>> dana: that's is the story for tonight. tucker carlson is up next. i'll see you back here for "the five" at 9:00. have a great night. >> mark: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson" tonight. i'm mark steyn filling in for tucker while he vacations with his family. president trump vowing fire and fury if kim jong-un's regime goes too far and was bashed by many people in washington. if they hope to change the president's behavior, they clearly don't understand him. today trump said his own regret was that he may not have been tough enough. >> frankly, the people that were questioning that statement, was it too tough, maybe it wasn't tough enough. they've been doing this to our

country for a long time, for many years. it's about time that somebody stuck up for the people of this country and for the people of other countries. so if anything, maybe that statement wasn't tough enough. we're backed 100% by our military, backed by everybody. we're backed by many other leaders. north korea better get their act together or they're going to be in trouble like few nations have ever been in trouble in this world. >> we are preparing for many different alternative events in north korea. he's disrespected our country greatly. he's said thing that are horrific. and with me, he's not getting away with it. he got away with it a long time with him and his family, this is a new ball game. he does something in guam, it will be an event the likes of which nobody has seen before. what will happen in north korea.

that's not a dare, as you say. that is a statement of fact. >> mark: yeah, and just to be clear, north korea is pledging to fire four missiles around guam, north, south, east and west. rebec rebecca and david join us. david, there's two views on this. one, the big problem is that north korea is threatening to fire four missiles in guam. the other problem is the president's rhetoric. what is the burning issue here? >> north korea is the problem. make no mistake about it, north korea's leader is erratic, he's a war criminal and he's very dangerous. it's appropriate for us to make sure he knows that we will use overwhelming force if he does anything to strikeout against america, america's interests or

american allies. president trump's initial response on tuesday was very simplistic. he almost stooped to the north korean leader's level. that also is a problem. let's take what secretary defense mattis said yesterday to clean that up. here was his statement. he said the combined allied militaries have the most robust offensive capabilities on earth. that sounds presidential. president trump didn't sound president chad when he said we're going to sound fireballs of fury at north korea. >> and rebecca, you can't say bloodless things like all options remain on the table. you can't keep doing that. doesn't work. >> what president trump is trying to do is change the calculus of kim jong-un. he wants to make sure that if kim jong-un can threaten the

united states with a ballistic missile, it won't be worth the cost. he better believe him. the reason the american people are feeling uncomfortable is that they mow that president trump might do it. that's the point. the point is to deter war. to do it, you have to make sure the enemy means it and you're going to back up the threats. >> mark: david, isn't that a fair point? we've been as predictable in the sense that the court is predictable. he can't do anything and won't do anything. susan rice saying that we need to get used to north korea being a nuclear power. isn't that an incredible thing for the so-called national security adviser of the united states during the obama years to say now she's out of office? >> well, i don't agree with that statement by susan rice. but that was not the policy of president obama. look at the policies of

president bush and president clinton, they're all not that different. they're pretty much the same. it's a mix of military, keeping the military options on the table and using diplomacy. it's appropriate. and now we need to have stronger language but need to do it appropriately and be creative about it. >> mark: no, no, we don't need stronger language. we need to stop basket case psycho states nuclearizing. north korea has shared their nuclear technology with iran. iran said they want to share it's nuclear technology with sudan. i don't know where you go below sudan, but when sudan is nuclear, i guess they'll be sharing with it somalia and somalis with machetes be with somalis with nukes. where is this going to go, rebecca? >> susan rice essentially says that we can deal with a nuclear north korea. certainly explains why the obama

policy was to look the other way. remember, in 2013 in an open hearing in the house armed services committee, the pentagon under that north korea has a miniaturized weapon to put on a missile. when do the obama administration do? they looked the other way, down played the intelligence and acted like it wasn't serious. we have punted on this. we cannot allow kim jong-un to essentially have a nuclear gun to the head of the american people. president trump isn't going to allow it. he's going to improve the missile defense system, which obama cut them his first year in us a. we're behind. the system can protect the 50 states of the united states, but it's not sufficient. we have to get better, we have to put the squeeze on kim jong-un. we're not preventing a nuclear icbm at this point. we have to roll it back. >> mark: speaking of prevention, you think if he goes ahead with

this radio city aquacades around guam, you think we should let him do it? >> absolutely not. we can't let him do anything. we cannot let him have nuclear weapons. >> mark: so what do we do? >> he has them. >> we have to push back with military options, make it clear that we will use our military and use military strikes and we might even use offensive strikes and certainly use defensive strikes. at the same time, we have to ratchet up sanctions, which we're doing and i give president trump and nikki haley taking the lead and passing the sanctions. but that's what president obama did. he passed sanctions. rebecca wants this political. it's not political. main street democrats and republicans agree on the response. it's the forceful with military, use if it we have to but try to pressure north korea using china and russia and our allies to come to the table and have a diplomatic resolution. that's the only way to do this.

>> mark: rebecca, david seems to be saying it's, you know, they're both -- both parties have been useless on this. is trump any different? >> i think both parties have failed to stop north korea. that's right. it's barack obama that punted this when north korea was on the brink of having a credible nuclear icbm. so susan rice's op-ed in "the new york times" proves their policy of strategic patience to allow kim jong-un to get this capability. i do think that president trump is doing something different. he's saying, i'm serious. this is credible. i'm prepared to make sure that if given the choice of war in the korean peninsula or allowing the american people to be hostage to a nuclear icbm, i'm chooser the former that is to deter kim jong-un from doing something he will regret. >> every president has said that. >> mark: the fire of fury of cable news pams. rebecca and david, thanks very much. the saga of benghazi is not

over. five years on the state department is still dragging its feet on releasing e-mails related to the murder of four u.s. citizens on that dark night. today u.s. district court judge, an obama appointee, ruled the state department hasn't looked hard enough for benghazi related e-mails sent to or from hillary clinton and ordered a new, wider search. ramona sued for the e-mails. she joins us. it's five years on from september 2012. why is this taken so long, ramona? >> it's taken so long because the state department is refusing to meet its obligations under the freedom of information act. we filed this case over two years ago. we asked for all of secretary clinton's e-mails related to

benghazi. the attacks in benghazi. while they -- the state department did search the records that were returned by secretary clinton and her most senior officials, they renewed to search the most obvious play, which would be the state department's own server. it patently refused to do so. their position in court is it would be fruitless to search the state department e-mail accounts of her senior advisers, and her aides while she was secretary of state. >> mark: hillary has been out of the state department now for 4 1/2 years. why is there still institutional support for -- in other words, why is the obama -- the trump state department protecting hillary clinton? >> well, i don't know why the current state department is protecting hillary clinton. but we know this has been a

drip, drip, drip sort of saga because the process by which the record keeping system was maintained during her tenure at the state department avoided foya. she maintained a private server and all of her e-mails were housed outside the state department server. >> mark: right. in effect then, there's no agreed totality of what it is you're looking for. you might get a bunch of e-mails this time but doesn't mean there's a whole bunch because basically she forwarded them to the united states government. >> that's exactly right. those e-mails were hand selected by her attorneys. the e-mails that were returned by her senior aides were also hand selected by their attorneys. as a judge pointed out, there's no assurances that the state department has made or can make at this point that those records that were returned by secretary clinton or her aides contain a

complete set of her e-mails. it's like imagine that you're spreading your set of documents amongst ten file cabinets. you can't just search three. you have to search all ten. >> that's basically what we mean by the record of hillary clinton at the state department. is there's some things for which there's three photocopies and there's some things for which there's two photocopies and a whole bunch of stuff for which there's no photocopies. that's basically how it worked out there. >> right, right. so now the state department has to do back and to what they were supposed to do two years ago. search the state.gov e-mail accounts for her senior aides. >> mark: what do you think we're likely to find in these benghazi e-mails? you've asked for things related to how susan rice wound up giving that mumbo jumbo on those sunday shows by why it was the fault of a video that none of those guys had ever seen? >> that's a didn't case.

this case would include those e-mails, this is broader. this asks for the e-mails relating to the attacks. they have until september 22 to provide the update. >> mark: thanks, ramona. if you look at the film about the benghazi incident, what is fascinating about that is that there were people in town involved in that attack that seem to be very well informed as to the ambassador's whereabouts that night. it would be interesting to know whether the leakiness of hillary's private server had anything to do with that. thanks, ramona. i'm glad you found an obliging judge today. sharks, jelly fish and rip currents are not all you have to fear at the beach. now beach goers in spains have to worry about migrants washing

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>> mark: take a look at this. this is footage captured at a spanish beach showing a dingy full of migrants coming on board the beach. they scramble like the landing of normandy. if you can imagine omaha beach

full of topless women instead of german soldiers. and then they head for the hills. this dingy represents a tiny portion of almost 10,000 migrants that have entered spain this year to claim asylum. you think those people will be sent home any time soon? don't bet on it. douglas murray is an author. i recommend it. douglas joins us now. douglas, this is some kind of symbolic metaphor for europe. life is a beach and then the people that kill your civilization wash up on it. >> exactly. it's an amazing picture of where we are in europe right now, this is one beach in spain. ten times the number of people that have come through spain

have arrived in italy with very little international note. but the people that rule us here in europe, angela merkel, the european commissioner, the entire political class would have us believe those people you just saw landing on that beach in spain are all ph.d. candidates and electricians and engineers and doctors just racing into europe to try to give their all. some of us don't think that is the case. >> mark: no, you've been to some of these other refugee centers, points of entry as it were in the greek islands and so forth. from the look of that beach, doesn't look as if there's a lot of scrutiny as if europe's authorities are there to protest those people. as i say, you pick your way among the bikinis and you're in europe to stay. >> yeah. the people on the beach, it's a bummer. bit of a distraction during the

day. they're trying to work on their tan. maybe it's just another boat and another one after that and another one after that. always someone else's problem. the very best, these people are going to work their way up north, going to work for criminal gangs all run by people from their countries of origin. it's a horrible hellish story from here on in. everybody in europe seems to think they can just keep passing this buck. eventually someone has to pay for this. i think our entire society ends up paying for this. >> mark: now, we're told these people are fleeing civil war in syria or failed states like libya. i spent a couple days in a german refugee house with some very agreeable pot-smoking gambians that were pretenting that they were syrians. you know as well as i do,

there's few similarities between west africans and arabs from syria. everybody agreed to pretend they were syrian. they're not fleeing civil war. they washed ashore in spain are economic migrants. >> yeah. they're fleeing the brutal civil war in morocco if your a european commissioner. that's the lie you'd have to push. basically, they're sub-saharan africans moving to europe for a better life. sure. no doubt about it. even a life working for a gang in spain is better than a life in parts of sub-saharan africa. the question that europe has, how many of these boat loads do we take on before we ourselves cap size? this is the question i cannot get new european leaders to address. they want to keep ignoring it. it's just another boat, another

beach. >> in your book you "quite frankly" some time to a famous french novel called "the camp of the saints." on this french beach, a ship of refugees comes ashow and collapses the french state. he wrote this novel in 1971, 72. are we actually seeing that scenario playing out simply incrementally with smaller boats week by week? >> that's right. that novel is horrible. it's an apocalyptic novel. yes, it's horrible. turned out to have understated the size of the apocalypse. yes, this is just a drip, drip. every day thousands of people make their way in. and by the way, they're not just

landing on the beaches in italy, they're picked up by ngos working with in some cases the criminal smuggling gangs and they do the second part of the work for them. they bring them in to europe. this is in my mind insanity on a continentwide scale. >> mark: you're right about that, douglas. thanks very much. in fact, if you think it's bad coming on that dingy as douglas says, the ngos will meet these boats off libyan coast and ferry you to europe in some comfort. a sanctioned student group at the university of minnesota has a very important rule. no white people allowed. up next, we'll talk to a minneapolis journalist that says racially segregated groups are a grand idea. that's next on "tucker carlson tonight." especially for my precious new grandchild.

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english, that means the group is for nonwhite gay and trans-gender people and no one else. since the story broke, the group has updated its web page to remove it's warning that whites should stay away. mike melon wrote about the controversy for city pages and his take was that white people should shut up and stop whining. thanks for coming on, mike. you basically think of this as the alt right white as you call them, making a fuss about nothing. >> right. i would say this doesn't really bother me. i'm surprised that it bothers them. if you saw the original message on the website, it said to allies of this group, they would ask that you please give them some privacy to have their meeting alone. i don't think the people at campus reform or the people that have acted like they're outraged at this are the allies that

they're refers to. >> mark: you describe the fellow campus reform who brought this up, mitchell gunter. you said he's a notably white man from south carolina. what do you mean by a notably white man? >> i meant a joke. >> mark: what is the joke there? you seem notably white to me. is that a joke? you're a notably white man from minnesota. >> right. i'm not outraged that i'm not allowed to go to a group for black and queer gay people. that doesn't hurt me. the fact that -- >> mark: but just to go on with this compartmentalization, this is for lgbtqia. i lose it after the q. what do the i and a stand for? >> honestly, i'm not sure. i assume indigenous and something. i don't know. >> mark: wrong. it's intersex and asexual.

i just wanted to ask you here, why do you think that a an indigenous trans woman has more in common with an african american asexual than with a white trans woman? that's what this group is saying. >> no, they're saying if those people think they have more in common ant want to get in a room with each other and have a conversation about their race or their sexuality, they would be allowed to do that. >> mark: no, they have actually formed -- you couldn't for example form a group for notably white people such as yourself and the fellow from south carolina, mitchell gunter, and you have a group for notably white people who are notably heterosexual. but you could have a group saying a white trans woman is excluded from the group but an african american woman asexual can be a member of the group. you happy with this?

this is mike mad libs where you toss the identity group confetti in the air and it comes down and you piece it together any which way except if you belong to certain call identities you're excluded. you think this makes sense for trans people or asexual people? >> what i would point out, whenever there's outrage about these groups and their supposed segregation or discrimination, it's not coming from the trans white woman. she probably understands why they want to be alone. it's coming from people like you, i guess, who they are asking to leave them alone. >> the criticism of people like me that are notably white are coming from other notably white people like you. don't you think that is weird, too? >> no. >> mark: there's agonized notably progressive white liberals like you getting upset about notably white -- by the way, why do you call campers reform alt right whites? what does that mean? >> it means if you look at their

coverage, that i look for things like this where they can act outraged about the fact that they're -- that it's actually white straight people, usually men that are being discriminated against, which is -- >> mark: no, no. we're talking -- no, no. we're talking here about why white trans-gender women can't go or white intersex or men or both can't go to this group. >> do you have a lot of them contacting you and saying they're outraged that this -- >> mark: no, i'm not persuaded that intersex -- i'm not persuaded that indigenous intersex person are a measurable demographic. i'm asking you as a notably white person yourself, don't you think this multiplicity of identity group vulcanization splitting into ever-more micro and in fact barely detectible groups isn't quite absurd?

>> no, i don't think it's absurd. you're right, this is a very small group. as far as i can tell, there's ten people it in. the fact that it exists doesn't bother me and i didn't know it existed until a couple weeks ago that were outraged by it. the existence hasn't done anything to you. >> mark: what do you think that martin luther king said one day that we could be judged on the character rather than the color of our skin? now we have a world in which the color of your skin apparently trumps whether you're a trans-gender person or whether you're a lesbian because the fact -- the color of lesbian you are is more important? >> i think martin luther king is great and i assume if he tried to go to one of these meetings, they would let him in. >> mark: i don't think so. unless he's an african american asexual. again, we don't know that. thanks you very much.

that's the notably white mike mullen speaking to us from minnesota. speaking of safe spaces for gay people, by the way, the city of london has an exciting new job. gayness in spector. if you've been to london, you'll know that's a demanding job. thanks to rising real estate prices and the growing popularity of dating apps, london has loss more than half of its gay bars in the past decade, and that in the eyes of the mayor is a crisis that must be remedied. the city has announced a certain commercial development will only be approved if the final plan includes a new gay bar. i hope they put it next to the mayor's mosque, just to add to the vibrancy of diversity. just to make sure it's a normal bar, the mayor's office will send an inspector to make sure it's gay enough. don't you hate it when you go to

a gay bar and it's not really flamboyantly gay? anyway, what does gay enough for mayor khan, london's first muslim mayor want? we're afraid to ask. after the break, tucker will be back for a chat with mike rowe and scandal star, josh melina went on a twit errant for trump voters. that's all to come on "tucker carlson tonight." there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. visit booking.com.

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teens are excited across america. i sense this is bad. i can't articulate why. what do you think? >> let's see. what -- well, as i understand ancient history, we started with horerogliphics. it seems we're going backwards. i'm troubled by their quantity. there's hundreds of these things. they have every possible expression. every nuance of expression is in this endless pile of emotions. i didn't know, a, that was that many emotions in the human condition but now we have to choose which one to express ourselves and to whom and when. i'm not sure we simplified things a lot. >> it does seem like they're bypassing language? we have the biggest language. more word than any other

language has. why are people choosing not to use it? >> i think a theory, i think this general assault on conventional norms of work that we talked about ad nauseam before has bled over into a kind of assault on the lexicon. >> like velcro shoes. >> a little bit, yeah. see, again, nothing to get angry about, but it's unnerving. it's disconcerting to look down and see velcro when you expect laces. it's troubling. you have to ask regarding emojis, what is next? just grunts? interpretive dance? grown people are now communicating with texts that say, u r gr8. we're all hooked on phonics

again with the emoji things combined. i don't know what's happening. if you want me to make this a serious point, what about this? this slow degradation of the language is actually a component of the demise of soft skills? >> what are soft skills? >> soft skills are those things that allow you to not take a phone call did your a job interview, show up on time, tuck your shirt in. things that are lacking in which you call the ployable people looking for jobs. they're not using their words to a degree that is making people excited about hiring them. that's why the emoji has to go with the velcro shoes. >> how big of employment is that? >> the people i talk to that are really trying to close the skills gap in their own part of the world, they say it's the

most critical. the most critical thing that nobody talks about is passing the drug test. >> that's huge. >> that's more than half gone. the thing that we often talk about with the skills gap is the lack of skill obviously. but then we discuss the lack of will that really fuels it, but it's also the lack of soft skills. people just don't know how to interview. they don't know what to say. they don't know -- it's basic, but the erosion of that which is basic has to be jermane to whatever it is we think we're talking about right now. >> if you can -- i know you do this. if you can give job advice to someone seeking a job at the lower end, just starting out, what kinds of counsel would you give? >> i'd say if you can, put yourself in the chair of the person considering hiring you. say to them exactly what you would want to hear if you were them. hi, it's great to be here.

here's the deal. i will be early every day. i will stay late every day. i will ask you what i can do to make your life simpler. i will volunteer cheerfully and two years from now i'll be sitting where you are. if somebody said that to me, i'd be like -- >> are you kidding? >> i'm not checking references. i'll see you tomorrow. it would happen in a heartbeat. >> you're hired. >> right. and give them a smiley face and tell them to get out. >> mike rowe, thank you. >> sure. >> mark: mike rowe on people that don't know how to interview and what to say. coming up, someone called actress ashley judd a sweetheart. so she delivered a lengthy screed on facebook. >> he said hey, nice dress.

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>> mark: it's time for the hollywood walk of shame where we show case the most appalling behavior of the decadent celebrity class. when we were children, we were told it's nice to compliment people. ashley judd complained for almost 2 1/2 minutes on facebook after an airport worker called her a sweetheart. >> i was coming through security, a guy said, hey, sweetheart. i said i'm not your sweetheart. i'm your client.

so i was already setting the boundaries. then when i was setting my things out, he said hey, nice dress. guess what happened next? he touched me. i didn't see him touch anybody else. i turned around and i said, that was unnecessary. by the time my skin is burning, my feet are burning, it's so hard to continue to set these boundaries. for good measure, he just said one more time, have a good day, sweetheart. this is the kind of thing to me that happens, which i categorize as every day sexism. >> yeah, she's a sweetheart. north korea said earlier today, we willmer wipe out people like that. so there's a lot to deal with in the world but this every day

sexism is afflicting us according to ashley judd. >> yes, every day lunacism. there's nothing wrong -- somebody paid her a compliment. can you imagine if they paid her an insult? that would have been something to live stream about. >> if you say, have you changed your hair, it's lovely. that's a lovely outfit you have on today. the norm social ebb and flow is -- there's no courtship rituals, no social rituals, no possibility of human interaction ultimately. >> i feel as though chivalry is under attack. if a man open as door, he's lectured about it online. if he compliments a women, he's

lectured about it. they go out with the media, look up everything they can about these individuals which i'm surprised it's not been done for this particular airport employee. the media hasn't dug up everything and ruin their lives over it. there's no sexism here. >> mark: and this is ashley judd whose last appearance when she did that poem, "i'm a nasty woman" the day after the inauguration. why wasn't that more unpleasant than saying hey, nice dress, sweetheart? >> yeah. i found that cringe worthy. that is everyday lunacy. maybe she can ask women in saudi arabia that are not allowed to drive or other women that don't have representation in a court of law because they're female. >> mark: yeah, that's a whole other nice burqa or whatever. and the guy will be taken to the cemetery. ashley judd was bad. another actor is actually

determined to top her. josh melina is nonfor abc's "scandal." we can't show you much of what he said because it's mostly blankable. here's a tamer sample. had fun with trump supporters on twitter. they're homophobic, trans phobic and unfunny. dana, you have a full set there? a full horse according to josh melina. >> yeah, i know. i'm trying to think of anything else he failed to check-off. things like that, this sort of behavior, this is the reason why trump is president. this is the reason why. you had so many disaffected democrats tired of voting for a party that never delivered. they decided to cross the line and voted for somebody that might actually get something done for them. for this mark, how are they rewarded? they have their characters

impugned and motives maligned. it's shameful. if this behavior keeps up, it will continue to make more victories in 2018 and 2020. but not for the side they want. >> mark: you make a very good point there, dana, wit. josh malina is an active actor, a creative person. he's labelled half the population of the united states as members of a quintet of hate groups, particularly the unfunny part. i think he left out isl islamaphobic. how can he believe half of his fellow americans are bigots? is that what the left understands of the trump victory? >> apparently he is. he's unfamiliar with these individuals. he's referring to average everyday men and women, young

and old as bigots because they don't like the individual for whom they voted. that's unfair for half of america. if we're going to have a discussion of what is or is not bigoted, his remarks are bigotry. >> mark: a minute ago, congresswoman kathleen rice tweeted this. "i'm just going to say it." a member of congress called you a domestic security threat. your response to that. >> oh, that's absolutely awful, to think that advocating for second amendment rights and also holding media accountable as free people have every right to do with the free press -- >> mark: we have to go. i just wanted a reaction. we'll be back. copd makes it hard to breathe.

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>> mark: sorry to cut dane off, she is a sweetheart.

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