>> tucker: that's it for us tonight, you can come back tomorrow at 8:00 to the show that's the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. aioioion of this show is at 11:00. "the five" right now. ♪ >> dana: i'm dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters is back. this is "the five" ." president trump fired up a crowd in west virginia tonight after news broke special counsel robert mueller impaneled a grand jury, it's part of his investigation into whether the trump team coordinated with russia to influence our electio election. here he was with response this evening. >> the russia story is a total fabrication. it's just an excuse for the

greatest loss in the history of american politics, that's all it is. it just makes them feel better when they have nothing else to talk about. what the prosecutor should be looking at our hillary clinton's 33,000 deleted emails. and they should be looking at the paid russian speeches. and the owned russian companies, let them look at the uranium sheet sold that is now in the hands of very angry russians. have you seen any russians in west virginia or ohio, or pennsylvania? are there any russians here tonight? any russians? they can't beat us at the voting

booths, so they are trying to cheat you out of the future and the future that you want. they are trying to cheat you out of the leadership you want with a fake story that is demeaning to all of us, and most importantly, doing to our country and our constitution. >> dana: tough words for democrats. >> democrat lawmakers will have to decide, they can continue their obsession with the russian hoax or they can serve the interests of the american peopl people. try winning at the voting booth. try winning at the voter booth, not going to be easy, but that's the way you're supposed to do it. >> dana: the president covered a lot of ground to that, that is certainly with the media will be looking for.

laura ingraham spoke about this earlier tonight with a special report when she was on the panel, let's listen to that. >> it's not good news, it's not surprising. i would caution the trump legal team, this is where -- you have to be deadly serious and how you handled us. >> dana: one of the things i have been trying to telepathically advice is to try to lead with something positive in the morning. maybe the president felt like there was no way he was going to be able to win in the court of the meaty opinion but he'll try to win a court of public opinion on russia. what laura said they better take it seriously because now they know there are one, may be more grand juries that are are open in washington, d.c. >> kimberly: we've had a lot of fox news alerts and headlines come across the way, this one made me stop in my tracks. i was like wow. information might be coming out

but grand jury's are supposed to be done in secret. they've been going on, when you find out this information, when it's been leaked, shocking. the trump legal team right now has got to be hunkering down and making sure that they are going to be very well prepared for whatever outcome may come their way, you just don't get more serious. >> dana: do you think the legal team would have waited on a speech like this? do they just not care what he says on this at the moment? >> kimberly: perhaps they did and it didn't matter. >> dana: there was other news in the speech today. we found out the democratic governor, former democratic governor jim justice of west virginia spent about a million dollars in the governor's association last year trying to help him get reelecte

reelected. trump won that state by 43% of the vote. today, jim justice decided i've got to get on the trump train and he became a republican. >> greg: this is big news when a governor switches parties. they just went from 33, the dems went from 16 to 15. and they did it without spending a dime. you gained another state, a free election without having to campaign. without having to do any of the work. it's like getting a free upgrade when you fly. i didn't have to do anything for this. i think it's a pretty big deal. the other thing about the rally itself, you can see how his persuasion works. what he does there come out when all this other stuff is going on, he's focused on the everyday issues. he brought up taxes, crime, drugs, coal, the paris accords. these are things that are major

concerns for people. what it does is it marginalizes by comparison the obsessions of the media, whether it's about his language, even russia. russia comes off as superfluous because all of the people -- if you went up to somebody there and you said it did you hear they are in paneling with mark they would say i don't give a. i'm glad he's destroying isis, he's going after regulations. save about the russia collusion because i don't care. >> dana: the president had stomach hasn't done a sitdown interview for a while, he's able to talk to people with social media. he's held a rally in which he gets more people to come today at seven months and then even during the campaign when there's all that energy. there's all that happening with his face that's solid as a rock.

>> jesse: he goes to these things when he needs to and he always delivers like you did tonight. i want to pick up on something greg said. he's now running against the russia hoax. it's one of the centerpieces of his campaign style rally. he's trying to ridicule the russian hoax the way he ridiculed his political opponents and he's very effective at that. he's saying the russia deal is like believing in ufos. you're delusional and you're an idiot. he's also shaming the media into trying to be fair and balanced. you're going to investigate me over a fabrication but you're going to let hillary skate with all this evidence piling up? he's peeling off democratic voters. i care about issues that matter to democrat voters like health care and wages and jobs. your elected politicians, all they are focused on is russia. let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

when during the election did he have time to collude with the russians? was it when he was producing his convention or reeling from the excess hollywood tape? he is this bumbling idiot who veers from this issue right to left, he's a cast candidate and he can't speak english. or he's a mastermind that masterminded this grand international conspiracy with these shadowy russians to rake an american election against a political dynasty behind the backs of the media and the cia. >> dana: can we give him a chance to weigh in? take it away, you can say whatever you want. >> juan: i haven't seen any russians in west virginia or ohio. but i think i saw some over here

on fifth avenue going into trump tower meeting with trump's official campaign. i guess that's where the russians are. this >> jesse: you're rushing to judgment. >> juan: that's cool. when i hear him say that republicans have one of the voting booth and democrats should try winning at the voting booth i think to myself today picking up on what kimberly was saying about her alarm seeing the grand jury has been impaneled, i think i'm just so tired of all the trump winning. he just keeps winning, he won on health care, he wins in terms of all of the advisors that are still in place and haven't been fired. he won on russia because he didn't have to sign a sanctions bill and then blame his own conference. >> jesse: don't forget the special elections.

>> juan: he won again in terms of lying about the boy scout speech. >> greg: what you are seeing, you're seeing the conflict between words and deeds. one is focusing on language in conversation and meetings and jesse is bringing up things that are actually happening. he's appointed five judges, he got a governor to turn over. destroying isis means more to america than something he made up about the boy scouts. maybe he lied about the boy scouts. i don't care, isis is gone. if i have a president that lies about the boy scouts to destroy isis, i'll take the liar. it >> jesse: it you wouldn't take a liar if you're republican who said i was promised repeal d replace on health care, that's not language, that's -- >> greg: everybody shares that blame. >> juan: this grand jury, you

know what happens with grand jury's? they indict people. and they have subpoena power. that means that his tax return are now in play. >> greg: what you're looking for our words. you can't fight on deeds, you're going to subpoena him and go after taxes because he beat us. >> juan: i'll tell you what i'm saying, it's something most americans agree with. his ratings are down to 30%. >> jesse: better than hillary's ratings. >> juan: she's not president. 64% of americans think robert mueller fair to donald trump. >> greg: i think that's fine, so what? >> juan: right now in

washington there's a great sense that right now with him going after the financial stuff, trump may fire him this weekend. >> dana: somebody today at the white house said he has no plan to fire robert mueller. in the bigger picture, are you seeing part of a realignment, like you did when democrats decided to follow ronald reagan and became rental democrats within the republican party? do think that might be starting to happen in places like the rust belt and west virginia number president trump? >> kimberly: perhaps at the case, president trump hopes that would be the case. big picture wise, get some elevation, and a time president trump is about to have a rally, very positive moments, very euphoric. it's where he excels, it's why we recommended he would do that.

he's his own best messenger and it fires up the base. i get what jesse is saying. he really wanted to do this to be able to counterbalance his own assessment that it was a necessity, given the information coming out about the grand jury. take it to the people again. he's always loved "the people's court,," the grand jury not so much. >> greg: can i ask you a legal question? is it impaneled? or is it impaneled? it is interchangeable. you are not a lawyer, i'm taking my money back. >> dana: now you're focusing on words and not deeds. more white house leaks ahead, this time transcripts of phone calls between the president and world leaders are not public, it's a big problem. can the leaks be plugged? next. ♪

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headlines. two phone calls between president trump and the leaders of australia and mexico from january, chris wallace thinks it's unprecedented. >> i've been covering this town for almost 40 years, i don't think i've ever seen eight leaked transcript of a conversation between two heads of state, in this case to different conversations the president talking to the president of mexico and the prime minister of australia. >> kimberly: white house advisors sebastian gorka has confidence in the new chief of staff to stop the steady flow of leaks. >> general kelly is a legend in the marine corps, he is a military professional. he has been and incredible success in this administration in the last six months and he knows better than anybody else that these kind of leaks of classified information are a threat to the security of you, your family, and everybody in this country. if anybody is going to stop it,

it is general kelly. >> kimberly: sebastian gorka feels that john kelly will be able to be the general of command and knock this down. is this going to stop? >> dana: i separate out the leaks they are complaining about. there is the national security looks like this one today. then there's the gossip and the internal chit chat about each other, back fighting behind the scenes. i think in general kelly is most able to deal with those in the white house to leadership. we are all going to be on the same team and you're hurting the boss when you do this so knock it off. you can figure it out if he's the chief of staff. on the national security side, they can try. i think jeff sessions in the attorney general's laying out his investigation into the leaks, he can scare people enough to stop it. this conversation happened seven months ago. i don't understand the reason to get it out there.

we talked about my grandparents party line in wyoming, you're not supposed to listen. i felt like that way with the transcript. we should not be reading these. were going to read it because they were at this and how you not read it. other world leaders need to know when they called the united states, they can have a candid conversation with the president about whatever they need to say and it won't be leaked. that is the biggest national security concern. you want people to feel like they can pick up the phone and called the leader of the free world with confidence. >> kimberly: the leader of the free leaky world because it seems to me like this continues to happen, it's reprehensible. i'm right there with chris wallace, how are we supposed to have any confidence to conduct any kind of national security conversations and dialogue that we need with north korea. there is no certainty that those conversations will be held in private. >> greg: whoever is doing

this, they're trying to make it impossible for him to do his job. that's the point. he can't do his job so he won't be president. i think the real problem here is that we are treating conversations from six months ago as a bombshell's. and if you're watching any of the other networks, they were frothing from their eyeballs, ears, and mouths over these transcripts which are conversations between men about stuff with no sense of tone. i spent half my time trying to resist this media filter which portrays words and discussions as conversations on equal footing as deeds. this is the worst example. here you have conversations that are six months old, that are on equal footing as the va press conference that went on, that were good to talk about the next segment that is actually extremely important. we care about the words, the words are not deeds. these are old conversations out of context, no tone.

>> kimberly: what kind of problem do you think this opposes for our national security. >> jesse: i think they hate trump more than they love the country. president trump is not a threat to democracy, the leakers are a threat. president trump is not the traitor, these leaders are traitors. i think there is collusion going on and people are colluding to take down the president of the united states from within his own government. it's unprecedented, they are trying to rig the results of the election after the fact. there are going against the will of the american people. president trump said that tonight in west virginia. in the first 126 days of the trump administration, we've had 125 leaks. that's insane. if you're calling up the president, you're not calling up the republican president, you're calling up the american president. people might be worrying are these leaks continue after he leaves office? you have a democratic president in their eventually, our country

is going to call up and not going to be honest because they're going to be exposed. if you have north korea about to launch a missile, chinese premier, japanese premier, they can't call up trump and think it's off the record. everything is now on the record. people are going to be very concerned about privacy, trump is going to have to try to circumvent his own national security team because he can't trust these guys. that's going to blow up in their face. >> kimberly: is problematic, you can't obviously be supportive of something like this it shouldn't happen regardless of who's in the white house. >> juan: i hate hypocrisy but i somehow remember when trump was talking about national security issues in the oval office, now this is a national security threat. i'm sure somebody picked it up. >> kimberly: the news here is n. national security issue, six months old? all right.

and these things first occurred in people asked him, did you have a very rude conversation with our ally australia, he said no. fake news, not true we had a great conversation. now we see the transcript, he's saying this is the worst conversation i've had with any world leader. when it comes to the president of mexico, he says the wall, the least important thing were talking about today, don't make me look like a dope. it doesn't matter who pays for the wall. >> jesse: he said he didn't want it to stop talking. >> juan: is going to look bad, he's obsessed with himself, the way he looks. >> greg: obama wasn't like that? will fix russia after the election, remember that hot mik mike? >> juan: we would have fox news alerts. >> jesse: i'm sure you never had a phone call that you would be upset if it came out in the

news. think about if you're the president of the united states. it's a little different. >> juan: here's the difference difference, i've received a lot of leaks in my lifetime. leaks who want to self aggrandize, raise their profile or they want to float a balloon and get the president's attention or they have a grudge against somebody. what's interesting to me about this leak is it's none of the above. somebody is concerned that the president is not serving the interest of the united states. it's all about himself and this is a danger to our country. >> greg: are you saying it's mike pence? >> jesse: that's not what the president said in the calls, don't mislead the viewers. >> kimberly: historic breakthrough that would greatly increase the veterans access to health care, greg will tell you all the blood up next.

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>> greg: in the middle of leaks, leaks and more leaks we overlook a pretty big deal. what you just saw may actually be the future of health care. the solution to two rising costs and limited access. diagnosis done remotely, no barriers to treatment thanks to technology. now patients can be seen no matter where they are. it's cheap, user-friendly. isn't that what we all want? how cool would it be if the va actually became the model for the rest of us? right now, stanford researchers trained a computer to diagnose skin cancer, it's as accurate as 21 dermatologists combined. tech isn't just about the device but its scope where great quantities of data are gathered fast, then sifted to. diagnosing a mole among thousands is now no different than a gps software finding the best to take home. innovation solves what politicians can't. no bureaucrats came up with this stuff. it's the lesson from obamacare,

politicians can't fix anything. their definition of fixing is making something permanently broken, asking them to fix health care is like handing a blender to a fish and saying make me a daiquiri. we've got to get health care away from bureaucrats, and into the hands of innovators and brainiacs who know how to solve things. they have the minds and the machines come all we need from politicians is their absence. this is some amazing stuff. it's not developed by politicians. it is in the direction here, but these people take care of the problem? >> kimberly: absolutely, i'm excited about this. i think it's fantastic and with the future of medicine is to make it more accessible, increase wellness and health and early detection. i'm all for this. let me tell you something, you've got to be naked, you've got to take pictures of every single one of them. >> greg: you have to make it to the doctor first. >> kimberly: that's the

problem. where did you go to school? >> greg: you go to the costume shop and that's easy, you're all a doctor. >> kimberly: you can detect the slightest variation and save a life and we know how dangerous melanoma can be. i think it's a fantastic development. >> greg: its amazing technology, this could be the model experiment to use to make everything cheaper. >> jesse: gregg's been talking for ten years about how robots and technology are taking over to kill us, now he wants them to save us. we have 21st century problems that were using 19th century solutions, here's how the swamp works. there's a problem, a bunch of staffers get together and they do a research paper. they write the bill, the politicians pat themselves in the back, and go out for drinks. wins, wash, repeat. instead of throw it through an algorithm, bring a silicon alley

kind of the mix. they vote on the cheapest, most efficient one and that's it. >> greg: scott adams talks about this a lot. it's about taking it out of the hands of the bureaucrats, putting it in the hands of the innovators. >> dana: the veterans affairs administration can't share medical records because of technology problems, software problems in their he's huge bureaucratic problems. it's bedeviled every administration, forgive me if it's been solved i don't believe it has. it leapfrogged over that bureaucratic problem. it's a good reason for the president to try to pass a tax reform, a corporate tax cuts would mean more research dollars available for more innovations like this. the third thing is american leads the world in health diplomacy. technology like that is used on

mercy ships as well. when i was in benin, there were doctors on ships performing difficult surgeries, they can call up through skype at harvard can you help me with this. it can help save a lot of lives all around the world. >> greg: when you look at something like this you say what a difference from the obamacare website rollout. remember that? >> juan: what about this idea. david shall come the guy in the doctor's jacket, guess what? he was held over from the obama administration. you said bureaucrats can come up with these ideas, he's a guy that's put this in place as a bureaucrat and you know what else? >> greg: it took six months under trump. >> juan: there is no embarrassing you, there's not.

when you have something like this, i think all americans think this is good. it's a model for the rest of the health care system. it reminds me of the point, when you ask americans especially veterans about the medical system, nobody says we are lucky to have the va system in this country. one final point, when people are asked to do you trust more to handle health care? not republicans, it's democrats. the now or at the point where the majority of americans say we want single-payer health care in this country. >> jesse: the last time the democrats handled the va, bureaucrats were getting bonuse bonuses. >> kimberly: i think those numbers are good at change. >> greg: with the naacp's warning african-americans to stay away from an entire u.s.

>> jesse: the first ever travel advisory of its kind, the naacp has issued a warning for african-american travelers to exercise extreme caution if the visiting anywhere in missouri, citing a series of race-based incidents statewide. the advisory extends to residents there as well. i don't see why the naacp doesn't issue a travel advisory for the southside of chicago, that seems like a little more dangerous for the entire -- >> greg: it's the danger of dramatic exaggerations of an idea. they are upset about the senate bill, there are ways to respond to that. when you did these dramatic and symbolic gestures, you're good to hurt people who work in the tourist industry. there is a play in new york right now called the great comments, it's a diverse play, their sales were hurting. they have all different races in the play but the planet was hurting sales why is it so they

in. he's white, people said he is replacing a black actor qui don't want him, he backs out. the ticket sales hurt more. the symbolic gesture was supposed to be and well and supporting a play that may close costing jobs. symbolic gestures end up backfiring almost always. >> jesse: it do you think this could backfire and hurt the residents of missouri in the long run? >> juan: i don't think you want to hurt the residents of missouri, i think that's why the local naacp has backtracked a little bit. they didn't tell anybody not to come, they warned them to be on their guard if they do come. they have some hard numbers, facts to back it up which is that black people are 75% more likely to be stopped by cops in the state of missouri than anybody who's white. 75%. more likelihood of seizure, confiscation of property and goods. if you're black and you're coming through there, the naacp says let your relatives know,

make sure you have bail money, be aware. they local naacp responded to what jesse said and said we didn't say don't come, we want you to be aware. >> greg: they did drill down on why the rates are higher there? there has to be some explanation, not just racism. >> juan: i don't know. >> kimberly: discrimination laws, federal laws, that's why you see the french and the change of numbers, not a matter of application and enforcement and making them commensurate with one another. >> jesse: it's harder for people to claim a protected class, is that with the senate bill does that people are fired up about? >> kimberly: that's one of the aspects they are taking issue with. when you see headlines about this, people think one thing it's not the case. is not any more dangerous to be in the state than it is in any of the other states. if you want my opinion on this, i think it's being used as a

fundraising mechanism to generate money. >> juan: i think the big change in the law was if you claim discrimination, you have to prove it. the burden is on you even if it's a woman or me as a black person or jesse as a genius would have to somehow say i was discriminated against and the pressure would be on the other person. it's with the police. now the pressure is on you. the naacp is saying be aware if you're going through there. >> greg: it's going for major contributing factor to a motivating factor. >> jesse: do you think they're looking for attention, to raise some dough off this? >> dana: it's possible the they could think it's meritorious and raise some mone money. the governor of missouri said that he wanted to bring the state in line with the 38 other

states. the business community has been saying this is holding us back from being able to grow and get more investment in missouri, that's where his thinking. >> jesse: it's not about race it's about economics. rosie o'donnell is having another one of her meltdowns but not about president trump. this time she's angry with democrats. democrats. here whoooo. you're searching for something. like the perfect deal... ...on the perfect hotel. so wouldn't it be perfect if... ....there was a single site... ...where you could find the... ...right hotel for you at the best price? there is. because tripadvisor now compares... ...prices from over 200 booking... ...sites ...to save you up to 30%... ...on the hotel you want. trust this bird's words. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices.

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>> juan: when rosie o'donnell is upset about something she loves the whole world know about it. the democrats will withhold financial support -- or will not hold financial support from party candidates who oppose abortion rights. she fired off a tweet saying women should form our own party, we can't read her other quote about it because it might upset the children. i must say, she's pretty clear that abortion rights are her litmus test despite the fact that the head of says his litmus

test is getting democrats to wi win. >> kimberly: they have a difference of opinion she expressed her personal opinion on it. she's consistent on this issue, saying if the democrats don't prioritize this, they are abandoning women and therefore they should take matters into their own hands and form a new party. it's a little bit much but the idea and premise behind it i get what she's saying. they don't lose the votes on the support of people who have been pushing this party forward. this is one of her saner things. >> juan: is there a litmus test like that for republicans? >> jesse: i don't think so, not an abortion. maybe on russia. if there was a fissure in the republican party like there is on health care, it would be the front page of "the washington post." a fissure in the democratic party like this? it's buried.

i actually support rosie o'donnell, if the democratic party wants to split into factions, i think that's a great idea. they could put a third ballot up there like a joel stein situation and just bleed it off. the democrats are so open-minded on gender, you can have six different genders, take your pick. only one position on abortion, that's it. it really doesn't matter what she says. >> dana: last week when chuck schumer announced the democrats new national platform it was called a better deal. what tucker carlson said earlier tonight, if you look at what they're saying it's president trump's winning campaign platform from 2016. we should multiply, not divide. what jesse is saying is true. if they want to split themselves and not when any more elections, a really good way to do that is blended to the party and break

off. >> juan: i think it was the chair of the democratic national committee who campaigned for a candidate from omaha who was pro-life. at the same time, he said the parties platform remains, they are pro-choice. how does this work for you? >> greg: remember when she was funny? i don't. the problem with twitter is people gravitate toward it once they become irrelevant. people like rosie still crave a platform and the attention it brings, that's what she's doing this. it almost has nothing to do with issues if the desire for attention. sadly she's being eclipsed by lena dunham who makes rosie seem smart because she might be one of the dumbest people on the planet and she's becoming that rosie o'donnell of 2017. she might already be irrelevant. it's between rosie and lena dunham but i have my money on lena dunham. >> juan: is she still talking to you? >> greg: she blocks me, the

mark of a true coward. >> juan: you've got to talk to greg, he's funny, one more thing greg, he's funny, one more thing is up

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a 20-year-old michelle carter was sentenced to 15 months in jail and five years probation by a massachusetts judge after being convicted of involuntary manslaughter for repeatedly coaxing her boyfriend at the time to end his life. this is a really fascinating case from a legal perspective and for the royal family, they've lost their son, the case is not over. our hearts and prayers go out to that family. >> jesse: i have a dog story. cats are also involved. a new study in ucla, dogs and cats are contributing to global warming. pet ownership in the u.s. creates 64 million tons of carbon dioxide a year within the margin for error. if you own a dog, you are destroying the planet. can you believe it?

>> juan: you know it's crazy as gregg pet cow. >> greg: it's time for greg's heroes. let's go to california, a sudden flash flood happens that here's a guy who's trapped on his truck in a month. he's waiting to be saved, what does he grab? he's got a skateboard. maybe it's mean something to them but you have this firefighter who is risking his life, you're not going with your skateboard. you can get your skateboard later, and we will save you and so the guy saves his life, he doesn't get the skateboard but maybe it might mean something. i'll buy him a new skateboard. >> kimberly: who was in the

other side? >> greg: that was the diarrhea lady. >> dana: found happiness an unexpected place, they were hiking get a national park in ohio, they stumbled upon a rock painted pink, white, and purple, they turned over and there was a facebook page called kindness rocks. you paint these rocks and you hide them and other hikers find them and it's a great movement that's going around but you're out on a family hike you, you can look for these. it's called pittsburgh rocks. >> juan: donald trump is about to leave and get out of the swamp for a vacation at his golf course in new jersey. it's a 17 day holiday, comes after years of complaining about that and barack obama, he's always on vacation. it turns out his days away from office don't come close to trump's. by the end of the month, trump will have spent 53 days at leisure compared to obama's 15 days during the same period.

he will have played a 33 rounds of golf versus obama 17. >> kimberly: never miss an episod