in the commissioning of the unverified anti-trump dossier and in this exchange with republican senator lindsey

graham, browder explains how the russians operate. >> is it common for russia to play both sides against the middle? >> yes. but a report and is in the business of trying to create chaos everywhere. >> for this dump any fusion gps, this is run by this former journalist with "the wall street journal," glenn simpson, or contacts focused on discussions with the committee say the subpoena was withdrawn, simpson did not have to appear today and he is now cooperating with them in an effort to provide a transcribed interview, some testimony in the future about this unverified dossier. >> melissa: lots of information they are, catherine herridge, thank you for that report. >> jon: the staff shakeup by the white house might be the beginning as a new communications director anthony scaramucci suggests it might be time to clean house. the white house. >> what i have to focus on is the 40 or so people in my staff.

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>> one of the big problem is that i'm discovering is that senior people are the guys doing the leaking when they ask junior people to leak for them. >> melissa: new signs of a growing risk in the white house west wing is new communications director anthony scaramucci suggests more people may have to go to stop all the leaks. >> as you know from the italian expression, the fish stinks from the head down. i can tell you to fish that don't stink and that's me on the president. i don't like the activity that's going on in the white house, i don't like what they're doing to my friend, i don't like what they're doing to the president of the united states. if you want to talk about the staff, we have had differences. when i said we were brothers from the podium, it's because

we're rough. some brothers are like cain and abel, other brothers can fight with each other and get along. i don't know if this is repairable or not, that will be up to the president. >> melissa: that interview after the scare in which he released this tweet which has since been deleted. in light of the leak, i will be contacting fbi and the justice department. all this marking more speculation that scaramucci is gunning for reince priebus' job as white house chief of staff. a.j. elrod is a former press secretary for the democratic national campaign committee. roy matheson's former chief of staff. you guys have both but in these positions. age again, let start with you. what do you think's going on?

>> this is crazy. first of all, scaramucci probably should have realized that financial disclosure forms are public information before he went out there and tweeted at the fbi and blamed the white house chief of staff. at the end of the day, we are dealing with another example of somebody who is working in this white house who is in it for himself and not the actual public service aspect. >> melissa: let me stop you right there. how do you get that he's in it for himself based on that? >> my point is, it's fairly obvious that he is gunning for reince priebus is chief of staff position. he's throwing him under the bus, he's tweeting that he's leaking this information, if scaramucci wants to be an effective munication's director, this is not the right way to get up to the right start. >> is an interesting indication of what's going on within the white house and i think the reason you have so many leaks is because you have a very transactional situation going

on. you don't have a lot of relationship building. that's when leaks happen. whether you like president obama or president george w. bush, they had fiercely loyal inner circles because they had relationships. i think what you're going to see between now and the end of august is you'll see that shift within the white house staff. if the white house was really smart, they'd bring in someone like dave bossi who understands inside and outside, but can build relationships and focus for the white house. right now, you have too many things going on. >> melissa: i need you guys to stand by, we're going to squeeze in a quick break. don't move. >> jon: a tragic accident on the ohio state fair. throwing people to the ground in front of dozens horrified witnesses. >> everything started normally and then it started shaking and stuff, it was shaking real bad.

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we do business where you do business. ♪ ♪ >> melissa: let's get back to adrian elrod, and boyd matheson. adrian, the problem with the leaks continues out of the white house and even if this was a form that was available, it's likely someone putting them towards it and said did you know the form is available and there might be stuff on there that interests you? it tells about the struggles going on in the white house, but proceeded anthony scaramucci. >> i completely agree and i give

anthony scaramucci credit, but i don't think he's going about it in the right way. the point that we made earlier about you have to form respectful relationship, when he can do is come in their and do what he can to stop the leaks, but whatever he's doing right now is not working and there seems to be a low level of respect thus far. >> melissa: i don't know about that. he does have a history with cnn, when they put out that big news story about him, he demanded a retraction. and they apologized, he respected accepted it. listen to what he said on cnn. >> reince priebus' name is connected to this every time it comes out in the last 24 hours. >> i don't want to speak to

about that. he can address that himself. people know my history with him, but i can speak for my own actions, he'll have to speak for his own actions. >> at the relationship between scaramucci and previous went from 0-devcon status in a nanosecond. it's a problem for the president. one of the challenges, if you have everyone reporting to the president, so if everyone special, nobody special. adrian understands this as a former chief of staff. if you don't have some structure and strategy and you build a relationship in terms of the culture, all you're doing is our ruins chasing their own agenda. if the administration really wants to make that leap, if you want to end the leaks, they have got the right person in there is chief of staff. the right person has to have the right authority to create a culture based on a relationship that can move the president's agenda forward. everyone has to remember, there's only one name on the

door and it's not theirs. >> melissa: they have that and reince priebus was in charge when the leaks are going on and then anthony was brought in, so maybe there is a structure and it's just that priebus is on his way out. >> who knows, we'll see what happens in the future. this is third grade playground tactics. you have this person who's been in the job for eight weeks going on television and criticizing the white house chief of staff. this is not why people voted for president trump. you see a lot of support in middle america where people are struggling and some of these economically distressed estates. people do not want to have this infighting. >> melissa: boyd, it didn't start like this when anthony came on the job. i was on the air live when he came out and do that first press conference. they said they were all friends and it was all fine. they did try to get along at

first and they tried to portray it like they were one big happy family and it fell apart. >> unfortunately, when you have failed threats and laughter followed by real threats and laughter, that may be a family dinner, but is not the kind of family you want in the west wing of the white house. again, you have to have somebody in there who understands inside outside games, who understands the president and has the toughness. that's why dave bossi is such a central point to the administration, getting on track because it's both the conservative movements. i'm going to come full circle, it's the relationships. as long as they're based on transaction, leaks will continue, fumbles will happen. unforced errors, and again, that's not good for the american people, especially the forgotten men and women who elected president trump and put him in the white house. >> melissa: scaramucci said i'm a front stepper kind of person, i'm getting that printer on the back of a t-shirt.

thanks. >> jon: new information about the deadly accident at the ohio state fair. police just releasing the name of victims. after one of the attractions malfunctioned killing 18-year-old tyler gerald and injuring seven others. the fireball was at its highest point when it broke apart, throwing the eight victims some 30 feet into the air. >> it was too much. it's not safe. >> jon: mike tobin joins us live with more. >> the phrase we keep hearing from witnesses is worst nightmare. this video is hard to watch, so be warned. it's opening day of the state fair.

it's categorized as an aggressive thrill ride, it's called the fireball. some witnesses say they heard the sound of metal cracking before tragedy struck. >> it started normally administered shaking real bad. this girl kept saying my seat keeps shaking. and then and just flew off, the whole thing flew off. her legs hit, her leg flew -- her whole leg. and then she went to the ground and she wasn't breathing. >> 18-year-old tyler gerald was killed on impact from ohio. seven more hospitalized, to discharged and three cling to life in critical condition. the ride was inspected. all of the rides are shut down pending a review of the inspection process. >> jon: awful story. mike tobin, thank you. >> melissa: we are alive and capitol hill were momentum is

growing for the skinny repeal of obamacare, what would that mean for americans insured under the law? we are going to break it down.

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>> jon: fox news alert coming in on have been rumblings in washington that the president would like to fire robert mueller, the former head of the fbi who is now the special counsel investigating any russian interference in our election process.

perhaps any relationship to russians and the trump campaign as well. now there is an effort in the senate to insulate the special counsel from any firing by the president. one republican and two democratic senators as saying they are among committee members working on legislation that would prevent such a firing without judicial review. senator lindsey graham of south carolina, sheldon whitehouse of rhode island and richard blumenthal of connecticut on board with that potential legislation. we'll keep an eye on it and let you know how it goes in the u.s. senate. >> melissa: we want to take you right now to house speaker paul ryan. he is holding a his weekly press briefing. he said that he thinks reince priebus is doing a fantastic job, let's listen in. >> i'll reserve judgment until i see what they release. >> reporter: of the senate does pass something, what's the chance -- >> extending our session is

obviously an option that we are considering. the majority leader will make some sense of that later on. what does the senate do? we don't know what the senate is going to do, so therefore we will reserve judgment as to what our responses until we find out with the senate actually does. you've got a scar if, i can't see. there it is, just making sure. i don't read that stuff. [indistinct question] >> i think what you saw, it was

19-3. you had all but three republicans voted for tough sanctions on these three regimes, north korea, iran, and russia. the message coming from congress on a bipartisan basis are these are hostile regimes and sanctions are warranted, saints are called for. we want to make sure they are tough sanctions and that's why we wanted to figure this out and get the policy right. there were some constitutional issues with the senate, we got through those and we all agree, we believe these tough hostile regimes deserve sanctions and this is the bipartisan compromise that produces that and that's why you have this big vote count. we need to sanction his resumes because of what they've done. [indistinct question]

>> the last thing i'm going to do is negotiate tax reform in public. you know me all too well. our tax writers will be the one writing this bill. we're going to work to get consensus so they can go right this legislation. we are not interested in negotiating in public what those committees will be doing. [indistinct question] >> the problem here, the concern in the house was whether or not the military would be forced to pay for these procedures. i share those concerns. the question on the broader issue, that is being reviewed by the dod and the white house and i look forward to seeing what they produce. >> reporter: senator graham earlier today raised some

roadblocks to firing -- >> i think it's in the president's interest that he stays where he is and he continues with his job. >> jon: a vote of confidence there for robert mueller and also for reince priebus, a man with whom the speaker is personally close, both being republican leaders from wisconsin. reince priebus has been under some fire at the white house. more on that. >> melissa: more on the senate senate's plan to repeal obamacare. some in the g.o.p. view as a last resort, the skinny repeal. >> my guess is we'll figure out some kind of skinny down version. it's disappointing to me, but

we'll have to keep this process moving. otherwise, we're stuck with the mess of obamacare. >> melissa: chuck schumer is concerned about the impact of the skinny repeal and what effect that can have on the american public. >> if the reports are true, the republicans will offer a skinny repeal plan. we just heard from the nonpartisan congressional budget office that under such a plan, as reported in the press, 16 million americans would lose their health insurance and millions more would pay a 20% increase in their premiums. at least 20%. >> melissa: joining us now is john goodman. thank you for joining us. do you think it's a little disingenuous of chuck schumer to get upset about the skinny repeal?

isn't it about the vehicle for continuing negotiations? >> you are right, but we still to look at it. no one likes a mandate, so if there is an employer mandate that will be gone, the individual mandate that will be gone. if that's all you do, then that gives people incentive to remain uninsured until they get sick. what schumer missed the boat on is whether people will lose their insurance. they will choose not to ensure until they get sick, but that's not a good result for the syste system. >> melissa: if you can stick with us on the other side of the break, we'll talk about the changes that will be made. stick with us, thank you. >> jon: there's also a bombshell new report linking a russian mobster to form a trump campaign manager paul manafort. how deep to those ties go and did anyone break the law? let's take a look at some numbers:

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>> melissa: i want to welcome back john goodman, president of goodman institute for public policy research and senior fellow with the independent institute. things were sticking around with us. what do you think needs to happen with the system to make it more viable? what will make it work? >> what we need to do is extend that tax credit that's found in the individual market to people at work. those folks aren't getting any help from obamacare, but 85% of the uninsured have connection to the workplace and group insurance is cheaper and better. instead of doing what obamacare does, pouring all the money into the individual market and throwing good money out, they should make the tax credit available for everybody. >> melissa: what about the idea of grouping people together in an association? understand what you're saying. one of the other ways rather than through the workplace, why don't you have work and they can

get together across state lines? >> people are already grouped through their jobs, so i say let's start with the associations we have. if you want to form new ones, that's good. the insurance that work are better than the individual market, else let's start where we are. >> melissa: we are still talking about the price of health care policies and that doesn't say anything about the cost of actually repeating the care. i don't know that that solves the problem. how do you do with the affordability problem when it comes to actual services? >> we have to quit insisting that people buy these policies from all these bells and whistles and have deductibles that are $6,000 for an individual and $12,000 for a couple. ed said, we need to buy insurance which is suitable for their own needs and their own financial situation. that means fairly low deductibles and health savings

accounts and then we have to keep these plans where they are trying to have cancer patients or heart patients or diabetics. the market needs to work like a real market and we need to empower and liberate individual individuals. >> melissa: easier said than done. we've got a lot of work to do, thanks for joining us. >> jon: nbc news is out with a report tying paul manafort to a wealthy ukrainian businessman described as an upper echelon associate of russian mobsters. we'll get into it with our legal panel up ahead. awesome notebook! check. but who takes care of them? office depot / office max. this week, these composition books are just 25 cents each. ♪ taking care of business

>> jon: core documents appear to tie former trump campaign manager paul manafort to russian mobsters. the headline from nbc news reads doj x manafort associates. the article goes on to say the department of justice has identified a former business associate of paul manafort as an upper echelon associate a russian organized crime. let's get into it with our legal panel. wendy patrick is a former prosecutor. john, is paul manafort in legal trouble here?

>> this is where a witch hunt can become a witch trial. the reality is if this guy has discussions with manafort many years ago about refurbishing an iconic hotel in new york. they never did business together, they never exchange any money. it's a big zero, and now prosecutors of chicago are saying maybe he had contact with organized crime. he is not charged with that, it's never been proven. right now, it's nothing. a lot of fluff. there's nothing here. >> jon: the drake hotel was torn down in 2011. these guys were talking about buying it, but those discussions never went anywhere, does that mean that paul manafort is an associate of the sky? >> what you're asking them where a question. is he an associate or accomplic

accomplice? was this a conspiracy or where they're going to collaborate question at the headline you read earlier, they sounded very anonymous manafort has been pummeled in the news media because remember, we are looking at all of us in the throes of a russian collusion investigation by special counsel mueller. everything report takes on this ominous tone which would not be there otherwise. is this just a business partnership and ever was or is it actually reflective of something much deeper? >> jon: he's ukrainian, not russian. the organized crime that he is alleged to be involved in, let me ask you, nor the lawyer.

is it organized crime? >> no, he's being charged with bribing public officials and the country of india. he is not being charged with anything relating to organized crime. his defense lawyers have said he's a member of the russian organized crime crew, but there is no proof and it has nothing to do with manna manafort. it's incredibly unfair for him to be pretrade in the media is having some connections to organized crime and there's nothing there and when it's never been alleged. >> jon: this is guilt by association, if you will? >> he's not guilty by association because many of us know people, you never thought you were in involved. that does not equate to the level of knowledge that would be required to proceed criminally.

that's what prosecutors will look at, not that it's somebody has these ties that are shady or this case, and looks a lot worse than that. what do manafort no? what is it have to do with him? we are at such a preliminary stages that he's guilty by association. >> jon: knowing what you know, does this case go forward? >> against manafort? there's nothing there. they're going to try their best to prosecute that guy for unrelated charges, but it has no connection to paul manafort. >> jon: something to keep in mind when you read the headline headlines. thank you both. we are back in a moment. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?

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