crowds by the weighed at a few protesters outside of trump tower in new york. the five will be taking that up. up next, we will see you tomorrow. have a great night. ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: hello, everyone, welcome to the five, i'm kimberly guilfoyle. tonight brand new developments on the domestically attack on charlottesville. bloody white supremacist protest extremely difficult weekend for virginia and for our nation. today, president trump once again condemned the violence, this time directly addressing the racist hate groups responsible by name. >> to anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's violence. you will be held accountable. justice will be delivered. racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo nazis, wheat

supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. as a candidate, i promised to restore law and order to our country and our federal law enforcement agencies are following through on that pledge. we will defend and protect the sacred rights of all americans. >> kimberly: attorney general jeff sessions is saying the justice department is taking vigorous action against racism and bigotry after opening civil rights investigation. justice will be done. would are coming after these people. it cannot be tolerated in america. we go after it directly morally, legally, politically, legitimately in any way possible to reject this kind of ideology that causes division. it does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our

statute. >> kimberly: today the man accused of killing heather heyer into a crowd of peaceful protesters denied bail in first court appearance. nor details on that letter. any moment president trump is expected to arrive at trump tower in new york city. and this will be his first day since his inauguration. there are crowds of protesters outside. would will be keeping a close eye on any of that and bring you any developments. dana, let's turn the discussion to the protests, the death that occurred this weekend. kind of take us through it in terms of the messaging, the communications the president's initial statement. sort of the outcry after and then the follow up with today. >> dana: good summary of all the things that have happened. i think the president's statement today was well written, well delivered. >> kimberly: um-huh. >> dana: i think it was really late. i think what happened saturday when he -- i think i can understand the caution of not knowing who it specifically had committed the murder. i wouldn't have tweeted best regards. i also would not have waited the two days to answer more

questions about it. for example, today when he gave a statement. he had said on friday that he was going to give a press conference on monday. per reason pr rule never announce a press conference because you don't know what the questions are going to be in the news of the day. he would have benefited today from taking questions at that moment. he is from u frustrated now thae feels like his that his sincerity is being questioned. wasn't good enough for the media. basically looks like it wasn't sincere he was doing it to make sure that the media was nullified. i think if he had spoken from the heart without the teleprompter and questions from reporters he would have done himself real service. when he took questions on the plane last week 10 to 20 manipulates. obviously nobody speaks as well for him as he did himself. for the 48 hours i think that was unfortunate but then moving on, how do you move forward with it? the protests are going to happen. they are also continuing. there is also some sad things that are happening.

just about an hour ago some leftists pulled down the robert e. lee statue in durham, north carolina. more violence is expected. greg will talk about it in the b block. i don't think this is necessarily going to get better initially. i have think we are in for some tough nights ahead maybe even days. schools are all coming back. the danger of not having clear moral authority is a problem for the country. the nation turns their eyes to the president for certain reasons in certain events and saturday was one of them. >> kimberly: all right. greg, obviously attorney general jeff sessions taking this moment to specifically identify this as an act of domestic terrorism. and, of course, this also coming in conjunction with the president's, you know, renewed statement that he issued regarding condemning this violence. >> gregg: yeah. i think that's the correct position to take. however, i'm aware that

nothing that donald trump says will ever be enough. let's face it. the people who hate him hate him. there is nothing he can say. he might have made unforced error. there is nothing he can do to please the people. we saw how angry people were more angry about his response than they were about the actual act. i saw it i read it i saw the rage. does his statement, any statement effect the outcome from saturday? not to those people. what i find interesting is we spent so much time on north korea, obsessing on north korea wondering what was going to happen this weekend. i have finally realized the solution to north korea is to just ignore and it forget about it that's exactly what we did. we took an event in charlottesville and completely erased this international threat. this existential threat that we have been talking about nonstop for weeks. that just went away. and it's still there but we

don't talk about it we are not going to talk about it tonight. every side has bad people. some have more bad people than other. on the right skin heads and more power freaks. right black militants shoot a cop. protesters nails into trees so loggers get crippled. have you westboro and nats sis in skokie. this stuff has been around. the racist right is learning from the fascist left who have eliminated debate. that's why this happened. they are all dirt bags. the right wing nazis, the violent anarchists. there was an article in the "the washington post" two days before this happened. and i hope we have it here. it was written by somebody named perry stein. i don't know if you have a picture of this never. but this is an interesting. do you have it? check out the headline what

draws americans to an arcky. more than smashing windows. they do anarchy with a lifestyle choice with a guy holding a baseball bat. what the media is telling you right there right now is that some violence is more acceptable than others. so if you are going to call out the thugs, call out the thugs everywhere. >> kimberly: i want to get your perception. what you have written about and studied american history, civil rights, et cetera. what did you think about the way this went down chronology of convenience. the president's statement and then what has happened today. >> the hisks call view is so painful because it's almost like we are back in the 1860s and right back before the era let's say of the civil rights act. but even if you stop to think about it. so anger that you saw after the brown decision in 1954. you think what is going on. where is this massive resistance coming from? what is this about? i don't think it's fair to

say it represents most people of any stripe. i think it is important to say from the president's presidential point of view picking up on something dana is talking about, which is moral authority. i think back to people like president eisenhower making it very clear that we are not going to have people stand in the way of children going to school tore president kennedy who had many supporters in the democratic ranks in the south at that time. being very clear that we stand against people being denied equal rights in this country i think of president george h.w. bush saying much the same thing. i think of john mccain. john mccain in the midst of his contest with barack obama saying to a woman who stood up and said some nasty things about obama. i'm sorry, ma'am, that's not what we are doing here. we have policy differences but he is a good family man. >> kimberly: i remember that good point. >> juan: all of a sudden, donald trump who is so quick of whit found himself bailing and could not speak honestly in from the heart at a critical moment when

americsought moral leadership. today you had a black member of his business council, a man who is the president of murk withdraw from the council because he could not abide by the president's failure to speak clearly on a moral issue. what happened? donald trump didn't have to wait this time. he shot right back and started attacking guy and merck for high drug prices. it seems to me even with the statement today which is fine that it struck me as if someone had told him to give up mcdonald's. he said oh, gosh, do i have to? okay. he makes a statement. he reads from the prompter which he is always saying is a silly thing to do and he runs out of the room before he can answer any questions it's really upsetting to me. it ultimately invites more racial division in our country at a point you think gosh we are beyond this. >> invites more racial division i'm sorry, jesse, is when you say this is part of a greater.

these are all white people. this is a white -- which is what is happening on twitter and a lot of media people are doing. sorry. >> jesse: i want to be clear. the trump is not the killer. the racist villain is the killer. had trump named names, would the media have not created a firestorm? yes. would trump not named names would his enemies still hated him? yes. if trump had named names, would the media still have linked him to the violence? yes. because they were linking him to the violence before he even said anything. just because he didn't name names doesn't make him a racist. it opens up the door for people to unfairly smear him as a racist. let's look at the facts about the whole many sides debate. had you both sides coming into the town armed to the teeth with clubs, with shields, with mace. the anti antifa people. the white supremacists and the nazis wanted to rumble.

the whites were the ones that started this racist rally and it was a white racist that committed this murder, allegedly. the "new york times" said and she was on the ground, the reporter, the hard left seemed as hate-filled as the alt right. i saw club wielding, anti few beating white nationalists. the aclu of virginia not sure who provoked first, both sides were hitting at each other. and then one of the four people who were arrested was a left wing radical who punched a reporter in the face, female reporter. we can armchair president trump's response all we want, but there is a lot of hypocrisy going on here. hillary clinton waited two weeks after benghazi to call that terrorism. if trump had blamed k45r89sville on a video, maybe he would have gotten a free pass. president obama waited four days during ferguson while that city burned. he was in martha's vineyard, having dinner to come out. when he came out, he came out then, he blamed both sides, the looters and the police. when black lives matter

activists executed nypd people, and shot cops cold dead in the streets in dallas, with did the president do black lives matter. when he did speak about it, he said it's hard to untangle the motivations of the shooter. we don't want to assign blame from one kook to a larger national movement. obama called terrorism workplace violence. it's hard to be lectured about word games from the left. the scalise shooter, this guy a bernie sanders volunteer targeted republican congressman with the weapon no one blamed bernie sanders for that they want to lay this death at the doorstep of donald trump? it's disgraceful. same people mad at president trump for saying radical islam now all of a sudden want to say white supremacy? it's totally ridiculous. >> jesse: you have got to make a distinction here between people who came and had torches in the night and

started this thing. >> jesse: i say they are the ones that instigated the rally. >> juan: no. >> jesse: you can say no and they came to rumble, juan. the police did nothing. the police stood down. who knows if the police told them to stand down. any other city you would have seen the police get out there and separate and divide people. the aclu says that they stood by and watched this unfold. >> juan: i can't abide by that. that's not relates. >> kimberly: there is a couple of things that went wrong here, number one, yeah, they should have shut it down and better prepared to make sure so that it didn't escalate to any kind of violence. if they knew they were going to have this protest, they should have made sure there is reports from reporters on the field that they didn't shut it down. it should have been shut down. it's unacceptable and there has been loss of life here. number two, the criticism is about the communications of the president. because we sit here at this table and we criticize president obama and past presidents if they weren't on message and if they did not denounce or come out and make a statement in time. and that's the criticism

here is that where was the president's messaging? the communications and that there was a delay in it. not that he is personally responsible for it. because people look to a president for guidance and for that kind of moral leadership to hear what the president has to say because the words do matter. we sat here and said that about president obama. when has been delay of game to be fair. >> jesse: to be fair. perhaps greg is right. unforced error. i'm not in the president's head thank god. perhaps the president is saying we don't have all the facts like dana said. let's take a big picture approach. both sides are rumbling. i don't know hot driver was before i make a statement. i don't think i was going to let the left wing violence off the hook. who knows what is going to happen. >> >> kimberly: obviously the president does not support people who are white supremacists and nationalists. >> jesse: naturally and that's why he condemned everyone. >> kimberly: everyone who knows him knows is he against this.

>> gregg: the difference what happened last week and antifa berkeley, somebody died. that's whatted that i this different. the media is tearing apart this event because three people actually died. there were violent events, something like 30 or 35 violent events in 2009 which were radical antifa protesters at standing rock. happened hat ferguson and baltimore. this is different. because it was -- this horrible act that makes it seem that it was entirely worse when, in fact, if you kept score of this, which is what people are doing, it's bad all around. and to sit here and just pretend that this thing is some kind of like right wing thing, this is an extremist thing. extremist thing. >> juan: it's not. >> it is. you don't remember the guy who killed five cops? >> juan: hang on a second. that wasn't black lives

matter. >> kimberly: we just received word from the associated press that president trump has indeed arrived at trump tower. there hasn't been a sighting of him. he may be there already. we will let you know if we get any other information. go ahead, juan. >> juan: this is not a policy difference. this is not me saying i believe in climate change. greg saying i don't think it is. this is matter of contention. this is a matter of somebody the alt right, the nazis, remember america battling nazis. >> don't talk down to me, juan. i know who the nazis are. >> juan: it seems to me, greg, you can't say that a policy difference or a left versus right is equal of people who have targeted people. and direct relation to race given its history in this country and saying we are coming together with our torches in the night to stand up for the confederacy for the alt right for rober robert. >> i say disavow all the dirt bags. i don't know where the

problem is with that. >> juan: despicable and people stand against them and all of a sudden someone take as car and runs them over, you would think the president of the united states would say that is unacceptable. >> jesse: he did say it was unacceptable. >> juan: no. he didn't say it until today. he didn't say it saturday. >> jesse: he said it on twitter on saturday and press conference on saturday. >> dana: i don't think it's fair or i shouldn't say -- i don't think that it's right to just compare to past presidents because that should not be our bar. it's like a moral thing and human thing and can you judge each president on its own. i also think that the president needs to understand he would not pay a political price at all for calling out the alt right. these are people who are unfairly seeking safe harbor under his wing. and if the president didn't want to do it to protect himself, what about the party that he says that he wants to grow? because now every republican has to say well, i'm not alt right. the alt right doesn't even believe in the constitution of the united states. these are people who have

through sites like breitbart for the past two years come after people. if you have not been the target of some of the vile things that these people did with all their pep pay frog. i rememberly to email greg what are they even talking about? i don't know what it was. i thought nazis were something we dealt with in the past. i knew little groups here and there and america had a handle on it i think the president needs to understand these people are trying to unfairly find safe harbor under his wing and he should absolutely come out and say i disavow it completely. you can call them out by name richard spencer, david duke, whoever it is, he would actually benefit. i do think he would have gotten that if he would have done it on saturday. and i think he should get credit if he does it now. >> kimberly: he did do a good job when he came out with a statement today, in fact. all right. excellent discussion. much more to come on the terror. some in the media are blaming president trump for the violence. greg thinks news networks greg thinks news networks should be

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attention. a death support fought in the coliseum of modern media. two sides egged on for team sport. bread and circuses some make their daily bread off the circus. had we all forgotten this it would have been forgotten forgotten fast. imagine no cameras, no commentary no anti-if a, the rally would have been a bunch of badly dressed guys handing out leaflets over by noon. the camera is miracle grow for mayhem. they need shunning as well as their violent counter pars. but they won't be as long as the media races to capture the action. then virtue signal themselves to death afterwards. it's the newest reality show. a gruesome american gladiators, political bug bites. we must state clearly this something bigger. it isn't who we are today or

microcosm of america. it's a diseased symptom of the large err body politics one in which words are censored and violence excused. sick aberration fertilized by attention, the temperature would drop and we could be rid of it but sadly the media loves to say this represents a greater whole, which stews more rage. meanwhile americans just hope north korea doesn't bomb us. it's true. nothing good ever comes from an angry mob. and that includes the media. you know, kimberly, when i was watching the coverage, i was screaming at the tv not simply about the how intensity of the coverage wall-to-wall. negatively impacts everything. when you are watching something. i this scene here 100 times. even when there was a lull. there would be a lull that would come on for minutes and show it over and over and over again until something else happened. it was like how does that not have an impact? >> kimberly: right, basically saying they put it

on a loop because it's basically good for television and it also helps to kind of create a false narrative because you think that's going on at a consistent pace the whole time and then they wait for something else to throw it in. i mean, i think we have been pretty consistent in terms of talking about this, the role and impact media has in the way that it relays and covers the news. >> gregg: exactly. >> kimberly: whether it becomes part of the news itself. this is part of horrific event that occurred. i said about it on a lot of levels, about the racism, i feel we have come so much further as a country than this sick evil people that are so intolerant it's disgusting. and then also the way that we should learn better from past incidents about how to police this. we all play a role in terms of how we talk about it, how we discuss it, and how the lens feeds it out to the public. >> gregg: there are live feeds of protests outside of trump tower. they are not there to

capture peace. >> dana: that's what journalism is you don't go and cover all the planes that land safely at the airport. >> gregg: exactly. yeah. >> dana: evil people over there doing this and counter protesters there trying to stop them and then the additional ones. they actually don't need the traditional media. you are watching traditional media. my parents are watching traditional media. these people are not. the cameras they care about is on their phone. this is not being seen through a media filter. it's older people that are watching us. these people are never seen a nightly newscast since they were 5 years old and had to spend a week at their grandparent's house. the media to blame is the social media. they are not actually worried about cnn. >> gregg: that proves the point that this is about specspectacle and attention. when you look at the video, the people who aren't fighting are the people filming it, jesse. everybody halls a camera and they are doing it because they are capturing it for their own blog or so they can post it to them, it's

all about give me, give me more. i need more excitement. >> kimberly: soaking it up. >> jesse: there is more bloggers and videographers than there were protesters. i think 200 or 300 racists showed up to this rally in a country of 300 million. it doesn't make it a racist nation. let's keep it into perspective. they don't represent the society. the media benefits because it's the only visual proof they can say they can point to and say this is racism. then they use the racism to hurt the republican party. they use it as a well against republicans because some black people vote for democrats and they want to make the other party look inhospitality. meanwhile, over the weekend in chicago, there were 39 shootings. there were nine deaths in chicago. did the media care? no. i think a month ago in minnesota, black lives rally march, 21 police officers

were injured and 1 had a fractured spinal cord. didn't hear a lot about that. kate steinle was murdered by an illegal alien felon who was deported five times, the media yawned. neo nazi mows down an innocent woman and the world goes wall-to-wall. identity politics that steer this kind of coverage and a lot of times it's designed to lay the blame on the foot of the president. guyou are award winning author. music, you felt strongly that the music was harmful. ice tea, body count all that stuff. do you believe that the media somehow contributes to this kind of event by focusing, inviting it more. by when people see a camera, they act differently? yuan up with differently. >> juan: sure, we all do. my question to you would be shouldn't we, given the historical back drop, pay

attention to the fringe. when the fringe is hateful and dangerous and spiteful let's not pay attention. let's pretend they are not there. cameras stay away and journalists don't tell that story because it's an ugly story and really doesn't represent who i am and who we are as an american people. if you do that greg, you run the risk of the fringe splegd a message. just like we were talking about president trump's statement earlier. well, guess what, you know, places like the daily storm are on their own media. they are praising it. that was a great thing. he didn't call us out. he didn't call us any names. they feel reinforced not by the coverage on nbc, cbs, or fox news, they feel reinforced by what the president failed to do. >> getting ba back to this idea of exposure being a contagion. we talked about this before whether the police don't like it whether you report on teenage suicides because things like this are a contagion. when you give this sunlight, it grows, it doesn't

necessarily expose and people say it's terrible. exciting. give them meeting. liketliketh isis literature. it attracted a certain element of society. you can argue that this stuff is exciting to people. it's definitely exciting to watch. right? >> just like when we have conversations about isis and the terrorists. you know what we say we have got to focus on them and pay tension what president trump would say he failed this weekend in his moment. >> jesse: both sides aren't a sunday cybil it was just the tastes. >> juan: no in this case. >> jesse: false eequivalence. poet sides are fighting each other. i'm not saying the nazis didn't start the rally and didn't bring clubs. the other side brought clubs too, juan. >> gregg: we were arguing

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empowered by it. >> you can make the case that saturday was the worst day of the trump presidency. >> juan: the media heard from mr. trump today and tonight he tweeted, quote: made additional remarks on charlottesville and realized once again that the fake news media will never be satisfied, truly bad people, end quote. what do you think, kimberly? >> kimberly: look, i think he is frustrated because he knows in his heart who he is. what he stands for, and how he really wanted to focus on the economy and the working men and women across this country who he felt were left behind. >> he feels personally probably dismayed. and hurt that people would think that this was something that was, you know, in his heart or that he wouldn't condemn. basically this just comes down to communication and making sure that when something like this happens, and you are the president of the united states, that you and your team immediately get out there and do the right thing. i thought what he had to say today was outstanding and important and people wanted

to hear that. the whole quarrel is with the timing of it. >> juan: obviously you had people in the republican party, jesse, senator mccain, senator sasse, jeff flake. even orrin hatch tim gardner. ted cruz what he said saturday inadequate. >> jesse: president's handling of the situation they can do what they want. the president can do what he wants. the president is going to take a pr hit for the short-term with this but i'm sure he will bounce back. the media spent a year calling president trump a nazi. so then a nazi commits a murder. the media tries to make trump the accessory for the murder. it's just not fair. also, if you have unhundreds of thousands of radical islamic terrorists, that apparently have nothing to do with this islam, according to the left, then how does one kook racists have anything to do with donald trump? the media begged donald trump to name names. he did. and then they said oh, he read it off a teleprompter.

oh, he didn't take questions. oh, he bragged about the economy. in way he can't win. he will be blamed for everything. he gets blamed for transsexual suicide. gets blamed for people getting divorced and gets blamed for global warming. i hear people talk about donald trump like is he subhuman, like he is trying to wipe off people from the face of the earth. like he is hitler. i fear some kook is going to listen to this and do something crazy. >> juan: let's hope not. dana, when you hear cokie roberts wink, nods, dog whistles to a southern audience. >> dana: this is what i took from her to listen to somebody who grew up very differently from how i did, i think that's interesting to listen to. and these young people that were there in charlottesville probably haven't had the benefit of listening to somebody who grew up that way. i also think this goes back to a little bit like when this scalise shooting happened, president trump didn't say okay, bernie sanders, or the left like you are responsible for that. that's inappropriate. personal responsibility is something conservatives

believe in. so that's personal responsibility for what you do and for what you say or you don't say. the president benefits from something no other president has had except for president obama. and that is the ability to speak unfiltered, to americans. and so he can do that. he didn't have to take questions today. although i think he would have benefited from doing so. he said he is going to have a press conference on friday. should have done it he has that ability to speak unfiltered. if he wants to show his true heart, that's one of the ways to do that. >> juan: he didn't do that did he, greg, not on social media, not over the weekend. he didn't speak on the issue until today. then you had ivanka trump his daughter who said very clearly racism unacceptable. >> greg: i'm getting a point, juan this is a point you will be hammering over and over again for the next 7 years. unbelievable when you compare it in the context of other things that have gone on and what other presidents have done, i'm sorry, but we have to say that it wasn't

like this when president obama took his time responding to other things. look, if all you see is racism. when you think of donald trump. if all you think is racism when you think of republicans, when you all you think is racism when you think of the people who voted for trump. your confirmation bias makes your opinion pointless. that's the way you see it. >> juan: what if you don't think that? >> from what i'm gathering when i'm watching the news when anna navarro says he is not human, that's like irrational. there is a lot of irrational -- there are rational responses to this. rational response might be he could have done a better job. he -- you know, maybe he should have said this. he should have said that but, remember, he gets called out for calling, you know, radical islam and so now they are mad he didn't call out white racism. >> juan: i think he gets called out for calling mexicans and racists and chivas. muslims. >> greg: that's an old chess match.

sloppy explanation and go back and explain it to you and takes up another five minutes. onon we don't want to confound you. gutted gut you are not, believe me, juan. >> juan: james alex field jr., he made his first court appearance today. find out what happened straight ahead.

>> dana: welcome back. today the man suspected of killing heather heyer and injuring 19 others was in court today. let's bring in doug mckelway with all the storied details. >> there is a growing chorus of voices here that the police did not act proactively to quell the via balance in the early stages before it got out of hand. lay of the today the police chief of the charlottesville police department al-thomas held a press conference in which he vehemently denied those allegations. >> early morning hours on saturday police were positioned in and around and across the street from

emancipation park in order to readily observe and monitor the reactions of the crowd and respond as quickly as possible when emergencies arose. >> but that reassurance is falling on the deaf ears of the aclu. as we know they are normally aligned with leftist causes in this case they took the side of the alt right movement. they filed suit against the city's decision to try to move this protest out to a suburban park. they won that case so the case, rather the rally was held at emancipation park downtown. this morning, on "national public radio," virginia governor mcauliff blasted the aclu for in effect contributing to the violence by winning that court case and today the aclu fired back at mcauliff and the police in a written statement which read, quote: the policing on saturday was not effective in preventing violence. i was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the virginia state police. they did not respond. in fact, law enforcement was standing passively by. seeming to be waiting for

violence to take place so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency. of course, dana by declaring an emergency they could have cleared that park out which is precisely what they did cleared out of protesters and the alt right movement. in other developments today the suspect in this case james alex fields made his first court appearance via video from a jail. he was dressed in a black and white striped uniform. >> he answered yes, sir when asked if he understood the proceedings. the public defender's office was expected to represent him. because a relative of one of the public defenders was at the wreckage seen on saturday, they recused himself. he will be represented by another attorney, a second hearing coming up on august 25th. back to you in new york. >> dana: all right. doug, thank you so much. that's quite an accusation from the aclu. but tucker carlson on his show talking about what happened with the police. i guess we have to wait to find out some answers? >> kimberly: absolutely. it definitely warrants an investigation. because why is it that this was allowed to escalate? they knew what they were dealing with allow these two groups to come in to fight.

to me, it's acting in conscious disregard of a known risk where great bodily injury or death could occur. that's what they did. i want to hear from the governor there mcauliff what did you know? why did you allow this to continue and stand down. i mean, shocking myself right now, burr the aclu i think has a very good point because there was violence expected and they could have shut it down. why is it that the police were told to, i guess, it looks like told or backed off and then look what happened in the aftermath. it's very upsetting to me. >> dana: the suspect, greg, did not -- was not granted bail. i think that sounds right. >> greg: yeah, he killed one person but his intent was to kill many more. the only thing that prevented that was the car in front of him. if the car had not been there, there probably would have been dozens. what i find troubling about the law is the number of fatalities, the fewer they are somehow diminishes intent. by pure luck incompetence

that saved you. they should also eliminate the number of fatalities just this guy wanted to kill 50 or 100 people. he got one because he was saved by a car. that should not matter. he should be treated as though -- well, he should be dead. >> kimberly: let him out on bail to run somebody else over? >> dana: we should mention, jessie, there are a couple people who were injured who are in critical condition right now. >> that's right. also the two police officers who died in the hospital crash. this guy is a looser. he is a wanna be neo nazi with his gang. he will be in there a very long time. continue deign maybe he won't be protected very much. this park is the home of the statue of robert e. lee. it was previously called lee park when you hear emancipation. that's a name change.

the aclu should have been saying we don't want this protest here at this site where ignition is so quick. i thought that's why they should hav who are these people?

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>> jesse: continuing coverage of charltsdville and the deadly aftermath. we are going to take it around the table with some final thoughts. i will just begin first.

first, trump probably. if he had to do it again, probably would do a do-over and name names because what's happening now is completely out of control. the smear merchants are also out of control. is he being unfairly maligned but you would have to expect that and i understand that. then, third, i think the police and mayor of charlottesville do have blood on their hands. there is dereliction of duty with what happened. there should have been a massive amount of law enforcement there on the scene and the minute blows were exchanged they should have come in and separated the groups instantaneously and they have a lot of explaining to do. let's go around, greg. >> big cities are two conventions and no one ever saw the other side. we were so separated. >> kimberly: remember that? >> greg: big cities know how to do this small cities are unexperienced. five police officers were killed in dallas. you saw amazing coming together of the police force and the people to pay respect to the fallen and denounce radical violence at the same time. and it-to-make sure that

these three individuals do not die in vain we must do the same thing here. denounce the violence, come together, treat hateful ideas at same way a company views an infected product. it's just something that you have to be aware of and just say away from and that's it. >> jesse: dana perino? >> dana: obviously there is criticism of lots of different factions here, including the media. it's worth pointing out that cheryl is the reporter you mentioned in the a block. she is a "new york times" reporter. she actually worked on saturday. she was there on the ground. she was eyes and ears. she wassance with she got so much thoughts from the left. she tweeted out. the left got mad at her she said the black lives matter group was hate-filled. we should celebrate the fact that there were journalists on the ground and willing to tell the story to us. >> kimberly: obviously we denounce racism and bigotry. our country is bigger and better than that let's come together.

>> jesse: close it out, juan. >> juan: very important for republicans very uptight about this issue of race. have to understand this is not someone condemning the republican party. there is a part of the base that the republicans need to stand up and speak against. >> jesse: that's right. heather heyer our thoughts and prayers you won't see these folks at the post office. they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again.

>> welcome back to "the five." we want to send our condolences to the vet until my families of the victims killed in charlottesville. we wish all of those who were

injured a very speedy recovery. want to thank thank you for joining us here tonight. continuing coverage and analysis on the attack on "hannity" after >> the president naming names as the following from a violent weekend in virginia continues tonight. this is "special report" ." good evening. i am bill hemmer in for bret baier. president trump calling out the kkk and neo-nazis by name in his latest reaction to the violence after white nationalists rally on saturday. one person killed when a car driven into a crowd and two state troopers died in a crash of helicopter. we have team talks coverage. doug mckelway live in charlottesville where the suspect remains in custody. we begin with kevin corke at the