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polling shows the public liked it. t the white house rolled it out today in the briefing room and there was quite an exchange. watch this interchange between steven miller, the white house top policy advisor and jim acosta of i cnn who started off by implying this bill somehow for reasons he didn't quite explain must be racist. watch. >> this whole notion of well, they could learn -- you know, they have to learn english before they get to the united states. are we just going to bring in people from great britain and australia? >> jim, i have to say i am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from great britain and australia would know english. it's actually -- it reveals your cosmopolitan bias. to a shocking degree, that in your mind. this is an amazing moment. this is an amazing moment that you think only people from great britain or australia would speak english. it's so insulting to millions of hardworking immigrants who do speak english from all over the world. jim, have you honestly never met an immigrant from another country who speaks english outside of great

britain and australia? is that your personal experience? >> there are of course people who come from other parts of the world. >> it shows your cosmopolitan bias. >> sounds like you are trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow of people into this country. >> that's one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant and foolish things you have ever said. >> tucker: ouch. well, apparently undeterred jim acosta rooted through his bag of cliches and came up with, press toe the old -- presto, the old statue of liberty trick.u what do you think of that, steven miller? >> the statue of liberty has always been a beacon of hope to people to the world for people to this country and they are not always going to speak english, steven. they are not always going to be highly skilled. they are not always going to be -- >> jim, i appreciate your speech, so, let's talk about this.. >> it was a modest -- >> let's talk about this. in 1970, when we let in 300,000 people a year was that violating or not violating the statue libertyty law of the land?

tell me what years meet -- tell me what years meet jimha acosta's definition of the statue of liberty poem law of the land? so you are saying a million a year is the statue of liberty number? 900,000 violates it, 800,000 violates it? >> tucker: you won't be surprised to learn that acosta did not have a specific number in mind. t actually, even a general number to within say several hundred thousand. he had no idea at all. none. yet, he kept talking. which turned out to be a mistake.be >> we have had periods of very large waves, followed buy less immigration and more>> immigration. >> surely, jim, you don't actually think that a wall affects green card policy. you couldn't possibly believe that, do you? actually, the notion that you actually think immigration is at a historic low, the foreign born population of the united states today, jim. >> you just on monday talking about how border crossings. >> do you really, i want to

be serious, jim, do you at b cnn don't know the difference between green card policy and legal immigration? >> tucker: we can answer the question. no, they don't know the difference. jim acosta and the network he works for don't know much at all about this subject.or they don't have any clue as to how many should come ideally. they know very little of the economic effect those immigrants have on americans who already live here because they don't care enough to find out. they are utterly ignorant on the subject of immigration and yet, here is the amazing part. they are still filled with absolute moral certainty and boundless self-righteousness. they are buffoons. the drunk guy at the party with bad breath who won't stop talking. wow, is that embarrassing.h joining us now, a noted connoisseur of awkward moments, author and columnist mark steyn. did you see this exchange today, mark? >> yes, i did. first of all, i don'trk understand why jim acosta iss allowed to hijack a white house press conference for this kind offo showboating. you know, one of the reasons why we need immigrants to come here and do the jobs

that americans won't do is because apparently one of the jobs of americans won't do is drag jim acosta out of there, kick him to the sidewalk and say if you j want to do "the jim acosta show," there is a rusting boxcar around the back ofst the freight yards with free semi-comatose hobos whoth are interested in it. but nobody else here is. and that would have been the healthy reaction to that. as for the range of cliches he brought up, there are -- the french gave the americans a pretty good statue of liberty. and then the americans hammered a lousy poem by emma lazarus on to it and turned a pretty great statue of liberty into a statue of immigration. i regret that but the fact is that steven miller was quite right in his point about oh, do you only want englishmen and australians? there are 60 countries in the world, including mine,

that have english as an official language. for example, just a few years ago, after the genocide, rwanda, a belgian colony, joined the british commonwealth. as part of it, even thoughd it's never been a british colony. as part of that, they began -- they stopped teaching french in schools and began teaching english. so you can have rwandans fluent in english. you can have papua new guineans who are fluent in english. you can have tuvaluans who are fluent in english. and singaporeans who are fluent in english. and the idea that this is just some pasty white man's language is so deranged. almost a third of the members of the united nations are proficient in english, more or less. >> tucker: jim acosta thinks english is a race. [laughs] >> yes. >> tucker: which is troubling. >> by the way, tucker, there is plenty of people in the united kingdom who speak welsh and gaelic. i was driving through the scottish islands with my

daughter and we heard the bbc's gaelic rap station in which these delinquent scotsmen are rapping in gaelic. i protest on behalf of the non-english speakers of the british isles of this outrageous racism from this acosta buffoon. >> tucker: [laughs] i don't know if i can improve on that. i do think though on somee level, liberals, jim acosta, i the network he works for, all of washington are offended by the idea that america would craft an immigration policy that helps america. why is that so offensive to them? >> yes. basically, until half a century ago, it was thought perfectly normal for countries to decide the immigrants that were of most use to them. which tended to be the immigrants who could assimilate the easiest.wh and suddenly it's become a point where there is 7 billion people on the planet. t and you are not allowed to make value judgments about

any of them.ll so, that -- and in the case of the united states, we have wound up with the most extreme immigration policy of all, where we actually advantage unskilleded illegal immigrants who don't even have the couple of hundred bucks for the paperwork. i mean, don't forget, what jim acosta is complaining about is that trump wants to move to a canadian-style immigration policy. these are the same people who were wetting their knickers over justin trudeau on the cover of "rolling stone," saying oh, why can't we have a dreamboat president like the canadian prime minister? and trump is saying well, i will meet you halfway. let's start with canadian immigration policy, and suddenly justin trudeau is this white supremacist and trump is trashing america's immigration policy to turn himself into another maple-infused ku klux klan moose hunting ground like canada. this is ridiculous. [laughter]

>> tucker: the best thing about this debate, though, is you really do get to learn t how much the ruling class hates itself and hates this country. this will continue. mark, thank you.. you just put that all in perspective as usual. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: president trump delivered a strong praise today for the new immigration bill while flanked by its authors, senator tom cotton of arkansas and senator david perdue of georgia. >> the raise act ends chain migration and replaces our low-skilled system with a new points-based system for receiving a green card. this competitive applicationg process will favor applicants who can speak english, financially support themselves and their families, and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy.te >> tucker: senators cotton and perdue join us now. thanks to you both. senator perdue, to you first. when you hear that, those sound like the precepts, the principles behind it sounds

noncontroversial. they sound pretty basic. you guys work in politics. i know you have polled this. what's the public opinion of those ideas? >> well, this is the big learning here in washington that people out there in the rest of the country get this. 72% believe it should be the primary worker plus their nuclear family or less. 18% thought it ought to be just a nuclear -- or just the worker. so people out there in the real world get this. it's pro-worker. it's pro-growth. and it's been proven to work in canada and australia. >> tucker: what's interesting, senator cotton, when you say this bill is pro-worker, our current arrangement seems anti-worker. if you look at the effect on wages, working class people in the country since 1965 when the kennedy act became law, they have gone down and remained stagnant. do you think there is a connection between mass immigration and low wages? >> no doubt, tucker. i mean, the law of supply and demand applies to the labor market just like it does anynk other market. even though some republicans feel like it doesn't apply there. look, over the last 40 years, my lifetime, you've seen quadrupling of the

number of foreign-born residents in our country. the vast majority of those, 14 out of 15, today come here c not based on their skills or education or english language ability, or some other category. they are, by definition, unskilled and low-skilled. in that 40 year window, if you have a high school degree or less, your wages have fallen. if you have more than that, so if you are not competing with those very same immigrants, your wages have increased.om so there is a direct correlation between the mass unskilled, low-skilled migration we have seen over the last few decades and stagnant wages and standards of living for working americans. >> tucker: wouldn't it be clarifying to import lobbyists, for example, from abroad work for less than our lobbyists or united states senators. don't you think that might change some minds. >> lobbyists, lawyers. there is no end to this that you could import people to compete directly against people in washington, d.c. and they might sing a different tune.tl there is simply no doubt that people who come here who are unskilled or low skilled

have a direct impact on the wages of americans. whether their ancestors came over on the mayflower or took the oath of citizenship who are competing for those very same jobs.we >> tucker: senator perdue, about 60 million, the estimate is, americans speak a language other than english at home. that's a dramatic increase over the past 50 years and getting bigger every year. and it's bad, obviously. it divides the country. do you think your bill would do something to change is that? >> first of all, there are several categories that we use in a merit-based system. this is what the president talked about in his campaign. one the reasons quite frankly why he got elected. i give him high marks for making this a priority inso his new administration. when you look at the categories in here, somebody could come in here and be a phd and no english skills and still qualify. this is not about english speaking only. this is about a diverse group of people to come in and grow our economy. >> tucker: what are the criteria?ea >> first, you have got education. you've got jobs. if you have been contributory in terms of accomplishment, if you want to start a business or something like that, english

is one. and then compensation. >> tucker: if you want to invest a lot of money. who are the forces arrayed against this?ot >> a lot of people once they learn about the bill are actually pretty pleased with it. this only focuses on green cards. a million a year. doesn't focus on temporary visas which can be controversial or anything else. i would say it's better to make a citizen out of someone who comes here rather than just use them as temporary laborer. >> tucker: where is the chamber of commerce on it? > i think a lot of them are going to be supportive. if you are sitting in silicon valley and you depend. n h1-b visas, wouldn't you rather have someone who is going to be a citizen of the united states and stay here forever? >> tucker: so you can invest in them. >> the business community will be supportive, i think. >> tucker: are you all going to make this case publicly? will you force the opponents of this bill to explain why they're against it. >> we started the debate today and we will continue that. i can't understand why anybody who wants a pro-growth effort in america to oppose this. today, the system is so broken that only 1 out of

every 15 who come in america come in with a skill. this is a broken system and it penalizes people who have been here and who just got here. >> tucker: senator cotton, can you give us, i know it's very early, today, what'sbe the time line for this? >> immigration is obviously a complicated and controversial topic, but david and i aree committed for the long haul to makingve this bill a reality. again, the president campaigned on immigration as hin the single distinctive issue. that separated him not just from hillary clinton but from 16 other republicans. >> tucker: that's exactly right. >> the american people expect him to deliver onon that. this is one piece of the immigration puzzle. i think as more senators and congressman learn about it, as they see what it would do for our working citizens across the country, what it would do for economic growth as a whole. i am hopeful we can get consensus even if there are other things that dividewo us on the immigration issue. >> tucker: i think that's right. you are also welcome here to explain. our viewers are interested. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: not every republican senator so eager to break our immigration -- fix our broken immigration

system. president trump in office for six months still waiting for lesser appointees to be confirmed by the senate. lee francis cecina. the pick to head immigration service to major homeland security agency plays a big role in implementing immigration. he easily should be confirmed. the vote was delayed not by a liberal but by thom tillis of north carolina who placed a hold on the nomination to keep it from being voted on. n why? why is he holding cecina hostage? he wants the trump administration to break a campaign promise and agree to grant more h2-b visas that program allows companies to import foreign workers for temporary gigs in fields like landscaping, tourism and construction the jobs poorer americans could benefit from. program intended to fix labor shortages. in practice, it is easily abused with employers using it to displace american workers.

and pay lower wages. tillis' gamut has been successful so far. they will grant extra 15,000 visas. 15,000 more jobs going to foreigners rather than america's ailing working class. we invited senator tillis on this program to tell us why he was so committed to. the returned to party last fall. so far he has declined but of course that invitation remains open as always. new email suggests hillary clinton's state department mishandled classified information while giving favorable treatment to donors to her family foundation. we will take a look at those emails because they are super interesting evenun though they have nothing to do with russia. also, we will go inside a salvadorian detention center.. shocking video from inside jail. stay tuned. when i first started working with capital one,

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: the government oversight group judicial watch has released a new trove of previously unleasedme hillary clinton emails from her tenure as secretary of state. the group says the emails show top clinton aide hume abedin sending classified information over ununsecured networks and also show clinton foundation donors getting special treatment from the u.s. state department, which is of course wrong if not illegal. tom fitton, president of judicial watch, joins us now. where did they come from? >> from the state department. huma abedin had an email account on hillary clinton's illicit email server. she was doing government business on this separate email account.t wasn't a state department email account. she is getting emails from the clinton foundation.

she is getting emails fromon state department employees i and she is sending and receiving emails to hillary clinton. she was one of her closest aides. >> tucker: did you file a freedom of information request? >> we had to sue for them. we've been getting these records on a regular basis. they show abedin and mrs. clinton are regularly getting classified information on this system. and, again, a lot of these are new clinton emails we're discovering on abedin's account. remember, mrs. clinton said she turned them all over. and thus far, we found over 500 hillary clinton emails that haven't previously been released, meaning maybe she wasn't telling the truth when she said she turned them over. >> tucker: how much did you spend on the lawsuit, by the way? s >> untold dollars because we have attorney time. >> tucker: right. >> tens, thousands of hours to try to get these records out. >> tucker: is it legal for them to transmit unclassified information over an unsecured network? >> despite what the former fbi director said, it's not legal and they were mishandling classified information. and i tell you, if you are

operating a system that is regularly receiving and sending classified information in an unsecure way, you are subject toy prosecution. you would have been, if you weren't hillary clintonn or her aide, huma abedin. >> tucker: the idea is that hillary lost, huma abedin's personal life fell apart. her husband is a flake. therefore they are basically pardoned for any crimes they may have committed. is that a legal concept or something the press invented? >> no. that protects the clintons. losing an election ought not to be a get out of jail free card. there are other emails showing that clinton foundation donors were going through the clinton foundation to try to get ambassadors nominated. and, again, mrs. clinton promised this wouldn't happen. and the clinton foundation and the state department, it's overwhelming the number ofc email messages showing that donors were being taken care of through the foundation by communicating with huma abedin on the secret email server. >> tucker: that is, of course, why they were giving to the foundation in theil first place. >> one would think, and one would think federal w prosecutors would be interested in this. this is why emails like this ought to revive a clinton

criminal investigation, both on the handling of classified information, pay-to-play, and any other violations of law. >> tucker: presumably if you have possession of these emails, any interested prosecutor could have received them also.o. >> yeah, i'm hoping someone is awake at the justice department and isn't going to be cowed by, as you point out, the establishment approach that let bygones be bygones. these are ongoing issues. we are going to be getting thousands of more documents, i predict. we are still waiting for the emails found on the weiner laptop that huma abedin had.ti the state department just got them and they will start going through them soon.a >> tucker: are we sure that there is no investigation currently underway into this? >> we are not sure.e we know the investigation into the mishandling of classified information was closed. it ought to be reopened because comey got the law wrong and secondly, we know the investigation was corrupted. g >> tucker: interesting. tom fitton, thank you for this doing. and thank you for spending all that money and time. we would never know about this if you hadn't. >> that's right. >> tucker: thank you. >> you are welcome, tucker.

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possibly. internal documents in the department of justice obtained by the "new york times" suggested the department is preparing to assist lawsuits against colleges engaged in racially discriminatory admission practices. almost immediately the press went bonkers saying trump was attacking blacks and hispanics on behalf of white men.in the headline "white house says we don't care much for brown folks going okay." whoa. the daily beast went even further and dumber writing this quote this is textbook white fragility a cultural plague gripping lower class white americans instructed by politicians and opportunists to blame the black or brown person for whatever travails they may suffer. investigating claims of anti-asian discrimination at harvard not antiwhite discrimination. i'm not sure whatha a the difference is but ethani' is a radio talk show host joins us now.e is he all spun up about this. if you can show conclusively that colleges were discriminating against people on the basis of their race, kids who didn't do anything wrong, that would be against the law. it would be immoral.ha why wouldn't you want the government to do something about that? isn't that the point of the

civil rights division?ig >> there arehe historically aggrieved groups, of course, that were discriminatedve against for centuries here in the united states, which actually asian americans are part of that group which was the interesting spin, as you just announced out of today's news. but, african-americans, i mean, we have -- why do we have brown vs. board of education: why do we haveo to all all these rulings and why did we have to desegregate schools. there is a history of discrimination. that's why we have the office of civil rights for those groups in particular. >> tucker: well, actually, no. the law applies to all people equally regardless of their skin color.e despite attempts by the left to pervert that and pervert the rule of law itself. unless you disagree with that, unless you disagreeh that all laws apply to people by virtue of the fact they are american, then howle can you defend discrimination just because the victims are not in some group you think should be protected? i'm confused. >> well, i think you are painting it a little differently here. when it comes to education specifically, we have the

civil rights act and we have title ix.al among other things that are specifically in place to help the groups historically discriminated against. so they can bring themselves up from a different economic status and integrate better. >> tucker: so you are telling me that because of past wrongs, barack obama's children deserve an advantage over the children of a south korean immigrant who owns a dry cleaner. how does that work exactly? >> and actually what's interesting is, i don't fully in that case. so i think affirmative action needs to be a little smarter and address economic status, not just ethnicity as well. so, if we're talking about african-americans, you know, we need to be focused on lower economic status, african-americans. you talk about wanting to e get people out of poverty in chicago regularly for example, tucker. one of the best ways to do that is to get them an education.

how are we going to do that if they're at disadvantaget to get into institutions. >> tucker: this apparently is about asian american students and actually sincehi we followed it on this show, there is really no questionua that they are the subject of intense discrimination. it's systematic. it's been documented it takes place up and down the chain from mediocre schools to harvard and nobody cares because c they don't exert the kind of political influence other groups do. i'm wondering as a matter of principle why would it be wrong to say to collegesatld stop discriminating against asian kids? i mean, and by the way, why don't they say anything about that? i'm totally confused. >> interestingly enough, tucker, next time you are in san francisco come and listen to my show. i have talked about that because asian americans interestingly enough are actually highly overrepresented in colleges. this is a real issue for the hispanic community, in particular, in the state of california. whenever affirmative action comes up. >> tucker: what does that mean, overrepresented?

what does that mean? you think there are too many asians in the schools? >> no. i mean as a percentage of their population in the state of california versus the percentage of students in higher education like uc berkeley. >> tucker: there is a moral connotation. do you think there are too many asians at cal berkeley, for example?. >> no, i don't. i'm using it from a statistical standpoint. >> tucker: you are saying all schools and workplaces ought to represent the demographic composition pretty much precisely? is that what you are saying? what are you saying? >> no, not at all. >> tucker: in what sense are they overrepresented? >> wait, wait. i'm sorry. ask that again. >> tucker: in what sense are they overrepresented? >> from a mathematical statistical standpoint, they are overrepresented. so as a percentage of the population, they are 1 percentage and other percentage in the university system here in california. they have about double the percentage that they are in the general population.. so that's what makes it such a complicated issue. we have different groups with different needs and the

way the laws are written, they are blunt instruments. that doesn't mean all affirmative action is bad. >> tucker: these are like the details matter because they always do in policy. so, i don't know, if you could show that white protestant men were under represented as a pro -- proportion of the population would that be something wordio -- worth trying to fit? >> it could be but they are not historically disadvantaged group. if we go back to the 1964 civil rights acts and our application to the educational system. >> tucker: i guess context is kind of everything. what's the definition of k historically disadvantaged?'s is that a measure of income? >> united states supreme inrt laid this out the arlington heights case. specifically the six different factors for weighing out when a group has been discriminated against. disadvantaged against. and they lay it out a so it's there. the supreme court put it forth for you. and there are six factors involved there for looking at what has happened to a specific group and whether

or not laws were targeting them specifically. asian americans, you know this, you are from northern california. they had their houses burned. they weren't allowed to operate their laundry facilities. we had a japanese exclusion act of 1892. african-americans in our constitution. >> tucker: these -- some of them are immigrants. they have nothing to do with any of that. at some point can't you treat people as individuals and you worked hard and did well we are going to reward you. you didn't work hard enough or do well we will not reward you or always treat somebody as a member of a group and isn't that dehumanizing?l >> if we just never treated people as individuals, and only treated them as a group as you just said yeah, that would be dehumanizing. you also have to keep in mind what you are ignoring in the way you are addressing that is the science of epigenetics and what has happened because of our subrogation of african-americans. black people in the united states over centuries. there is something called epigenetics and how that can transmit through d.n.a. >> tucker: you just excluded all african-americans from that.t

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"hunting ms-13," we will show you much more from inside a detention center in el salvador where gang members are detained but not restrained. watch. >> we are here at a bartelina in the capital city. it's a detention center. it's where the arrested wait until conviction, at which point they move on to one the city's bigger prisons. we tried to go to one ofof those prisons today but just advised it's too dangerous to go there. o one of our security guys said if we went there, we would have to throw away our clothes because it was so filthy it would be toxic to keep them. we drove through the city, pretty much the entire city on the way here. concertina wire almostet around every residential house. high voltage wires. you really get a sense of security concerns here. where we are standing now, the attorney general is about 100 yards away.we there are more police, secret service, diplomatic security, and soldiers really than civilians.

doesn't feel dangerous.an i don't think it is. but there are definitely security concerns here. the jail is right over there. police station is right here. we're in the middle of a thunderstorm. we are at a jail in el salvador. this is reputed to be the bestt bartelina in the country, a model facility. which is probably the reason they took us here. you can see that there are dozens of men in a cell. these are their living quarters, the extent of them. pretty tough conditions. one shower. one toilet. 30 guys. we don't know how many of them are ms-13. they have t-shirts on. some of the guys have back tattoos. clearly gang related.th do you know how many of these men are suspected of being ms-13? >> quite a number. they are separated from the

18th street gang members, from the ms-13 because they can't house them together.om they just -- there are hostile relations and they -- on the streets, if you cross into the wrong territory, you will be killed. if you invade another gang's territory, you're killed. and the substantial majority of businesses here pay extortion payments to the gang. a substantial majority. >> tucker: just about 25 feet away from the suspected teenage gangsters, an oasis of calm. a police soccer league for young salvadoran children. the hope to keep them from the clutches of ms-13. >> tucker: our series continues all week. tomorrow night, we will have a sit-down interview with the attorney general,co jeff sessions. he will give us his thoughts on how we defeat

ms-13.e and to prevent its members from come north into this country as thousands of them are doing every year. all thisf week, "hunting ms-13." ann coulter and guy benson say people ought to have free speech on campus. their enemies on the left say they are nazis who must be silenced. who is the sane party in that debate? guy benson joins us coming up. gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief.

>> tucker: as the progressive left goes further and further off the deep end they are starting to lose sense of their touch of irony. ann coulter and guy benson appeared in california

to speak on a panel about the decline of free speech in america. in a predictable twist, coulter and benson aggressively and repeatedly shouted down by protesters who didn't want them to speak at free speech event. guy benson has published the paperback edition of his book. "end of discussion." he joins us tonight. guy, you can't make this up but you show up at an event to talk about the state of freehe speech and people in nazi uniforms prevent you from talking? >> yeah. so the event begins and before, really, a word can be spoken by anyone on the panel, and there were two liberals on the panel as well, have you these kids come literally goose stepping down the aisle shouting, doing the nazi salute at ann coulter we were looking at each other could we have paid these people to do this to make our point any more directly? it carried on for minutes on end. the crowd was chanting back and forth. and when they finally cleared those two out, another group started chanting and holding a banner up. so almost 10 minutes into the free speech panel, no one had said anything.g.

>> tucker: if these people ever get guns, we are in serious trouble because they are crazy.e maybe i'm toose literal. what's the message?ra they're dressed in nazi'm uniforms preventing you from speaking, so you are the nazi? are they coming out of the closet as nazis? what's the nazi thing? >> you would probably have to ask them. i know you have in the past. p >> tucker: yes, i have. >> the idea like if i'm trying to figure it out is they were pretending to be nazis, pledging their solidarity to ann coulter as a fellow nazi or something. >> tucker: that is bizarre. how did the liberals on the panel -- i mean someiz liberals who are horrified by this stuff. it discredits them.or it's antihuman, anti-enlightenment. how did they respond to it? >> they just sort of sat there as we all did. then finally the conversation began. look, we all know ann coulter says things that a a lot of people, even some conservatives like myself won't always agree with. she says things in ways that

sometimes i object to. but rather than engaging with any of her actual points, what we often got from some of the liberals on the panel were, well, ann coulter has a right to hate. and it's like all right, yeah, she does. but what specifically are you talking about and maybe we can get into details. and it never seems to quite get to that point, at least in this forum, it didn't. >> tucker: it's so unfair. i don't always agree with ann either.r. she is super smart and actually a very nice person. while we are on the topic of irony, i want to get your response to this it the washington editorial board lamented new low. -- america's relationship with russia. "25 years after the cold war ended, relations are back in a deep freeze. what happened," the post asked without addressing the 8 months they have spent stoking anti-russia conspiracy theories related to last fall's election. do you think this was, like, high comedy? >> i doubt it. >> tucker: or do you think they really meant it? >> it's confusing.

i'm one of the people who says let's have this investigation and find out what russia did. meddling in the election isn't acceptable.wh it's been collusion collusion, collusion. we are closer than ever because trump and putin are best buddies and kremlin is pulling thesi strings. the next day, new cold war, man, this is really troubling. you have got to pick one here. it's an unusual editorial line, especially today, medvedev came out and was blasting trump on twitter and calling him weak. i mean, all that collusion for nothing, tucker. it's sad. >> tucker: the left -- not the left. the sincere left, to its great credit has kept, i think, a clear head on this question of russia. but the progressive left, the establishment left, they're pushing us towards conflict with russia for no good reason. culminating in these insane russia sanctions that just don't help the united states. i don't get it. >> well, the other thing that i'm trying to also wrap my brain around here are the people who were mocking

governor romney for, you know, the '80s called, they want their foreign policy back. the cold war is over. and then never mind russia is the biggest threat ever. and now it's back to the cold war.ow it's -- i'm having trouble keeping up with exactly the line that i'm supposed to be following in terms of the problem. all i know is that russia very problematic, no matter what is happening. >> tucker: i'm happy to mock mitt romney and "the washington post. i think they are both wrong. i'm glad you arere here. thank you, guy. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: al gore cares a lot. much more than you, he a is a much better person than you are. he cares more about the climate than anything. naturally to express his deep concern about theim climate, he built a massive guzzling mansion. that can't be real. it is. we will take you inside his ungreen home. deeply ungreen. we're shocked. stay tuned this is joanne.

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>> al >>us tucker: al gore's back. he just put out an anti-global warming's documentary "an inconvenient sequel." gore warns about catastrophe if everybody doesn't start using less energy and throwing off less carbon. we have some inconvenient truths of our own. a paper points out that gore's home in nashville, tennessee, consumes 21 times as much electricity as a typical american home. we asked drewed johnson, he's a senior fellow. he wrote that paper. hard to believe someone who cares deeply about the fate of the earth as al gore does could personally own a home that burna that much electricity. how can that be. >> it makesve you wonder if he believes what he's saying. this is a guy who is not only

this home that burns more electricity in one year than the average american burns in their home in 21 years. he also has two other homes. here's a guy who has basically exploited concerns about the environment to make $300 million and win the nobel prize. it makes you wonder what his agenda is. stay when i remember in the '80s, we were upset when televangelists gotot into sex scandals. they were appropriately humiliated and they were in tears. why do thed same rules not appy to this hypocrite? >> i one of the thing. just like jimmy swaggart who had to distance himself from christians, environmentalist should be the mostst furious. we can make fun of this guy but the people who he represents and basically he's a religious profit for the religion of

environmentalism. he doesn't walk the walk. he expects people to walk to work, ride their bike to work, hang their clothes on a line rather than using a dryer. he won't take the steps of his own life to reduce his own energy consumption. his consumption is 34 times the average american. unbelievable. >> tucker: a liberal friend of mine had dinner with him and he talked about global warming, then got into an suv and flew private back home. my friend was like, really? how can you do that? i guess he is a false prophet. thank you for coming on and verifying that's true. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: that's about it for us. good night from washington. our friends at "the five" are up next. we will see you tomorrow night. have a great night.

>> i am greg gutfeld with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, g chris stirewal, and dana perino. "the five" ." if i were a professor, i would teach a course called socialism 101 where every student must spend every moment on venezuela, glued to the results and policies indoors by the bernie sanders' of the world. it's happening right now. is anyone watching? not if "game of thrones" is on or president trump tweets. that takes priorit