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anything the news never stops. tucker is next and i'll be back here at nine for the five. do that math. have a good night and a great >> good evening, and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. the trump administration is going to war with leakers. the attorney general jeff sessions held a press conference today warning that leak investigations have tripled compared to the administration before. attorney general vowed to bring criminal charges against the leakers who are successfully identified, watch this. >> let me say that i strongly agree with a president and condemn in the strongest terms the staggering number of leaks under mining the ability of our government to protect this country. >> leaks are incredibly damaging to our intelligence mission, and capabilities. simply put, these leaks hurt our
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country. finally, here is what i want to tell every american today: this nation must end this culture of leaks. we will investigate and seek to bring criminals to justice. we will not allow rogue anonymous sources with security clearances to sell out our country. >> the administration has reason to be upset. these aren't just conventional political leaks set out there by appointees. what's going on with scaram ucci? who chairs. these are big-time leaks by career intelligence people like the ones you saw earlier this week, leaks of trump's phone calls with world leaders. not just embarrassing, damaging to national security, for real. even democrats who are enough to admit it, will admit. maxine waters to be completely in favor of them, more leaks she says. watch. >> these confidential conversations that he had with
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mexico and australia that were just illegally leaked to the washington post, there's a lot of democrats that are disturbed by this because it threatens our national security. are you disturbed by it? >> no, not at lament. i am so glad they're telling us what's going on. >> of course that happened on the view, needless to say. don't worry about the country's well-being, after all that there are political points to be scored. brian dean wright, - - and they join us both, uh, tonight. brian, first to you, a leak like this of a conversation between the president and another head of state, i've lived here a long time, never seen anything like that. where would that come from? >> agreed. boy, that is going to be sessions' greatest challenge. certainly there could be any individual within the white house, i suspect it's probably somebody in the national security council or somebody in the agency who got access to it. the bottom line, you made the critical point which is doing these kinds of leaks damage the
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president's ability to keep the country safe, and to insure that our interests are advanced. >> and by the way, it's not just president trump. it's going to be future presidents that are going to step into that chair and have that challenge of world leaders who want to talk to the president about something very difficult, very sensitive, are going to be worried about is it going to leak? am i going to be damaged by this politically? that's why these kinds of leaks matter. >> i'm not a conspiracy nut at all, i try and shrug it off, but some of the stuff makes the hair on my arms stand up. what it essentially is, is a transfer of power from the voters to permanent employees who are now telling us we're in charge. how can you function as an administration if there's no privacy at all? everything you do or say winds up in the paper. >> you cannot. this is a threat to the functioning of the presidency itself. the presidency thrives on
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transparency on public appearance matters, it thrives on secrecy in confidentiality in matters of intelligence. what i found about this is it is a deep continuum and political operatives of the last administration who left. that's why what's necessary are a couple of very big, very strong grand juries with subpoenas to a bunch of people who had access to this information. believe me. you can find out who did this, if you really want to. >> so, brian, what scares me is not the leaks from the political appointees, a lot of them are hacks. i get leaks from them all the time, they're fine, it's low grade stuff. but you never think that the permanent employees, people like you, you worked in a federal agency, would do something - - would become this political, in effect. >> when you worked over at cia, was that common? >> no. incredibly, incredibly rare. the vast majority of the cia nsa
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officers, that low-level, middle tier folks working in langley, they're doing god's work. this is coming from as you guessed, or noted from more high-level individuals who served in the previous administration or serve in this administration. they want to be seen as important so they get in front of folks like washington post or new york times and they spread this stuff because of the desire to be known and important. i agree that with your previous guest we have got to focus on a very high-profile, very clear prosecution of these folks to send a shiver through the spines of folks at langley, at the national security council, and the fact that nsa saying this has to stop. >> they is are too much power. they have a lot of power. if you can't trust them it becomes dangerous. i see some of this is ideological, a lot of them seem
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to hate the president's russia policy, because they hate iran. voters voted for that russia policy. he was really open about it. do you see this as basically an attempt with people with a very different world view to impose that world view on the government regardless of election results? >> absolutely. this is a rebellion against the vote of the american people for a specific policy. these individuals both in the civil service and in the senior political ranks who have left the government, the obama people, lead by john brennan, the most political cia director in history, who set the tone for this type of partisan behavior in the intelligence concept. they are encouraging these people to continue to leak and basically to commit regicide. they want to kill the president politically. >> i was hoping you would make me feel better. you've made me feel even more afraid and upset. brian, joe, thank you. >> thank you. >> you bet.
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>> debbie wasserman schultz is retreating to the last refuge of cornered politicians, you know what it is the race card. an interview with the miami sun sentinel, wasserman shultz failed to fire imran awan. she says he wasn't fired because quote, there were racial and ethnic profiling concerns i had. >> i believe i did the right thing, and i would do it again because as i said at the beginning of this conversation there are times when you can't be afraid to stand alone and you have to stand up for what's right. even in the face, you have to there are times you have to spend political capitol to do what's right. the easier thing to do for me would have been just fire him. obviously i was the person who's had the most political challenges in the last year. it would have been much easier for me to just cut him loose and say i'm going to look out for my
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best interests rather than end up for what i believe in. but i have to be able to look at myself in the mirror every day. if there's one thing i'm going to make sure that i maintain is my integrity. >> did you hear that? here you have a member of congress who kept a guy on her payroll, paid him with taxpayer money, he's now been accused of a crime, and her answer is i'm a civil rights hero. jen kerns has been closely following this story, and she joins us now. so, jen, the excuse from wasserman schultz is, you know, there was basically racial profiling going on. i don't know a lot about this. is there a national problem with islamaphobia aimed at muslim it consultants? >> no, tucker, but there is a problem with democrats and their continued hypocrisy on cases like this, pulling the race
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card, pointing their finger at the republican party including the president, accusing him of foreign intervention. when they themselves had a fox in their own hen house, the foreign-born it agent who's been proven to have, uh, breeched the house intelligence committee mainframe, who breeched the house foreign affairs mainframe. this is a congress woman who i think is awfully bold that she's fighting back in this way. this is a woman who looked the other way, uh, while these potential crimes are being committed but this is also someone who i think has some criminal negligence responsibility here that is quite unbecoming of a congress member. >> okay, wait. so stop right there. i mean, look, i am willing to leave anything about this story, i don't think i really understand it at this point. where would her behavior turn criminal specifically? >> this is one of those stories, tucker, where the more you learn, the more outrageous it
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becomes. not only was she aware and notified law enforcement of their bleaches - - breeches of it security, she prevented the u.s. capitol police from looking at a laptop that had been hidden away in a crevice in a old house building in washington d.c. you look at other things - - . >> wait, so the capital police never got hold of that laptop? >> they ended up doing so, but she put up an awfully hard fight in order for them to get their hands on that and in fact reprimanded the u.s. capitol police and said there might be some retribution for that. you look at everything she did here, tucker, she circumvented the house payroll system when that house of representative said that it needed to be banned from being a staff member, she actually helped him with the paperwork to have him become a consultant so that his public information would not show up on the staff payroll. there have been members of
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congress that have been censured for far less nefarious activities than this. in the 1800s you had people who were censured under article one, section five of the constitution, a tool that's available to the house of representatives here, for being disrespectful to the house speaker. you've hat had a other members - - . >> i'm aware. okay, so really quickly i want to get to this. he's an it consultant, working for her and other members of congress. he has in that role, access to everything? >> he had access to dozens, they say now, dozens of computer mainframes, of democratic congressional members. he had access to the house intelligence committee, a server. he had access to the house foreign affairs committee server. and for those dozens of congress members that he was serving as
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an it aid to at the behest of debbie wasserman schultz he had access potentially to their documents to take them off line and review them, and store them in a cloud-type of storage. he also had the ability to potentially read every single incoming and out going e-mail in the democratic congressional members office. >> congress members throughout history have been seng censored for far less more. >> jen, thanks a lot for that. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> lena dunham is an influential member of society for some reason. now she's trying to get some airline attendants fired for having a private conversation she disagreed with. we'll explain all that in a second. plus, the f.b.i. in our final installment, the series hunting. stay tuned.
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>> msnbc's chris matthews is very upset about russia, not insulting the guy, just noting very upset. so upset that she is transcending the bonds of reason and entering the rarefied realm of metaphysics. he's becoming a mystic. following the news that special council robert mueller, matthews had this to say. >> donald trump in west virginia applause the reckoning with special council robert mueller advances. nothing happens out
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on the political stunt, on the hillary and the media, wash away the tracks, mueller and his blood hounds are on to. i recall days from richard nixon's down fall, watergate is - - we now know what looms down before us in all its vastness, russia. russia itself. >> its mysteries and darkened sidestreets. we have no idea what that is, maybe you know. tweet us answers @tuckercarlson on twitter. >> lena dunham is back in the news because we are all sinful creatures who deserve punishment, hence her. she tweeted out american airlines had engaged in transphobia. not going to call it the airline who delayed because bleep happens, two flight attendants
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having a transphobic talk. we should be teaching our employees about love and inclusivety. the airline quickly responded your comments have us concerned please meet us in dms with your record locater and details. so far it's not clear if the attendants have been identified or if they will be punished or even if lena dunham was flying on american airlines. brian clayful who supports the tweets lena dunham sent out, he joins us tonight. i'm not just asking these questions because i'm opposed to lena dunham, on principle, obviously i am. i think it's a really interesting question. she's alleging she's walking thou the airline terminal and she hears two people having a private conversation. she says they said this, two female attendants talking about how trans kids are a trend, they'd never accept a trans child and transness is gross. you can agree or disagree, but
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they're not plotting to kill anyone. the question is, should you lose your job over having a private conversation where you express views like that? you say yes, you should? >> well, tucker, i'm not sure i say they should lose their job, but i think what lena dunham was trying to accomplish is to raise awareness within one of the biggest airlines in the world. this is a common carrier. this is a personal service business. this isn't like me driving out of a parking structure and giving my ticket to a ticket guy and paying him. she's concerned this might be something that eminates throughout social media. that statement you just posted proves that american airlines is taking this seriously. >> i'm sure they're intimidated because she's - - but hold on, back up. american airlines didn't make this statement. it was two private individuals talking between one another, walking through an airport.
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she happened to over hear it. my question to you is should american airlines not allow its employees to have these opinions? should they crack down on people who have these opinions? >> we live in a civilized society. >> if somebody - - i know, but, wait, they run an airline. so should they ask all of their hundreds of thousands of employees do you find transness gross? should they have that level of control of their employee? >> i didn't say that. >> what do you say? >> what american airlines nied to do, big business needs to do i've sued big business for years for discrimination claims. they do nothing unless you create a potential consequence for them. >> slow down. >> it's not until - - . >> stop, stop, hold on. >> let me answer you question. >> i want to get the terms clear. nobody discriminated against
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anybody else. nobody hurt anyone else. these are two people talking to each other in private. that's very different from going out and hurting someone. this is an opinion, and i grew up in a country that you can have opinions that maybe you didn't agree with. you're saying they should be punished for a view they have in private and i'm saying you're a fascist for believing that. >> okay. what i'm saying is american airlines needs to conduct or implement more sensitivity training. i don't think they need to ask every employee are you antigay or anti-transgender, but they need to implement sensitivity training. what lena dunham is saying what if a transgender person is sitting in a seat and these two flight attendants make comments in front of passenger. >> but that didn't happen. >> she's trying to preempt that. >> really? let me ask you a question, what's the most insensitive thing you've said to a friend of yours in private in the last ten years? >> um, probably called them an a-hole?
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>> no, no. have you ever expressed a view in private that you wouldn't be comfortable sharing for example on a live tv show like this one. yes, you have. >> yes, i is have. >> so do you acknowledge - - . >> but i did it in my home. >> they were walking, talking to each other. what i'm saying is look, you guys who are pushing social change and the rest of the country are going about it all wrong. most americans are tolerant, compassionate people. you're taking it two steps beyond that and saying you're not allowed to have opinions. what i am tolerant. i have no interest in bothering other peeper. >> number one these comments weren't made in your living room or my living room, and number two you don't work for american
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airlines. >> i work for fox news. if i'm talking to my brother in a private way i'm allowed to have views. this is america, man. what you arguing, exactly? >> let me ask you a question, then. if you had a transgender daughter and you were flying american daughters and heard a couple of their flight attendants think transgenders are a bunch of garbage or whatever they said - - . >> you don't think - - . >> listen, you don't think that would strike a chord en your body? >> i walk through airports - - slow down. i walk through i'm on television, people don't like me. i don't like it. i'm not trying to get anybody fired over it. you don't have to crush them. do you get it? >> i don't think she's trying to crush them.
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with a big multibillion dollar companies and that's all she's trying to do. >: some awareness of your real goals which is to control peoples' opinions. that has not to nothing to do with transer trans people. austin fletcher is becoming a lenellnd online, he operates a youtube channel where he interviews protesters to find out how much they really know about the protesting. here's an example. >> racism, constantly. >> where are you seeing racism? >> on television. >> do you think trump is racist? >> i know that. >> against who? >> there's, um, let's make america white again. >> what about in the 90s when jesse jackson gave him an award for being a champion to the black community.
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>> hey. yup. his campaign was modeled based on hitler's. he's not as bad as hitler currently, if he gets his way eventually he will be. >> you think he's going to kill six million jews? >> steve bannon will love that. i don't think it will happen but they would love for that to happen. >> illegal immigrants. >> who'd you vote for? >> what about building the wall. we won't even talk about that. >> he's guilty. >> of what? >> treason. >> where'd you see that? >> why? >> where did he do treason. >> you know the answer to that. >> no, i don't, because it's not true. >> austin fletcher joins us tonight, so you're making friends out there in protest land. um, has anyone ever gone after you? do they understand what the game is when you go and interview them? >> uh, they actually don't. um, i think it has a lot to do with the weird outfits i wear, i
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carry a spoon attached to a microphone so they kind of discredit me. i also have a beard and look like a hipster. they think i'm on their side. i just ask them some basic questions, what are you doing here, what does your sign say, and i kind of let them speak for themselves. the things they're saying are pretty ridiculous. i'm a free market person, so i want to hear peoples' beliefs and thoughts all the way through. when i to, it's kind of for everyone else to decide whether or not they make sense or if there is credibility. >> i know that well. be honest of the people you interview, what percentage have a kind of thoughtful explanation for why they're there and what they believe. >> um, i would say 5 to 10% legitimately. >> wow, it's that low? >> it's not good. um, they really don't understand. they're fighting an emotional war, they're acting based on feelings. they come out to these events and they think they're doing,
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participating in a just cause when realistically they're acting on misinformation. you're really becoming victims to the mainstream media's liberal media that's completely dividing this country. >> have you noted the left how angry they are? >> i'm sorry? >> have you noticed the less they know, the angrier they are? >> absolutely. there's this thing going on right now the more outraged you are, the more justified you must be and the liberal media is falling right into that trap. there was a woman the other day out on hollywood boulevard, screaming donald trump is worse than hitler. i was standing nex toot a guy whose family tied in the holocaust and he offended by that. >> she must be a very good person to be that angry. it makes me never want to be angry again. austin, thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> democratic leaders are trying to assure voters pro lifers are
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still welcomed to the party. we'll talk to a director of a group who says abortion ought to be a litmus test on the left, no apologies. stay tuned. nick was born to move.
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progressive. we stand united in the beef that a woman autonomy over her own body is not a secondary issue or a social issue, but rather an human right en order to obtain economic security in her life. democracy for america author charles with us. >> thanks for having me. >> flesh out the reasoning for me. abortions important, it's important to end your pregnancy not to have a child so you can make more money? >> i would say that abortion what we're talking about here is the right for a woman to be able to have the self determination to decide her future, her body, and make that decision with her doctor and not have the government make hose decisions for her. >> i get the talking points, but where's the economic security part of it? it's key to her economic security. she's going to make more money if she doesn't have the baby? >> every time an antichoice policy is passed they make it
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harder and harder for people to have access to abortion. what that means is rich people are able to do things like take days off work to travel far distances, stay in a hotel, travel to a whole other state while poor people run able to get the access to the medical needs that they have. so what it means is when you create antiabortion, and antichoice policies then you make it, uh, much harder on poor people, on women of color, on constituenciys that need to put together money - - . >> i get it. to have the abortion. what's interesting is poor people have abortions alt much higher rates than rich people and black people have much higher abortion rates than white people. you've got a lot of references to women of color who apparently need more abortions. jesse jackson used to always say the
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abortion business targets black people. are you saying we need to have more abortions of black children? that seems to be what your statement is saying. >> i think it's pretty clear what i'm saying is women should have the right to make decisions about their own medical conditions. i trust women. i actually think the government should not be involved in women's right to choose. >> okay, buts dethat formula change a little bit when the baby becomes viable? so, like, at 22 weeks planned parenthood offers abortions, a lot of their clinics up to 24 weeks, a child can live outside the womb. at that point does it become a little more complicated just in a woman making a decision about her own body? you've got this thing that can live. does that become more complicated for you, or is it just a medical procedure over which the woman should have more control? >> you're talking to a white guy, i'm not ever going to be pregnant, so it's not a problem
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for me. >> this is a question about the nature of it. we're both adults you're a smart guy, you can answer that question. men can weigh in on this too. men actually r-l half of the genetic material in a baby. i'm a father, i know that, you may be too. i think we have a right to weigh in on this. it's a more complicated question if a child can live outside the womb or is it not more complicated? >> sure, it's more complicated and it's something that has to be decided. it's not a decision they should be forced to make based on what their government says. >> okay, so hold on at that point you have an entity that can live on its own. we would call it a person, i think you would too, child emerges, that's not a fetus. that's a person. so doesn't the state, don't the rest of us have some interest in saying you're not allowed to kill that person?
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that's why we have laws against murder. are you tracking with me here? >> i would say as soon as the baby is out of the womb we are talking about a baby. what we have is we have pregnancy where a baby stays inside a woman for months on end. i'm sure you know how it works. >> i do. >> the reason we do that - - right, when you say men are half responsible, men don't carry the baby from the point the zygote to the point it becomes a baby. >> i guess what i'm trying to get to is there are people who have real concerns, moral concerns about abortion that aren't rooted in their desire to oppress women. >> sure. >> these are real questions. and when you spew mindless propaganda about choice, and medical procedures, it kind of blurs what is a really important question like do you have the right to take a life? >> i think what you're confusing is the question of who has the right to make decisions about
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their own lives. >> so you're saying it's okay. you can see it's the taking of a life at that stage. if a child can live outside the womb, that's killing. >> once the baby is outside of the womb, then you have rights you're an individual. ununtil that happens you're in the womb. >> unless you're viable. >> make the decisions about their own lives. >> all i would ask. think about this stuff a little bit. >> i did. >> thank you. f.b.i. is working frantically to contain the gang ms-13. what obstacles they face in the final installment of our week-long series hunting ms-13, that's next. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event. panera. food as it should be.
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>> we told you a lot about ms-13 this week. we told you about its tens of thousands of foot soldiers, the violence it commits, the ease
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with which it infiltrate the u.s. border with mexico. tonight in our final installment ms-13 we learn more about the deeds of a member, and ask the f.b.i. about the challenge of reigning in this gang. watch. >> the gang, the ms-13 have grown to be a very structured and organized and violent organization. on behalf of ms-13. a former gang member told us
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more about the gang and its connection to the united states. >> how hard is it for an ms-13 gang member to get into the united states? >> it's easy. >> do they get into the united states legally or illegally? >> illegally. the home boys, the ms-13 home boys in the united states they would wait for him at the point. they would pay people, they would pay people to bring him over, and they would come and pick him up. so they find him and he stays there. >> what can the u.s. government do to fight against ms-13? >> what they can do is they must grab the mexican contacts. they must corrupt the communication.
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13 gang members here in they must not have communication. >> an agent with the f.b.i.'s gang task force told us first-hand about the challenges they face. >> so it's very hard for the u.s. government to stop that migration? >> it is challenging. we partner with mexican authorities and other agencies in the united states to prevent gang members from entering illegally into the united united states. >> a number of people we spoke to said mexico is a huge part of the problem. once they get from el salvador to mexico, they're pretty much insured safe passage into the u.s. >> they don't see it as their problem primarily. they're entering our country illegal and the president has said he's going to end this and create a lawful system that
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>>hello, everybody. i'm jesse wate watters. >> today our attorney general and director of national intelligence puts the culprit jeopardizing our national security on notice. >> we will investigate and seek to bring criminals to justice. we will now allow

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