tonight. the protesters outside trump tower in new york. "the five" will be kicking that off up next. we'll see you tomorrow. have a great night. >> kimberly: hello, everybody. welcome toto "the five." ein kimberly guilfoyle. brand-new developments on the domestic a terror attack in charlottesville. in-depth analysis of the white supremacist protest, and extremely difficult to be good for virginia and for our nation. today, president trump was again condemned the violence, the stem directly addressing the racist hate groups responsible by name. the speaker to anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. justice will be delivered. racism is evil, and those who cause violence and its names are criminals and dogs. including i the kkk, neo-nazis,

white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. as a candidates, i promise to restore law and order to our country, and our federal law enforcement agencies are following through on that pledge. we will defend and protect the sacred rights of all americans. to >> kimberly: attorney general jeff sessions as the justicef department is taking vigorous action to protect all americans against racism and bigotry after opening a civil rights investigation. >> justice will be done. we are coming after these people. it will not be tolerated. it cannot be tolerated in america. wewe go outta directly, morally, legally, politically, legitimately, in any way possible to reject this kind of ideology that causes division. it doesn't meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute.

>> kimberly: today, the man accused ofcu killing 32-year-old heather higher by ramming his car into a crowd of peaceful protesters was denied bail in its first court appearance. more details on that later. any moment, president trump is expected to arrive at trump tower in new york city and this will beec his first day the since inauguration. there are crowds of protesters outside and we will be keeping a close eye on that and bring you any of the developments. dana, let's turn the discussion to the protests, the death that occurred this weekend. kind of take take it through us in terms of the messaging, the communication, the president's initial statement, the outcryp afterward, and the follow-up today. speak to a good summary of all the things that happened. i think the president statement today was well-written, well delivered. i do think it was really late and i think what happened saturday, -- i think you can understand the caution of not knowingic who it specifically hd committed thehe murder. i wouldn't have tweeted "best regards." i also would not have waited the

two days to answer more questions about it. for example, today when he gaveh a statement, he said on friday that he was going to give a press conference on monday. never announce a press conference until the morning of because you don't know what the questions are going to be, the news of the day. i thinknk he would have benefitd today from taking questions at that moment. he is frustrated now that he feels like his sincerity is being questioned today, that it wasn't good enough for the medi media. >> kimberly:h he tweeted that. >> dana: it makes it look like it wasn't sincere, that he was doing it to make sure that the media was mollified. i think if he had spoken from the heart, that the teleprompter, the questions from reporters, he would have done himself a real service because when he took questions on the plane last week for the ten to 20 minutes, it was like him obviously nobody speaks as welll for him as he does for himself. for the 48 hours i think that that was kind of a unfortunate but, moving on, how do you move forward? the protests are going tog. happen, they are continuing. there are bad things that are

happening. just about an hour ago, some leftists, i'll call them, pulled down the robert e lee statue in durham, north carolina. there is more violence expected. all of the stuff, and greg will talk about the media part partt in the b block, i don't think this willo necessarily get bettr initially. i think we are in for some tough nights ahead. maybe even days.he and schools are all coming back. the danger of not having clear of moral authority is a problem for the country. the nation turns their eyes to the president for certain reasons, and certain events, and saturday was one of them. >> kimberly: all right, so, great, obviously, the attorney general jeff sessions taking this moment to specifically identify this as an act of domestic terrorism, of course, this also coming in conjunction with the president's renewed statement that he issue regarding, condemning the violence. >> greg: i think that's theo

correct positions or take. however, i am aware that nothing that donald trump says will ever be enough. let's face it. the people that hate him hate him. there's nothing you can say. he might have made it unforced error but there is nothing he can do to please the people. we saw how angry people were. they were more angry about his t response than they were about the actual act. i saw it, i read it, i saw the rage. does the statement affect the outcome from saturday? not to those people. what i find interesting, we spent so much time on north korea, obsessing on north korea, wondering what was going to happen this weekend, and i finally realized the solution north korea is to just ignore it and forget about it because that is exactly what we did. we took an event in charlottesville and just continually, completely erased this international threat, this is that

existential strength that we were talking about for weeks. i just went away. it is still there but we don't talk about her. we won't talk about it tonight. every side has bad people. some people have more bad peopl people, some places have more bad people than other. on the right, it's usually skin has come a white power freaks. on the left, you have anarchists who bring stuff down, they beat up demonstrators. black relatives who shoot cops. do you have earth firsters who nail hammers into trees or loggers get crippled. these people are all the same. then, you have westborough, the, skinheads in england, stuff has beenee around. the racist right is learning from the fascist left, who have a limited debate. that is why this happened. they are all dirtbags. the right-wing nazis -- there was an article h in "the washington post" two days before this happened. i hope we have it here. it was written by somebody named perry stein, i do not fear a picture of this. it's an interesting -- do you have it? check out the headline.

"what draws americans to anarchy, it is more than just smashing windows. they do are in equity as a lifestyle choice with a guy holding a baseball back. with the media's telling you right there, is that some violence is more acceptable than others. if you're going to call other thugs, call other thugs everywhere. >> kimberly: won't come i want to get your reflections on this. it is something you have written about, as well, and studied in terms of american history, civil rights, et cetera. what did you think about the way this went down, in terms of the chronology of events, the president statement, and what has happened in the aftermath? >> juan: the historical view is so painful because it's almost like we arere back in the 1960s and we are right back before the era, let's say, the civil rights act. even if you stop and think about the some of the anger that youio saw after '54, you think about, where is this? c what is this about? i don't think it is fair to say

that this represents most people of any stripe. but i think it is important to say that from the president presidential point of view, picking up on something dana wag about, moral authority, i think back to people like president eisenhower making it very clear that we are not going to haveeo people stand in the way of children going to the school, or president kennedy, who had many supporters of the democratic ranks, who were in the south at that time being very clear that we stand against people being denied equal rights in this country. i think of president george w. bush, saying much the same thing. i think ofof john mccain in the midst of his contest with barack obama, saying to a woman who stood up and said some nasty things about obama, "i'm sorry, that's not what we're doing here. we are policy differencesfe but he's a good family man."y: >> kimberly: good point. >> juan: all of a sudden, donald trump, who is so quick of wit, found himself bailing, and could not speak honestly and

from the heart at a critical moment when america saw a moral leader. and today, you had a black member of his business council, a man who is the president of merck withdraw from the council because he said he could not abide by the president's failure to speak clearly on a moral issue. what happened, donald trump didn't have to wait this time. he shot right back and attacked the guy for high drug prices. again, it seems to me, even with the statement today, which was fine, that it struck me as if someone had told him to give up mcdonald's. he said, oh, gosh, do i have to? you made the statement, reits from the prompter,ro who which he is always saying is a silly thing to do. then, he runs out of the room before he can answer questions. it's upsetting to me because it seems that it's ultimately invites more rachel division in our country at a point and what you think i'm a gosh, we are beyond fact. >> greg: what invites more racial division, i'm sorry, jesse, when you say this is part

of a greater hole, that these are all white people, this is a -- this is what is happening on twitter, and a lot of media people are doing. before i just want to be clear, trump is not the villain. the racist keller is the villain in charlottesville. if trump had named names, with the media have not created a firestorm? yes. of if trump had named names, wht is media linked him to the violence? yes, because they were linking them to the violence before he said anything. just because he didn't name names doesn't make him a racist, it just open the door for people to unfairly smear him as a racist.le let's look at the facts about the whole "many sides" debate. you had both sides coming into the town armed to the teeth. clubs,ie shields, mace. the people, the black lives matter people, the white supremacist, the neo-nazis, they wanted to

rumble. it's true, the whites were the one that started this racist rally and it was a white racist that committed this murder, allegedly. "the new york times" said, and she was on the ground, the reporter, the hard left seemed as hate filledfi as the alt-rig. the aclu of virginia, not sure who provoked first. both sides were heading at each other. then, one of the four people that were arrested were a left-wing radical who punched a reporter in the face, female reporter.ai we can armchair president trump's response all we want but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on here. hillary clinton waited two weeks after benghazi to call that terrorism.ru if trump had blamed charlottesville on the video maybe he would have gotten a free pass. president obama waited for cody's during ferguson while that city burned and he was in martha's vineyard having dinner to come out. when he came out, he came out then, he blamed both sides, the looters and the police. b

when black lives matter activists executed nypd people and shot cops cold dead in the streets in dallas, what did the president do? he didn't condemn black lives matter. black lives matter got invited to the white house. when he did speak about it, he goes, it's hard to untangle the motivations of the shooter and we don't want to assign blame from one kook to a larger national movement. obama called terrorism workplace violence, so it's hard to be lectured about word games from the left. and the steve scalise shooter come of this guy a bernie sanders volunteer, targeted republican congressman. no one blamed bernie sanders for that but they want to lay this death at the doorstep of donald trump?'s is disgraceful. we have seen people who are mad at president trump for saying "radical islam," now, all of a sudden, want him to say white supremacy? >> juan: you got to make a distinction here between people

who came and had torches at night and started this -- 's before i did. i said: they were the ones that instigated the rally. they came to rumble, juan, and the police did nothing. p they stood down. who knows of the mayor told them to stand down. in any other city, you would have seen a police separate and divide people. the aclu said that they stood by and watched. >> juan: i can't abide that. that's just not reality. >> kimberly: there's a couple of things that went wrong here. number one, they should have shut it down and it should have been better prepared to make sure soda didn't escalate. to any kind of violence, if they knew they were going to have this protest, they should have major, reporters in the field said they didn't shut it down. it should have been shut down. it's unacceptable. there is loss of life. never to go, the criticism about the communication of the president, we sit here at the table and we criticize president obama and past presidents if they weren't on message and if they did not denounce or come out and make a

statement and thought as a criticism here. where was the president's messaging? the communication? there wast a delay in it. now that he is personally responsible for it, because people look to a president for guidance and for that kind of moral leadership, to hear the president has to say because the words do matter. we satt here and said that about president obama would be how to delay coming to be fair. >> jesse: perhaps, greg was right. i'm out of the president's head, thank god. perhaps the president was thinking, we don't have all the facts, like the an aside, let's just take a big picture approach because both sides are grumbling. i don't know who the driver was, before i make a statement. i don't think he was going to left the dash left the left-wing violence off the hook. >> kimberly: obviously, the president doesn't support people who are white supremacist nationals. >> jesse: obviously. who knowsy: anyone him knows that he's against that. >> greg: the difference between what happened on saturday and what happened at standing rock or portland last

week with antifa beating up protesters or what happened in places like oakland and berkeley, somebody died. so, that's what made this different and so we sit here and the media's tearing apart this event because some people, three people actually died. there were violent events, something like 30, 35 violent events in 2009, which were radical antifa protesters at standing rock, stuff that happened in verdict on mike ferguson and baltimore. this is different. it is a horrible act that makes seem that it was entirely worse, when in fact, if you kept score of this, which is what people are doing, it's bad all around. does it here and just pretend that this thing is some kind of, like, right wing think, this is an extremist thing. >> juan: let me just tell you, it's not. if you think -- >> greg: you don't remember the guy who killed five cops? >> juan: hating on a second.

>> kimberly: we justma received word t from "the associated pre" that president trump has arrived at trump tower but there hasn't been a sighting at. we'll let you know if we give video of that or any other a furthering it on my further information. >> juan: this is not a policy difference. this is not saying that i believe in climate change and greg saying it still a matter of contention. this is a matter of. somebody, the alt-right, the nazis, remember, america battling nazis -- >> greg: don't talk down to me, juan, i know what the nazis are. >> juan: it seems to me, greg, you can say a policy difference or left versus right is the equal of people who have targeted people covered in direct relation to race, given its history and its country, and saying, we are coming together with our torches in the night to stand up for the confederacy,de for the alt-right -- >> greg: i would say disavow all the dirt bags. i don't know wherere the problem

is b for that. >> juan: they are despicable and people stand to protest against them and then, all of a sudden, people takes a car and runs them over? you think the president of the united states would say, that is unacceptable. >> jesse: he did say it was unacceptable. >> juan: he didn't say it until today. >> jesse: did you go on twitter on saturday? >> dana: i think there's an sdan couple points here. i don't think it's great to just compare two past presidents. that should not be our bar. it's just a moral thing at a human thing and you can judge each president on its own. i also think that the president needs to understand, he would not pay a political price at all for calling out the alt-right. these are people who are unfairly seeking safe harbor under his wing, and if the president didn't want to do to protect himself, what about the party that he says that he wants to grow? because now, every republican has to say, i am not alt-right. the alt-right doesn't even

believe in the constitution of the united states. these are people who have through sites like bright red cover for the last two years, come after people -- if you have not been the target of the vile, with all of their pepe frogs, i didn't even know what it was. i thought that nazis for something that we dealt with in the past. i thought america had a handle on it.es and i think the president needs to understand, these people are trying to unfairly find a safe harbor under his wing and he should absolutely come out and say, i disavow it completely, call them up by names, richard spencer, david duke, whoever it is. he would actually benefit. i think t he would've got credit for that if he hadgo done it on saturday and i think you should get credit if he does it now. >> kimberly: he did it go drop when he came h out with a statement today. excellent discussion. much more to come onto the terror in charlottesville. some of therr media are blaming president trump for the

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>> greg: we know who is responsible for the death of either higher, racist scum. but what role does the camera play and how the prior events unfolded? where there is a lens, there is always a show. this may lay over a statue, it

wasn't a life or death battle, but one for attention, a death sport fought from the coliseum of modern media. two sides egged on for a team sport purposes. it's the circus part of bread and circuses. and so many make their daily bread off the circus. had we all ignore this, the march would have been forgottene fast. the left used to say, what if they hadtt a bore and nobody ca? imagine that, no cameras, no commentary, no antifa. the rally would have been a bunch of badly dressed guys handing out leaflets, over by noon. the camera is miracle grow from a ham. nazis are repugnant slugs. as long as the media racists who capture the action, then virtue signal themselves to death afterwards. it's the newest reality show, a gruesome american flattery mike gladiator. that isn't who we are today, or

a microcosm of america, at the disease and symptom of the larger body politic, one in which words are censored and violence excused. if we all recognize that this is a sick aberration fertilized by attention, the temperature would drop and we could be rid of it. but sadly, the media loves to say this represents a greater hole, which is to use. meanwhile, americans just hope north korea doesn't bomb us.es it's true, nothing good ever comes from an angry mob, and that includes the media. kimberly, when i was watchingwa the coverage, i was screaming at the tv, not simply about the event that was occurring, but how the intensity of the coverage, wall-to-wall, negatively impacts everything. when you are watching something, i saw this scene here 100 times. even when there was a wall. there will be a law that would hundred minutes but they would show it over and over and over again until something else happened. it was like, how does that not have an impact? >> kimberly: you are saying,

they put it on the loop because it is good foror television, and it also helps to put down might create a false narrative, because you think that is happening at a consistent pace, they wait for something else to throw it in. i think we have been consistent in terms of talking about the role and impact that media has in the way that it relays and covers the news and weather it becomes part of the news itself. nevertheless, this was a horrific event that occurred. i am upset about it, on a lot of levels, about the racism. i thought we had come so much further as a country down there sick, evil people that are so intolerant, it's disgusting. also, the way we should learn about how to police this. we all play a role in terms of howow we talk about it, how we discuss it, and how the lens feeds it out to the public. >> greg: dana, there were live feeds of the protests outside oo trump tower. they are not there to capture

peace. >> dana: right, but that is what journalism is, right? covering the planes that landed safely in the airport. i also think that these people, the evil people that are doing this, at the counter protesters that wereot there trying to stop them, and the additional, they actually don't need that traditional media. you are watching traditional media. my parents are watching traditional media. these people are not. the cameras they care about are the ones that are on their phones. this is not being seen through a media filter. this is -- as older people that are watching it. these guys have never seen a nightly news cast since they were five years old and had to spend a week at their grandparents house. the media to blame is really the social media that is direct to them, they are not actually worried about cnn. >> greg: that proves the point that this is about a spectacle and attention. when you look at the video, the people who aren't fighting are the people filming it, jesse. everyone has a camera and they are doing it because they are capturing it for their own blog or so they can post it.

it to them, it's all about, give me more. i need more excitement. >> kimberly: soaking it up. >> jesse: there are more bloggers and videographers that member protesters. 200 or 300 racists showed up to this rally in this country of 300 million, it doesn't make it a racist nation. let's keep this into perspective. these people are frigid i don't represent the rest of society. but the media relishes a little bit in these racist right-wing rallies because it's the only visual proof thathe they can pot to and say, this is racism, and they use the racism to hurt the republican party, and they use it as a weapon against republicans because so manyhe black people vote for democrats and they want to make the other party look inhospitable. but meanwhile, over the weekend in chicago, they were 39 shootings.e there were nine deaths in chicago. t to the media care? now. i think a month ago in minnesota, black lives rally

march, 21 police officers were injured and one had a fractured spinal cord. kate steinle was murdered by an illegal alien felon who was deported five times. the media yawned. a neo-nazi mows down innocent woman and the media goes wall-to-wall. there's a lot of identity politics that steer this type of coverage and a lot of the time, it's designedd to lay the blame on the foot of the president. >> greg: want juan, you are an award-winning journalist. i remember you talking about censorship in music, you follow the music was harmful, all that stuff. do you believe that the media somehow contributes to this kind of event? by focusing, inviting it more, when people see a camera, they act differently? >> juan: share. i think we all do. but i think in this case, my question to you would be, shouldn't we, given the

historical backdrop, pay attention to the fringe? t when the fringe is hateful and dangerous and spiteful, and we say come on let's not pay attention, let's pretend they are not there, and cameras, stat tell the story, it's an ugly story, it doesn't represent who we are is an american people. but if you do that, greg, you run the risk of of the fringe spreading a message. we were talking about president trump's message. places like "the daily storm," they are praising it. theyey said it was a great statement. they feel reinforced, not by the coverage on nbc, cbs, or fox news, they feel reinforced by what the president failed to do. >> greg: getting back to this idea of exposure being in contagion, we talked about this before, whether the police don't like it when you report onau teenage suicide because things like this are contagion. when you give this sunlight, it grows. it doesn't necessarily expose it

and people go it's terrible, there are a lot of people that find it exciting, it gives them meaning. it's just like ices literature. why did isis do propaganda videos, as disgusting as they were? because it attracted a certain element of society. you can argue that the stuff is exciting to people. it's definitely exciting to watch, right? >> juan: is like when we have conversations about isis on the terrace, you know what we say? we say that we have to focus on them and get them and pay attention, in fact, president trump was a come of it call them exactly what they are. he failed this weekend in his moment. before both sides are responsib. >> juan: in this case, it was w just the terrace, jesse. >> jesse: in this case, it was two sides. >> juan: that's a false equivalence. >> jesse: both sides were fighting each other. i'm not saying that the nazis didn't start the rally, the other side brought clubs, too. >> greg: we are arguing the same point from the letter a block. we have to move into the c

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>> juan: back t now to the domestic >> juan: back, to domestic terror attack in adarlottesville. that is the trump administration referred to it today. the president took a lot of heat over the last 48 hours for the initial response to the racially motivated violence, particularly by some folks in the media. >> failing to call out clearly the neo-nazis, the white supremacist, the ku klux klan, is a major misstep. to speak of it is not only demand but anyone who point their fingers at mexican and muslims shares responsibility. >> the fact is, through that campaign, he blew all kinds of whistles, that those of us who grew up in the gym crow south,d like i did, recognized him immediately. it was just, calling out to

these white supremacists, who then felt empowered by it. >> you can make the case that saturday was the worst day of the trump presidency. >> juan: the media heard from mr. trump today and to date he quoted -- he realized once again the fake news media will never be satisfied, truly bad people. what do you think, kimberly? >> kimberly: i think he is frustrated because he knows in his heart who he is, what who stands for, and he really wanted to focus on the economy and the working men and women who he thought were left behind. he feels personally probably dismayed and hurt that people will think of this was something that he wouldn't condemn. basically, this comes down to communication and making sure that when something like this happens, and you are the president of the united states, that you and your team immediately get out there and do the right thing. i thought what he had to say

today was outstanding. it was important. people wanted to hear it. the whole quarrel is with the timing of it. >> juan: obviously, he hadli people in their harlequin party, jesse kim jesse, senator mccain, senator ben sasse, even orrin hatch, ted cruz, who said, just inadequate. >> jesse: a lot of republicans disagree to the president's handling of a situation. they can do whatan they want and the president can do what he wants.to the president will probably take a p.r. head for the short term but i'm sure he will bounce back. the media spent a year calling president trump a nazi. so, a nazi commits a murder, the media tries to maketr trump the accessory for the murder. it's just not fair. also, if you have hundreds of thousands of radical islamic terrorists that apparently have nothing to do with islam,ith according to the left, then how does one kook racist haveha anything to do with donald trump? the media begged donald trump to name names. he did, then, they said, he read

it on my teleprompter. he didn't take questions. he bragged about the economy. w he can't win matt he will be blamed for everything. he got blamed for transsexual suicide, divorce, global warming. i know people talking about donald trump, he is subhuman, he is trying to wipe off people from the face of the earth, like he is hitler. i think some kook will listen to this and do something crazy. >> juan: let's hope not. dana, when you hear them talking about the wink, nod, dog whistles -- >> dana: that is someone who grew up very differently than i did. ii think it is interesting to listen to. these young people that were there in charlottesville probably haven't had the benefit of listening to someone who grew up that way. i also think this goes back to, when ms. steve police shooting happened, he did not say, you are responsible for that to

bernie sanders. personal responsibility is something that conservatives in.eve for what your do and say or dont say. the president benefits for from something that no president has ever had except for president obama, the ability to speak on folder to americans. he can do that. he didn't have to take questions, although he would have benefited to do so. he has that ability to speak unfiltered. if he wants to show his true heart, that is that one of the ways to do it. >> juan: he didn't do it,ia greg? not over social media, not over the weekend. then, you had ivanka trump, his daughter, who said very clearly in the meanwhile over social media, racism, unacceptable. >> greg: i'm getting the sense, juan, this is a point you will be hammering over and over again for the next 17 years. the intensity of the focus of this thing is unbelievable when you compare it in the context of other things that have gone on, what other presidents have done,

i'm sorry, but we have to say that. it wasn't like this when president obama took his time responding to other things. if all you see is racism when you think donald trump, if all you think of racism when you think of republicans, when all you think of racism when you think of the people who voted for trump, yourfi confirmation bias makes your opinion pointless. >> juan: what if you don't think that? >> greg: from what i'm gathering when i'm watching the news, whenwh anna navarro says e is not human, that is irrational. there is a lot of -- there are rational responses to this, rational response might be, he could have done a better job. he should have said this, he should have said that. remember, he gets called out for calling radical islam and so now they are mad that he didn't call out white racists. >> juan:hi i think he gets called out for calling mexicans rapists and thieves. >> greg: that's an ultrasound you bring up a lot.

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>> dana: welcome back. today the man s >> dana: welcome back. the man suspected of killing how they are higher and injuring 19 others made his first court appearance and will remain in jail.l. let's bring in doug mckelway. he lived in charlottesville. he's been here and he has all the story d details. >> hi, dana. there is a growing chorus of the police did not act proactively to quell the violence in the early stages before it got out of hand. late today, the police chief of the charlottesville police department, al thomas, held a press conference, in which he vehemently denied those accusations. speak of the morning hours on saturday, the charlottesville police

wered in position and undergroud and across the street from emancipation park in order to readily observe and monitor the actions of the crowds and respond as quickly as possible when emergencies arose. >> for that reassurance is following on the deaf ears of the aclu, as we all know, they are normally allied with leftist causes, but in this case, they took thee side of the alt-right movement. they filed the seat against the cityhi to try to move this to a suburban park. the case, rather, the rally was held at emancipation park downtown. this morning, national public radio, virginia governor blasts of the aclu for contributing tov the violence by winning that court case and today, the aclu fired back at him and the police and written statement,st which read,in "the policing on saturdy was not effective in preventing violence." i was therens and brought conces to the head of police. they did not respond.

in fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seemingly waitingy for violence or take place so they would have grounds to create an emergency. of course, by declaring an emergency, they could have cleared that park out, clear them out of the protesters and they alt-right movement. in other developments today come the suspect in this case, jamesd alex fields, made his first court appearance via video for my jail. he was dressed in b a black and white stripe uniform, he answered, yes, sir, when askednd if he understood the proceedings, the public defenders office was expected to represent him because a relative of one of the public defenders was at the wreckage seen on saturday, he recused himself. he'll be represented by another attorney. a second hearing coming up on august 25th. >> dana: thank you so much. it's quite an accusation of the aclu. tucker carlson talked about what happened with the police and i guess we have to be to find out some answers. >> kimberly: i think it definitely warrants an investigation because why is it that this was allowed to escalate?e? anywhere they were dealing with. you will allow these two groups

to come in and fight. toct me, and is acting in conscious disregard of a known risk, were very likely, great bodily injury or death could occur and that's what did. so i want to hear from there governor and to say, what did you know, why did you allow this to continue and stand down? t i am shocking myself right now. the aclu has a very good point because there was violence expected and they could have shut it down. why is that the police were told, or backed off, and then, look what happened in the aftermath? it's very upsetting to me. >> dana: the suspect, greg, was not granted bail. i think that sounds right. to be when he killed one person but his intent was to kill many. the only thing that prevented that was the car in front of him, if the car hadn't been here, there probably would havea been dozens. what i find troubling about the law is how t the number of fatalities, the fewer they are,t that somehow diminishes in somebody's head, intent. by pure luck and incompetence,

that saves you. i think they should always eliminate the number of fatalities and just say, this guy wanted to kill 50 or 100 people.as he got one because he was saved by a car. that should not matter. he should be treated -- you should be dead. >> kimberly: let him out on bail to run someone else over? >> dana: we should mention, jesse, there are a couple of people who were injured that are in critical condition right now. >> jesse:: also, the two police officers who died in thee helicopter crash. this guyth is a loser.he he's a loner. he's a wannabe neo-nazi. now, he's going to be a neo-nazi in prison with his gang because he is going to be in there for a very long time. >> dana: maybe he won't bewo protected very much, juan. >> juan: one of the issues for the aclu, this park is the home of the statue of robert e lee ended previously was called lee park. we had recalled emancipation park, that is a name change. i think the aclu should have

been saying, you know what, we don't want this protest here at this site where ignition is so. i thought that was what they should have done. >> dana: some final thoughts in just a moment. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. it's a highly contagious disease that can be really serious... especially for my precious new grandchild. it's whooping cough. every family member, including those around new babies, should talk to their doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated.

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>> jesse: continuing coverage of charltsdville and the dea > jesse: back now with continuing coverage of charlottesville and the deadly

aftermath. we'll take it around the table with a final thoughts i'll begin first.in if trump had to do it again, he would name names. what is happening now is completely out of control. the smear merchants are also out of control. he is being unfairly maligned, but he would have to expect that and i understand that. third, i think the police and the mayor of charlottesville do have blood on their hands. there is dereliction of duty with what happened. there should have been a massive amount of law enforcement there, on the scene, and the minuteha blows were exchanged, they should have separated the groups instantaneously. or they have a lot of explaining to do. let's go around. greg? >> greg: big cities are really good -- we went to two conventions and no one ever saw the other side. we were so separated. there was -- big cities know how to do this and sometimes, small cities aren't that that experience. the same wayhi come on the polie officers were killed in dallas,w an amazing coming together of td the people , to pay the respect of the fallen, and announce radical violence at the same

time, and make sure that these three individuals do not die ine vain. i think we must do the same thing here, deny to announce the violence hatefulef ideas as the same way a company views and infected p product. it is something that you just have to be aware of and to stay away from and that's it. >> jesse: dana perino? >> dana: there was criticism of lots of different factions, including the media. i think it is worth pointing out that the reporter you mentioned in that letter a block, a "new york times" reporter, she worked onor saturday, she wasth there on the ground, she was the witness, she got so much heat from the left, she was tweeting out her thoughts as she's saw them, she thought the black life mattered with hate filled, she backtracked, she -- i just think we should celebrate the fact that there were journalists on the ground. >> kimberly: we denounce any kind of racism and bigotry our country is bigger than better that.

>> juan: is an important moment for republicans because i think republicans are very uptight about this issue of race. i think it's important to understand, this is not about someone condemning the republican party, but there's a part of the base that republicans need to stand up and speak against. >> jesse: heather heyer, our thoughts and prayers go out to your family. stay with us.t "the five" returns in a moment. . i totally could've - no! switching to allstate is worth it.

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injured a speedy recovery. we want to thank you for joining us tonight. continuing coverage and analysis of the attack on hannity up next. this. >> sean: many thanks to all her friends on speed 27, welcome to "hannity." fox news alert. the president condemning yet again in the strongest possible terms the events in charlottesville, virginia. the violence and the mayhem. also tonight we will analyze the horrific politicizing of these events, that's tonight's very important breaking news opening monologue. ♪ >> sean: what we saw take place in charlottesville, virginia, over the weekend, it is disgusting, it is despicable. and it's really hard to imagine this day and age that there are actually people out there that could do this to their fellow human beings. it's hard to imagine that there are people in this country that have these