you never miss an episode. we always promised to be fair and balanced. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ >> brian: good evening, everybody cover welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." i am not tucker carlson, i am brian kilmeade. it is my privilege to fill in for tucker, who claims to be on vacation with his family. we need to see photos. meanwhile, america's most distant possession is under threat. north korea warned that ed is attacks potentially on guam. is this a real threat? the story just moved a short time ago and here it is. north korea's state run media, like north korea'sun government, saidid north korea is ready to attack guam by mid-august. the initial threats came shortly

president trump warned that any aggression from the north korean dictator, kim jong un, would be met with annihilating force. >> north korea best not to make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury. like the world is never seen. he has been very threatening, beyond a normal state. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. thank you. >> brian: secretary of state rex tillerson said the president's words should make americans feel more secure. >> i think with the president was reaffirming was, the united states has the capabilim any attack and defend our allies and we will do so. that is how the american people should sleep well at night. >> brian: that is a secretary

of state. now, someone of the line of fire, the governor of guam. he is also been encouraging his island citizens to remain calm. that was prior to that latest state-run newspaper, the state run news service report. governor baza calvo, thank you for joining us. i see by your preinterview remarks, you y are saying, stay calm, don't overreact to this, do you still feel the same way after the aggressive comments that just came out other state run media? >> good morning from guam and good evening to you folks on the east coast. obviously, for our administration, and the people ofre guam, there is concern and worry. there is no panic. you can recall, going back to 2013, this is about the third, fourth threats made by north korea, specifically to guam, as well as other facilities or bases in asia, as well as the states, hawaii and the west coast.

we are -- we have 160,000 american citizens on assignment, 50,000 american citizens in the northern marianas, and any given day, we have ten, 15,000 tourists enjoying our shores and we encourage everyone to go through their lives and deliver them like you would do any other day. at the same time, we have both our civil government, working in collaboration with the military regional command here. that is prepared for any type of contingency. >> brian: this bellicose -- >> this is no different than what he has been doing it in 2013. at the same time, we are concerned that it does not ramp up. most of our concern and guam is

that decisions are not made that would cause some sort of a conflict over here. i go back to a certain senator adr two ago that made mention, let's haveen a conflict, encouraging the administration to go to r. --dash go to war. they would rather have it over there that in the homeland. i think it's important for me as the elected governor of guam -- >> brian: i understand there is a little bit of a delay, but you are talking about senator lindsey graham, saying it's about time for the failed administration to try, they had raided north korea, it's time to let them know there is going to be some retribution for their statements and the nuclear program. they have just comera out and sd the president's remarks yesterday are a load of nonsense and they promised by mid-august, which is about a week away, to hit four missiles by your island. do you think of the president's remarks are getting to the heart of the problem?

no longer strategic patience. does that play to solving the problem in the big picture? >> as far as i'm concerned, is an american citizen, i want a president that says that if any nation such as north korea attacks guam, attacks honolulu, attacks the west coast, they will be b met with hell and fur. what i am concerned about is if a u.s. senator says, initiate an attack and cause an alarm, and remembering that there in the mariana islands, this is american sovereign soil.he 600-mile archipelago islands, similar to hawaii, there are over 200,000 american citizens. it's important that as we make decisions, that those folks in a position of leadership understand that war is the last last -- because not only will tens of thousands military forces be affected by a regional

war, but because the western pacific has american soil and ice,e, then a couple hundred thousand americans could get c caught in the cross hairs. i think it is important to be very strong. at the same time, be calm. i have had enough briefings with the military that there is a multilayered defense of starting from korea and japan, as well as in the western pacific, as well as in the terrestrial assets and guam with the thaad missile defense system that american communities such asth guam and other american communities will be protected. >> brian: no doubt about it. you know the outcome of the secretary of state was just fair. thaad missile system, 6,000 troops, they think they will hit you first. this is one of the places in that regionhe where we don't ned permission from another country to act because guam as part of us. governor, i appreciate getting a very -- getting up very early for us and letting us know what it's like legitimately in the

line of fire. >> everything's okay here. >> brian: you got it. i'llll use my points and will be able to go there. meanwhile, let's move ahead with the story and get some perspective. a gillian turner is a former employee of the national security council. good to seest you. we also have an expert on north korea who what a great biography on korean dictator kim jong il. he really understands the family. gillian, i'd like to start with michael. you do not believe that if kim jong un has one child, it will be at guam. >> of course not. if you are going to go to prison, you'll take a shot, you punch the guy in the face. when the japanese attacked pearl harbor, there was a fleet there. they know the retaliation number regardless of who the president was, even if it was president obama. it would have been swift and brutal. the good thing about what president trump is a saying, hes speaking their language. when you are engaged with negotiations and someone is being bellicose and hostile, you want to comeil at them with the

same volume or higher so they realize that this guy isn't falling down with the bluster. if you go back to the '90s, kim jong il boasted that they -- if they attack, we'll destroy the world. another deep breath.br during the cold war, there were hundreds, if not thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at us from the soviet union and we lived under that fraud for decades. you see all of these people desperately eager for war, and let's take a deep breath and calm down before we go down the last resort. >> brian: we switched to gillian, the longer we wait, the more dangerous they are. they are in a rapid course to increase their strength and send up their nuclear technology. sadly, over to iran. gillian, in terms of where we are out, we are in uncharted waters, wouldn't you say? >> we are. at the same time, brian, secretary mattis and tillerson both said things that hit the nail on the head. mattis said that american -- the

north koreans know that the united states would quickly overwhelm the north koreans in any kind of arms race, any kind of ground conflict, that they could provoke. secretary tillerson said americans should sleep well in their beds tonight, as michael just pointed out. those are the guidelines here. those of the ground rules, that is the ground troops. i think that is what we need to bank on. >> brian: michael, everyone has their achilles' heel. you have done extensive work on the family, from a grandfather to the father and now, the sun, arguably the most lethal. what is their achilles heel? we know for the it was this bank where he got the bulk of his money that fed his troops. where is it here? >> the achilles' heel would be, what would be the plan b if he was taken out of power? if there is some kind of soft landing that china can guides us through and allow people at the top, if not him, to maintain some semblance of power, that might be had. however, when these people go down andeo lose their hold on power, they are personally killed.

kim jong un promised to stay the course far more than his elder brother, that is why the elder brother was passed over. he a is locked into a corner himself and if he is going to back down, that will cause him -- that is another problem for him on a personal level. >> brian: gillian, this guy has not been invited to china. china is keeping him at an arms length. they don't know how to figure him out. today, they are supposed to be anti-u.s. demonstrations, which believe it or not, i pretty much demanded, not natural or instinctive or knee-jerk. that demonstration is meant to say, "watch us." >> it certainly not organic, as you mentioned. as planned, it is ordered by the government. quick note on the north korean family, one thing here that i think it's important and fair pointing out, that president trump hasof this core, guiding belief, i would say,

that intimidation must be met head on with intimidation. this is a relatively new tact for the united states to take. our postures and since the end of the korean war has been diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, maintain a credible threat of military force but diplomacy all costs. be reserved, measured. president trump is trying somethingg new. i think before everybody decides it's going to lead to a nuclearr holocaust and be catastrophic, maybe people should take a break and see if this approach may be gives us a little bit further than we have been. >> brian:th gillian, you have served in both administrations. i'm amazed at the limited gravitas this presidency gets. in the matter of moments, we had every democratic leader and senator john mccain condemning the president's remarks.he do they remember when ronald reagan, who i believe was successful, after all they named an airport after him, he said this about omar qaddafi. he is not only a barbarian but he's flaky. he also nicknamed the mad dog of

the middle east. i'm pretty sure he's one of the most respected presidents. michael, are you surprised? do you think it gives the north korean leader a sense of the wind at his back when he sees that other lawmakers don't have the presidents back? >> the north koreans have the advantage of not having to listen to chuck schumer run his mouth. when he says things like trump's reckless rhetoric isn't helping, welcome a nonreckless rhetoric is what got us here. i want to make this point. the reason that george w. bush george w. bush -- there weree times when we were aggressive. certainly, this is speaking their language. it's kind of like a prisoner's dilemma. both sides come up and they are speaking the same language, that is how you get results. >> brian: there is a report, not only can they nuclear rise and he had to go on an icbm, but president obama knew about it as early as 2013. michael malice, gillian turner, great conversation, thank you so much. let's change gears.

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emails published by "the new york post" with details. some of his temper tantrums against his own staff. in one ofil these emails, de blasio lambasted communication aids because they didn'tau use phonetic spellings for hard words he found difficult to pronounce. dodo what i do, just prints pronounce them. another diatribe, the mayor writes, "what we need to get you guys of all the direct order? do you need to experience consequences? "in a follow-up email, he says, guys, i am fed up. he blames his staff for his verbal scuffles and says, "between all of you, you haven't fixed the problem, which is bluntly unprofessional." he is condescending and arrogant. you think so? the emails were an accurate portrayal of how he treats his staff. the embarrassing emails are different from how he presents himself. take a look at this. >> i also think there is a place for a thing we call good morale.

where you are honored, you're respected, your work is put on the pedal stole it should be put on and you are told every day by a mayor and a chancellor, we need you, we appreciate you, we thank you. >> brian: based on a true story but pure fiction. emails likely have no effect on de blasio, who seems immune from embarrassment. in his first term as mayor, de blasio faced corruption charges and probes, being caught given preferential treatment to his donors and used taxpayer money to pay for his lawyers and european trips. he uses a police helicopter to avoid rush-hour traffic and when he visits the subway, he had police clear out all the homeless first. he routinely spends most of the date napping and is famously late for everything. he wants mrs. ceremony honoring the victims of a plane crash because he had a very rough night and woke up sluggish.h he even killed a groundhog by dropping it on on groundhog day and then try to cover it up in a photo op. i guess he stopped at.

last month, he skipped the funeral of a slain officer because he wanted to join a left-wing anti-trump protester in germany. remember that?t? a trip financed by $0.50 come of course, despite all of that, de blasio will likely -- and i hate to say this -- cruised to reelection this fall. that is sad. michael faulkner is a candidate for the new york city comptroller he joined us right now. why don't you run for mayor first?un >> brian, i tried that, and we couldn't get the kind of traction that we would be getting now. here's the thing. they are two people in that position, the comptroller and the mayor and the mayor needs to go, but the comptroller needs to control the mayor if the mayor doesn't go. >> brian: it's amazing. that's true. you will play a big role and of course, your sports background, you work with kids, makes a perfect politician, because you care more about the people then having success in getting rich. in de blasio's case, he's doing every thing to blow it. the word today is that he gets into work at 10:00 after working out, is so tired that he sleeps

on his couch with a newspaper on his head to block out the overhead lights. he demands people quiet down. it's's unbelievable. >> then, he berates his death because he is a micromanager that can't micromanage because he's not there to micromanage. he doesn't show up to do his job and he berates his staff for not doing their job. >> brian: what i don't understand is, you had mayor bloomberg win is a republican, even thoughli he was a moderate, and no one could question his work ethic. and his views. by h the way, he wrote a lot of checks for people andck no one knows it. man, rudy giuliani transformed the city twice as a republican. why don't republicans have any traction? >> he was having staff meetings at 7:00 his first year out. thenen he give them a break. he started having them at 8:00, every morning. rudy giuliani. it's not about republicans or democrats. it's about connecting the people, connecting with the voters. i'mi' connecting with the voters right now, the people are believing in me, i'm spending a

lot of time in public housing. they are fed up with de blasio, they are fed up with a stringer, they are fed up with the rhetoric for the progressive rhetoric, basically, they want jobs and equal opportunity. that is what we're talking about. those the conversations we are having. >> brian: michael, i have a unique perspective because i've lived in long island and i went to school there, so every two or three months i have a reason to go there, for the last 20 years, i do it everyday. i watch this if you transform. they said wasle impossible. i watch crime dissipate. i watched the group free to go on 42nd street. i am seeing it go the other way, where is the outrage? >> the outrage should be from the people who are protesting the election of the president, they should be protesting now the existence of bill de blasio. they should bebe protesting whee the city is going. the weight you can protest is in november. we can vote the bums out, we can drain the swamp, we truly have an electorate, and we have some opportunities to truly elect people who are going to represent the people. >> brian: the democratic governor can't stand the

democratic mayor. they hate each other. the needle each other and work against each other. what does it say about new york that they are not demanding mor more? >> the fact is that 46% of people say that he deserves another focal years and 46% to say he doesn't. that should be a black and white issue. >> one of the statistics about new york is that we have become the most corrupt state in the union in terms of elected officials that go to jail or that are under investigationon r crimes or mismanagement. that is unfortunate. it creates a distrust in the mind of the electorate. people don't trust the politicians. they won't vote for them. they disengage. >> brian: i want to get your perspective with call and neck.. you know that he does not have a job, he, he evidently turned out a 900,000 job because it was insulting. by the way, you know have spike lee saying, i am organizing a protest. no one goes to a football game or buys football paraphernalia

until he gets a job. 140,000 people are signing onto that petition. what is your reaction? >> listen. first of all, football is a business. they are an employer. the employee kaepernick. i am proud of him for expressing his political views. he has a right, as an american, to express his political views. those employers have a right to fire him. or not to hire him. he is a highly paid employee of a and organization and has the right to say the kind of employee that he wants. expressing their right, he is expressing his. he's a real martyr, he is suffering the consequences for his political opinion, take it like a man. >> brian: michael, great to see you. congratulations on your success and i hope you have success in the fall. >> thank you. >> brian: coming up straight ahead, bill nye the science guy is not a scientist. he said the planet won't be safe until old people with the wrong ideas die off. up next, tucker will be back to talk to a progressive journalist who says that he has the right

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environment, waiting for old people who disagree with his views to die. get out of the way. this is the founding editor of "climate progress, owned by the center for american progress. he says that nye might be onto something. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> brian: there are lots of disagreements in science. this seems like a pretty nasty way to frame it. people who disagree with me should die? >> ill think that is not exactly what he said. he just said that climate change deniers tend to be older and is generational and in science, it's not unusual for scientists to point out that it is the older generation of scientists who are sort of stuck in a paradigm that are not going to change their views. >> tucker: what is unusual for a scientist to use loaded political language, like denier, to frame the conversation in the way that pushes their views without having to prove their views are white right. that is not a scientific way, likeningng someone to a holocaut

denier? >> i i don't think that's what he's doing. >> tucker: it's designed to delegitimize people who disagree with you. anda real science, you are presented in an open form and made the best data win. >> we have been doing that for 25 years. united nations, all of the countries in the world asked all the leading scientists to review the science, every five years, we put out a report. that report, by the way, was reviewed line by line by every world government. this is kind of the least common denominator. >> tucker: that's not true. there are many questions up in the air. like what causes global warming? >> that's not a question anymore. >> tucker: most people may agree with one interpretation but i am not contesting it. i'm just saying that's one of many. is it real? how profound is that? what causes it? can you reverse it? it is presumably valid to have a place on a spectrum on any of those questions without being a

denier, immoral, stupid, deserving ofng death. it's not all or nothing for nothing. >> can i ask you a question, you don't bring on the air people thatat say, cigarette smoking isn't harmful. >> tucker: that's not equivalent. it's actually not. there is an open debate about how exactly we can reverse this. we can at all. there is not -- >> there's not an open debate. >> tucker: 97% consensus that this is the only way -- for example, the paris accord is the only way to reverse global warming. that's just not true. theree are all kinds of opinion. it's a political question -- >> now you are mixing up. >> tucker:ol eat no, you are doing so. >> 97% of scientists agree thatb humans, through the burning of fossil fuels, cutting down trees, are the primary cause of global warming. >> tucker: okay.al my point is only -- and i'm not contesting that -- >> so you accept that? >> tucker: i'm not contesting

that for the purposes of this conversation. i'm merely saying -- walk, here's what i can test. i contest the idea that science is ever settled. the nature of science is that you bring to bear what you think you now at an endless series of questions, you are endlessly skepticalon goal. when you stop being skeptical, you are not engaging in science, you are doing what you are doing, advancing a political agenda. >> if i get on an airplane, and my advancing a political agenda? >> tucker: when you got on an airplane and say, we know why this airplane crashed without investigating it, without constantly asking questions against what we think we know -- >> it's out all that airplanes are safe to fly on. it doesn't mean that they never crash. it just means that we know they are very safe. we put 12 men on the moon and got them back. science does have a good way of figuring out what works and what doesn't. >> tucker: i agree with that. when we are endlessly skeptical, when we test what we think we know against the available data.

that's what makes me nervous about your approach and the approach of bill nye the fake science guy. he's very offended that this 3% still exists. maybe they should die. my feeling is, why is that affecting him are you? people might have a different view. why do you feel so angry that you wouldl call them names like denier or wish for their death? why is that? >> i don't think he wishes for their deaths. >> tucker:de he said they did. >> and charles darwin's book, "origin of species," he says that he knows evolution is true. he knows he won't persuade the existing bunch of naturalists and scientists, just because they have left their whole career with another paradigm. he is looking forward to the next generation who will look at this objectively. you are not looking at this objectively. >> tucker: i think i am more than you. maybe because i know less then you on this subject. i know, religious behavior when i see it. and i think that anybody who it is threatened by questions is

not engaging in science, he is engaging in theology. >> you are threatened by solvinb the problem. >> tucker: not in the slightest. >> use of the paris agreement is somehow no good. a solution that every single country in the world, 190 nations, unanimously agreed. only president trump pulled out -- >> tucker: you are not a are political person, because -- >> i'm a scientist by trade -- >> tucker: are masking a sincere question. i hold on. why is it okay -- a question i'm asking. i shouldn't be denounced as a denier that i am doing so, why is it a biggest -- why do we call thatal progress? i'm not saying that. >> actually, china is not. china has probably leveled off co2 emissions. >> tucker: under the terms of the agreement -- and i think you are factually wrong -- underer e terms of the agreement, china

does not have to reduce its carbon emissions immediately. am i misstating that? >> you are correct. >> tucker: i am right. >> but you're wrong and that they already have plateaued their co2. to be cleared -- first of all, people can read the answers to every single one of these questions in my book, a primer that i did for oxford university press after reading thef scientific literature and talking -- >> tucker: if people don't agree with you, should they die? >> again, not what i said. what i said is that, here's what we know, tackle, and it seems to me that you were denying the consensus. >> tucker: i'm not denying it. >> humans are the principal cause of global warming. okay. is that you are not? are you conceding that or conceding that for the purpose of talking to me? >> tucker: the question at this point is, what do you do about the rise of global

temperature? there are many possible answers to that question. >> there are not -- >> tucker: oh, they are not. okay. saying, you are not conducting science, you work for a political organization companies are political political questions that are to be solved through political means, and you are trying to short-circuit that by saying, we know the answer, shut up and obey. >> i never said that. you never get 190 nations of the world two agree on anything. the fact that they got together and unanimously said that we have to leave most fossil fuels in the ground must tell you something.re it has never happened before. >> tucker: it happened in the first world war i virtually every population that it was a good idea to go to war and it wasn't. >> 190 nations! >> tucker: of 190 people agree on that, it must be right? i disagree with your premise. everyone agreed that the earth was flat. >> then science came along and told them it was wrong. >> tucker: then come along.

>> we ask the scientists what we should do. we ask the doctors, is that he saved his small? is it safe -- is exactly the same. >> tucker: this conversation is so revealing and i'm glad we had at. >> i hope we can have some more. >> tucker: i hope so, too. >> please read my book and you won't have to ask these questions. >> tucker: if not, i should go die. immediately, go die. >> not. >> tucker: [laughs] >> brian: that was the happiest fighting have ever seen in my life. meanwhile, coming up in the next 24 minutes, the story. how much of a threat does north korea actually pose? how much force do we need to defeat them? up next, we'll talk to retired army colonel about those important questionsar and he is the answers. plus, t will discuss the politicizing action of the president's. ♪

where's jack? he's on holiday. what do you need? i need the temperature for pipe five. ask the new guy. the new guy? jack trained him. jack's guidance would be to maintain the temperature at negative 160 degrees celsius. that doesn't sound like jack. actually, jack would say, hey mate, just cool it to minus 160 and we're set. good on ya. oh yeah. that's jack. >> brian: i think you know the >> brian: i don't you

think you know the north korean story but it's moving. a short timee ago, an escalating situation with north korea, there are new threats from that country, through their national media. they are now saying they are going to fire four missiles at guamgo or near guam. their generals present a strike plan to kim jong-unsi sometime n your august, next week. trump warns a fire and fury, we know that. they responded again to the north koreans pricing trumps warning as "a load of nonsense." north korean military said absolute force can work on someone bereft of reason, like donald trump. they are mocking our president. how andst where the united stats respond? what is the correct response? after all, as long as this conflict is taking place, we might be in uncharted waters. we are joined by retired army colonel douglas mcgregor. colonel, if i believe your may 3rd column, you believe the answer to this conundrum and this challenge is china. you stillie believe that? >> oh, yes. absolutely. is not just china. we also have to work closely with our korean ally.

president moon of the republican of korea. i want to get back to that in a minute. first of all, let me dismantle some of these ridiculous claims. first, president trump is right. in the early 1990s, when is that she was boiling over once again in north korea, and they , general colin powell, former chairman of the joint chiefs, stated clearly, if a nuclear weapon is ever launched byil north korea, we will turn the country into a parking lot. the north koreans know that to be the case, and they are frightened. let's get that off the table. secondly, these missiles they are talking about, the four of them, or liquid fuel rockets from the 1970s. this is old technology. it is not precise. they couldn't hit guam, they couldn't hit anything with any reliability. as far as the range is concerned, they can't carry warheads that hit anything because the rockets will run out of fuel long before they got close to guam. guam is 2,100 miles from

north korea. we have been treated to these kinds of posts and hot air for a very long time. we need to dismiss a lot of those. finally, north korea is in a lot of trouble right now. they are in the midst of a very severe drought. not only are they having trouble feeding their population, they can't feed their own troops. the equipment in north korea goes back to the ' 60s in '70s. they have very few modern weapons. the bottom line is, we need to stop imputing from north korea a capability visited there. we need to stop underestimating south korea and we need to talk to the south korean south korean president. >> brian: a couple of things. south korea, they had this liberal leader elected, i can't do a dissertation on korean politics, i'll give you that. man, he has changed his tone. he originally said, i don't knoo about the thaad system, i want to do an environmental study -- meanwhile, there studying about frogs would liver or die if the missile systems are put in, they realized that they needed it right away. he has become very compliant. i believe that alliance has been

reinvigorated. if you want to get the attention of china, who gives them all of their oil, and to provides them with banking investments, could you bulk up with additional muscles?es you start to have additional military presence, you get more defensive messes, that is trying his nightmare, wouldn't you agree? that would give them a crackdown. >> absolutely not. if you do those things, hotrainable walk away from you. neither china nor south korea nor japan want to war and northeast asia. you are talking about building up for a war. the last thing we should do is launch any strikes or responds in any way whatsoever to these hollow threats. china, oh would much prefer to do business with south korea. china lopez north korea. the best troops they have. they held naval exercises last week which were directlyko threatening korea. they have made a very clear, if the koreans go down this road,

they will engage north korea. that is it the wrong answer. this is not something we should involve ourselves in. we need to talk to this new president. >> brian: really? we should back out if there? >> listen, brian. we need to talk to president moon brady is a strategy. he is ourr ally. he t has 50 million people to be concerned about in the south and another 25 million koreans north of the dmz. he doesn't want any of them to die. we shouldn't do anything unless we consult with him. we went okay. i will say this, colonel, we are up against it, if we are serious about cracking down, we would tell the banks do not do business in north korea if they stop the nuclear rising. i'm n encouraged by what happend sunday. >> i think you would find it right now, north korea north korea's nightmare is chinese intervention. the trainees have made very clear what they will not tolerate.. we need to talk to china about reuniting peninsula and be

prepared to withdraw our forces in order to give china an incentive. >> brian: that's a great point. i would love to do that. now, we think north korea is belligerent.re colonel, thanks for your service. instead of b uniting behind the president, some of them are bashing his handling of the north korean situation. a fax, mark steyn is here, why republicans ♪go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma . it contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. the risk is unknown in copd.

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the same tune here. >> the great leaders that i have seen, they don't threaten unless they are ready to act. i am not sure that president trump is ready to act. >> president trump has basically drawne a redline, saying that he'll never allow north korea to have an icbm missile that can hit america. he won't let that happen. he's not going to contain the threat. he will stop the threat. >> brian: fascinating. meanwhile, the media's more upsets for the president's choice of words than the actual threat of war. >> you don't think that the president's comments are at odds with those of the secretary or this good cop-bad cop routine? >> his language implied the use of force. to the secretary have early warnings? >> is the president of the united states pat threatening a nuclear armed country?

>> two nuclear test that took place last year. as a matter of fact, when the earthquake is in china, i get many emails and calls, asking if it was another nuclear test. how big of a deal thissk is. >> brian: since i know heather nauert, i think she was flabbergasted. steyn, no oneark is asking about the threat of north korea and this might be different than ever before. she was exasperated. >> she's right to be is aspirated by it. this is like some lean joke. what is the difference between donald trump and kim jong-un? ones and out-of-control, crazy psycho guy and the other is a r. they are actually arguing about the president's rhetoric at the time when a government has made an explicit threat to nuke u.s. territory. these guys sound -- these guys are the crazy ones. >> brian: they act like president trump is the only one to havee challenging words for persistentnt threats.

dear member what reagan said? the mad dog in the middle east. he said he was a flake. r willing to back our president because it was a threat to our country. what has happened?pe >> what has happened is that people are genuinely not a serious about these things. the conversation about north korea --e people are arguing about whether he can merely nuke guam or whether he can nuke boston. these are absurd differences. the fact is, the scene, housetrained politicians have sent a quarter-century allowing us to get to this point. and that is why we are at a hellish point. >> brian: ipo talked to senator lindsey graham today and senator mccain has always been a guest. i appreciate the way he was able to get senator don might consider the threats of america. this is the same senator mccain that mocked him. why is that okay and the

president saying this threat has to be confronted the way that he says fire and fury? why is that not okay? >> john mccain is also the guy who said bomb, bomb, bomb, iran jokes a couple of years ago, as well. i think one thing to remember here, it is not h a time to arge about rhetoric.om this is actually something real. are in a state of the world now where a regime that does not respect maximum -- they have somehow been able to become a nuclear power. >> brian: strategic page and student work. he handed this president a grenade.ig he mayay have known about the nuclear rising of the nuclear warheads as early as 2013. this country elected a president more confrontational than the previous one.ct

they elected a professor after they have the president prior was toooo much of a cowboy. respect for the people put in the dugout. >> absolutely. i don't think it hurts at this moment for the united states to be perceived as slightly unpredictable. >> brian: no one fights the crazy guy at the back of the bar. >> if you think back to usama bin laden sitting in his tent or outside on september 10th, 2011, america had overwhelming power and could have used it to destroy afghanistan and yet, those guys had no fear it would happen. >> brian: mark steyn, thank you so much. always great to see you. we will wrap things up in just a moment.

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can't find your local station, go to foxnews.com. have a great night, everyone. "the five" is next. unless you have a different rundown. don't flip the channel. ♪ >> greg: hello, i am greg gutfeld. with jesse watters, kimberly guifoyle, marie harfre and she has a clam as her suitcase, dana perino. "the five." ♪ the causes a sensation even on vacation. >> north korea does not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury. like the world has never seen. >> greg: oh, dear. as usual, a threat. the factors