will because fair and balanced have a great weekend. back to the battle on monday. see you then. ♪ ♪ >>good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we just landed from el salvador, pretty short flight. by the time we landed, things seem to have changed dramatically in washington. it was at least the fourth day in a row that has happened, where everything you thought you knew about politics in dc changed in just an instant. i am pleased to inform you that i have just named general

secretary john f kelly as chief of staff. the president then made this statement. >> reince is a good man. john kelly will do a fantastic job. general kelly has been a star, done an incredible job thus far, respected by everybody, a great, great american. reince priebus, a good man. thank you very much. >> will kelly make an effective chief of staff? everybody's hoping for it. the white house needs that more than anything at the at the moment. the powerful branch seemed to e devolve this week. people need to believe that the world they wake up to tomorrow will bear some resemblance to

the world they live in right now. that's the last thing we need here. a political system is fragile enough. bad things could happen. so let's hope the upswing begins with general kelly this afternoon. for more of what's going on, brett joins us. how did this happen? >> i think it happened over a number of days, tucker. to hear reince priebus tell the story, he resigned yesterday, thursday. the tweet obviously took everybody by surprise. but apparently the president had been talking to general kelly over a number of weeks. i think they're looking for order, for continuity, as you said. and general kelly has a history of doing that. kelly was panetta's aid at the

pentagon, senior aid. and he believes in his mind that he's comforted by this choice and called it the best choice donald trump has made as president. someone that can get all the fire going in the same direction, outside of the building. one of the key questions is to what extent of the white house staff. >> we're hearing he has a lot of authority. but will anthony scaramucci -- will he also go to general kelly? what about ivanka trump? also a senior advisor and daughter. we're hearing senior officials say that he has the authority, the trust of the president, and he's going toing straighten out this white house.

>> you hate to speculate, but you also have trouble believing that the general, who i think is regarded as impressive, wouldn't have taken the job without the authority to do it? >> he was in a job that he was succeeding at. the stats were going his way, the department of homeland security. he fell on his sword at the beginning. he was the one who went out in front of the press and said, i can do better, and did. so i do think there was this loyalty factor. and we'll see if the authority falls in. just one historical context here. in 1973, president nixon turned to al hague to become chief of staff when hr haldeman was

exited out. >> yeah, to bring order out of chaos. so the only criticism i've seen so far has been barbara lee of california. and she said, "this is a terrifying indicator of the direction the white house is going." >>think about just the messaging, what we've been through. monday -- it's hard believe, but it was monday sean spicer left. then we've had this healthcare bill that falls apart. we also had a number of events during the week, including a north korea launching a missile today. and now you have at the end of the week, and it's only friday, the white house chief of staff stepping down. it's been quite a journey this

week. >> i would add that the president also attacked his attorney general. >> so i was talking to someone at the white house just a minute ago. we just landed. he said there was concern there among the people who had come over from the rnc. reince priebus of course was their guy. and they believe that maybe this suggests a move away from kind of the conventional washington way of doing things to something else. do you think they're reading too much into it? >> no, i don't. i think this healthcare situation, with this vote going down, with you tremendously disappoint ing. if you believe this story being put out, that was before the healthcare fell apart. but probably there are some timeline issues here. you have a republican establishment figure that was in the white house. and if you think about this,

this president probably said, let's try it from the outside. will general john kelly be up on the domestic political inside or will kellyanne conway take a more prominent role on that politics track? >> that's exactly it. and my last question, i don't know if this is even knowable but what are his politics? >> he's been very loyal to this president. he's worked with both sides of the aisle. he was a marine general. he was the commander of southern command. three tours in iraq. lost his son in afghanistan fighting for the country. his ideology and his politics on domestic issues has never come up. but he's someone who is very accomplished and likes order. and that possibly is what this white house wants. >> and that may be the most important thing.

thanks for that. i appreciate it. reince priebus himself spoke with hannity. >> i'm feeling good about the fact that he's making a change that makes him comfortable with moving forward. we had a good talk yesterday. i resigned. he accepted it. and then we started working together and talking quite a few times about who would be a great pick to come in here and be the chief of staff. and i can't think of anyone better than a four-star general, john kelly. >> interview tonight at 10:00 on sean's show. for more of the departure of priebus, we're joined by writer columnist and savant, charles. what does this mean? what is the obvious takeaway from what we're watching today? >> well, the obvious takeaway was that this was a white house in chaos and it simply couldn't

continue. that old saying from the former chairman of the economic commission for richard nixon was, "when something cannot go on, it won't." it won't go on. and it had to. priebus is a good man. the president is right. but he was over his head. he was not a confidant of the president. he didn't have the authority that you needed. people went around him. now, what the white house needed, and i think the reason that you haven't had even democratic criticism of the appointment, is that we are getting what we needed, which is somebody who will be the gatekeeper, somebody who will restore some kind of order, somebody who will be the authority. and i do think -- we talked about this earlier tonight -- the case is going to be everybody's going to have to go through the chief of staff, we

hope. if scaramucci has a direct line, we're going to have parallel governments. if scaramucci has to go through kelly, then we're going to have something that resembles a reasonable chain of command. >> is it even possible that general kelly would have left a good job and a great reputation accrued over 40 years in public service to take a job where he didn't have authority over the communications director? >> i think you're right. i think that would have been a condition. the interesting question is -- and i think scaramucci will have to go through kelly. the interesting question is what about the president's daughter and son-in-law. we elected a president but we also elected, knowingly or not, a royal family. and that's a different order of magnitude than just the director of communications. so i suspect they will have their own access. but i think for discipline and

the staff, scaramucci's going to be the test case. >> yeah. a marine general. if he can't pull that off, it can't be done. there are fault lines in the administrati administration. does kelly obviously align with either one of those sides? >> i don't think so. i think he's the arbitor. he's the guy who imposes order. he's the bouncer. that's his job >> do you think he'll be able to do it? >>i think he will. in the end, it depends not on him but on trump. the success of a chief of staff is 90% whether he has the

confidence of the president. if anybody can do it, it'll be kelly. >> so, i have to ask you a healthcare question, is it over for the moment, the push to replace obamacare with something else? >> i think so. and it should be. they ran do into a dead-end. i'm rather critical of mccain's advocate. i don't see why didn't want to proceed to see whether the republicans could have hammered something out. but this is really a dead-end. they're going to have to regroup and do this with democrats. and i think the key here is going to be semantic. the democrats want their pound of flesh for the failure, and they're going to abolish the word repeal. and in the end, it won't make much difference on the ground in

the substance of things. and as we see over seven years, the country got used to it and didn't want to give it up. >> the improved obamacare act next year. charles, thanks a lot for that. >> my pleasure, yeah. >> drama in the white house has distracted everyone from some big stories that have been going on. two developments that could turn into major scandals. we'll discuss them next. also, white house promises the crackdown on ms-13 and other prominent gangs. stay tuned. ms-13 is an attack on all this lovely lady has a typical airline credit card. so she only earns double miles on purchases she makes from that airline. what'd you earn double miles on, please? ugh. that's unfortunate.

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>>well, yesterday, 20 republicans on the house judiciary committee sent a letter to jeff sessions requesting the appointment of a second council. john daniel davidson is the senior correspondent for the federalists and has been following this. thanks for coming on. what's the substance of this? >> well, essentially, this stems from former fbi director james comey's testimony earlier this year that he was told by obama's attorney general loretta lynch not to refer to the clinton email investigation as

an investigation but as a matter. and of course he complied with that request sort of in a misleading way to the american public. there's a lot of unanswers question about that. that of course is what prompted james comey to come out last july and make this declaration that hillary clinton's email server was reckless, it was a bad idea. it wasn't a crime and therefore no reasonable prosecutor would ever bring charges against this. he did that because he thought the department of justice had lost credibility with the american people because of that meeting with bill clint and he was right. >> what was interesting was loret loretta lynch said she was going to recuse herself from matters with hillary clinton. that's where the public

knowledge of details of that stopped. do you think we will find out? do you think there will be a special council appointed to determine what happened? >> well, i think that we're not going to find out ever unless there is some sort of a special sown -- council and some kind of an investigation. clearly something shady went on on the tarmac. clearly this was a strange decision for comey to make. he's not somebody previously in his career who was shy about getting into dodgy on destruction of justice. >> remember, this is the guy who sent martha stewart to federal prison because she was obviously a danger to the

republican. but hillary clint, no problem. don't ask questions. >> devin nunez said the obama administration -- says the unmask could have been intended for partisan political purposes. what do we know about this, john? this seems like a big deal? is it a big deal? >> it is in part because nunez is saying a lot of these officials asking for these you been masking, which means you asked for us citizens to be identified in an intelligence report. but apparently a lot of these requests -- people didn't say why they wanted these unmaskings

done. former secretary of state and susan rice both requested unmaskings in their roles. but we don't know about these other officials who asked for these unmaskings and why. and so there's a little bit of concern about why were so many people asked to be unmasked and who were the officials asking for it >>and these are political figures. they're also partisan political people. and by the way, our intelligence agencies aren't supposed to be spying on american citizens. that's the whole point of redark -- redacting the names.

are hundreds of americans' names being unmasked? is that normal? >> no, it's not. and that's why this is something should be talking about. no, it's not normal. and it's especially not normal for there to be hundreds of such requests in a relatively short period of time. and then of course all of the requests that came in after the election but before trump was sworn in. >> exactly. i mean, look, anthony scaramucci may say -- >>they can listen to your calls. they can do whatever they want, and we have to be assured they're not misusing those powers. i think it's a huge deal, but maybe your and i are alone in this. thanks a lot. president trump is promising a

national crusade against ms-13 and other international criminal gangs. after the break, we'll discuss the ms-13 threat with an immigrants right activists who says this whole thing is just an attack on people from other countries. stay tuned. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just because of a claim. i totally could've - no! switching to allstate is worth it.

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ms-13 is a big reason for that. all next week we'll show you what is causing the problems for ms-13 in our week long series "hunting ms-13." the department of justice estimates there are more than 10,000 ms-13 members in the us across the at least 40 states. the trump administration has made the eradication of the group a priority. even as he was reshuffling the west wing, president trump was in long island where he spoke to law enforcement about the threat of ms-13 and other gangs. >> together we're going to restore safety to our streets and peace to our communities and we're going to destroy the vile criminal cartel ms-13 and many other gangs. but ms-13 is particularly violent. they don't like shooting people, because it's too quick, it's too fast. i was reading one of these animals was caught and explaining they like to knife

them and cut them and let them die slowly, because that way it's more painful and they enjoy watching that much more. these are animals. i have a simple message today for every gang member and criminal alien that are threatening so violently our people. we will find you, we will arrest you, we will jail you, and we will deport you. >> make the road new york,. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me, tucker >> i don't know if i'm mischaracterizing your position, but you seem to think there's something wrong with the president coming down on ms-13 and i'm baffled by that. >> what happened today is that people were standing up and saying they're united against the hate of this administration.

and in particular, objecting the use of -- this is part what we're seeing today is the same thing we've seen since day one of this administration in which he called immigrants criminals and rapists and tried to paint with a broad brush all immigrants and villains. >> hold on. okay. but i think today, unless i missed something, the president was coming out against ms-13, which is a criminal gang, which has turned el salvador upside down, talk -- why is that bad? >> first we have to understand this in the context of villainizing and criminalizing all immigrants. this is about tearing apart immigrant families. >> spare me. stop. i'm giving you a voice on this

show. spare me the dumb rhetoric and answer the question. stop with the slogans. honestly, what's wrong with going after ms-13? >> it is people with absolutely no record of interactions with the criminal justice system. what is happening right now is that the president would like to paint immigrants as criminals. the problem is what the data suggests, tucker, is that immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes than native-born americans. >> i know you want to give your speech, but i'm asking you about ms-13. >> what i'm saying is that this is a convenient example -- >>stop, stop. there's a reality at the bottom of this. hold on.

there's a reality. ms-13 preys upon immigrants. they're not going after me or you. they're almost entirely going after immigrants. it's happening in el salvador where we just came from today and it's happening here. that's totally real. and so why is your position that it's bad to crack down on people going after immigrants? >> i'm sorry that you're confused. no one is saying there's not a public safety issue. there is. i've talked and worked with immigrant families on a daily and weekly basis. if you really want to understand this public safety issue, you have to understand decades of systematic neglect of these communities >> where did you go to college?

>>i went to -- >>we played each other in sports. we went to very similar colleges. >> only someone who went to an overpriced college could reach a conclusion so -- immigrants in america are actually being terrorized by this group. so in this one moment, your interests intersect with those of the president. he wants to stop a group that's hurting people you claim to represent. but you won't acknowledge that. why? >> what he wants to do is tear apart immigrant families. he is absolutely focused on tearing mothers from their children. >> who is a bigger threat to immigrant families, the president of ms-13? >> the president, without

question. this is someone who is attacking, who is vilifying 12 million people in this country and vowing to separate their families, to separate children from their parents. >> there are a lot of data on this question, and we know for a fact that ms-13 members -- it seems like the majority of them here illegally, again, are hurting immigrants. you're making the case basically that if a drunk driver kills somebody, we shouldn't attack him because we would be vilifying all deliver drivers. you believe that the president, who has not killed anybody with a screwdriver, you're saying he's a bigger threat than ms-13. >> tucker, if you want to understand the threat to immigrant communities, you have to understand the broader context here. there's no question that there's

a public safety issue that affects immigrant communities. the agency he's seeking to empower is a rogue and out of control agencies. this is precisely the rogue agency that the president is seeking to empower. and what we are saying is we refuse and refute the vilification and criminalization of immigrant communities and we're going to stand together. and what happened today, if you want to understand -- >>i bet they look at you in total confusion, like who's the college kid telling us we should put up with ms-13 because it's systemic racism. maybe they should go to jail. but no, the guy from -- they don't like ms-13. why would they? >> we speak every day with folks this this community. we were out there. there were 500 of us in

brentwood. have you been? i have never been to brentwood. >> what you will hear from community members is they are working together to address these issues? >> what are they doing? first of all, i just came from el salvador like an hour ago, a country that's been paralyzed by ms-13. they've got the highest murder rate in the world. what specifically are these 500 community members doing to fight against ms-13 that's more effective than what the president just proposed? >> well, our organization is working with young people for summer programs to ensure that they have access to opportunities, summer jobs, and ultimately partnering with other organizations every day to show young people a brighter future and also to advocate for a greater investment in our communities. and what i will tell you -- >>whatever that means.

i applaud you. i'm applauding you. i'm saying, look, if you offer young people something to do during the summer, that's a virtuous act. but you can also acknowledge that there are bad people that are preying upon the week. there's no reason we should have to deal with them. >> i appreciate you applauding the work that we're doing. part of the work that we're doing also with our community members and the thing that we're hearing more -- i just spoke with an immigrant today who said, "we need more resources for our kids so they actually see and seize more opportunities." they're debating the federal budget. what he wants to do -- >>this is silly. >> what the president wants to do is invest billions of dollars

in investing in thousands upon thousands of ice agents and building a wall that people on both sides of the political aisle say is a senseless idea, while conducting affordable housing funding -- >>i just concluded that you don't actually know anything and you're specializing in the kind of grotesque overstatement -- i bet that your constituents back in brentwood when you're not around describe you as loco. i doubt they appreciate that. i haven't met them. i'm just guessing. >> yeah, you're wrong, actually. we work very closely with community members. if you want to discuss data with me anytime, i'm very happy to do it. i actually have a phd in political science. >> i'm impressed. where did you get that phd so i

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what is the truth about this? thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> so what's the truth here. what would this cost? >> this would cost -- it's striking because the numbers are -- from there's only.7% -- and i think they provide a much farer accurate picture than the study which was commissioned by the obama administration, had very low numbers estimating the actual amount of transgender in active duty. they excluded the reserves. they excluded the guard. a more accurate number is 30%. and it's a conservative estimate

that 30% would get the surgery. and if they're tax-payer funded and they're free, i think it will incentivize a lot of transgender individuals to utilize taxpayer funding for these high-cost surgeries. >> is there any suggestion that those surgeries will improve military readiness? >> no. and that's one thing i wasn't able to mention in the report. they even admit that every transgender soldier will be out an estimated an average of 238 days. so when the white house says this is about cost but it's also

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>>well, washington is consumed with the power struggles in the west wing. and honestly we are too. it's irresistible. but actual real events keep occurring around the world. today north korea launched it's second missile. the rocket, which could theoretically carry a weapon far enough to hit the us. north korea seems to be america's most belligerent and dangerous enemy. so why is everyone in washington obsessed with putin and russia instead? scott adams, who created

dilbert, has thought a lot about this. north korea, russia, it's not even a close contest between which poses a larger threat. why is our focus on russia? >> what people care about are other people. they care about characters. the russia story has all kinds of characteristics. north korea has one character and he's literally hiding. he's no good to us. stories about hardware and this missile is better. it sounds like we've heard the story because it's the same story. well, north korea launched another missile. i guess we're not doing much about it. that's the whole story. but with russia, we've got all the elements for a better story.

but with the russia thing, we think, this new revelation, this new thing, something is going to happen. but it has one important element that you need for a story to really have heat and energy, and that is a lot of people who see this story, not all of them but a lot of them look at it and say, "that couldn't possibly be true." and there's actually a psychological phenomenon that explains that. so the less true a story is and the more the public is onto it, like this just doesn't sound right, the more energy it gets, because that's how you get the people talking about it. but it h >>but isn't the role of the press at least in part to discern, to make distinctions between the stories that are interesting and compelling but

also maybe the ones that matter more just objectively, like a country that is actively threatening to kill us is more important than a country that isn't. so shouldn't we be at least trying to herd the public into the more important direction. well, it certainly gets reported. nobody is missing the fact that north korea has launched another missile, but there isn't a lot to do about it. there isn't much to talk about. but with the russia stuff, there are levels on levels, there are hearings, revelations, leaks. it's got everything you need in a story except credibility, which also helps it. >> it really is like one of those russian dolls an you open it up and there's nothing in the middle of it at all. it's unbelievable. 30 seconds, tell me

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>> tucker: that's it for us tonight. starting monday we begin a weeklong series on ms-13.it . also we will talk about jeff sessions also we will talk about jeff sessions and a prison where ms-13 detainees are being held. in general, and a much fuller sense but with this thing is about and the threat it poses to the united states because of our broken immigration system. that threat is absolutely real.

auto details all next week. we will help you tune in then. in the meantime, good night from washington and have a great weekend. we go down to our friends over at the five. see you monday. >> jesse: hello everybody, i'm jesse watters along with lisa boothe, juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. here in new york city, this is the five. another night of breaking news in washington. what has shaped up after reports of major infighting in recent days. president trump has ousted his chief of staff reince priebus and replace them with homeland security chief general john kelly. the announcement comes a week and after the president appointed a new communications director, anthony scaramucci, who accused priebus of trying to keep him out of the west wing in a fiery interview. here was