the producers are trying to figure that one out, too. be sure to follow me on facebook, instagram and twitter. remember i'm w w w w w w w w w s my world. [♪] judge jeanine: right now on "justice" ... >> this night must end this culture of leaks. we'll not allow rogue anonymous sources to sell out our country. judge jeanine: how tough will jeff sessions get to stop the madness. plus ... >> it could hit. it's a threat to security. judge jeanine: deputy assistant to the president sebastian gorka is here to tell us how the president will stop it. we know there are leakers.

there is a rat in the white house. how are we going to find this rat? i hit the pavement asking for advice from the washington leaker seekers. >> we fire him, black list him and he never works in this country again. in. judge jeanine: that's what i call justice. and it starts now. welcome to "justice." i'm judge je jeanine pirro. why do they let them get away with it? they lie, cheat, violate the rules, then cover up, and they get away with it. we are no longer a country where the law is equally applied. this nation conceived on the principle of equal rights and equal justice is no longer true to its declaration of independence.

less than 48 hours ago we found out how far democrats in the highest law enforcement agencies, allegedly non-partisan offices would go to couch for the obama administration. you remember that meeting on the tarmac between attorney general loretta lynch and bill clinton, outed only because a local reporter happened to be there. the f.b.i. wouldn't allow photos, pictures or cell phones. there were no reports made. but the highest ranging law enforcement official in this country was approached by the spouse who was being actively investigated in the most of important investigation in the history presidential politics. it was followed by an investigation of hillary clinton and we know her subject subsequent exoneration. the fbi and the department of justice to both colluding to

allow hillary a free pass. but we didn't know how deep and dirty the collusion really was until 48 hours ago. in response to a dream of information application to both the fbi and the d.o.j. by jay sekulow and the center for law and justice requesting all documents regarding that meeting, the fbi respond with a terse no records responsive to your request were located. that was a calculated, knowing and intentional lie. as for the department of justice. they never even bothered to respond. but a subsequent federal lawsuit decided not during the obama administration revealed 413 pages of documents between the fbi and the doj on that tarmac meeting.

and those documents, the fbi and the department of justice excluded on how they would handle the outing of this highly irregular, unethical and some would say illegal meeting what their stalking points should be. some talking points drafted even before loretta lynch was questioned. they agreed to coordinate by letting each other know what questions were asked by the press. so what did we snrern here is an example of the document the d.o.j. sent, redacted email between the fbi and justice. they blacked out the relevant talking points so you cannot see what collusion actually occurred between justice and the fbi to protect hillary, bill, loretta and the whole lot of them. but don't worry. a lawsuit will be filed first thing monday morning to unredact what they have covered up.

this is not information that, be legally withheld from us. it doesn't involve national security and you can be damn sure it doesn't involve what loretta and bill said they talked about, their grandchildren or their golf game. and it gets worse, folks. we see email emails from the poe fbi and the "new york times" where they make clear they don't want to cover this and the department of justice comment to the fbi that it looks like only fox news is covering this. folks, this is a coverup an illegal meet, collusion between bill clinton and the attorney general after which the fbi interrogated hillary then exonerated her. and hillary brazenly proclaimed, if she won, she would hire loretta lynch as her attorney general. while this country is virtually paralyzed with fake news stories

of collusion, i ask you, what evidence, give me one piece of evidence, one. >> i oh after something that done, one iota that donald trump's campaign excluded. you haven't heard one piece of evidence for 8 months, 24/7 collusion between donald trump and russians. i have an idea. it's time to take the country back. back to the original intent of our founders. no one is above the law and no one is below it. mueller impaneled a grand jury in a district that december pier pied -- thatdecember pies at d e

despises our president. hillary clinton's case needs to be brought to a grand jury immediately. there is time to prosecute her for putting our classified information on her private server that she shared with her girlfriends, one of whom shared her computer with her dirt bag husband. most of of the terms have already been violated and hillary must be prosecuted for perjury. she and her state department intentionally lied saying there were no benghazi emails and classified emails as she deleted 33,000 emails on yoga and her wedding dress. and she needs to be prosecuted for destroying and concealing subpoenaed property and the emails. the clinton foundation and all its spinoffs need to be brought before a grand jury i.

eric holder who perjured himself before congress needs to be prosecuted. i don't want to hear the dumb -r kumbaya. i want want to hear hillary clinton always good woman. she is not. while we play by the rules, they lie, steal, cheat and continue to get away with it because we let them. that's my open. tell me what you think on my facebook page or twitter. trash tatwitter. #judgejeanine. >> that was quite an intro. judge jeanine: i'm frightened because of north korea. last week congress received

what's called an ioc. and their insister continental ballistic capabilities from u.s. intelligence that was proven wrong by kim jong-un within 48 hours. within 48 hours of our intelligence community telling congress that kim jong-un didn't have the capability that he proved 48 hours later that he had, we finds out they were wrong. number one, we now know that korea is not only nuclear, but it can deploy a reliable as you guys call them, an icbm, not in two to four years, but as soon as one year. and so by shaving off years and also by now we believe their icbms could reach detroit,

chicago and even miami. we are in a bad place, doctor. i would like to know what's with the intelligence agencies? are they too busy with leaking on the president? and what can we do to protect ourselves? >> this president is going to do whatever it takes to protect this nation. but first things first. let's look at the nature of this challenge. north korea is a hard target in terms of intelligence. it's this closed utterly closed stalinistic system. if you look at way this country has been run. they are proud of this stalinist regime. getting human intelligence is difficult. so weep rely on other forms of collection. but the fact is it doesn't matter, judge because we are taking action. we have one of the toughest

ambassador haley who managed to shepherd through a unanimous vote where we are hitting hard on north korea. jesse: united nations voted 15-0 to sanction north korea. and china and russia voted with us. that's amazing. >> think about the fact we have unanimous. five permanent members. 10 rotating members. thank ambassador haley and rex tillerson and the trump team. we'll hit them to the tune of a third of their imports and shard currency. this is the toughest sanctions that have ever bern impose on north korea and a direct result of their actions. judge jeanine: i'm going back to my original question. here is the question.

if north korea is openly discharging these icbms, unlike north korea, iran has been hiding from us their abilities, a lot of their stuff is underground. we don't have the ability to access or find out what their nuclear facilities are. i'm frightened not just from iran. but we have seized from the ocean stuff north korea has actually sent off. >> judge, don't frightened. we have a commander-in-chief who will keep this country safe. look at what we have done. in the last six months alone we liberated mosul, revitalized nato, we increased the defense budget. judge jeanine: kim jong-un is crazy.

he's blackmailing the west. but this is not a president and this isn't a team you should blackmail. look at this team, look at the president. look at hot secretary of defense is. look at the commander-in-chief. look at the national security advisor. look at the secretary of state. this man is trying to do the old playbook that may have wed with the obama white house but it will not work with the trump white house. we'll put a stopth this and protect this nation. judge jeanine: that's comforting to hear. but one of the things that concerns me, with iran, if we have intelligence failures, it's much tougher to assess when they are going to start coming at us because of the fact they are hidden away on military bases that are inaccessible to inspection. give me some peace there. >> iran is at the top of the

list of our priorities along with north korea. one of the things we are looking at very hard is the disastrous iran deal. it facilitated iran. it didn't stop the nuclear aquestion significances, it just slowed it down. the sunset clause. but the president has maintained his stance. this is a bad deal it's not good for american national security and we are doing a ground-up review of our iranian strategy and the president is adamant. this is not a good deal for america. judge jeanine: what's it like with general kelly in the west wing? >> superb. yesterday morning he gathered nervet executive building and he told them very, very clearly. no more leaks. he says if you leak there will be kunzs because loose lips sink ships. we have a four-star legend in

the white house that matches beautifully with the president. judge jeanine: somehow when general kelly says loose lips sing ships, it seems more threatening than the words alone. next. more on the leaks with the former head of the house and oversight committee jason chaffetz. plus will the attorney general do his job when it comes to the scandal rocking debbie wasserman-schultz and the democrats? congressman ron desantis is here live to talk about why he's demanding a full investigation of her. then the leaker seekers in washington can't find the white house leaks. so i hit the streets to get some advice. how do you catch a rat?

>> with a rat trap. judge jeanine: once you catch the rat, what do you do with them?

>> the russian story is a total fabrication. it's just an excuse for the

greatest loss in the history of american politics. judge jeanine: president trump blasting the russian investigation at a rally this week in west virginia. this while special counsel robert knewer actually impaneled a grand jury in the probe. jason chaffetz joins us. in my open i talked about the fact we have mueller impaneling a grand jury in a district that tells me he's forum shopping. instead of southeast or the southern district of new york where the campaign was, he's chose be washington, d.c. you as chair of government oversight and reform. hillary sat in front of you. when she sat in front of you, do you think she was being truthful and do you think she should be prosecuted or at least have a

grand jury impaneled in the interest of equal justice? >> when i had director comey sit before my committee i asked him very specifically did he look at the testimony hillary clinton had given in front of the select committee, and the answer was no. judge jeanine: i think we have that sound. i want to show you saying that to her. >> did hillary clinton lie under oath? >> not to the fbi, not on the case we were working. >> you need a referral from congress to investigate her statements under oath? >> sure do. judge jeanine: that's not true, is it? >> i don't think it's true. but he did get a letter from myself and the judiciary committee and the fbi never ever responded to it. i have been frustrated with the trump administration because the

department of justice still hasn't responded to that. they have never given congress and the american people a definitive yes or no yeter she lied under oath. judge jeanine: if she was asked whether she had classified emails on her private server. about she said yes, they have her for the underlying crime. if she said no, they have her on perjury. my frustration with mueller, are you seeing a different justice department now? should this justice department start some grand jury impaneling or at least request them for everybody from hillary to loretta to eric holder? >> i want there to be a serious investigation. i want them to be held to the same standards. you had an inspector general who found classified information in a non-classified setting, a

violation of law. that is a conclusion of an inspector general. that's far more evidence than anything you heard with the name trump associated with it. whether they impanel a grand jury or appoint a special prosecutor. there has to be justice. there were 300 people identified at the state department that mishandled classified information. that investigation has been open for a year. judge jeanine: now we have the attorney general who has come out saying i'm going after the leakers. everybody has to be on notice. what have we done? who has been arrested. don't we know or shouldn't we be able to know who has access to information that the president is speaking with the present of

canada or president or present of australia? only a certain number of people have access to that. >> i think viewers would be shocked by the stunning number of people who actually have access to a personal conversation that the president is having on official business. i want to see some people in handcuffs. we know they were mishandling this information by the tens of thousands of documents during the when clinton was there. but now with donald trump there, you still have this happening. it's not that difficult to find the whole food chain whether they do lie detector tests or something else. they have to put people in handcuffs. >> the fact that we haven't gone back. let me ask the question differently. are we wimps? when you have the democrats in power. they will impanel a grand jury and pull people out of major law firms.

they are gunning for our president. we have them by the short hairs. and it's oh, you know, she is a nice lady. >> i think you are right. when republicans had their chance, remember there are inspectors general coming to conclusions and we still didn't pursue it and insist whether it be fast and furious or benghazi or the clinton email scandal. none of that. it was very, very frustrating. the duly issued subpoenas that are not followed through and the deep state is allowed to continue to do it and now embarrass the president. judge jeanine: we issue subpoenas and they get bleach bit and hammers and they destroy evidence. congressman jason chaffetz, thanks so much. catching the white house rats. you can't miss tonight's street

justice. next, amy holmes and michael hopkins may look nice, but they are willing to do battle. a huge scandal involving the hia

first grade teacher needed in her classroom. judge jeanine: a ton of news to cover with my panel. rasmussen reports political analyst amy holmes and michael hopkins. welcome, it's your first time here. let's talk about the leak. when the attorney general says we are going after the leakers, what is it going to take to find them? >> this one of the things democrats and republicans can be

bipartisan about. we'll have to look at who is in the room when things are going on. judge jeanine: you take a lie detector, that can't be used in a criminal case. but it's an investigative tool. >> these leaks aren't just disgraceful, they are dangerous, and a betrayal of these services to protect our fellow americans. the transcript between the president and the heads of state puts us in danger. it means we won't be able to have diplomatic conversations between the commander-in-chief and others when we need them. they want them to be discreet. if any of these leaks were done on a government computer or a government-issued phone, that's

government property. we were told anything you send on the dot gov email can be read by anyone. judge jeanine: what do you think when maxine waters said we need to leak more. >> i think they are the same thing as when trump said the russians should leak. >> what maxine watters is talking about is national security. >> she was talking about the leaks are leaks are leaks. judge jeanine: we have gradations in fell any. >> there is a difference between

leaking a confidential conversation. when chelsea manning gave information, she gave it to a foreign agent. that's a total betrayal. judge jeanine: with the grand jury mueller is impaneling. he made the decision to impanel not in virginia, but d.c. >> he put it into the grand jury that's in d.c. what he believes at least the rumors are -- judge jeanine: why? >> look at the obstruction of justice, that would have come out of the white house. judge jeanine: what were they doing in virginia in the first place? >> that had to do with security papers. judge jeanine: what security papers. >> the nsa is in virginia. judge jeanine: he's forum

shopping. >> the grand jury -- judge jeanine: fit' the trump campaign you should be in the southern district of new york. >> what i'm concerned about is how we are reading the special counsel is expanding his investigation to include what he considers financial impropriety. already veering off his original mandate to investigate potential collusion between russia and the trump campaign. >> how about look into the financial aspects of it. one thing we haven't seen is tax returns. judge jeanine: are we going the use this special counsel to get his tax returns? >> any wrongdoing is being referred to him that has nothing to do "finances or russia. it's being used to squeeze trump associates. judge jeanine: they take them down the food chain and squeeze

them until they get their target. is collusion a crime? >> collusion itself is not a crime. obstruction of justice is not a crime. judge jeanine: if it were obstruction of justice, then jim comey is guilty for not reporting it. >> that's not true. >> the president has the right to fire his f.b.i. director. >> i hope the president sets out and fires the f.b.i. director. i would challenge the president to do it. judge jeanine: we could all be paralyzed by the special counsel the next four years. debbie wasserman-schultz threw sander under the bus and now we have got her suggesting that's the reason she took the part of

that employee who was arrested on his way to pakistan, having spent $300,000 of our money he illegally obtained from the credit union, why isn't that in the grand jury. >> i'm not the biggest debbie wasserman-schultz fan. but we should see what actually happened. this guy was fleeing the country. judge jeanine: why can't you say impanel a grand jury. >> we can impanel a grand jury. everybody is getting a grand jury. >> her relationship with this person, why she is protecting him. nobody understands it. but there is the additional issue where it appears she might have been threatening capitol police with computer issues. judge jeanine: with respect to the immigration, what your take on the suggests legislation by

cotton and perdue? >> i think this is a distraction. it doesn't address the problem. legal immigration is not the problem. illegal immigration is at an all-time low for the last 20-30 years. judge jeanine: it's down 70% because of trump. >> that's not true. it's being used as a wedge issue. >> we need to give michael credit for making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration. we have a generous legal immigration policy. i would be open to should we have more skilled workers and how we do that. that's something we get to decide. judge jeanine: thanks so much for being with us tonight. more on the scandal surrounding miss debbie wasserman-schultz and the democrats. should the attorney general launch a full-scale

investigation? congressman ron desantis says

judge jeanine: former democratic party chair debbie wasserman-schultz digging a deeper hole for herself saying she was right not to fire an i.t. aide after she found out he was under criminal investigation. ron desantis wants the attorney general to investigate. let me start by asking you what are the facts so my viewers have a handle on where we are going with this. >> it's an odd situation. you have this guy, his wife, two

of his brothers, one of the brother's wives and one of their friend had been employed by various democrats for very high salaries. they took in $4 million from american taxpayers. they were being paid what a chief of staff would be paid which is sod. none of us do that for any i.t. support we need. some of these guys were never seen around the house of representatives one of the brothers was working at mcdonald's and another was working at a car company. they may have been no-show jobs. it's an awful lot of money. and they were suspected of access to sensitive information because they had access to the account of the members of the

committees. and you have fraud potential with the equipment they had access to. and the information they had, what did they do to that? because he sent hundreds of thousands of dollars to pakistan. his wife fled to pakistan with $14,000 in cash. judge jeanine: $4 million for no-show jobs, some of them, and i.t. staffer being paid what a chief of staff is paid. then this guy awan ends up being arrested on his way to pakistan after he just wired $300,000, $283,000 to be exact with $9,000 cash on him, just under that $10,000 limit. debbie wasserman-schultz said i wasn't going to let him go because it would have been easy

to fire him despite the fact i had not received any evidence of his wrongdoing. what makes this woman think she deserves evidence of wrongdoing. if there is a criminal investigation, she thriks she should have that information? >> his access to the network was suspended at that point. this is a guy you are paying a handsome salary to for i.t. support but he's denied access so he physically can't perform those duties, but he was still raking in money from the taxpayer. even if he had not gone to pakistan presumably he was still going to get paid. he his pay was only stopped once he got arrested. judge jeanine: you sent a letter to the attorney general. what are you requesting? >> as of the time of the arrest awan and his family members had

$1 million in pending real estate transactions and it's easier to wire money to pakistan if it's the proceeds of a real estate transaction. i think given the facts of the case they can do that it's important because we don't know where this money is going. he and his family members have been linked to an iraqi politician who has hezbollah ties. it's not clear to me whether this implicates our national security. judge jeanine: when i compare this to what we are hear being russian collusion there will be is so much evidence that a prosecutor can take and present to a grand jury. when can i report to my viewers that the debbie wasserman-schultz case is being reviewed by congressional oversight and reform.

this woman is a congresswoman. when can we find out when your ethics committees will be investigating it? >> there is a criminal case against him that we don't know will reach any of the members. there has been an ethics complaint filed against debbie wasserman-schultz. judge jeanine: forget ethics. this woman didn't fire the guy when everybody else did. we have no-show jobs. this is prima facia criminal activity. >> the house we have to investigate what information these guys took, where did they send it and was our security or the integrity of the house jeopardized by their access to that information. judge jeanine: thanks so much for being with us. set your watch it' who are these people?

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judge jeanine: i'm no exterminator, if you neither are the crime fighters in warn. they -- in washington. so i hit the streets to find stout what you think about it. we know there are leakers. there is a rat in the white house.

how are we going to find this rat? how do you find rats? >> get rid of them. judge jeanine: how do you get rid of them? >> fire them. jean rr how do you finds a rats? a mousetrap? >> maybe, a big one. judge jeanine: how do we catch them? >> rat poison? judge jeanine: have you heard about the rats in the white house? have you heard about the leakers in the white house. >> i have not. judge jeanine: have you read a newspaper lately? >> i have not. judge jeanine: what do we do about the rats? set a mousetrap. judge jeanine: if you are from cleveland you don't wear shirls that say cleveland. there are a bunch of rats in the white house leaking information.

>> i'm not a politician, but donald trump will take care of it. judge jeanine: nobody is going to confess. how do you catch them? >> give them false information, see if it gets out, then you know who the rat is. judge jeanine: how do you get them out? >> disinformation. >> we black list him and he never works in this country again. judge jeanine: how do you find the rats leaking information? >> i think they know. it's all a big stunt to make us forget about the things they should be working on. judge jeanine: once we finds them what should we do with them. >> fay treason. judge jeanine: should we feed them to the fish? what do we do with the rats?

>> you are a lover. you are very sweet. how do we finds out who these leakers are in the white house? >> they will have to do the computer work to find out who these people are and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. judge jeanine: how .we mind how the who is -- how do we find out who is doing the snreeks. >> i guess you get somebody to leak it to you. >> people have a right to know what our government is doing. judge jeanine: what about our national security. >> we need it. we have to have it. judge jeanine: they are musting our stuff on the front page. >> i feel pretty secure. judge jeanine: who do you owe that to? soot men and women that have served. judge jeanine: how do you catch a rat? >> with a rat trap. judge jeanine: once you catch

the rat, what do you do with it? >> you cook 'em. they are delicious. judge jeanine: all right, darling, your cameo is over.

judge jeanine: that is it for us tonight. thanks for watching. greg gutfeld is next. see you next saturday night.

♪ >> thank god there is nothing to talk about on saturday. >> will saturday bring? >> one hell of a week smacks what we call this week? greg: does that make you sick? it did, didn't it? there is a cure. >> it could happen to anyone. you find yourself listening to their self-congratulatory rhetoric. >> what will be say to her children about this? >> you get headaches and nausea