i might bring david over here and take over. you watch and see. we'll be back here in an hour, i hope, still. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> jon: bye-bye. >> harris: fox news alert, north korea is a problem, defiant as ever, pressing against the toughest imposed sanctions in years with an official government statement that it will never negotiate its nuclear weapons program. this is taliban here today, jessica tarvlov, entities of #oneluckyguy, the former congressman of the great state of utah and fox news contributor jason chaffetz is in the house. good to have you. >> jason: last time you set i had the new car smell. it must've worn off.

>> harris: we are working and a quarter pounder now. good to see you. let's get to it. here is the newest. and the wake of tough new u.n. sanctions, north korea is rejecting the idea of talk, sing its nuclear weapons program is nonnegotiable. that country's foreign minister said "we have already explained that unless the u.s.'s villainous policies are settled, our nuclear arms and icbms will never be up for negotiation and we will never give way and the path of nuclear development. we have selected." former ambassador to the u.n., john bolton warned the north's potential to strike american soil is no longer a fantasy. >> i don't think there's any dispute from anybody who seriously understands north korea's capabilities and a general view is by next year, next year, north korea could have the capabilities to hit any

target they wanted to and the united states. >> harris: the ambassador went on to say that he believes the new sanctions like the ones imposed by previous the ministrations do little to curb north korea's nuclear appetite. president trump is praising the action recently taken by the united nations tweeting "after many years of failure, countries are coming together to finally address the dangers posed by north korea. we must be tough and decisive." here we are again on the precipice of north korea going rogue, as we say. is this different, worse? >> jason: it is worse because their capability is growing in the frequency of which they are sending these missiles towards japan and towards us is really problematic. for u.s. public policy, i believe it's right in the president's right to assume that what north korea is saying is what they will actually do. when you hear and read the stories about how they're escalating, again the frequency, their capability of the

long-range nature, we deployed a system into south korea, we were very unified with japan and south korea. we have built things in guam, but having been in the region, i was there, we walked right up to the border this past spring, it is very serious, it's very tense. a lot of credit to the trump administration for the 15-0 equity council vote. >> harris: he had russia and china come on board with that. >> jason: they play as pivotal role as anybody. china and russia do not want to see our military presence there grow, but they understand that with donald trump is the president, he will take action and push the envelope to make sure that the majority of our naval forces right now are in the pacific and that is a key indicator. >> harris: emac, what about the idea that the conqueror missed men is saying there.

>> elizabeth: and mike baker was saying before and fox business that it got a 15-0 vote under president obama, he would have gotten another nobel peace prize. with russia and china on board with this, it's really striking. president trump inherited a mess, it was kick the can down the road would have the president's policies to north korea and now there's not much road left. the issue, had he got china to step up, china doesn't like that antimissile symptom to make that's a way to get china on board. >> harris: it's more than just a statement that came out criticizing north korea, telling them to step back. you're saying china has to do even more. >> elizabeth: yes, and to knock off a third of north korea's exports, a billion dollars worth is a big deal.

next step would be to go after oil. oil imports into north korea. >> harris: interesting. jessica? >> jessica: i agree with what's been said here. nikki haley and president trump are the real rock stars of this. it's amazing what she's done there. >> harris: how is she been a game changer? >> jessica: she's been allowed to be the sole actor within the u.n. she is going after things that have been priorities for her, i think she's made it clear to president trump and other members of the administration that that is her domain and she has clear priorities. she has a very good sense of what american values are, what our priorities are and how to execute that. i think she is well respected. i think part of that does have to do with the fact that she at first was a fan of president trump and everyone knows that she's doing this for the good of the country. all the props in the world to her. i think it's important that public opinion is swaying. there is much more increased support for prevention there. if north korea does take off, i

don't know what that is due to, but i think it is important and it certainly puts the wind at president trump back there. >> harris: part of it, because he's brought it into the fold. we have a look of national security and the approval rating now for the president, and it's interesting because of 48 48% approve and you have to see which part of people were end, but that's high above the approval rating overall. >> sandra: what i'm hearing from you, congressman, you approve the administration's actions, but it doesn't go far enough. if they were to go farther to curb north korea's actions, would you be suggesting us for a strategy? >> jason: the united states is doing everything it can, from everything to dennis rodman. anybody can get it done, i'm sure dennis rodman could get it done.

i do think the international community is viewing donald trump like ronald reagan. he will take decisive action. he is not bashful in using military force and an appropriate way. that is in part because he has a senior people, from general kelly and general mattis, he has very senior people who have doing this for decades. when he took action in syria, the world kind of set up because when they saw barack obama, they saw him dry red line do nothing. they didn't do anything. nobody feared him and our international partners didn't believe him, but having been and talked to the foreign minister and south korea, i talked to the prime minister in japan. they actually believe and like and appreciate donald trump. >> jessica: you wouldn't know that. you do look at the attitudes towards them internationally, they are incredibly positive.

>> jason: name one foreign policy, its success that president obama had. >> jessica: the climate accord accord. president obama oversaw taking on more terrorists than any other president, no? >> jason: no. >> harris: if the former president is watching and he started with climate change, he's going to where she moved to item two. >> jessica: the redline issue, i'm totally with you. >> elizabeth: they can again voluntarily comply for china. getting back to north korea, the antimissile system is huge to get china on board. china hates it, they see it as a spying apparatus. remember in '94, the clinton did

it. then to get china to knuckle under and go hard-core north korea? yes. can china step up now and go hard-core north korea? possibly. while china cheat question or possibly. they do want chaos of the border, that's what they're afraid of. >> sandra: let's take this to dinner conversations that are happening all over the country right now. how serious is this threat as we've heard and seen many analysts lay out that this could be a threat to most areas in the united states, how serious do you see this right now? >> jason: i had a chance to visit with admiral harris who wears a four-star admiral in charge of specific command. when i asked what keeps you up at night, what you worry about? without equivocation, it's north korea. it's dealing with somebody who we have very difficult time getting human intelligence on. somebody who is constantly berating the united states. that happens around the world, but he is backing it up by throwing missiles into the ocean that are going towards japan.

we have tens of thousands of united states troops coming of tens of millions of people in close proximity, and you just don't know when that missile is going to be live and will thus send it a little bit further. >> harris: would you sit down with kim jong-un? >> jason: i would sit down with just about anybody, but you have to have the biggest, baddest military on the face of the planet to take out the threat if it is real. that's what gives me great comfort. not only the senior leadership, but the men and women who are out there serving on those boats in the aircraft carriers, there is nothing going on to take out the threat. that's what i think china and russia understand, we do have the capability and i don't think donald trump will be bashful in protecting the world and the united states. i hope it never comes to that, but it might have to. >> harris: you can comey liz. the alias for loretta lynch now

concluding those related to -- why did she feel the need for an alias? plus, the reaction to president trump's own take on the news on his facebook page, touting his accomplishments, a good way to get out the message or could it be taken the wrong way? after the tv version of us wraps up, we pop up online, foxnews.com/unnumbered, click on the overtime tab, or you can watch us on facebook live, or handle outnumbered fnc. and of course, to eat anytime you want, sandra's on her phone right now ♪ ♪ it's me and my best friend only new tena intimates has pro-skin technology designed to quickly wick away moisture to help maintain your skin's natural balance. for a free sample, call 1-877-get-tena.

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♪ >> sandra: a new report revealing that brenda lynch used the alias elizabeth carlisle for official emails as attorney general, including those related to her infamous meeting with president bill clinton. the emails reveal hundreds of documents. the fake name can be spotted in the emails just days after the tarmac sit down. the subject line, talking points/statements. the email reading in part, "we

are holding on this statement now, given that there wasn't any follow-up in the press avail. all." watch our group's essay could be a tricky way to dodge requests from official documents. all this is a same trove of emails show members of the media appear reluctant to cover the clinton/lynch meeting. "i hope i can put it to rest by answering just a few more questions. this from a reporter from "the new york times" saying he is been pressed to write about the questions being raised. cannot wait to hear what you have to say about this alias. >> jason: there is so much wrong with this. first of all, your reporters that want to gloss right over this and move on, as if they're doing something in collusion to say we don't want to cover anything. you did have the former attorney general, eric holder,

he used an alias to try to cover up some things. here's the problem, if you go back and play the tape, trey gowdy asked loretta lynch and she testified that she did not use an alias. he has from the record and what they'll have to compare is this pseudonym with her real email and see what the requests were. remember, there are subpoenas and congressional requests and there is information requests. the first time that they went for the freedom of information act request, the department of justice came back and said there are no emails responsive to this request. that's required by law to provide that. that is where i think they really, really stumped over the line. the department of justice says

there are no responsive emails and then they come back and find hundreds of them. have we seen this story play out before? >> sandra: harris is in love with this alias. >> harris: and my minds eye, there is a real elizabeth carlisle somewhere sitting at a being her cheerios spitting them out one at a time saying, i don't even use email. it is odd to me. i'll send her, i understand. maybe that was a joke of he's a basketball fan, but it seems so random and it speaks to the issue of subterfuge. we didn't know about that tarmac meeting until it was about to happen with a former president, his wife is under investigation. it just feels like it's not quite right. all we need to do at this point is ask a bunch of great questions, get to the bottom of those emails that came out of nowhere and are there any more? does elizabeth carlisle know about it? >> elizabeth: the other thing,

if bill clinton and libretto lynch were only talking about the grandkids, why was it so heavily redacted by the fbi? why were so many pages blacked out? at that time, according to the local tv reporter who broke the news, the fbi, according to him was saying no cell phone photos, no pictures, no cameras, no even talking on their cell phones when they were on the tarmac covering that story. i don't know where this goes. you're right asking about trey gowdy's discussion under oath with loretta lynch. >> sandra: what about the media's response to cover this encounter as evidence it wasn't? >> jessica: what you didn't see it is the editorial in the senior people of these papers would not stand for it not being covered. they were saying they were being pushed to do it. that's a good thing. the people on top are saying this is important. i don't know any democrats who have defended this meeting,

thinking was a good idea. although brenda lynch has talked about that and said i wished he hadn't gotten on my plane. she didn't want to have a conversation. >> sandra: for not defending it, but they're also not pressing hard into it. >> jessica: at this point, it is still an official doj email. it was completely illegal, it was in an alias. people would email her directly as opposed to going to a general bank, but it is official, it wasn't a hillary clinton private server issue, but the tarmac meeting, it's not good. there's no way we should not ask more questions, but we shouldn't only have our attention on democrats on a failed thing. >> harris: what was your alias question rick did you have one question rick >> sandra: let's leave it there

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are there any russians here tonight, any russians? they can't beat us at the voting booths, so they are trying to cheat you out of the future and the future that you want. they're trying to cheat you out of the leadership you want with a fake story that is demeaning to all of us and most importantly, demeaning to all of our country and demeaning to our constitution. >> harris: members of his team are also speaking out against the russian probe. kellyanne conway and press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. >> if you want to talk further about a relationship with russia, look no further than the clintons. we said time and time again, bill clinton was paid half a million dollars to give a speech to a russian banked. a hillary clinton allowed one fifth of america's uranium to reserve to be sold to a russian

firm and the clinton campaign chairman's brother lobbied against sanctions on russia's largest bank and failed to report it. if you guys want to talk about having relations, which you seem obsessed with doing, look no further than they are. if you want to talk about somebody who's actually been tough on russia, look at president trump. >> harris: all right, drop drop that mic. the president tweets, did you know? here's what he tweeted at one one point. you are witnessing the civil greatest witch hunt in american history. led by some very bad and conflicted people. the >> jason: i think sarah huckabee sanders is a doing a fabulous job and she does make a valid point about the media. i would not advocate "going to war" with an investigator who has authority. if you convince people and literally show the openness and transparency, much the way jared

kushner and donald trump jr. did and say, i've got emails, i won't use a hammer on my stuff, here's exact they would happen. >> harris: it took them a couple times to get on the record. >> jason: look at the conclusion of what they did. i think that openness and transparency, is what america wants to see. i don't think there's been any evidence, i don't think there should be a special counsel, but again, that was a fundamental, huge mistake, but is there. >> harris: do you think there would be less of a favor getting behind the president if there were established republicans who would chime in every now and again? >> elizabeth: you're right. there's there's a group of republicans who seem to be opposed to president trump, but on a visceral level. even if they deny it, the president has said things that cause grudge matches to be sparked. the thing with mr. mueller is,

he can elect go by the attorney general. it's not like there is some congressional statute that says congress can come in and say we want a different special counse counsel. >> jason: i think what senator tillis was trying to do, a is unconstitutional and be, is absolutely wrong. the president is a constitutionally elected office officer. the body is installed in the constitution. congress needs to do its job, not these three anonymous charges. >> sandra: is hard to disagree with the strategy and go on offense, this is war. this administration has been on defense and struggled with that. it's been a difficult position to bn. >> jessica: it has, but they could focus on the agenda.

the american people have made it clear over and over again that they're concerned about health care, the economy, foreign policy. >> sandra: all the media wants to focus on is this. >> jessica: they don't highlight anything but positive stories. i think that going on offense to the level that he has, there are other witch hunts which president trump played a critical role in, but to your point, sarah huckabee sanders is doing a good job with what she is working with. but to take your time up there and to spend it talking about the clintons and hillary clinton who lost this election. i know we joke about it, but we are all well aware that hillary clinton is not the president of the united states. there is a special counsel looking into this because of bipartisan support. this wasn't just democrats, there are republicans, who think

this is important and they take it out of the hands of partisans and taken to someone who is independent. >> harris: i want to bring this full circle, the president and his team should do what next, if you say, congressmen, maybe you don't declare war at this point. if you call it a different name. they have to fight back. >> jason: again, sarah huckabee sanders was responding to questions and other networks seem to be about the only thing they can talk about. it is legitimate to question director mueller's relationship with director comey because they are cozy beyond reason to say that that person can be independent. the second thing they need to look at is all these attorneys that they've hired happen to be democratic donors. it's not just one or two, we are getting near a dozen or something like that.

if you're going to lay down money to donate, do you think you'll get a fair shake from that person? it's not just one or two. >> jessica: we discussed this before, there is an amazing capacity for those in the legal profession to separate their own political allegiances from their job. >> jason: i don't think so. >> jessica: both people on size of the aisle where thrilled with his selection. >> jason: no. then he goes and hires a bunch of people. there have not been donors to the democratic party. >> sandra: new signs of a bipartisan fix maybe in the works for health care. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he would consider working with democrats to continue making those cost-sharing payments to insurance companies. this is democrats and some republicans appear to be rejecting president trump's attempts to label the subsidies at bailouts after the repeal effort failed, present trump tweeted avenue health care bill

will senator susan collins of maine is quoted in the "washington examiner" saying this. "when i hear them described as insurance company bailouts, that is just not an accurate description. the reason we have cautionary is to help low income people who are between 100-200% of the poverty rate who can't afford out-of-pocket costs." >> jessica: i've been agreeing with these people a miraculous amount. "the washington post" looked into this. i think it's important that mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer are talking about bipartisan compromise, i don't know where that ends up and with the possibility for that is, but using this mixed messaging and using terms that are not correct, when you're blasting it out on your twitter account that has tens of millions of

followers. >> harris: i don't care what susan collins says about this article with "the washington post" says about it. it is an insurance bailout. the republicans have been complaining about this being an insurance bailout for years. if there's a $50 billion laying around to ballot the insurance companies, why not give tax credits those consumers to buy their own insurance? this mess is the true cost of a failure of obamacare. you don't get your doctors, your cost is skyrocketing. this is money the insurance industries have been complaining about that they want. it is flat out a bailout. i've been watching this unfold for so long and the free market is no longer in here. if they do not want this, then the democrats who don't like the language that's being used right now, then you don't ram it through on a single party vote with no conference committee to fix your flawed legislation. >> sandra: i don't think they'll have a hard time getting

the congressman to follow that. this before i see middle-class and low income families getting slammed. >> sandra: we've talked about this for years, you've dug into these numbers and the details of all of this for years now. bailout or not? >> jason: it's taking taxpayer dollars out of somebody's wallet and who are they giving it to? the insurance companies. use the word bailout or not. that's exactly what they're actually doing. here's the problem with mitch mcconnell, who i admire the man, i think he's a decent person, but he's coming out in july and going before the american people to lower the blood pressure and say our agenda is so full and there's much we have to do. this was on a tuesday, what we are going to do is a state through the middle of august to get all these recess appointment in health care. on thursday, they were out and are they in session this week?

known. >> sandra: jessica, i hate to tell you, but you are outnumbered on this one. >> harris: the thing i love about the way emac lays things out if she keeps -- we'll talk about you like you're not here. you lay things out that if you put everybody outside of the ring and you just have americans having that dinnertable conversation that sandra mentioned previously, those of the people that we focus on. you can call it whatever you want to call it, but the effect is that it doesn't benefit those people at the table. >> elizabeth: at middle america looks at d.c. and they realize, marijuana is now legal in washington. all these fake words that they're using, what their realities are at the kitchen table. hate to bring legalized marijuana into this. >> sandra: president trump ticking on the mainstream media yet again. the president is launching what he calls a real news program

online, is this the way the president can break through the media bias to get his message out or doesn't amount to a state run propaganda as some critics are claiming? we debate that one for sure, next. >> thank you for joining us we provide the news of the week from trump tower here in new york. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.

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♪ >> sandra: backlash over president trump's the videos are being posted on the president's facebook page. kayleigh mcenany hosting the latest addition, here's part of it. >> overall, since the president took office, president trump has greeted more than 1 million jobs. the unemployment rate is at a 15 year low and consumer confidence is at a 16 year high. all while the dow jones

continues to break records. americans deserve a break and president trump isn't finally putting the brick and mortar first. thank you for joining us, everybody. i'm kayleigh mcenany and that is the real news. >> sandra: jake tapper blasting the venture saying it's nothing more than propaganda, watch. >> empirically, there's nothing journalistic about a political organization that exists to support a politician cheering on the politician. it's not real, is not news, and it's definitely not real news. >> sandra: the former ambassador to russia under president obama also slamming the real newsfeed. michael mike faulk tweeting thi this. one trump supporter saying it's sad, but necessary to have to broadcast the president's achievements that way and that newscasters should do their job. i feel like want to go to you first on this, elizabeth.

>> elizabeth: i'm wondering if they're going to use anonymous sources on this tv venture. i'm kidding. i think they could do without the background music, how do i feel about it? i tend to -- honestly, i think they shouldn't do this. i don't think it will work, i don't like its effective, i agree with jake tapper, i think it's an effective. >> sandra: the argument is that they will not be able to get their message out and that message is the strong economy, the robust stock market. the media just doesn't cover it. is it their own fault to not get the message? >> jessica: it's the fault of president trump to not be able to stay on message. to your point of anonymous sources and leaked documents, unfortunately, we'll see a lot of that happen. the president retweeted that report that nikki haley wouldn't even address on fox news sunday. i think it's scary, you're right about the music.

if you didn't know where it was coming from, you could think it was out of north korea or russi russia. >> sandra: here's a question that was asked of american people, how well are things going in the country today? the poll revealing that 53% say very or fairly well. 45%, pretty badly, very badly. that is a cnn poll. are you getting that sense, is that being conveyed to the mainstream media? >> jason: first, i think the president has a first amendment right, like everybody else to get his word out. i don't know that it falls into the realm of "news." ed may be a perspective, it may be an opinion, it may be a political peace and as long as there's a separation and they're doing that with the proper balance there, i think they'll be fine. i do think the american heartland understands that with the president is doing is

actually benefiting the united states of america on the hole. they get distracted by a lot of the noise, they don't wake up in the morning and say, i wonder what's with russia, they do worry about north korea. they're worried because they've got men, women, friends, neighbors, loved ones who are deployed and it will be engaged at there's a military engagement there. health care, all the things the president campaigned on, illegal immigration, that's what i find people in the heartland talking about. >> sandra: you have a problem with this. harris? >> harris: i understand where he's coming from, i really do. i also understand that mistakes are made. we take it on the chin pretty hard, as well as we should. it's bound to happen, everybody makes mistakes and if that's a real news source for everybody who watches it and then something goes wrong, then they have to -- will they have sources? i know we say that unjust, but what's the process of putting

this together? if this is simply a tweet blown up with really good news in it, which is something this white house and needed to do for so long, is get its message out, its own positive narrative, look at the economy now. look at everything you could be saying. if that's all this is, that's something. but if this will take on news points that you find in other journalism areas like the russia investigation, eventually, it could be problematic. >> jessica: they definitely will get to that. >> sandra: probably the best messenger of the economic agenda is the stock market right now. nine straight records. >> elizabeth: yes, and i think 50 records since election day, right? not to be ignored. >> sandra: everybody said college would be easy until now. one professor thinks students were too stressed out over their grades should be able to choose them themselves. good idea? ♪

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>> sandra: war "outnumbered" just a moment, but first jon scott with what's coming up in the second hour "happening now." >> jon: the pulling on the trump presidency and his twitter

habits. the president turns his focus to the opioid crisis and the growing threat from north korea. plus ari fleischer and jim dement on the trump white house. plus a three years of fighting isis, where we stand, a live update ahead on "happening now"" >> harris: a university of georgia professor and poorly considering a controversial new policy. it's to help students do with their stress, he says. the policy states if students feel threatened over a grade they got, they can email the instructor, indicating what grade they think is appropriate. by the way, all aids for everyone on the couch. if students feel stressed over a greater and , only positive comments about

presentations will be given to students inside the classroom, constructive criticism will be communicated by the professor through email. the editor in chief of campus reform, the group which first reported the story sent earlier today, this. >> college can be stressful and you can get to the situation where you have a poisonous environment, you can people who are on suicide watch because they're so stressed about their grade, but dealing with physical things, dealing with people you dislike, that's something how to put up with in the real world. >> harris: we should know that the professor has said nothing has been finalized for the upcoming semester. the good dr. watson, emac, has single-handedly made a safe space in the classroom. >> elizabeth: what are families paying for? $45,000 a year tuition and board for this? for this school. they're paying that money so you

can self grade? there are no safe spaces in the real world. this is really damaging. it sounds like the professor wants to phone it in. >> harris: to me, congressman, the most troubling part of all of us, especially when you consider what you're paying for is the fact that we are not teaching these kids there is no value of conflict resolution. you can opt out of a group that you can't perform or succeed with. what kind of a job will you have outside your living room? >> jason: every kid gets a trophy and they don't keep score in the soccer game. this is unbelievable. i'm giggling over here just thinking about the absurdity of it. we're not not teaching these young kids that you get what you earn, that you have to work hard and study more and there are consequences if you don't do certain things. you're going to have failure in your life, and your opportunity to live the american dream, all

of that out the door to say, i got an a. and teach them to start lying to themselves. >> sandra: are you at all curious what kind of classroom this would promote and what may be the result of it? would you be willing to hear the results and find out what happens? >> jason: sure. >> sandra: i play devil's advocate a lot on this couch, but the classes, i would probably listen if they had real testing in the class. they were going to have open book and open note tests. they're designed to assess low-level mastery of the course material. >> elizabeth: i think parents should get their money back. >> harris: i agree, if they want to do this in play devil's advocate, then they'll make it free. >> jason: next time you have the university of georgia, somebody who went there and they're going to slicing open on the operating table and they're going to start to work on your

spleen, i want to know if i took that or not. >> jessica: i don't think anyone will go to this. i don't like this at all. i thought it was interesting before i saw will change your grade to whatever you deserve. i think it was interesting to make sure you have more responsive classroom. if i got a test back and i ask we can talk about it, but but that the professor would automatically take my idea, that's an appropriate. besides all the kids who think their amazing soccer players, this plays directly into the 26 election. this is something donald trump capitalized on. before you have to bring politics into it >> jessica: this is about a problem you're having on my set

of the fence here. these are the conversations we are having far too often and were not having conversations we need for elections. >> harris: i guess that you get invited to a zero christmas parties. will be right back.

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