set your dvr. see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." i amam laura ingraham, guest hosting while tucker is on vacation with his family. i have a question. you know what a liberals idea of armageddon is? no, it is not a nuclear north korea. but a successful trump presidency. do you know what the never trump republicanss on capitol hill feel, clear the most? it's not isis or a 5,000-point drop in the dow. but a successful trump presidency. todayto is the 200th day of this administration and despite the hyperventilation and alarmism we are hearing from the national press corps, they are

prematurely declaring the trump administration are failure, of course, but in fact, it is the resistance that is playing a risky gambit. talking about the resistance like chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, of course, groups like planned parenthood on the left, and on the suppose it right, senators jeff flake, people like john mccain, and what unites all of them is their sadm and rather pathetic fear ad loathing of president trump. so they want you so saturated in this endless, mindless russia story deal, and other irrelevant west wing in trade that is mostly fueled by leaks, that you even begin to believe their negative spin. these people are happiest when his numbers go down, when his legislation and has confirmations stalled, even if they their own approval numbers go down. they don't even care. by the way, their approval numbers have also gone down a lot. trump's approval rating may only

be up 37% according to 1 for, but check this out. this approval rating, north carolina, 29%. nancy pelosi's, 27%. chuck schumer's is 26%. mitch mcconnell is a very impressive 17%. despite two years of nonstop bile and vitriol from washington's bipartisan elite class, trump is beating all of them. while of course it's true that marquee legislative successes are lacking, whether health care, tax reform, infrastructure, but it's equally true as well that president trump has done a lot, even without congress, to make our lives better. think about it. consumer confidence, the stock market, new business start ups, wages even. the gdp they are all up. foreign policy, we have a lot of challenges up there.po but his team has worked to forge new alliances where possible and make it clear to our allies that we expect them to pay their fair

share for their own defense. not get suckered into another trade deal or international deal that saps the independence. what else has he done? trump has streamlined onerous regulations and red tape and almost every federal department. he is given relief to our vets at the v.a. he has gotten a phenomenal dressers confirmed that the supreme court and has 29 more points to be approved than other federal courts. on trade, he put the cheaters on notice and he has already changed the behavior of offending nations as a result. i say this. other than maybe bernie sanders, he is the only living american politician who could get tens of thousands of people to show up in the middle of the summer on a hot day in a nonelection year to hear him speak. his approval numbers, yeah, they need to boost income of that is for sure. but considering that 24/7 media onslaught against him, the destruction of the russia probe,

and the resistance from congress, both sides of congress, he has done a heck of a lot in just 200 days.he if he can keep focused, and he can keep his team motivated, keep them together, and put pressure on the hillsu to delivr on some of these big issues, he'll improve his numbers. and he'll grow the populist movement. mark green is a former new york city public advocate who has created an anti-trump shadow cabinet online. hi, mark. i bet you just loved every word of what i said. a >> i'm a big admirer of your skills and endurance. i did hear what you said and i am talking to an audience who have has heard that and tens of thousands of hours on fox about what you said. may i have a contrary view that is not ideological, but factual? >> laura: you're here. >> there are two reasons that trump has been a predictable historic failure. first, there has never been a president in the modernn era of

polling who, at this point, is at 33% favorable. barack obama, the villain of fox, was that 60%, he ended up at 60%. there has never been a president of the modern era who has zero major legislation of his own inactivity. >> laura: so you think that helping the v.a. -- guess what, you don't get a mini monologue, i do. you think the v.a. legislation is not -- it's nothing ? >> it's obama's legislation. he screwed up the v.a. and they passed it. there has never been a president who has fired his chief of staff and the communications crew and a special counsel. >> laura: obama never fired anyone even after benghazi. > it took nixon six years to get to a special prosecutor on the brink of impeachment. of course, with mueller, with the foreign adversary, according to all of the intelligence agencies, penetrating the american democracy to help trump, you don't deny that. he is now on the brink --

>> laura: you actually think, even some former obama officials say, they have no evidence for, which is that russia changed the outcome of the o election, so, pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, et cetera, voters turned out because of prudent? do you actually really think that? >> the rhetorical question doesn't cut it. all intelligence agencies say that they helped elect trump. he lost about 41 mark the electoral college because in 1787, they give extra electoral vote to the other side -- >> laura: he's a manhattan guy. >> most conservative intellectuals, charles krauthammer, crystal -- >> laura: what you are saying right now, and when you say the intellectuals think, do you understand at all -- we get, you think trump is in in a disaste.

we get that. you are a great adjective. we have a list of all of your adjectives. basically, in your mind, he is hitler, mussolini, stalin, all rolled into one. >> i have never, ever said that. you are the one who used adjectives like that.iv >> laura: you basically believe that -- >> don't put words in my mouth, laura. >> laura: the intellectuals on theli coast, they know better tc the millions of people in the electoral states that ended up mattering in the end, then those people elected. do they have any right to be upset with what has happened to this country, the middle class who turned out for trump? what are the other things you dislike about trump? why did they not turn out for the prize, vaunted democratic party? >> if you. want to put out pegy noonan and charles krauthammer and bill kristol into the elites -- >> laura: they both thought trump was going to lose and they both were absolutely critical throughout, against trump throughout the primary.

they didn't want trump to win. peggy noonan is a different deal, i love her. the fact that three republican intellectuals, with whom you disagree on pretty much every other issue -- >> howay about america? he has half the popularity of obama. how about the world? the pew research center didbo a survey -- >> laura: i am shedding a tear about the world thinks. >> let me get to the conclusion of one sentence. they ask people around the world, would you trust trump or obama, who is out of office? 64% trusted obama. 22%, trump. we are a laugh laughingstock numerically. >> laura: we have established that, in your view, trump is the worst, -- pipe down. piped out for a minute. you have spent your minutes here saying donald trump is the worst. my question to you is, okay, what next for you and the democratic

party? what do you have to offer those middle-class voters who did turn out, my many of them voted for obama, they had a lot of faith in him, they voted this time around for donald trump. his popularity, among those people, is deriding pretty highh what do democrats offer to them? >> i tried to say i was going to be factual. as you know, 88% of republicans voted for trump over clinton. it is now down to 75%. >> laura: you will not come on their show, give me a few substantive solutions for the democrats to win over those critical voters? >> you are beyond your adjectives and by numbers. let's talk about the democrats. hillary lost for a lot of reasons, but one of them, it is on her shoulders. she didn't talk about economic change in the way that people connected to. now, by the way, as you know, george w. bush ended his term losing $14 trillion in a recession. >> laura: you and i agree on that. >> obamati took that great

recession my 80 straight months of growth through now. so, any credit trump wants to take --ts you are the rooster taking credit for the donkey. >> laura: south korea helping out on trade now and doing better on trade, that is because ofra barack obama? are you kidding me? >> 80 straight months of growth under obama. we'll see how trump does. he has taken credit for obama. look, democrats have to look -- i doubt mueller will be successfullyng fired. whatever he does -- >> laura: the democrats 'a solution -- i gave you time, and you and practice of that doesn't matter. at thema democratic solution -- quote that is your solution to this? >> we need candidates like elizabeth warren. she said her whole life has been a single mother from oklahoma. you want to deal with consumers

and workers. are you for a minimum wage increase? >> laura: i'm hoping you are right. we can and are not. i pray and hope for your wish to come true that someone like elizabeth moran is nominated.be i beg for that. mark, great to see you. all right, chicago is suing the trump administration for its right to ignore federal immigration laws. today, mayor rahm emanuel announced a legal challenge to the administration's efforts to cut funds for sanctuary cities, such as chicago. >> i will never allow our police department to become something that people don't see as their partner in the basic community safety we want to see. i s think the justice department is tryingti to coerce people ino making a choice between who they are and their values and what you want to see in every neighborhood across the city. that is why we will file a case against the justice department. >> laura: and immigration policy analyst at the cato institute joins us. it is great to see you.

this is a sanctuary city debate. it is pretty heated across thesa country. the cato institute has traditionally been for very generous and increased immigration. illegal immigration, guest workers, foreign workers, temporary workers, pretty much across the board. does the cato institute, which you represent, do they believe any criminal aliens should be deported? if so, when and which type? >> absolutely. we have written extensively about the time, both on the local level, local government should arrest immigrants, and on the federal government, when they should deport them. we think we should focus primarily on those who are violent and property offenders, those who have broken laws that actually hurt other people, either physically -- >> laura: what about drunk driving? >> that qualifies. if they are convicted of driving united states. >> laura: in and out. >> if they are convicted of a

crime, if they have done that, then, yes. >> laura: of people are in the country illegally, you basically believe that as long as they are not violating any other american laws, that they should be able to stay forever? >> the laws where there is not a victim, and there should be a way to legalize, to be able to get --an >> laura: so your messages, come here, come here illegally, don't commit violent acts or drive drunk,le and to stay as lg as you like? that is a really radical position. >> my main message is for congress to create illegal immigration system that work so that people can come here lawfully, work for a while, go home if they want to, or if they -- >> laura: we don't have that yet. so, the cato institute, and other break immigration groups like yours, they believe that this is a federalism issue, that localities like chicago, which have seen increases in disturbing rates and types of crime with the century policies, miami has decided to go the other way, miami is saying we want to the sink's radio anymore because we don't want to lose

the funding. you are making a federalism argument in part, aren't you? >> impart. i mainly focused on the facts of the matter. the reason people take a look at sanctuary city policies on how crime changes in those cities after those policies are put into effect, there is no increase in violence or property crime in those cities after it was put in place. it there was a good amount of evidence that when cities and localities andli counties are forced into federal immigration programs, there wass, no effectn crime or in some cases, there was actually an increase in violent crime rates. when the feds canceled them, crime fell in those places. >> laura: you are wrong about the statistics. back in 2015, breitbart did a piece about how nbc -- >> oh, breitbart. >> laura: breitbart never gets it right? >> i have to see what the statistics are. >> laura: how many victims are okay to have a knee cities according to cato? you basically think, if you are here, and you are not caught, then you should stay as long as

you want? what about aborting people before they commit a crime? they have already violated the law by being here illegally. we have examples. this is danny mcgann, hit by a drunk driver in chicago, illegal immigrant with felony convictions, killed him. ronald green, 45, hit by a drunk driver, living in the country illegally. shawna gayden, 13 years old, was shot to death by a criminal illegal immigrants with previous convictions. alejandra called around her shot by illegal immigrants. with previoust convictions. and alicia guerrero and her daughter were shot by an illegal immigrant for the criminal was a 23-year-old illegal alien with domestic i abuse convictions. rahm emanuel doesn't believe that he should have to share this information with the federal government. in fact, that is putting the welcome mat out to individuals who are here illegally to come live here, we'll protect you. isn't it supposed to be the

other way around? are elected officials supposed to protect the american citizens? >> most of these cases, they actually do cooperate with the feds when it comes to people who are convicted of violent and property offenders, as they should be. >> laura: this guy was reported 20 times, a 62-year-old senior citizen viciously raped. >> they should focus 100% on people like that. other point is, when immigration increases, you have an increase in crime rate, increase in murder. >> laura: 80% of voters oppose sanctuary cities. >> i would rather appeal to the facts of the popularity poll. >> laura: let's take this to the people and the people -- i think we took the people in november. >> facts are moren important thn polls, laura. >> laura: who is the big thunder of cato? >> i couldn't tell you. i don't look at at the funding. >> laura: it determines your immigration policy.

>> you can't stick to the facts, so you change the -- >> laura: do you know what cato said about ronald reagan? the most protectionist president in the u.s. history. they have become beyond the mainstream and radical and their views. i am not chasing the conversation -- changing the conversation. so you actually want more criminals in the united states? >> i don't want. i want them to focus -- >>t. laura: what does the word sanctuary mean? >> it means not -- it means saving people who are not violent property criminals, allowing them to live in the united states, who are not -- why is it that -- >> laura: lowering wages of >> laura: lowering wages of you? what if your job could be replaced by an illegal immigrant? >> my job could very easily be

replaced, there is no cap -- >> laura: there is no american who will do your job? wait a second, why don't you do your job? >> you don't understand the visa system. >> laura: actually, i did. i studied immigration law back in the day. television personality and alleged comedian chelsea handler says it is time to start arresting offensive people. we will show you what she said next. maxine waters is calling alan dershowitz a racist because he called out the grand jury for racism. the professor will be here next. usaa to me means

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>> laura: people are coming up with terrible ideas and unfortunately, because they are celebrities, we all have to hear about them. and on sunday, comedian and talk soa host chelsea handler tweeted the following. "two chinese guys were arrested in berlinn for making nazi salutes. wouldn't it be nice to have laws here for people who think racism is funny? "this response, "no, but it's nice we have the first amendment. and this tweeted, ," please, reconsider, what you want to see mel first amendment." brooks arrested? ", the heart of what she was advocating, saying, chelsea handler basically calls for the arrest of sarah silverman and countless other comedians. maybe that is actually the idea. other unfunny comedians. handler could benefit from imprisoning the competition. harvard law professor alan dershowitz has long been

critical of the endless search for russian collusion by donald trump's campaign team. now, he is getting called, get this, a racist. recently, he had this to say after it was reported that special counsel popular had impaneled a grand jury in washington, d.c. >> the district of columbia, which is solidly democratic and has an ethnic and racial composition that might be veryra unfavorable to the trump administration. >> laura: pretty obviously true, but truth is no defense these days. california congresswoman maxine waters was quick to lash out at dershowitztz as a racist term f, despite his decades of donating to democrats.s. >> he went on to talk about the thee went on to talk about the district as stacking the deck against donald trump. i do think it is unfair? >> is absolutely unfair. you know, all of those black people are there and they don't like trump. he is not going to get a fair

trial. so they should take it out of their jurisdiction. it shouldn't be there to begin with. i don't like that. i am surprised that alan dershowitz is talking like that. and we willl not stand for it. we will push back against that because that is absolutely racist. >> laura: alan dershowitz now joins us. professor, it is good to see you. i have heard a lot of craziness lately and all of these barbs and insults being thrown at people. but that kind of took the cake, when you were merely making a comment about the way juries operate, grand jury's operate in different jurisdictions. yet, a democrat now has granted you a racist, really, a popular democrat right now. what is your response to this madness? >> i learned about jury selection and the role of race and ethnicity and politics for my friend and colleague johnny cochran. of course, when he tragically

died, maxine waters past special legislation honoring him for his great sensitivity regarding race. if i said it is not a factor -- she tosses around that term so promiscuously that it dilutes the term. she hurts her own cause. because she is crying wolf. if everybody is a racist, the nobody is a racist. if i'm a racist, then what is she going to call real, real racists? i was involved in the civil rights movement all of my life. if she can call me a racist -- as i said, and my interview, being black does not give you a license to call someone a racist, just like being jewish doesn't give you a license to call people's anti-semites unless they actually are racist or anti-semite. for her to use that term, when i made an utterly uncontroversial statement, there are criminal lawyer prosecutors whor would disagree with the statement that

mueller got an advantage by moving the case to the district of columbia, that he has a better chance of getting a favorable jury pool and the district of columbia then he bought in virginia. everybody would agree with that. it's a simple statement of fact. >> laura: professor, a real quick question. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general yesterday on "fox news sunday" denied that this was going to be some fishing expedition by bob mueller, that it had to come back toph him. asking for an increase scope in the investigation, if they wanted to issues regarding trump's other business dealings, other leases not involving russian collusion. are you satisfied with what he said, giving his own letter where he said, any matter that arose or may arise directly from the investigation -- that was in his authorizing and appointing letter of bob mueller. >> of course. it's a very, very -- mandate. let's remember that the clinton

started with the investigation of financial fraud and ended up with monica lewinsky. there are no limits where mueller can take this investigation.n. this is "moby dick" and captain ahab. he has to find something. he will spend a lot of money, hire a lot of people, and if he comes up saying -- people will say, oh, my god,hi why did he waste all that money? >> laura: it's an endless investigation with a limitless budget. professor, e thanks so much. and crime is rising in many american cities. some republican governors is takingit action. coming up, we'll talk to a democrat furious that the state democrat has sent state troopers to secure st. louis. heart valve problem.by a but no matter where i ride, i go for my best. so if there's something better than warfarin,

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>> laura: after two decades of decline from a violent crime is rising in american cities. in st. louis, america's deadliest city, the murder rate has tripled and is back to levels not seen since the early '90s. the states republican governor, eric reitan's, is taking action. he is sending state troopers to police st. louis highways so that local police can focus on curbing violence. don calloway is democratic strategist and serves as the missouri state representatives and he joins us. good to see h you. we were talking about the old days of the university of virginia. oh, to be back there again.

let's talk about what is happening in st. louis. i see in an interesting collaboration, actually, between the republican governor and the democrat mayor of st. louis. they don't agree on a lot. but she is welcoming state troopers who are coming in from other localities to help relieve the bottleneck on crime. where you come up on this? >> more police on the street, even in the form of highway patrolman and patrol woman is never a bad thing. however, it doesn't get to the root cause of the issue. crime is at its all-time worst in st. louis, unfortunately. that is not a partisan issue.se we see that as a result of the city having contracted businesses. crime is a function of poverty and poverty is caused by a lack of educational and economic opportunities. highway patrol is good, we all want to live in safe neighborhoods, however, if you are not addressing economic opportunities and educational opportunities, you are putting a

band-aid on an open wound and it's not a long-term solution. >> laura: there's a lot of poor people in the country, everywhere, people struggling. it doesn't mean just because you are poor that you commit crimes. do you think the problem -- >> i didn't say that. >> laura: everybody -- i think one thing trump ran on was bringing people from the lower middle class to the middle class, trying to raise them up with more manufacturing with more manufacturing opportunities in the workplace. yet, those eight years under obama, they had some tough economic times. st. louis didn't seem to get much better during obama, dated? >> st. louis didn't get much better. >> laura: why? speak with the contracting market in general. it's a city i habited a lot about. regionally, -- >> laura: whose policies made at contract? i would say that trade policies and the deindustrialization of the middle west has really hurt the people of st. louis. >> st. louis, for the last 60 years, has made decisions that now resulted in a city contracting, as opposed to the cityhe expanding. >> laura: there's a lot of

democrats who run st. louis. democrat rule for a long, long time. >> those of us who participate in a public sphere, we owe it to give a thoughtful answer about criminal histories and the real policies of regionalism that st. louis and havelism that contracted. those policies have created more poverty, not democratic or republican, for they are poor irving planning. >> laura: pick up the people -- >> property is a rural issue, as well. republicans dominate rural politics. >> laura: they don't have ms-13. >> they don't have ms-13 in st. louis, either. i have to defend my home town. at the end of the day, st. louis has a crumbling public education system, it has a crumbling -- >> laura: how about fatherlessness? >> it has a crumbling corporate industry. family issues. h all of the systemic and endemic issues that contributed property. property is the father of crime. we want to crime reduced by having more police -- >> laura: what is your answer to poverty?

we had eight years under obama. >>we you have brought up obama more than one time. >> laura: he is almost on mount rushmore. >>ru he should be. >> laura: what did he do for st. louis? >> he saw 80 months of consecutive job growth. >> laura: what happened? >> what happened st. louis is the same thing that has happened in washington, d.c., the same thing that has happened in new orleans or new york city. >> laura: democrat, democrat, democrat, democrat. >> controlled by republican governors. poverty is not a partisan issue. i think that we owe the problem of poverty -- we all would a higher thought than to attributed to democrats or republicans. it has nothing to do with that. >> laura: so poverty and crime -- >> when we begin tocr address systemic issues such as job creation, we want to see -- >> laura: you should be a trump populace. bring those manufacturing jobs back. >> it's about economic -- >> laura: you should reach out to trump. i think you would haveba a lot > talk about. >> maybe he should reach out toe

me. >> laura: i would love that. >> i was born and raised in north st. louis. great opportunity that kept us safe and we have to have those type of communities available. >> laura: that we can agree on. i think it is awesome. thank you so much. great to see you. atheist richard dawkins has batch christians for years. but now, he is being blacklisted by the left for criticizing islam. he will be here next. ♪ with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just because of a claim. i totally could've - no! switching to allstate is worth it.

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>> laura: scientist richard dawkins spent years attacking christianity and religious belief in general. he was a hero on the left for doing so. butt now, dawkins himself has become persona non grata on the left. recently, a berkeley, california, radio station canceled a live event with dawkins after the public complained about dawkins' criticism of islam. richard dawkins has a new book coming out tomorrow titled

"science in the soul," selected writings of a passionate rationalist. he joins us now. professor, how are you? good to see you. >> i am fine, thank you. >> laura: tell me what happened here. this is wild. i have watched her old debates online, you guys have great audiences, great participation. but you have been doing this atheist deal globally for years and years and years and you have a huge following. but then, you come against all the tolerant ones at berkeley. what happened? t >> when you say the public complained, i think about one person might have complained. if you actuallyly look at the website of that radio station, their own website, i think it is running something like 97% condemnation of them. yes, and 4% condemnation of me. you're right. i am an equal opportunity religion basher. i have been criticizing all religion, mostly christianity, for years. you can do that as much as you like with the left. as soon as you criticize any

aspect of islam, they come down on you like a ton of bricks. why they have this double standard is a big mystery. >> laura: why do you think that is, given the fact that, today we see the most horrific violence being committed against all religious minorities, all minorities period, obviously gay people by isis and other isis accolades, the taliban, i never understood that. the wrath of the left is much more directed toward christian conservatives, i guess. they think they are the bigger threat than people who are actually cutting people's heads off. that was a head turner. >> i don't know why this is. i don't think they are frightened of getting their heads off if they let me on. i think more probably, they mistakenly think that islam is a race and therefore, they think thatou anybody who criticizes islam must in some sense be racist. it's bizarre but i believe that must be at least sort of a

subconscious motive. >> laura: what does that mean about your readers, though? most of them come from the left. if so many of these people think islam is a race, that is a lowbrow, beyond lowbrow, isn't it? >> i regard myself as on the left. i think it is extremely unpleasant new phenomenon, it is now called the regressive left. it's only a minority. butt it's a very unpleasant and unfortunate one. >> laura: what do you think about free speech in general today? college campuses expanding the conversation?nd we saw what happened, even at middlebury college, and vermont, not far from where i went to school, berkeley, obviously with the riots. there seems to be a very literal for real exchange, robust exchange of ideas. that is what college is supposed to be about, isn't it? exchanging ideas? >> absolutely. a university is the place where exchange of ideas it should

place, free speech should take place. it's tragic, especially that berkeley of all places, the home of the free speechgi movement in 1963, should now be suppressing free speech in this way. >> laura: richard, do you get upset when people say, i'll pray for you? to that bug you? >> [laughs] i take it as rather fun. i don't mind that at all. >> laura: have you ever. speak of what i was a child, i thought as a a child. i understood as a child. but when i became a man -- >> laura: i got at. >> okay. i used p to have childish thing. to be when i got it. richard, we appreciate it. of course i willil pray for you. it's great to have you on. after the break, tucker will be back to interview a former planned parenthood worker about what really goes on inside an abortion clinic. ♪ for my constipation,

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♪ >> laura: tucker had a heated argument recently with charles chamberlain of democracy for america, challenging him about the morality of abortion when a fetus d is capable of surviving outside thele womb. >> tucker: there are people who have real concerns, moral concerns, about abortion, that aren't rooted in their desire to oppress women. this is a real question. when you spew mindless propaganda about choice and medical procedures and -- a kind of blurs what is a really important question, like do you have a right to take a life? do you see that? >> i think what you are confusing is the question of who has the right to make decisions about their own lives. >> tucker: you are saying -- you concede it's taking up a life at that stage? of the child can live outside the womb, that as children? do you concede that or would you pretend it's not? >> once the baby is outside of the womb, then you have rights,

you are an individual. until that happens, you can't exist without being in the womb. >> laura: tuckert recently spoke to former abortion clinic worker abby johnson about her really goes on inside the walls of planned parenthood. >> tucker: how long did you work at planned parenthood? >> i was there for eight years. >> tucker: what did you do while you were there? >> i was a clinic manager, so i took care of the day-to-day operations, hiring and firing personnel, making sure that there are budgets for maintaining, including the abortion quota. we had to maintain the quota every month. >> tucker: excuse me. by that, you mean you had to perform a certain number of apportionments in the clinic every month? >> that's right. every planned parenthood facility has a monthly abortion quota they must meet. >> tucker: why?

>> that is how they made their money. about 50% of their income is just cash from abortion service services.de in order to keep their clinics open, they have to sell so many abortions. >> tucker: what about other mammograms and life-saving work? >> [laughs] yeah, you know, funny about mammograms. there is not a planned parenthood in the country that provides mammogram services. they don't provide prenatal care. they don't do a lot of things that they say they do. >> tucker: basically, it's an abortion clinic. >> pretty much. they provide a few things, std testing and birth control, but they provide birth control because, according to their own numbers, 54% of women who have abortions are using birth control at the time that they got pregnant. they know that that is just a way to get these young girls, especially -- i i mean, i'm 37 years old, i couldn't remember to take a pill at the same time every day. get these young girls in there, put them on a pill or a method with a high human error rate, and eventually they will end up

pregnant and that is another way to get an abortion. >> tucker: so they also sell fetal tissues, baby parts command you saw that happen. what are the economics of that? >> at the affiliate where i worked, we sold the whole body for about $200 per fetus. that went to a company, and you know, the houston facility, the largest -- i worked for that affiliate, the largest abortion facility in the western hemisphere, second-largest to china. we were doing -- we had capacity to perform about 75 abortions every day, six days a week. so if you look at -- even half of those women having tissue that is suitable to be donated or sold, then you are looking at

over $2 million a year. just at that one clinic. >> tucker: i thought that planned parenthood, or any facility like planned parenthood, is not allowed to sell human parts. >> it's interesting because the way that they line item everything, it looks like it's a legitimate business transaction. but because of the losses they can charge for things like shipping and handling and things like that, so if they line item it correctly, then it looks like you are just paying for handling services or for shippingng services. but really, there is no additional handling involved. there is no additional a shippig involved, they pick up the parts from our facility. if you line item it correctly, that is how they are skirting around the law. >> tucker: in your eight years there, that any of your coworkers ever acknowledge how

ghoulish and horrible the whoe thing has?ig just the whole enterprise that you are in the middle of? >> yeah, i think what happens -- ms happened to me as well -- when you are working inside of an industry like that, you become very dark, and you stop seeing the heinous acts that you are participating in. it becomes a joke. i remember my supervisor joking about the babies that we aborted, and things like the security code on our alarm was 22229 because that spelled out "baby," they thought that was hilarious . where we pieced together baby parts in the lab, and we would reassemble them, we would put them in a freezer, everybody jokingly called out to the nursery. you begin to have this very dark

humor. you have to, at some point, recognize what we are doing is really heinous and gruesome. he sort of build up this callou callous. >> tucker: looking back, how do you feel about it all? >> i am certainly sorry that i participated in something like that. i feel like they i have been given an opportunity to speak out about the experience that i have had and to turn the evil i participated in and to something good. that is what i'mt' trying to do. >> tucker: we are grateful you came. this is a subject cloaked by euphemisms and it's nice to know choice really means. telling us, abby.ns. >> thanks so much. >> laura: great segment, tucker. the show isn't over. we'll be right back. remember our special night?

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be sure to check out and follow lifezette.comma. good night from washington. "the five" is next for new york city. see you tomorrow night. ♪ >> kimberly: hello, everyone, i am kimberly guilfoyle. along with richard fowler, dana perino, greg gutfeld, and jesse watters. it's 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." when president trump came into office, he signed an order that clear the path to strip federal funds that don't comply with the nation's immigration laws. they are sanctuary cities all across the country, providing safe haven for undocumented criminals. chicago is one of them. today, it's mayor powell mike filed suit, accusing the president of blackmail. >> we are a