unfortunately, that's all the time we have left this evening. we will keep on the story of north korea. bad options. we will always be fair and balanced. thank you for being with us. we will see you back here tomorroweak night. >> this is a fox news alert. north korea is threatening war with united states tonight.he u the north korean state media is warning it may launch an attack against the u.s. territory of guam. this is just hours after president donald trump promisedd to unleash "fire and fury" against north korea. fox news chief nationall correspondent ed henry is tracking these developments. ed? >> good evening. they said they are examining plans to use medium toood long-range missiles to strike areas around guam. exa it is home to thousands of u.s.i military personnel and theiro families as both sides now brace for the possibility of war. p that threat from the communist nation came just hours after the president reacted strongly to a blockbuster new report from u.s. intel officials revealing

north korea has been able to miniaturize nuclear warheads that can fit inside missiles. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the not united states. they will be met with fire and fury. like the world has never seen.hh he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. n and as i said, they will beor mt with fire, fury, and frankly, power. theh likes of which this world has never seen before. thank you. >> democrat dianne feinstein quickly charged this as bombastic rhetoric from the president that will only further isolate north korea, adding shei wants direct u.s.-north korean talks to do with the situation.e that is not something the administration is talking about right now, laura.tion

>> ed, thanks. >> good evening, everyone, as we continue with "tucker carlson tonight,"ntin iç and laura ingr filling in for tucker today. both beijing and moscow votedco with us at the u.n. last week tv levy more sanctions in response to north korea's nuclear probleo program. that will be enough by itself.ie all the experts tell us is that china is the key to containing kim jong un's regime.lear capable of hitting mainland usa. if they areng m the key partnerk theyey haven't been a cooperatie one. those new sanctions don't affect china's critical shipments of oil to north korea. nor do they punish the chinese banks that still do business there. don't expect much change from the portly 30-somethingn't communist who suffers from a

clear case of missile and fee. china has made billions proppins up two of the most dangerous the regimes in the world, north korea and iran.ran about $3 billion every year in experts to pyongyang, and over 11 years, has done virtually nothing to stop the regime's long and deadly march toward becoming a full-fledged nuclear' power. it is telling that so many of washington's newfound foes seem to have little problem with then communist regime in china.eem russia, not china, my friends, is the real foe, they say. well, let's compare.çis hacking into our government computer system? russia did that, but so did china. just a few years ago, china stole sensitive background check files of 50 million federal employees, which seems a bit s worse than maybe nabbing somerrs embarrassing dnc emails. well, how about human rightsno

abuses? no one knows just how many pri political prisoners they haveave jailed, but recall the horrific case of liu xiaobo, the pulitzer prize-winning activist who recently died languishing inpr chinese detention of cancer.ly d how about territorial ambition? look no further than the island china has built in the south china sea. to stake its claim their oror their expansion into africa. where they just constructed their first overseas militaryrs base in djibouti. or what about the theft of intellectual property, and other trade violation? since joining the wto, china hah flouted every rule that exists, devastating american manufacturing and mildlye distorting the marketplace. so don't you think we shoulding spend less time attacking russia and acting like we are living in the 1985, you know, the film "red dawn," and maybe spend some time thinking about what happened to our own freedom and prosperity if, someday soon,happ china supplants the u.s. as the world's dominant economic and military power.ç

it is time to face the hard facts.wo the only country that can change north korea's behavior is chinaf and until we get more leveragea over china, our ability to change the dynamic withover north korea will be extremely limited.ely patrick granfield is a lecturer at georgetown university and served as a speechwriter tos obama's defense secretary, ash carter, and he joins us now. it is great to see you, big news night here tonight. first, your reaction to the newe today that it looks like we're getting closer to, perhaps, somt type of big confrontation with north korea? >> laura, i think it is helpful to dial down some of theonfr rhetoric and take a couple of>> steps back.s too, i think, we have to givehe credit where credit is due, to a the trump administration, tohink nikki haley, for the sanction package that was passed. it is very hard to get china to be on a side like an issue with north korea, and that should count as a big victory for the

trump administration that thet a most aggressive sanctions tohe date were pass this past weekend. now, you even had rex tillersont saying on monday in manila thate he was willing to have some sort of talks of the north koreans if they would freeze the element of the nuclear program, but today,u only the last couple of hours,ot we have seen sort of the calculus change with thesing president's rhetoric, promisingç fire and fury, saying that notoe even in response to an attackack but in response to north korea's words that would be the response. >> laura: what was accomplished in the last 11 years?acco obviously, you worked for secretary kerry. spent a lot of time on theousl russian issue at the end in north korea. but we have tried a lot, and president obama, i guess, made some efforts to try to help north korea, but much like with president bush and before him,lp president clinton, didn't get very far. a little bit of heavy rhetoric from president trump, i don't see how that changes the calculus, especially coming offc of at least a mild sanctione increase by china.peci

>> you're right, but this doesda go back to 2006 when north korea were nuclear unders president bush, and continue through the obama administration where there were varioust bu attempts to ramp up sanctions. actually, november 30th of 2016 when the obama administration weakened significantly north korean economy by limiting its access to call withbama unanimous consent of the chinesm and russians. >> laura: they kept shipping coal though. what about the mini monologue? my point here is, we spent all this time and energy on russia, the russians are coming. look, i was in the soviet unione in 1983 as a student. those were scary times. we could literally not get democrats, most democrats, to pay attention to the old soviet union. you guys are saber rattlers, noo pay attention to the old big foe of the united states, nw you heard me lay it out, china is stealing our into

intellectual property. it's becoming very militaristic and how they are developing their technology. hav they have the china 2025 program where they seek to dominate almost every major industry. do you disagree that china is a bigger threat to the united states and russia is?e >> we are the united states of america, and we need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. we need to be able to combat nuclear adversaries, high-threa adversaries, whether it is theao chinese or russians at the same time. com >> laura: russia's economy isevr about the size of germany. we have a 2.3-million man army, a standing army, in china. that is real power, and they have a $365 billion trade t deficit, going up this year, by the way. again, going back to john kerry, what do we actually do toy confront this idea that china's growing military and economico power at the same time we were basically flat and china is rising under the eight years ofi obama?

what did obama do about china? >> two things we did with north korea. we took 60% of our highest development, our highest-developed assets and place them in the pacific as part of the rebalanced asia. we also developed capabilitiesç that now the south koreans have. >> laura: we have had a pivot, it was a pivot and then became a rebalance. okay. i love that. >> the language changed. >> laura: you don't disagree tha though that china, from 2009, when president obama was inaugurated, to the last year he was in office, eight years later, china became much more powerful, became a much more powerful economic and military force. you don't disagree with that, do you?at, i will go through the numbers if you disagree with me.th >> i think one of the greateste moves and american diplomacy was richard nixon, a republican president, reaching out, andrica billions of people -- i don't think we should be threatened b that. >> laura: the wto, you think the wto, all these years later, it has been a real positive fory the united states andou

united states workers? >> i think there is a net positive in a china that behavet according to expectations, andat we have to be strong, but we have to be balanced. and >> laura: china just got jacked up in those eight years. i don't understand how you can say, like, from 2009 to 2016, wa didn't see a marked increase in the power and strength of china. now we need china to help us, like, thanks for doing some sanctions.no but they are continuing oil shipments and they're continuinr banking and banks inin t north korea, a huge help to the north korean economy. china could stop this tonight iç it wanted to, yes or no? >> not necessarily. not necessarily.y. i think you are giving china too much credit. the chinese want to hear this, they want to know that they are the end all and be all. can't have too much credence by thinking they can completely do this.have >> laura: if it weren't for china, they would have any

lights on. >> when we got tough on theor chinese, and i think trump waslh right in doing so, the russian stepped in and helped north koreans with oil.mp w i think that just goes to show. >> laura: you are going to end the segment by saying russia is a bigger threat than china?th >> i think we need to be stronge with china and russia. >> laura: what about a world? where china is a dominant military power, how does thatra: change the freedom calculus in this country?ow we should think about what that world would look like, spend more time thinking about it. patrick, great to have your own. i appreciate it. this story has dominated the gre news today, and earlier, u.n. ambassador nikki haley touted what she said is china's tougher approach toward north korea's rogue regime. >> china came out and said to the international community, "we're going to follow through and we want everyone else to do it."e t it is a new tone coming from china. i think that, with china, we basically said, enough talk, we are done, and you have the ability control 90% of their trade, and you can't make excuses anymore.

to their credit, they start up,t we did some heavy negotiations, wèuu$em there. >> laura: we have a fellow at the hoover institution joining us now. vdh, great to see you. i usually talk to you on the radio. how are you doing? >> very good, thank you for having me, laura. i >> laura: this issue is one of my favorite issues.here here we are, perhaps on the verge of war with north korea, the one country that could really, in a matter of maybe ae day or two, change the calculus, and they went a little bit farther. but are you persuaded by nikki haley's triumphant "they changed the tone" comment? >> i'm happy they had some u.n. sanctions, only because it drives a wedge, a little wedge, at least, between china, russia, north korea. the propaganda minister called them riffraff today. but ultimately, china is thenda only country, as you said, that can pressure north korea, and we're the only country that can

pressure china. if it is intolerable to threaten seoul with a preemptive striken. and it's intolerable to let them have missiles that could take out facebook, apple, google in minutes, then we have to find a new strategy to escalatehave gradually up into in between to those poles. i don't see why chinese, and the elites in china, why they stilll get to buy property in the united states, why they stillç, send kids to caltech and stanford, why we don't have a missile defense system thatids includes taiwan, japan, south korea, australia, the philiin it not only deters north koreato but a first-strike ability of china. that would get their attention. >> laura: yeah, yeah. yeah. go ahead. >> china is not in such a great position. they have four nuclear powers on their border. india, pakistan, north korea.

they are not always predictable. do they really want another toi go with japan and south korea? we have to introduce that. i don't think china would like south korea talking way north korea does about that -- >> laura: what would china do, victor, if the shoe were on the other foot and it was a south korea leader who was threatening with the same table for us what north korea is doing? do you think they would -- yeah. >> no, they would put up with that. we know they would do. they are in dispute right nowh. and they are talking as north korea does.e they are furious. in the himalayas with india. and we have to get their attention. it is also a reminder, by the way, that deterrence is very hard to achieve and it is squandered very easily. the last eight years when we had redlines and step-over lines and deadlines that didn't mean anything and withdrawing from iraq precipitously, letting thed spartly islands mess take hold,i people got the wrong pression are lita weak, and wars are sometimes started by weak powers that are

miscalculated.ne t that's what north korea is doing. we don't need a president anymore in a conversation dside talking about being flexible on missile defense, even in a different context. we have got to restore deterrence.ave i do think we are very lucky in one sense that, with all theede controversy over our generals, that mcmaster and mattis and kelly, nobody knows more about global commerce than tillerson. we have guys like pompeo. we have very good guys, and i think something short of the less idea that you can live with the west coast in the range of nuclear missile.ith >> laura: is the guam thing real, victor? is >> i don't know. we don't know. but i know one thing, as we areo working this thing out, iran is watching this, and it is a laboratory of their own thi trajectory. they are thinking, what is going to work with north korea it wilc work with us. so if we don't find a solution, short of war, then we're goingh to be helpless with iran.

i think there are these increasing steps that we can make it painful for china.sing you've got to get rid of the idea, laura, that it is not. their self interest. this is a diabolical move tothis bifurcate the united states and south korea. because suddenly, for the first time in 70 years, we are sayingç to south korea, you may want to pursue a sunshine policy or are whatever it is., y but we have different interests now, it's called the west coasti it's not just seoul anymore. we need to do something like that and bifurcate north korea. >> laura: it would be nice if we actually had a bipartisanorea consensus that china represents a bigger threat to the united states, national security threat, then russia. t that would be nice if peoplees, contemplated that for a moment.e >> i think you are exactly right about russia, because we lost an opportunity. y nixon and kissinger triangulated, it's not that we can chew gum, at the same timegr

and have two adversaries, we don't want adversaries.have >> laura: why not drive a wedge between the two of them? thank you so much. up next, we're going to talk to one of president trump's closest advisors. stephen miller will be there. plus, director spike lee is trying to pressure the nfl intop signing colin kaepernick back. what is his plan to do that?e we'll tell you up ahead.fl i ♪ ♪

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in the trump administration andm last week, senior policy advisor stephen miller took the podium at the white house press briefing room where he aggressively defended the administration's immigration plan against jim acosta's efforts to cite aand 130-year-od poem >> are we going to bring in people from great britain andsh australia?eals as constitutional law. >> i am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from great britainh and australia would knowtain english.is it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree that e in your mind -- no, this is an amazing moment, this is an amazing moment that you think only people from great britainrm or australia would speak english is so insulting to millions of hardworking immigrants who dopek speak english from all over the world -- jim, have you honestly never met an immigrant fromç another country who speak

english outside of great britain and australia?gine is that your personal e experience?ry - >> of course there are people -- >> but that's not what you saidh and it shows your cosmopolitan, bias. >> you are trying to engineer people into this country -- >> this is one of the mostra: outrageous, ignorant, and insulting things you have said, and for you, that is still a really -- the notion that youwe think that this is a racist bill is so wrong and so insulting. >> laura: stephen miller joins p us for his first post-acosta takedown interview. how are you, stephen?ro we were in our studio howling watching this, my producers and i, it was funny. have you heard from acosta since that exchange? fm texts, instagram, anything?nge? >> i haven't, no. >> laura: are you going to be coming regularly to the briefing room?am, we enjoyed that. >> i don't know. right now i'm focused on trying to get more support, as much as we can come up for the raise act and the other initiatives. >> laura: explain the

raise act, that would cuter t immigration over time, which is very high. 1 million people that come with green cards can stay here, bring family members in, but even republicans like paul ryan -- i should say even republicans, ofr course republicans like rub paul ryan are against the raise act, marco rubio today said that there is some merit in the raise act, but it ain't raii going to pass the sentence. t you have resistance in the s republican party to the raise act.bl how do you overcome it? >> well, it is an american issue.l, bottom line is, american suppor. it, independent support it, republican voters support it. eventually, if it has support, it is only a question of when is happens. as you know better than anyone,t laura, we had met about 300,000 people a year in the '70s, but half million a year in the '80s, what happening now is not the norm, it is actually unusual we are living in right now.ng n >> laura: the polling on thisth is so devastating for the other side. it is crazy. i think it was a gallup poll from a year or so ago. it is almost like those numbersi don't matter. as always emotions, the statueaa

of liberty and so forth. meanwhile, other polls are being floated by the media today, the cnn poll, will put it up on ther screen, certain qualities, p please state whether you think c please state whether you think each one applies or doesn't apply to donald trump. "honest and trustworthy," does not apply, you see the numbers. these polls are put out there for what reason, do you think?co hone i thought to myself, well, those are the samples that had hillary winning significantly. >> the media has got the president wrong since day one. and he's been right, they have been wrong, but there is no no doubt, there are segments of the extreme media, and i wouldn't call it mainstream, it isç extreme to want to have unlimited cheap migration. these are extreme positions. the extreme media is going to do whatever they can to tear downia this president, but as long as the people stand for what they

want and what they believe, we a are going to keep winning.y >> laura: the populistliev movement, which, of course, donald trump is really the>> l leader of it is, i think, taking hold in communities across thely country in different ways. i don't think these polls i necessarily reflect that.co how do you guys grow the economic nationalist movement, conservative movement, into areas that are traditionally now really hospitable to republicano ideas? how do you guys plan to do that? >> you saw during the campaign,h the president made serious inroads with african-american folk.g >> laura: are you going toign, keep doing that?f it was visually good. it was kind of reassuring to people. republicans, are not going to go to california, we're not going to go to new england.nia, a lot of people call into my to shoes and say, we want them totf go everywhere, get on the road? is that going to happen? >> you're right, he is the leader of the populist movements swept the entire world.opul and what is that about? it's about a trade policy that s creates more manufacturing

positions for our work is in detroit, baltimore, all over the country, about an immigration policy that uplifts hispanic workers and african-american workers into the middle class.rr it is about public safety,ç int criminal enforcement, getting rid of gangs and cartels and a drug dealers.bo these are policies that are s going to help minority workers and traditional democratic constituency, and we are going to keep making inroads. >> laura: so will he take that message which, i think the way you laid it out was very: s powerful.whic it doesn't matter about party lines. v it is a powerful mention for advancement, economic renewal and, frankly, hope. i get the sense that people just want to have a happy warrior donald trump. and we have a serious situation with north korea. they know the tougherio donald trump, but the happy warrior, he can do that.are a twinkle in his eye. he can turn on the charm. are we going to see him in those situations? >> president trump is the most gifted politician of our time,de and the best to hold thatntd t position in generations. we're going to take that message

to the people.po as you said, he is the leader of this nationwide and worldwidekem populist movement. it is about uplifting working class people, black, hispanic, white. >> laura: but they don't want to hear that.are ublit there are certain republicans wn that don't want that toat resonate. >> working class, not theot investor message. >> laura: great to see you, stephen. a very interesting and fun briefing room. and a biological male has become one of america's best female cyclists thanks to a miracle sex change surgery. up next, we're going to talk to an endocrinologist about whether letting men compete in women'sue sports makes any sense at all. pill works fast? take the zantac it challenge! zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than nexium or your money back. take the zantac it challenge. but can also loweresterol, your body's natural coq10. qunol helps restore this heart-healthy nutrient with 3x better absorption.

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people who are born biologically as men at some point in time decide they are transgender persons. they become women and surgery, hormones, and so forth, and then they compete. what is wrong with that? if that is how they feel they are fulfilling their destiny, what is the big deal? >> well, it is really important to know that while hormones play certainly a role in athletic performance, by giving a male estrogen and suppressing their normal testosterone, there are many aspects of fundamental biology that don't change, and that includes the imprinting that occurs at the genetic level on every cell and tissue in the body, and many of these changes are not accounted for by the hormones alone. and it is really unknown since this is -- as you said, it has come so rapidly. the study of individuals that have had artificial manipulation of their hormone levels and how that long-term influences their performance and athletics and other areas is really largely unknown.

>> laura: what is happening as far as all the centers that have popped up, these transgender centers or gender dysphoria treatment centers, where this really wasn't something that was devoted so much time and resources to. but i was reading something, and there is one clinic in the u.k. that had 94 cases where patientç came in and said they were gender confused back in 2009, and in 2016, 1986 people came in. so the cynic says this is big business, and the idealistic or, you know, person who is more into this whole thing says, well, this is people being freer to express themselves. that is a big jump from just 2009, doctor. >> it is, the claim is that many individuals that had not sought treatment are now coming forward for treatment. there is many aspect of the statistics that have not been studied in a rigorous scientific manner, and there is a concern that many, especially in the area of children, many children that would normally have realigned their identity in

agreement with their biological sex are moving forward to hormonal treatment. >> laura: you are saying they are being affirmed in the counseling sessions or the doctor's office or somewhere, they are being affirmed in their view that they are not really their biological gender. and it can happen as young, as i have seen, and i know you've written about ages four, five, six. these are little kids who, you know, you don't let him walk across the street without holding their hand, but they are making some pretty big decisions. >> that is correct. i think the social affirmation component of that, and also putting forth the opportunityç for this hormonal treatment progressing on often to surgery, is often influencing the trajectory that these children normally would have. it is something that needs to be investigated. >> laura: can i ask you a real quick question? we are almost out of time. if people are born men and then get this treatment to become, in

their view, women, and then compete, they measure their estrogen levels. so it is no longer required by the ioc, the olympic committee, that you get sex reassignment surgery, you just have to have a certain estrogen level for a year. does that make sense to you medically? >> i believe it is actually their testosterone level. >> laura: i'm sorry, the testosterone level, yes. >> what is concerning their about that philosophy, the hormone levels do play an influence, but really, there are many other components of being a man or woman, and so if you take a male and you suppress their testosterone and get them estrogen, they really, from a biological standpoint, are still -- they are feminized males, really. >> laura: and the concern doesn't go the other way. women competing in men's sports, not many rules on that. dr. hruz, thank you. colin kaepernick can't get a team to sign him.

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time to actually be there, but he was the first person to tweet this out. was look, this is moving into a land and area that i don't think we have ever seen in sports, this a invasion of progressive ideology and the progressive movement in the national football league and sports. this, to me, is starting to smell like a shakedown of theths nfl and nfl ownership.sm colin kaepernick, the false narrative that he is out of the league because all the racism, all of the owners are racist, a and he is being blackballed. listen, this is simply a case o, a guy who is not good enough. his talents aren't good enough to justify all the attention anç noise and controversy that comes along with him. tim tebow ran into this exact issue, and now it is colin kaepernick, who i am now analogizing, this false

narrative that we have here, oh, the racist -- >> laura: jason, what isn't racist today? when they start saying that alan dershowitz is racist, which now maxine waters has said because he made a comment about a d.c.ro grand jury which is a factual comment, so alan dershowitz, vaunted liberal, is now a jur racist. anyone who thinks colin kaepernick doesn't have a good enough game is a racist.. can you guys zero in on my alabama, my little card thing. i am a college football fan more so now than an nfl fan, because there is still -- you have prayer, you still fly the flag,y they don't tolerate this political stuff in the college sports. people are tired of it. >> i don't think the nfl wants this. they just want to play football. this is dangerous, in my opinion. football has been incrediblythis good for african-american men.

>> laura: you bet. >> it has created more milliooqires than any other industry forustr african-americ. the nfl is 70% african-american players.s. >> laura: we've got to go. >> listen, they're trying to turn this into hollywood and the movie industry where black people don't get employed aty're this rate, don't become millionaires. >> laura: it is a resistant field, and the nfl is going to hurt itself.come i appreciate it, jason. i thanks so much.ista babies are cute.ppre up next, tucker will be back ton interview a documentary director who thinks the best we can help the environment is just by not having any kids.ary ♪

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>> laura: another leak from the trumpatio administration.d a group of government climate scientists have leaked a draft report on climate change to "the new york times." theyey are claiming they feared suppression by the trump administration. of course, there is no suchs evidence of suppression, and thi leaked draft was almost identical to an earlier draft that had been public for months. and meanwhile, a new study has an odd suggestion for reducing climate change. tucker recently spoke to a documentary filmmaker about it. >> tucker: scientists have a net plan for how you can save the climate -- don't have children.e just stop right now. don't even think about it. a new study from lund university in sweden says the single best f way to cut your carbon footprint, assuming you want tos is simply to refuse to reproduce. deleting some humans from existence, as they say, savesço far more carbon than, i don't know, being vegetarian, not boarding an airplane. riding a bike to work. josh fox is the director of the

anti-fracking documentary "gasland" and "awake." he is an environmental activist, and he joins us tonight. g t josh, thanks for coming on. >> it is good to be here, tucker. i >> tucker: so not having children, that is the message. >> i think that is a bit of a misrepresentation. i think the study was saying that governments are saying we should recycle, we should change our light bulbs, we should do all sort of these consumer habits, and this study wasshou comparing those sort of veryort minimal efforts to curtail stu climate change with other thingr like not flying, being a vegetarian, not having a car, and, yes, having fewer children. having fewer children, having family planning, which means you have your children maybe later in life, would be something thaa would reduce carbon emissions. that's what the study said. >> tucker: if you follow this to its logical conclusion and is you wind up telling africa notnd to have so many kids because aln of the countries of the highest

birth rates are in africa -- mali, burkina faso --rica are you willing to say to africa, here, you have too many kids, too many african kids. >> no, that is a very illogicalt conclusion. causing more -- african children are causing very few carbon emissions.uc what are causing carbonke emissions are the countries of the first world, the rich countries of the west, china,bon india, europe. those of the countries that havt which are causing the climate change problem. but i would agree with you. the problem with saying like this is your individual i responsibility, you musts stop driving and have fewer kids, you must change your light bulbs is crazy. there's no individual solution for climate change, right?ther there are ways we can be more responsible citizens,sp absolutely, buton what i would suggest i is that that is likegn running into a burning inferno

of a building with a thimble of water in saying whoo, i didere something. there is a con afoot that individuals have to take on this responsibility when, in fact, it is governments and major in corporations that are responsible for climate change.n it has been very clear, 100 companies are responsible forlia 71% of climate change emissions. it is those companies which should stop reproducing, not children. so i agree with the basic whi premise -- >> tucker: a very quick thing. so the only country to take thie policy and enact it on a large scale is china, which limited reproduction to one child per family for decades.ç. that is also the biggestt polluter in the world. >> they didn't do that because of climate change. do you understand the science on climate change? >> tucker: that you ought to have fewer kids? >> no, no, no.>> do you understand the science of climate change? tucker, science controls -- science dictates everything we do in our society.

science means that climate change is real. that fracking pollutes groundwater. that this television works, that cars work. frar. it presumably says that underneath your hair there is aa brain behind those eyes. of course, i haven't seen it. science wouldn't tell us there is a bunch of hamsters up there. or a patch of straw. what i am saying to you, tucker, to make this argument about what the scientists are doing -- >> tucker: hilarious. we'll get back to that in one second. >> asked you a question and you haven't answered it. >> tucker: do i understand science? >> do you understand what the. science is telling us? w about climateha change? i find it remarkable. u i talk to millenials about this question and say, do you have an opinion about whether or not yos should have children respective to climate change, and almost everyone of them said, yes, i worry about this enormously. i worry about the future that my children will have. >> tucker: one second, you're

not winning me over. just hold on.ç >> people care about the future of their children. they really do, tucker. >> tucker: everybody cares about the future for their children.ker: >> would you deny that our society is medicine is based on science. based on science? media is based on science. all of the things that we have to see about what science is telling us is that climates change is going to create a situation which is very, veryret dangerous and difficult for civilizations to endure. climate change will raise sea levels to the point to which it is swamped. >> tucker: can i ask you a question, or are you going to continue with this stuff? let me ask you a simple>> question. >> you still haven't answered my question.e do you understand? >> tucker: i'm not a scientist, no, i don't fully understand it. >> so do you understand -- >> tucker: i don't think anybody fully does.'t t >> do you understand how dire it is -- >> tucker: too obnoxious to talk to unless you answer ones

simple question.--ker: >> go ahead, say what you're saying. >> tucker: when you say that climate change is destroying the world and it is the thing we should worry about most, and then you say simultaneously, it's not really dependent upon our individual choices, aren't you giving a pass to some of the big individual polluters?you if i say really care about climate change and i fly around -- >> it is group actions. millennials, who are by andç large the people of childbearing age now -- now you're not w letting me talk, so i'm just going to talk. millennials, who are ofting childbearing age now, number one issue is climate change, because they know they're going to n inherit an incredibly unstable i world. the united nations predicts --is >> tucker: yeah, whatever. i'm going to bring this to a. close. b i like to have a conversation with you, but you but you are every hollywood profound dopey, guy invoking science.ey to get self-righteous. >> tucker, i'm trying to answer:

your question. i want to be civil with you. >> tucker: i'm being civil.. i'm just too frustrated. >> no, no, no. >> tucker: thank you very much for joining. [laughs] what is that? >> laura: up next, remembering glen campbell. >> ♪ like a rhinestone cowboy ♪ riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo ♪ l esurance does insurance a smarter way. which saves money. they offer paperless billing and automatic payments. which saves paper. which saves money. they offer home and auto coverage, so you can bundle your policies. which saves hassle. which saves money. and they offer a single deductible. which means you only pay once when something like this happens. which saves money. esurance was born online and built to save. and when they save, you save. that's home and auto insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call.

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he also played for sinatra. he could play any style of musiç and he did. we will close it out with a tune from his last album, "adios." ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino. here with kimberly guilfoyle, jesse watters, richard fowler, and greg gutfeld. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." as north korea is becoming a full nuclear power, they may have crossed a key threshold. something the world has beenll fearing for years. the north has successfullyside developed many nuclear warheads. that can fit inside missiles capable of reaching the united states. president trump delivered one of the toughest responses we have heard so far. >> north korea best not make ano more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury. like the world has never seen.